cubes trees castaneda and me

[Tisha]

I just started that book a few days ago. Neato!



Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[Tom]

While outside I have spent more time looking at trees but have not been able to see them differently than before. Sometimes I see what looks like auras around them, and sometimes I seem to be looking at many of the individual leaves instead of passing along and just thinking "tree". Otherwise not much has changed.

[jilola]

Hmm Maybe it's individual how we see things. On second thought it definitely is.
I'm very nature oriented so I guess that makes a difference. YMMV

I find that I get a very peaceful feeling when I just take in the scene without interpreting it in any way. Just watch and zone out a bit.

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jouni

[Tisha]

So what do you think of the book, Jiola?  I'm in the middle of it now.  I'm seeing many similarities . . . let me rephrase that . . . the descriptions of the dreaming gates resonate pretty well with me.  I recognize the gates, Don Juan is just using different terminology than the other OBE/dreaming authors. It would be so cool to do up a chart comparing the OBE languages used by Casteneda, Monroe, and Bruce!

Do you think inorganic beings might be mistakenly interpreted as "negs?"

tisha

Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[jilola]

Hmm some correspondeces that I got out of it:
1st gate == Lucid dreaming
2nd gate == AP
I was a bit disappointed as he never explained the other 5 or was it 7 gates. I think they have to do with the level of control of the AP.

Clearly the book is about AP instead of just plain dreaming.

Yeah actually one might be able to dig up new information by comparing the different poiints of view the 3 authors have, especially Robert vs. Castaneda et. al. This would make a nice project for someone with appropriate major. Anyone?

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jouni

[Tisha]

The fourth gate of dreaming was going into other people's dreams.  But I guess Gates 5 and 6 and 7 will show up in his last book, the Active Side of Infinity?  I don't know, I just started it!  It appears to be about what happens after the death of the physical body.


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[jilola]

Hee. That's next on my list.

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jouni

[jilola]

Just started reading my first Carlos Castaneda book "The art of dreaming".
And what ho! Some things made instant sense. Now sinnce the book is a translation I don't know what his original terminology is but where he speaks of the point/locus/focus and the changes caused by moving it from its usual location being individual to the perceiver but still universal a flare went up in my mind's sky.
I immediately thought of the focus as a dot of paint. The meaning and perception it gives is dependent on its surrounding points, sometimes it's a part of an eye other times a part of an ocean but it's still a blue dot.
I then thought of the existence/universe as a cube composed of dots and us as individuals as planes intersecting the cube. Each plane that intersects the same point in the cube perceives the point differently and individually but they still perceive the same point. It's just the matter of perspective and contrast.

Also something he writes about looking at trees in relation to Dreaming (again retranslation from the translated text) it something I've done on occasion and actually talked about with Tom (I think on the astralmaster's thread on dream perpective).

I'll definitely read more of his books. As well as being entertaining there seem to be some profound insights in them.

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jouni