um, I have'nt heard that one but it sounds like really specific and not the sort of generic line that could apply to just about every situation imaginable ;-)
I've just thought, taking a leaf from Nostradamus' book, why don't we invent some vague prophesies that could be applied to just about everything and see what happens!
A famous case of this happened recently with some fake WTC attack prophesies, alleged to have been by Nostradamus but were in fact made up... the speed in which they spread round the net was amazing, and you will still get people quoting them as if genuine..
BTW it was'nt me who started them!
Anyway, as to your point, I never heard of the 'bush prophecy' but it sounds pretty lame in any case!
Regards,
Douglas
Regards,
Douglas
I also heard that prophecy. It could just as easily been Al Gore as he too, was the son of a governmental leader and believed, and perhaps may still, that it was his destiny to be President someday.
As for WWIII, perhaps so many people have bought into that reality that we have actually been creating it, out of fear of it. It seems the more people anticipate it, and focus on it as a concept - as a predestined event, the more it becomes one.
It may be that we have been seeing the beginning of it for quite some time. If one believes that thoughts create reality, then perhaps some people can create a better one than another, awful world war.
I have not been able to create a reality I want in my own life, as I have not mastered my own thoughts - I do, however, see the connection
between thoughts and reality.
OOps... I am totally off the subject, again.
Anyway, Bush or Gore, I think we would be in the same circumstances as we are in now. Both had powerful fathers.
I dont believe for a second anyone but bush would have put us where we are right now. It was very personal for him.. Saddam tried to kill his father as he put it once.
Gandalf I dont believe in prophesies either but it was out of curiousity I was wondering if anyone heard it.
Al Gore has spoken on the issue and he's very clear Saddamm and Bin Laden are not the same people and they're not even "brothers" in anyway. Be it ideals or anything else..
So i Dont think we would be in this position. But i also dont think there's much point in what ifs.. especially since theres's absolutely no way to say. "well if this had happened" its just speculation and often times not very well thought out. Cant change the past
Go to www.onion.com and look in their political archives. There is an article entitled Bush:"Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Finally Over." I read this article before Bush was inaugurated<(no idea how to spell that).
Pretty Creep
-Yahwenah
I've read where the prophecies are usually what may happen not necessarily what will. So, hopefully we haven't seen the start of WWIII.
Peace
check out that onoin site or whatever. You know what? I odn't know about the rest of you here, but since I am of a free people, I will use that freedom. I CANNOT STAND people in the USA that undermine the very country they live in. Put down the leadership, say we are just causing probllems for the rest of the world, "no war" not supporting the people overseas that are RISKING THEIR LIVES to try to help people, and yet still, people put the US and its people down, and I don't care if other countries do, that is fine, cause they have the right to do that...personally I think the leadership of france and russia is crazy, but as far as MY countries OWN CITIZENS.....STOP BEING AGAINST YOUR OWN COUNTRY!
Ok I'm done ranting....sorry i just got fed up with it....
please no flaming me personally, asI did not flame anyone here. Believe what you will and say what you will.....but i just had to get that out
cheers!
it's not your fault that you have atroucius foreign policy i guess.
no wonder most of the world hate america. they are the "bullys of the world". its not your fault. the elite capitalists rule the country and tell bush what to do, so it would have been no different if gore was in power anyway.
and just becuase i don't want this war, it doesn't mean for one second that i don't support the troops. they are just doing their job, being told what to do by a greedy, power-frenzied administration. it's the opposite in fact - people's LIVES mean so much that we want them home now. now if that isn't support.......
peace,
b.
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Originally posted by Jenadots
It seems the more people anticipate it, and focus on it as a concept - as a predestined event, the more it becomes one.
It may be that we have been seeing the beginning of it for quite some time. If one believes that thoughts create reality, then perhaps some people can create a better one than another, awful world war.
Its all that "planetary pshyche" notions. Yung country.
Makes sense....[:O][:O][:O][:O][:O]
Suddenly we are not allowed to disagree with the
leadership of our own country? Not agreeing with
the war or Bush does not make one against one's own
country. Bush did a good job making some people
believe that you have to agree with him or
be anti-american. We helped Train Bin Laden. Don't
forget that. We are a great country but we've
also made mistakes.
we live in America where we can agree with our
leader or not. It's called freedom. [:O]
When Bush was first elected as president one of my neighbors told me of the 'prophecy' a few people were kinda siting. Which was something like (paraphrased) 'the son of a leader will come into power.' and that will be the start of WWIII.
Have any of you read this prophecy or heard of it? I think it was nostradamus but not sure.. if anyone can Give the exact quote I'd appreciate it.
At Drosnin's book ("The Hidden Bible Code"), he points on the fact that WWIII will start at 2006 after terrorist actions at Israel.
It will occurs when Bush will be president. That's say, he will win the tomorow (11-02-04) presidential selections.
ASLEGNAT
You know what I believe? I believe that the American public realizes what you are saying and will vote for John Kerry tomorrow out of fear of said war. But what they will get with their supposed savior is destruction. Democrats have been well known for their Federalist-pseudo-socialist policies have they not? Peak oil is happening RIGHT NOW, so I wouldn't be surprised if civil unrest sparked after the elections or during the inauguration of Kerry. Kerry tries to subdue, it only gets worse over time.
Mind you, I am predicting, that John Kerry will win without a doubt, I have done so months earlier. If John Kerry wins tomorrow I would be afraid. As discussed in other topics, we know they are both candidates that belong to a specific organization, Skull and Bones. And, at the very beginning of the two parties, they started out as one Republican party that burst into two. One party control under a two-party disguise? I fear as much.
My prophecy and divinations are based on existing trends. I can just see it happening miles ahead, its all there. By the way, Israel has said it will pull out. If and when it does, it will be met by an angry attacking arab public and Israel will become defensive. Arabs don't like Jews, the next ten years are not going to be pleasant for the human race.
Ah well... bush is back!
Anyone care to predict the possible directions for the human race over the next few years...?
*rolls eyes*
I had a powerful feeling that the winner of the elections will be responsible for something terrible and horrific later on. However I also believed that the said person would be Kerry, usually my 'feelings' are very accurate however since I was wrong about Kerry... maybe... I guess I could be wrong about the prophesy that the president would do something so terrible.
I felt it very powerfully however, I still sort of believe I was right somehow. Maybe it was symbolic or something? :?
The Founder
Im predicting a WWIII or possible Civil War within the next 5 years ago.
I think its inevitable. Even if Kerry was elected, we are just in to deep of a hole.
here is some interesting reading about bush and prophecies.
http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm
ROFL....good god I seriously hope you people are kidding :D . That is the biggest load of bull-excrement I have EVER seen.
The things that Bush is doing in the middle-east is worthy of praise. The momeny he slips up I'd be happy to voice my opinion aginst him, but seriously guys LOL. Whoever runs that website has waaaay too much time on his hands.
love the country, not the management.
leaders are temporary- the country has a much longer life.
Oh yeah, worthy of praise. Hah.
I would like to second your opinion on that. I lean towards the belief that we ultimately create our reality. If enough people want something to happen, it will. Isn't the physical a mere projection of the mental after all? ie: What is above (mental) is also below (physical)
Quote from: JenadotsI also heard that prophecy. It could just as easily been Al Gore as he too, was the son of a governmental leader and believed, and perhaps may still, that it was his destiny to be President someday.
As for WWIII, perhaps so many people have bought into that reality that we have actually been creating it, out of fear of it. It seems the more people anticipate it, and focus on it as a concept - as a predestined event, the more it becomes one.
It may be that we have been seeing the beginning of it for quite some time. If one believes that thoughts create reality, then perhaps some people can create a better one than another, awful world war.
I have not been able to create a reality I want in my own life, as I have not mastered my own thoughts - I do, however, see the connection
between thoughts and reality.
OOps... I am totally off the subject, again.
Anyway, Bush or Gore, I think we would be in the same circumstances as we are in now. Both had powerful fathers.
How about if there are certain parties who's wish is to manipulate people into that fear in order to bring about that scenario to further their ends?
Adam, Still our choice as to what we will buy into and make into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Seems right now there is a lot of speculation that the next world war will have China invading the USA via Alaska, Canada and Mexico. Basis for it is just about nothing. In its 5000 year long continuous history, China has usually been invaded rather than invading other countries.
Of course that can change, but historically, there is great resistance to that kind of thing amongst the Chinese people.
Lets not create a WWIII out of fear and anxiety and expectations of one. That does seem to be the trend. So many assume that whatever prophecies they are believing are unchangeable and cannot be altered or mitigated. Not so.
Most of us are not in positions of power to direct world events. However, we can control our responses to them, and collectively, create new paths for those events to follow.
Of course, there will be wars and rumors of wars. When haven't there been? It is part of the human condition. So are natural disasters, diseases, and just plain bad luck.
I had hoped that after the year 2000, the frantic end of the world from whatever and whomever, would lessen. But it seems I will have to wait until 2013 for that sun to come up and shed some light on all the worrisome prophecies we hear. If they were all true, we would be wise just to put our heads into the oven and breathe deeply as they are so awful, who would want to survive them?
Some things are true, and it doesn't take a prophet or a genius to predict them. The USA cannot keep spending itself into multi-trillion dollar debts and prosper so economic hard times seem likely in the near future.
Other things are that there will be natural disasters because there have always been natural disasters. It is what nature does from time to time.
We have some real problems in our world. One can take them to the extreme and come up with some pretty horrendous predictions as to where they will lead. Or one can imagine some solutions to lessen those problems, if not entirely solve them.
But I think that what we beleive will happen is how we create what actually does.
Perhaps all the turmoil in our world right now is simply a reflection of the inner turmoil of humanity - some desperately trying to hang on to the past and others desperately trying to find a better future.
I don't know about these ones, but I found a neat one...
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
:)
Love the bit showing him giving the 'satan worshipper' sign. Fantastic!!
I love the internet sometimes. We would never hear/see anything about this in the mass media eh... :D
I too have a prediction that things are only going to get worse with Bush. I don't know if he starts it but there is going to be more war and a possible revolution/uprise in the US. People are tired of the way things are and I think soon that people will finally wake up out of the brainwash of the multi-billion dollar, lets rape you for every thing you got industry. As for how soon this all happens, I don't know just a gut feeling and I am usually right. However I do know things are only going to get worse for a while. Not good times to live in.
I personally wouldn't mind a revolution. The government is no longer working for the people and they have slaughtered democracy (the original ideas) so much that we're basically stuck to vote for 2 parties, which both have the same agendas. It's not what I call "choice". Besides, the gov. is backed up by all the big companies and etc. I whs the people had more power (where it belongs). The only part that may hit a lot of people is that once this happens, every single pennies you've saved will not make a world's difference. Nonetheless, I'm still looking forward to it =)
Quote from: twstedrageI too have a prediction that things are only going to get worse with Bush. I don't know if he starts it but there is going to be more war and a possible revolution/uprise in the US. People are tired of the way things are and I think soon that people will finally wake up out of the brainwash of the multi-billion dollar, lets rape you for every thing you got industry. As for how soon this all happens, I don't know just a gut feeling and I am usually right. However I do know things are only going to get worse for a while. Not good times to live in.
Quote from: JenadotsAdam, Still our choice as to what we will buy into and make into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Seems right now there is a lot of speculation that the next world war will have China invading the USA via Alaska, Canada and Mexico. Basis for it is just about nothing. In its 5000 year long continuous history, China has usually been invaded rather than invading other countries.
Of course that can change, but historically, there is great resistance to that kind of thing amongst the Chinese people.
This is the present and a new millenia - Anything is possible. Even now, there are signs of Chinese dominance in the economic arena rapidly growing. Chinese have ample resources, people, and motive. They have to expand or they will deflate.
I saw this on the Drudge Report today:
http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2004/11/30/cneu30.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2004/11/30/ixfrontcity.html
As they person above stated, I believe that revolution is preferable to the future of humankind. Do you want more of the same materialism and blind nationalist ideology or do you want freedom and enlightenment? Sadly, the only route is through pain because the ruling class will not give up it's power without a fight. I don't speak of a revolution of Communist sorts, I'm speaking of turning the hierarchical order entirely upside down. I believe the spikes in oil prices and being forcibly weaned off of oil will help humanity achieve a natural order that should have been present before the oil boom of the 1900s.
The military power of a country should be based on how many autonomous fighting people are in the army, not based on how many warheads one side or the other's packing. Balance of power does well for awhile, but now it can mean utter destruction even if the balance tips just a little. In the scale of human history, this is an extremely quick and volatile society! In under 200 years, we went from riding horse drawn carts to driving high powered gas-guzzling hum-vees and having tanks and missiles and jets that can break the sound barrier, and at what cost? Too much power in to few hands.
I have the feeling that there is so much excess and meaninglessness in this Western society that it must be cast away if anything better can grow... I think that's what the ruling party fears. There are a growing number of young people that are losing any remnants of faith they had in the government simply as a sign of the times. If the time comes where I must make that choice I know exactly which side I'll be on.
Hi, everyone. The problem with revolutions is that they often start out with the highest idealism but quickly degenerate into chaos and corrupting power struggles or get co-opted by a dictatorship who claims to just wanting to restore order, but never quite leaves once order is restored.
We need evolution far more than revolution. Evolution of thought as well as spirit. And I think that inner evolution if going on in our species and the conflicts within are being reflected in the conflicts in the physical world as well as the violence in our storm patterns.
What is the point of having revolution if it is the same old "us" that is there after it is over?
There is much in the our society, government, businesses and lifestyles that is truly vile. Some of it is relatively harmless. But some of it has had terrible effects on our character and our families.
I work with teenagers. I am both stunned by how good so many of them are and also appalled at some of the others. This generation doesn't seem to have too many in-between kids. It is like watching them split into two camps - those who will be wonderful adults and those who we will all cross the street to avoid. Not too many fence sitters in this new generation. The school I am in is a microcosim of the city I am in - truly reflective of the broader population.
On the plus side, the ignorant-and-vile-and-proud-of-it segment of this young group is relatively small compared to the whole group. But they are nasty and hateful towards just about everyone and those in the larger group. The only thing that seems to confuse them is when the kids in the larger, more self-aware group reaches out to them without criticism or anger.
And that larger group - what a great bunch they are. They will change the world as they appear to me to be much more self-aware and conscious of the world than previous generations. They may not have aquired all the knowledge they need yet, but there is a search for wisdom I have never seen before. They don't seem to be so interested in the typical, superficial teenage stuff. They are intense and seem to have an inner hunger for something that is undefinable.
This is the generation to watch as they grow into adulthood. Unlike my own generation of baby-boomers, this group doesn't make a lot of noise about their idealism or search for a better value system. My generation had the idealism but not the follow-thru. This generation is more subtle but also more determined to create a better future than what they see around them.
So, hold off on the revolution. Given the chance, I believe this is the generation that will evolve this country into a value system that represents the best in all of us. It has crossed my mind that these are the first of the Indigo children that I am seeing turning 17 and 18. If that is so, about 20 years from now when they begin to move into positions of power and influence, the American and the world's scenario will change for the better.
I am so proud to be their teacher and this is the generation I have waited my whole career to teach. Their lives have touched mine in such a deep way that it makes me a far better teacher than I have been in a long, long time.
And for those of you who have teenagers, please do nurture that intense search for something deeper and better. Oddly enough, it isn't really about money. Oh, sure, they are as materialistic as any bunch of teenagers and like all the things they can buy, but they seem to realize that things are only stuff and have no meaning. They seem to be breaking away from the idea that their things somehow define them.
Pretty unusual at so tender an age.
They have given me back my hope for the future. :D
Back in...I want to say 1998...I was very interested in the Nostradamus Prophecies...in any case, for something that pertains to this topic. That predicted George W. Bush's presidency. This was, mind you, before I even knew that George H. W. Bush had a son by the same name. It also went on to say that he would in a second term as president of this nation... And it also did mention a large scale world war against the Middle East. I wish could recall the author of that interpretation of Nostradamus' Predictions...but unfortunately I don't.
In response to Jenadots, that is all true. It's not another militaristic revolutionary power that will win the day and make things better. It takes a social revolution of sorts. The counter-culture had some noble goals (some quite un-noble) but failed to make the movement coherent and was crushed and then absorbed into modern society. I simply can't take this culture any more, perhaps I'm insane, who knows.
What else to aim for but change? (We're probably going to invade Iran soon based on the current events.) Most people can't see through what they are supporting. I think there are more than you think like me, losing the political faith. I'll admit that I may be quite immature and you can just blow me off considering I'm a 15 year old pup, but the future of this country is looking very grim after the power-grab and the resource eating of the 50's onward.
All I want is to be free, I suppose that may be the psychological need for separation at this time of my life, teenage angst if you will. I'm just sick of so many people I talk to which blindly follow whatever the propaganda machine tells them. After WWII the indoctrination efforts turned to marketing, beating into people to buy things and consume and support the economy.
Think about how homogenizing television if the majority of 500 million people watch that box five hours a day, with a limited selection of channels. It is my belief that the Internet is the radical new variable in this social equation. Instead of being forced to click through channels the scope of opinions is much, much wider and public opinion is TOTALLY free.
I am not looking forward to the prospect of becoming a nine to five middle class worker for the rest of my life with a happy family and 100,000 dollar house.
BeserkExodus, don't go beserk and don't do an exodus. You are the very generation I was speaking of.
Yes, you are in the thick of teenage angst which does pass. But life always has its angst filled moments tho most of the time it is never as intense as when you are a teenager.
So find and seek out the others of your age group that are really self aware and seeking that indefinable something. You have a lot more choices than a 9 to 5 boring job. Just enjoy being 15 for now and think about that later. Figure out who you are before trying to figure out what it is that you want to do for a living. More importantly, before you figure out what to do with your life outside of working.
I agree TV is dulling and filled with propaganda and all sorts of people telling us what we are supposed to think about something. And I watch it just like everyone else. The trick is not to let it influence you before you have your own thoughts about something. Use it as a tool for information and viewpoints, nothing more.
The future is not as grim as many of the commentators would have us all beleive.
And also consider that Presidents come and go. That is the wisdom of our system. No one gets to be President for a lifetime. And there are always wars going on somewhere.
I don't think Bush will invade Iran unless Iran does something really outrageous. Most likely he and the all too gullible Europeans will just let the Israeli's who are the most threatened by Iran to blow up their nuclear installations - the ones they say don't exist and are just to generate electricity.
And madhatter, Nostrodamus prophecies haven't exactly been 100%. As cryptic as they are and so open to interpretation, you can make them fit almost any similiar scenarios from his lifetime to the present.
Whatever will happen in Bush's second term and the Middle East would probably have happened anyway. Kerry would have had to deal with the same issues and events.
I do hope he lives out his term in spite of the predictions of disaster for him and the county. Like him or not, a death in office is never a good thing or an easy transition.
In any case, you will find your place in this culture and join the rest of your generation in making it your own.
Jenadots,
"And madhatter, Nostrodamus prophecies haven't exactly been 100%. As cryptic as they are and so open to interpretation, you can make them fit almost any similiar scenarios from his lifetime to the present."
Oh yeah, I agree totally...I just always found it odd that I read a book that was an interpretation of Nostradamus' prophecies that later came to be true...the book very blatantly took what Nostradamus wrote, and applied it to modern politics. The particular part that blew me away, even years after reading it, in fact the fact that I had read it didn't don on me until just 2 years ago.... is that durring the Clinton Administration I read this book that said that the son of George H. W. Bush would become the president of the United States for more than a single term AND that he would wage a large war....and now almost 7 years after reading the interpretation, George W. Bush is president, going into his second term, and we're embroiled in a very large war in the Middle East that, quite frankly, isn't going to be going away anytime soon...with talk of repealing the term limitations for presidents...the times are pretty strange...
As far as the future of the Middle East, and the world., check out The Project for the New American Century...its a Washington DC thinktank that has existed since the early 90s...and its members include Jeb Bush, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld, among many others....its polities are essentially the Bush Administration's foreign policies, and it will give you a pretty good idea of where that policy is headed with the NeoCons at the helm...
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
No joke, this isn't a conspiracy page, its the actual thinktank's page. They're also known as PNAC.
Edit: I'm an absent minded idiot :DDD This was supposed to be in response to a post made on the first page of this post. I must've been reading the first page and didn't realize there were 3 others after it. My mistake :)
Not agreeing with government is the whole reason the US exists today anyway. We've also had a civil war already, too, btw. People in the military risking their lives to 'help others' isn't really an excuse for the government to suck. In fact, that's the whole reason people are over there risking their lives in the first place.
Anybody see Rumsfield in Iraq taking questions from the soldiers? Horrible idea. Showed how much he really knew about what was going on in Iraq. Sounded like some of the soldiers over there were getting a bit fed up too.
At least they were free to speak their minds and didn't get shot for doing so. That doesn't happen everywhere.
So typically American, hanging out the dirty linen for all to see.
Ain't it grand! :P