If a spirit crosses over can you still contact them?

[Gbob]

What does crossing over actually mean? From what I've read they go into the Light but I don't understand what they do there. Will they just reincarnate if they've got karma still due? If so if someone decides to reincarnate can you still contact them? What if they decide to reincarnate but people on earth still miss them and want to talk to them?

[CFTraveler]

I can give you some answers but they are my opinion based on my experiences, and also from information from others that make sense in terms of my experience.

[Gbob]

Feel free. I'd like to hear your opinions. 

[CFTraveler]

Ok- Theory (bible based) used to be that we had a soul and a spirit (and a body) and when someone died, the soul and the spirit 'went' somewhere.  Now, if you look for references, it may appear that the spirit is the spark of life (impersonal) and the soul is the part of the person  that experiences, and remember, and in a way, processes.

Some people believe that the spirit goes on to reincarnate, while the soul (aka 'shade') has to process that which it has learned, and when it does, it comes to a point in which it can decide to reincarnate, or move on to the next step in evolution. [I don't 'prefer' this theory over any other, I'm just throwing it out for reference.]

A lot of people that have NDEs report a moment in which they have to decide to 'go to the light' or go back to being alive, and of course, the ones who come back are the ones doing the reporting.

According to OBE literature (and my own experiences) there is an area of the astral in which souls who have recently departed play out parts of their life- these reports can be compared with NDErs' reports of having a life review before they are asked to make this decision- I have experienced this place through my grandmother's passing, and it jibes with reports- basically part of the soul's evolution has to do with reliving their experiences, the way they happened, the way they wanted them to happen, and run simulations of ways to overcome certain things that they were not able to deal with the way they would have liked to.  This would be done in the astral plane.  And maybe in the mental plane, depending on how complicated things got here.

In this scenario, the soul is isolated from most other astral inhabitants until they finish the processing, and then can move on to perceive things as they are (or closer to the way things are-who knows.)  Once they have run the simulations (which is more complicated than what I'm describing) and which takes place in the 'intermediate' place of the astral, the place where projectors can go to, and include the belief system territories, then they are ready to move on, and this can include many things- they may want to stay in that 'plane' to become 'facilitators' that is, what I think may be guides, or move on to some completely different form that is too 'advanced' to stay in the intermediate place, or they may decide to go back and reincarnate, if they feel that it's necessary for them to deal with something that they feel didn't serve them.

I think that the term 'crossing over' refers to the point in which they have finished their life review (s), have possibly exhausted all of the possible life form possibilities there are in the material world (which may include other planets, but I wouldn't know that for sure) and are already beyond the 'facilitator' stage- when they simply outgrow that state there would be a 'crossing over', in essence a moving into a form of existence (and form may not be the operative word here) that is so different that once they've crossed over there is no point in coming back.

Now this is all theoretical, and I have experienced only some of those stages (due to my father, and grandmother's passing over)  My mom just passed a few days over three weeks ago so I know it is too soon to try to communicate with her, but I will try once I can get my emotions (and issues) dealt with.

With my dad I experienced the intermediate stage for the first time, and it manifested as a front porch of a house (that part is subjective) in which he told me some important things.
With my grandmother I experienced her life review from afar (I saw her surrounded by my great grandmother and other deceased relatives) was told she was not available to communicate.  Later on I experienced the end of the review and her processing it- I experienced it not as a porch but as a 'floor between floors' (which betrays my catholic upbringing, form is subjective) and actually helped her understand some things.
Later I saw her in an etheric projection and went to her house, where she showed me something.  Later on, when my mother passed, I saw what she was showing me, letting me know that the projection was genuine and not wishful thinking.
Now I saw her in two stages- middle of life review, and right after, and I could see a change in her.  I'm not sure 'where' she is right now, because I haven't seen her since.

I can go on and on but I'd prefer not to go into my experiences with my mother, because I'm too raw.

So you can see that there is a highly subjective way to see these places- but all the descriptions indicate places that have limits- a front porch is neither inside or outside, and in the case of a bridge, it's a similar image- a place where you can still walk back- but crossing over completely may indicate not coming back.


BTW, when I visited my father, my grandmother and my mother in the 'front porch' of my astral locale, I was told not to go out of the porch, and my mom, just before her passing, was inside the house, not outside, but standing at the door.
So you see how the image's meaning are symbolic but obvious.

When I have gone to this place, I have experienced this light as a being, and it's always been my great-grandmother.  She obviously made a great impression in my youth (lots of love), so this being that I associate with light may or may not be a facilitator, might even be my great-grandmother for real.  All I know is that the few times I've been in her presence, the feeling of love is overwhelming.

And, that's it.

[kurtykurt42]

What does crossing over actually mean? From what I've read they go into the Light but I don't understand what they do there. Will they just reincarnate if they've got karma still due? If so if someone decides to reincarnate can you still contact them? What if they decide to reincarnate but people on earth still miss them and want to talk to them?

Pretty sure crossing over means that they move into one of the spiritual realms (Astral / Mental Planes) from the RTZ / 4th density plane. When they go into these realms there sense of time can be lost and they may leave for many months / years.

I'm still not sure how you go about reincarnating. I know I've probably done it a thousand times before but I just can't remember...

[Gbob]

Thank you very much for your input, I really enjoyed that and thought it was very informative.

My mom just passed a few days over three weeks ago so I know it is too soon to try to communicate with her

I'm so sorry for your loss. When you say it's 'too soon' is that because she has to adapt to the astral and experience her life reviews before she is able to communicate? There's this one person that I know of who recently died an accidental death a couple of days ago and in my projection I called out to him the night after but he didn't answer. But thinking about it he's probably still quite shocked and confused about his death that he may not even know he's dead. For some reason my spirit guide seems to never respond to me either  . Perhaps I'm not ready for it or something.

Also if a spirit doesn't cross over isn't it sort of a good thing for us because we still get to communicate with them? Or is it usually that spirits only ever cross over when all their loved ones have moved on and it is safe to do so?

[CFTraveler]

Thank you very much for your input, I really enjoyed that and thought it was very informative.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

You're welcome, and thank you.

When you say it's 'too soon' is that because she has to adapt to the astral and experience her life reviews before she is able to communicate? There's this one person that I know of who recently died an accidental death a couple of days ago and in my projection I called out to him the night after but he didn't answer. But thinking about it he's probably still quite shocked and confused about his death that he may not even know he's dead. For some reason my spirit guide seems to never respond to me either  . Perhaps I'm not ready for it or something.

I think both are true- recent dreams make me think she's in the middle of her 'personal' life review, and also I am not able to move off my center of grief- and grief is  isolating- too many emotions cloud my judgement, and even though I saw her possibly hours after her death, it was quick and sudden- just enough to 'let me know.'  And frankly, I am so immersed in my own stuff that it's just not possible for me to have a 'heart to heart' with her- grief is as selfish as any other emotion, and that's where I am right now.

Also if a spirit doesn't cross over isn't it sort of a good thing for us because we still get to communicate with them? Or is it usually that spirits only ever cross over when all their loved ones have moved on and it is safe to do so?

I think the whole theme is irrelevant, because for them 'time' is not the same as for us- so it's possible that a life review can take a long 'alive' time, or not- so when we're ready to interact (and want to, not everyone does, of course), then they're available.  Plus (and this is part of my 'belief system') I think they need us too, in the sense that when they were alive we interacted, and if there is something that needed to be said or done, it can be done in this intermediate state, and if we are conscious projectors, we can know we're doing it- otherwise we experience it as dreams, etc.  Just a belief thing, interpretation on my part.

There may be something to the 'generational' thing you mentioned- and something she told me makes sense in that context.  Thanks for that.

[CFTraveler]

Pretty sure crossing over means that they move into one of the spiritual realms (Astral / Mental Planes) from the RTZ / 4th density plane. When they go into these realms there sense of time can be lost and they may leave for many months / years.

May very well be.  My experiences with my father can be explained this way, as I saw him in at least two 'steps in evolution' (he didn't explain it in terms I understood at the time, but it makes sense).  I saw him recently before my mom got sick, in a symbolic way.  He was too far from me to see directly, and he was loading bags into the trunk of a car in a parking lot.  In hindsight, it makes sense.  Hindsight is an amazing thing.

[kurtykurt42]

I've got 20/20 hindsight CFT! 

I like to read about people that communicate with deceased individuals. Yesterday on Coast to Coast, Mary Ann Winkowski talked about her ability to see dead people since she was 4 years old. Since she was 4 she has been going to funerals and will walk up to the spirit and talk with him/her.

Just about a week ago I projected to the RTZ/4th density and met a man that was Christan his whole life and had just passed away about 2 days before I met with him. He had a women in a white robe next to him. We talked for about 10 minutes, he was a funny guy.