December 21,2012

[beavis]

Whatever is going to happen, I hope it starts soon. I'm getting bored.

[Tab]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Whatever is going to happen, I hope it starts soon. I'm getting bored.

indeed

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Will we suffer the biblical apocalypse, our ecosphere
collapsing as we rapidly consume the Earth's dwindling resources,
or can this same advancing technology which has brought us to the brink of self-destruction save us, or at least allow our escape to another planet/ solar system/ dimension? Or does our salvation lie in rapid spiritual evolution? Or a
combination thereof?

We live in a time of cultural diversity, and yet global unification.
This has been called the 'Age of Information'.
Never before has such a vast range of information been available to so
many as now via modern telecommunications networks. We have access to all cultures, all races, all places.

While unfortunately the western materialist consumer
mass-production mindset is still dominant,
there is beneath it an emerging global culture.
This is inceasingly evident in the youth of today, who seem to
be making a gradual shift fom the
hedonistic mindlessness of 'Generation X' into an acceptance of ALL .

the hippies and flowerchildren in their colourful garb who were the
beginnings of the modern ecology movement.

but it is still in the subcultures that the most practical
alternatives to consumer greed and environmental genocide emerge.

subcultures are becoming hard to seperate and identify. It is not unusual today
to find someone who combines (for example) 'hippy' ecological values, 'punk' and tribal adornment, gypsy nomadic lifestyle, Hindu TRASH and technological equipment.
Such 'mutants' -multi-cultural hybrids- are the avatars of the
emerging global culture.
They are the 'living art' embodiments of the 'post-modern' art theories - walking collages!

There are certain individuals and groups who would like to think they
are THE Rainbow People and actually become quite closed-minded, unable to accept those who don't embrace their New Age dogmas or who offer fresh alternative perspectives.

The Rainbow movement has been demonstrating that it is still possible to live in harmony with the Earth and with each other. Rainbow Gatherings around the world continue to occur, removed from 'normal' society and living in an idealistic and yet effective tribal 'total consensus' democracy.

However we need to expand to
establish more long-term, self-sustainable communities.

This Hopi prophecy is also called the '13th Tribe', being the new global
tribe which emerges from the union of the 'Twelve Tribes' or source races of
humanity. These 'twelve tribes' also exist in the Bible, whose prophecies bear a strange affinity with many of the Hopi prophecies. While the bible makes no
references to a thirteenth tribe -and indeed the patriarchal christian religion
is responsible for the branding of thirteen as an 'unlucky' number because of
its relation to lunar/ feminine cycles - it is interesting to note that with his
twelve disciples Jesus becomes the thirteenth.

gadget-orientated society most of us live in;

Digital tecnology is a lot more refined and ecologically friendly than the clumsy smoke-churning monsters of the industrial age, and electronic information distribution reduces the need for paper from trees.

It is too late to go backwards to an age without modern technology.

attitudes of humans, greed and exploitation, rather than their tools which endanger us.

'The Mayan Factor' Jose Arguelles writes about going
'beyond technology', claiming quite correctly that
"20th Century technological comfort...is a closing off of the sense fields and a narrowing of the perceptions...akin to a caged animal suffocating on its own waste products."

Technology is also doing many wonderful things for us and our planet; offering incredible developments in medical science and          global communications.
Recent discoveries in genetics, suggesting this field will advance in the next 10 years at the rate computer technology has advanced in the last 10 years, offer the possibility that science may allow us to reshape our very flesh and forms
sooner than we deemed possible.

I believe the implications of 'beyond technology' in 2012,
Our technology will develop until we can create practically any physical reality we desire.
'Technology' will become obsolete as we transcend the materialist paradigm.
no more gadgets.

Arguelles also talks of the use of global computer networks and radiosonic
temples of harmonic sound (the ancient all night trance dance revived through
'techno' -even the mainstream gatherings have a vague sense of ritualism)


the Mayan culture were, charting astronomical movements and cycles of
time with a precision equal to that provided by our modern instruments.

                         MAYA
Their calendrics, went beyond mere mapping of the physical machinations
of the solar system however, showing also how Energy(not information) travels from Hunab Ku, the galactic core, to us via our sun.
As modern Mayan priest Hunbatz Men asserts
in his book "The Maya: Science/Religion" to the Ancient Mayan culture there was no difference between science/technology and magic/religion.

Myths are maths,
each number being an important metaphorical symbol rather than just a means of calculation.


the 'age of reason' when industry and 'rationality' began their assault, that has been largely responsible for the current planetary crisis.
Material practicality has sacrificed aesthetics and mythology in the quest for mundane comfort and conformity.

But gradually this duality is being transcended.
'Science' is beginning to acknowledge possibilities that have long been known in the world of magic.
Quantum physics, chaos theory and the like allow the random factors and
perspective leaps that have long been confined to the realms of mysticism.
Similarly, magic is becoming more 'scientific', refining its methodology,
embracing the chaos/quantum paradigm, and employing modern technology as another magical tool.

Perhaps our technology will develop to an extent where we can manipulate matter instantly with our minds -magic! "
>Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"                                                                                      Arthur C. Clarke

What is technology? Basically- tools, extensions of the human body with which we manipulate our environment.
From stone axes to microchips, it's all technology
at various degrees of advancement.
What is 'natural'? Are we, as animals, seperate from nature?
Does our use of tools differentiate us that much? There is
often talk of humankind 'destroying nature' as if we are seperate from it.
I'm not advocating wanton abuse of earthly resources. I'm sure our realization and
reformation of the abuse already perpetrated is also part of the 'natural'
process. Or perhaps it's natural for us to wipe ourselves out?

According to the Mayan calendar, we are in the last baktun, Baktun 13 from
1992-2012. Their calendar ceases on the solstice of 2012, December 21st. What does this 'end of time' portend?

                           Quetzalcoatl
the Mayans herald it as the time for 'The Return of Kukulkan'.
Called Quetzalcoatl by the Aztecs, Kukulkan is the major deity of the Ancient
Mayan civilization. His name means 'feathered serpent', an obvious metaphor for the kundalini energy. Kundalini is the 'serpent power' which resides in our
nervous systems,

The caduceus, snake-entwined winged staff of the Greek Messenger of the Gods, Hermes, has been appropriated by western medicine.
It has always been a symbol of Magic and healing.

In his book Hunbatz Men gives evidence of ancient Mayan clay figurines with 4 dots at the base of the spine, 6 at the navel, etc.


The return of Quetzalcoatl, Hunbatz claims, is a metaphor for the
activation of the chakras and the rising of the kundalini. The biblical flood
when Nu apparently built his ark was a proven historical event.

The next 'apocalypse' is supposed to be by fire!

Won't it be nice if this is metaphysical kundalini 'fire' rather than literal ecological cataclysm?

What does this 'return of Quetzalcoatl?' imply? Kundalini rising in many?
i.e. awakening of the collective consciousness and mass enlightenment?

Perhaps, and yet my attention has also been brought to another, related factor.
March 22nd 2012.  I later found to be the date the Mayans say is, 'The beginning of the ascent of the great serpent."

Mayan mirror word 'CannaC' which means the serpent as both

spirit and matter, these being thus the same thing.
Is this to be the return of Quetzalcoatl then? The rise of the microcosmic
serpents in our spines, and of the great serpents of the Earth?

In many ancient cultures the rise of the great serpent signifies the 'end of the World' or the 'end of time'.

To the Australian Aborigines the rise of the Rainbow Serpent signifies the end of the World.

The Norse (who also apparently
prophecied the coming of 'rainbow warriors', although I have yet to find evidence of this)
told of Ragnarok, THE BATTLE OF THE GODS at the end of the World,

when the chaos wolf FENRIS consumes the sun and the Midgard Serpent,

the great snake encircling the World Tree (Yggdrasil), rises.

This tail-biting  serpent was called Oroboros by the AncientGreeks and Tiamat by the Babylonians.

In the bible it is Leviathan, and the Beast of the Apocalypse has the number
666.

The Mayan view of the sun in the end-times (2012) is more positive. This final
baktun in their calendar is the baktun of AHAU, which represents stelar
consciousness- the ascension from earthly consciousness into the solar age, when we presumably start tuning in more to the galactic core, via messages to our solar plexus through our own Sun or Kin.


Robert Coon prefers the Aztec calendar, which he claims replaced the Mayan 'dead' calendar, and thus charts 2039 as the 'return of Quetzalcoatl'.


Terence McKenna, has created a piece of software called 'Timewave Zero' which maps out the spirals of time using the I Ching, an ancient chinese oracle. It has been demonstrated that the I-Ching is actually the same programming as our RNA/DNA genetic codes -another case of magic pre-empting science.
McKenna's Timewave theory, inspired by experiences with psilocybin mushrooms, harmonic frequencies of insects and ayahuasca/DMT, have yet to be disproved. My own experiences with fly agaric mushrooms (see Choronzon's Garden) confirm that time is certainly more spiralling than linear.

So I seem to have started this essay with the end. This is probably because the end IS the beginning.
It is most likely a return to the primal shamanic
Dreamtime when matter and spirit were undifferentiated.
Flipping through the lemniscate: Here we are again at the Gates of Dawn, where the Piper plays his pipes.
He draws down the moon with his tune and the Gates open. Osiris rises.
Thus the procession began, the progression of the aeons. Let us now examine each age from the beginning until now, and various interpretations thereof.

The Beginning has been called variously the Dreamtime, the Shamanic Aeon and the
Nameless Aeon. It is not really the beginning of time as such but a prologue to it, as time was as yet unrecorded and not even necessarily acknowledged. It is too long ago for us to know. Like the future, it blurs into myth and
speculation. 'History' as the recording of events, had certainly not begun.
To the Aboriginals of Australia this was called the Dreamtime.

It is the time of myth, when the Ancestor Spirits created the World.

One of these ancient being is of course the timeless Rainbow Serpent, Almudj.
Another archetype of the Shamanic Aeon is Pan. As representative of the primal and ancient atavistic animal in man, the Horned God/dess was 'all' in this aeon.
Thus came the Greek word Pan, meaning 'All'.
Aion tells of this Nameless Aeon and the Pan Current in his Book of Gate called Pan, ascribing various KABALISTIC and other occult symbologies to this primal entity. Pan is 'the beast' within humankind, dominant before civilization began.
Thus the end-times with their 'Beast of the Apocalypse' again link back to the
beginning.
666 is the number of Man.
But this 'Nameless Aeon' is all-ways present, thus the recurrent
symbology/mythology of the Horned God/dess.

It is the central core or axis of the aeonic caduceus/lemniscate, the through which the other aeons weave and cross.


'herstory'instead of history not much was recorded yet, but civilization had definitely begun. The Mother, Goddess of Fertility, reigned as agriculture started. The moon and the Earth were worshipped and venerated as sacred Goddesses, basic pagan culture flourished.

Then gradually the Patriarchy came in. The advent of the solar calendar brought in the Aeon of Osiris, the father. Solar pagan cults flourished. Organized religion began. Christianity began its slow spread across the world, becoming eventually the dominant paradigm as it displaced the old world mythologies and pantheons with its monotheistic dogma of 'one (male) God'.
                          Crowley
(In 1904 Crowley inaugurated the 'Aeon of Horus'...)
Simultaneously we saw the rise of materialistic scientific rationalism and the advent of industrialization. Technology began to progress at an accelerating rate, and art became submerged.
Nevertheless magick and paganism did continue, and as science became ever more dominant, Aleister Crowley emerged as a figurehead of occultism. By this time practically anyone who dabbled in magick was branded 'black' or evil, EMOTIONALY, so rather
than try to deny this Crowley exploited a sinister image as 'the wickedest man
in the world', playing the adversary and attracting many who were frustrated
with the mediocrity of the Church and State.
Crowley's practises actually introduced an element of 'science' to magic like
never before, introducing more precise methodologies while still revelling in
the pure poetry of ceremony and ritual.
The aeon of the Son was born with the purging of the 1st World War, which Crowley saw as the cleansing of the rubble of the Old Aeon. Horus is the hawk-headed lord, son of Isis the mother and Osiris the father,

The influence of Crowley and his work on the occult world is huge, stretching to many dimly-lit corners of various secret sects and orders.
the psychedelic revolutionary Timothy Leary and
quantum philospher/author Robert Anton Wilson,
fuels Crowley's claims of transmissions from extraterrestrial sources, apparently through Sirius star;
or at the least confirms the seeds in our collective consciousness planted by the ancient Egyptians (a culture very similar in architecture and astronomical interests to the Mayans)

On the outer, the aeon of the SON also indeed seems to be manifesting. Since the fifties a new spirit of youthful rebellion has emerged from the conservative values of the patriarchy, from the advent of rock music to the hippy flower power movement to the reactionism of punk to the current synthesis of all of these subcultures (and more) into a new breed which often embraces both modern technology and old world spirituality. Pagan, pantheistic and even animistic
attitudes re-emerge and the christian church begins its decline into stagnation.

the Feminist movement has allowed the return of the feminine as a powerful political and spiritual force. This is linked with the growing ecological movement, with a long-due return to VENERATION of the Earth

It was a relief and confirmation to discover that there is actually a growing magical current along these lines -the Magick of Maat, Goddess of Truth and Justice. This Egyptian deity, who traditionally weighs one's heart against a
feather at death, represents truth and balance, and this is indeed her role in the modern world.

In 1974 Priestess Nema recieved a transmission from Maat, 'Liber Pennae Praenumbra', during a timetravel working.

the Maat current is coming backwards from a future aeon (thus the Maat current reflects the atavistic resurgence of Spare's Zos Kia Kultus) when time is perceived differently,
manifesting now through those open enough to receive the information, the 'mutants' who are the avatars of the coming race of
'homo veritas'.

The aim of Maat Magic now is primarily to awaken the collective consciousness of humanity,
linking us all in universal empathy.

Magical historian and aeonic scholar Kenneth Grant elucidates on the nature of this backwards-flowing current in his book, 'Outside the Circles of Time'
(Frederick Muller Limited, 1980).
He draws threads between Maat and the
Arachnean (Arachne is the 13th sign of the ancient matriarchal lunar zodiac)
re-turn of lunar worship (Wicca and the neo-pagan movement)

Achad called the aeon of Maat the 'Ma-nifestat-Ion'.
Our increasingly materialistic paradigm seems to be
creating exactly this.

In this current age Quantum Physics and Chaos Theory embrace and unify both science and magic.

Peter Carrol's 'Liber Null and Psychonaut' (Samuel Weiser)
established the idea of 'Chaos Magic', a new outlook on spirituality embracing
multi-culturalism and mult-belief-systems, more scientific in approach even than Crowley's.
The term he derived from both the topical 'chaos theory' emerging in
science and mathematics, and the work of artist and sorceror Austin Osman Spare
(1888-1956), who introduced the ideas forwarded by Carrol of personalized magical symbology based more on innovation than tradition.


s/he is Kali Panphage Pangenitor. The image of this primal being has returned to us in modern magic through the Knights Templar and Eliphas Levi.
it seems natural for it to be either male or female or both, and thus most
accurately represented (being a sexual entity) as hermaphroditic.

-Crowley, and Peter Carrol's Illuminati of Thanateros

no historical evidence of the use of the name before the Knights Templar,
Qabbalistic gematria suggests 'Baphomet' (=131=Pan) is actually an ancient formula. Could this hermaphroditic form of the Horned One been the original vision, and the masculization of Pan/Cernunnos a part of patriarchal his-story?

hermaphroditic was the original creator Atum in the earliest versions of Egyptian mythology.

Shiva is basically the Horned One of the eastern traditions.

In Iberian Craft, the magical tradition of the region where the Knights Templar formed, the goat's-head super-imposed over the pentagram, with horns, ears and
goatee forming the points, is a major symbolic key of initiation.
Leonardo da Vinci overlayed the human figure over the pentagram,
and this has become a symbol of man aspiring to the heavens, the goatshead of the inverse
pentagram thus becoming a symbol of man bound to carnality. This is a dualistic Christian perspective however. Baphomet is God/dess and Demon/ness, ultimately beyond these moral distinctions created by 'civilization'.

Peter Carrol, in his chapter on 'Aeonics' in 'Liber Kaos' (Samuel Weiser) calls it 'The Shamanic Aeon' in the beginning, and
projects at the end of his study of the ages that we are now going into the
'Pandemonaeon'. I prefer taking this name to its Greek roots and spell-ing it
'Pandaemonaeon' -suggesting  'All(Pan)-Spirit(daemon)-Aeon',
suggesting a re-turn to the central dreaming axis.
So perhaps the Nameless Aeon has All-ways had a name?

The pentagram or five-pointed star is a symbol of the earth in neo-paganism,
is also the symbol of Nu, the Egyptian Universe Goddess who represents the unmanifest.
Thus it is the most common symbol of magic, the means by which we
can bring our hopes and dreams to earth, into manifestation. It is a star, and
it is the human figure.
Crowley emphasised this fact: 'Every man and woman is a star'. The work of the
A.^.A.^.  continues to guide the 'spiritual evolution of humankind'  from (and to?) the stars via the astral plane.

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There is a large element of 'star magic' within the Maatian Current also,

including feathered masks which I relate as much to the 'return of the Quetzaloatl'

John Major Jenkins reveals the results of decades of searching for astronomical reasons why the Mayans set solstice 2012 as the end-date of their calendar.
He discovered that at this time the
ecliptic (path) of the Earth's Sun lines up with the galactic core, Hunab Ku, which according to the Mayans and Arguelles is
the source of information transmissions to our species, from extra-terrestrial intelligences or the galaxy itself as a sentience .
The Mayans called this alignment the 'Crossroads' of their Sacred Tree.

The galactic core our sun's ecliptic aligns with in 2012 is visible as a dark cleft in the middle of the Milky Way. The Mayans called this Crossroads the 'Path to the Underworld'
or the 'Dark Path', and it was considered to be the 'Womb of the Great Mother' from which the universe was born; thus it is the means of rebirth through death .

At this omega point not just Jesus or Kukulkan/Quetzalcoatl will return, but 'the dead will rise',

Thus we re-turn to the Dreamtime where we began, as the great serpent of time.

QTz suggest Quetzalcoatl, the 'feathered serpent'!
The Mayan language has both backwards and forwards words, and those which read both ways are, like the mirror figure 131, < 14! > words of ultimate Truth.

The international chaos magick group IOT has as its axiom 'Nothing is True.
Everything is permitted' (as Crowley said: 'Do what thou Wilt'. ) There are no rules -this is niether matriarchy nor patriarchy, it is just an-archy!

But in the future 'Everything is True', for the future is just Maat 'Truth'.
Think about this for a while, it may help you understand the backwards and
forwards-flowing nature of emiTime... The Axis has all-ways been there.

In his study of Aeonics in 'Liber Kaos', Peter Carroll ends up wondering whether in this aeon we will end up scrabbling over tinned food in the post-apocalyptic rubble, or flying through the stars. This seems to be the question everyone's asking, but ultimately, either way -no matter how far we advance or extend ourselves into the multiverse of possibilities, we'll still look within and find only ourselves -an animal housing of the living entity.

[Forgotten Flame 13]

Isn't it December 23, 2012 the end of the world as we know it?

[Anonymous]

He's right it's the 21st.

[beavis]

Dont be too sure about a specific date. There are many futures.  Those that you believe are most possible are most likely to be your future. If the world is going to end (or change), it is likely it could be a few days, weeks, or years different than 12/21/12.

[My stone tears]

Hi,
Thank you all very much for your replies. They have been very helpful. Does anyone have any information about Immanuella? Oh, and one more thing, I'm not a he.
  My stone tears

[no_leaf_clover]

The Mayan calendars do in fact all end on the exact same date, which converts into Christian time as December 2012.. But the statement that that particular date is the apocolypse is, as far as I know (and there may be evidence of otherwise, but it's yet to cross my attention once), a complete assumption.

Based on evidence that the Olmecs were in Central America much earlier than previously thought, that their culture is just short of being interchangeable with ancient African and Mesopotomian cultures, and that the Mayan civilization was directly related to the Olmec civilization, you can assume pretty safely that the Olmecs had something to do with Africa or the Middle East. The most famous ancient civilization in that area, if not in the whole world, is Ancient Egypt. The Ancient Egyptian calendar has some particular dates that deal with astronomical cycles that coincide with Mayan dates. The date in 2012 is the end of one of such cycles, but not necessarily the end of anything in else in either Mayan or Egyptian dating/prophecy/etc.

Now with a lot of these types of prophecies, a 'Planet X', or Nibiru, is involved as being basically the Jewish Messiah. By bringing a possible mass death and later a reorganization of the Earth, warfare will come to end, the governments will be united, etc., etc. (which were many things the pre-Christian Messiah was supposed to do anyway, until Jesus came along and some guys decided to call him the Messiah and base a religion on him, though Jesus himself never claimed any such position and stuck to Judaism). As far as Nibiru goes, the gravitational effects simply aren't what they should be if it was really getting close. It's calculated orbit (based on the Sumerian 3600-year period http://users.lycaeum.org/~martins/nibiru.html ) shows that even when nearing, it'll be years before Nibiru enters our night skies visibly and a few more years before it passes out of them. This doesn't leave much time in-between for all of the actual prophecized (and not completely assumed) apocolyptic types of events to occur. I'm starting to lean more towards the 2030/2040ish time periods.

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if I read between the lines,
'Planet X', or Nibiru, the Jewish Messiah is bringing a mass death and reorganization of the Earth.

and that is very funny.
-don´t you think?

what have we done to the jews, that they are so bitter
that they are planing mass death for all of the life on Earth
even in their folklore?
they always do the same.
they are so calculated.

reorganizing the facts in just their own benefit
at others expense.

for instance, in this matter,
the egyptian and mesopotamic culture.
with their prophets or more likely, they profits.

[no_leaf_clover]

I honestly don't think the earliest Jews knew exactly what they were translating. The early Persians were probably the last to have any sort of clue, as they built huge temples to the Sumerian 'Celestial Disk' in sacred locations near present-day Jerusalem. It's nothing to do with money, and it's not about revenge by the Jews or any such thing. The Jews have as much to do with this as anyone else on Earth.

[T_Kman0610]

hey azaith, how long did it take you type all that? that was the longest post iv ever read. [:O]

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

Even scientists have proven the Earth has been the subject of many pole shifts in its past history, perhaps coinciding with ice ages for example. They also agree we are overdue for another pole shift. Who is to say what will cause that pole shift, maybe it is Niburu?

The point is however, the previous pole shifts were at a time in Earth's pre-history, and therefore we have no way of knowing what the effect of life would have been at the time if any. Today's society is massively different with billions more people.

There have of course been other major incidents in the past such as the destruction of Atlantis and Lemuria, the parting of the Red Sea etc. etc.. 2012 could be a re-run of Atlantis but on a much larger scale.

I believe the Egyptians, Mayans and other ancient central/south American races were connected at one time, possibly via Atlantis. There have been glyphs found in all of these locations including on pyramids on the floor of the Atlantic which are more or less the same. There could well be a general concensus as to a major happening,and 2012 could be the time.

As to what will happen; I think we can assume it will be a very major, traumatic situation which will alter the course of Earth forever, and will be end of society as we know it today. It will not however be the end of the earth or of all life. One possible outcome will be an etherealisation resulting in Earth moving closer to the Astral density, and which will have to be matched by humans.

With best regards,

Adrian.

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T_Kman0610, I did not write that at all.
that is reduced text of some other author.


in teachings of Theosophy,
the cross-eyed race is Atlantean.
japanese, egyptian, tibetan, all indians in both America and Chinese and the Eskimo were the Atlantean race.

the pole shifts and continent dusasters are the consequences
of the falling of Earth's moon.
that is according to Fraternitas Saturni the most influencial Eshoteric teuton order in Germany even today.
the Atlantis, black Lemuria and black mu, dinosaurs disasters
are the result of falling of Earths moon onto the Earth.
you see, we have only one moon left.
Lilith, lulu moons, we all have heard of them,
but we do not see them.
all have fallen and createth the disaster -FS teach.

I am personaly 1000.000% certain that the
Atlantis is located in the bermuda triangle.
so, I hope we will watch the re-run with pagan Gods.
but I hope, without Xena.

[bitkari]

Whatever is going to happen, I hope it starts soon. I'm getting bored.

well the "kittens and puppies" calendar hanging on my wall runs out at the end of this year! omg!

[DjM]

The more I die, the better I live. []

[Tao]

Ohhhhh nooooooooo......
I have this calendar which ends on 30 of September...


Only 24 days to go
Mike

[azrael716]

(whoa...  nobody's posted HERE for a while...)

quote:well the "kittens and puppies" calendar hanging on my wall runs out at the end of this year! omg!

i'd assume that the ancient people were a bit more accurate then "kittens and puppies..."

[Gwathren]

Hey, if the end of the world comes, it comes. It was to be the year 1000, then it was 2000 and these are not the only dates. The Mayas weren't the only ones who knew the date of the end of the world. Some monk even made a mistake, when calculating the birth of Christ etc. Maybe there have been aliens here already from the era of the Great Pyramids? Are you sure in what you say? Are you sure that the Maya didn't know where to put the end of the world so he just put it somewhere? Why the year 2012, why not 2005?

[azrael716]

there's a good chance that that is the case, but neither option can be proven...  so, i guess we'll have to just wait and see, won't we?[]

[Silversunset]

there are some native american predictions that the "scientific" world and the "spiritual" world will merge together, and it will be the duty of those who are 'in tune' with the spiritual to guide those who aren't. signs so far are pointing to that time coming soon (as soon as i can remember where i found the signs i'll show you)

who knows....

[My stone tears]

Hi, my friend and I have been researching a lot about December 21, 2012. It is the end of the Mayan calendar, the most accurate calendar ever made by ancient beings.
 There are also prophecies that something drastic will happen on that day or just that something will change. Some of these assumptions are that: Planet X will come very near to Earth, we will fight a war with demons, the genetic makeup of humans will be changed, there will be numerous types of natural disasters, and that all humans will have some psychic abilities.
   Whatever will happen, I am training my abilities. Please reply to this if you know more about it. Thank you.
    My stone tears