Asking why someone believes in something wouldn't be wrong. I see no loss of faith, that is only curious thinking. I would have liked to see the responce, like if she said that I belive because that is what I was taught. To me that is a stupid way of beliving in something, for the belif to be there you would have to go through something, like what happened to you.
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To get back on the the topic, my mom is very religious, she's been studying in religious school, praying every 5 times a day, and she tells me, only the devil would bring that kind of question into a child to ask for proof, then she asks me why were we created with a conscience so beautifully complicated with millions of body parts, that are made so perfectly to support our life on this planet, she tells me God created us and everything, the planets in the orbit the moon by our planet which supports Earth's the rotational gravity and keeps the water in the oceans, giving us perfect balance between day and night, and the sun which is far but close enough to give us beautiful seasons every year instead of letting us freeze or burn in its might , she says all these things have to be in order to support our life and our planet, and who keeps the order, God.
I'm sorry your mother was so repressed. To think that the devil puts thoughts into peoples heads and questions in their hearts is laughable. i'm sorry that your fear manifested the way it did.
In you I see who I USED to be....superstitious, timid, ignorant.
If you have faith in your god then you should be able to look at all things knowing that he will not let you stray unless it is his will to do so.
If your god cannot protect you from the sin that he claims you will be punished for then perhaps you should trade your god in for a better one or at least get an upgrade.
I know you are feeling anger and rage towards my words right now, but I say them in love. The light you fear is the light which shall wash away the shadows you call god.
Xander
Faith is a very handy thing to have and can definitely help one protect against the many setbacks they would experience in life. But blind faith is the religion of a fool. Why would one say it is evil to question? That would be the same as saying knowledge is evil. And the only way I can see knowledge being evil is for the dictator who keeps his people dumb in order to rule them.
I don't believe your god is such a dictator so it might be good if your mom would have an answer the next time she is asked that question instead of brushing it off as evil. Unless he really is the kind of god that would strike me down with lightning from the sky (or something less dramatic) for asking questions I don't see why I should be afraid. The way I see it god should be respected, not feared. And your gods moral teachings are definitely worth some respect.
Exactly Zab.
Oh and yes it is me. Kind of funny running into you here. Talk to me on a PM, I can't remember our last conversation on the AS board.
Im starting to think blind faith is created by devil, if god wanted us to be as developed and holy as we could be, then he would want us to question, In order for us to seek for answers. you really shoudn't think everything is the way it is because it has to be that way.
peopl really take the bible(and other holy scriptures) way to literally, the bible is a giant poem, you must understand the metahpors as they relay just as much info as the the "story" and message itself,
saying that the devil is what causes you to question belief is a copout. If that where true then everybody would be consumed by evil one time or another.
Im am certain that it is god who makes us question our own beliefs
You shouldn't believe and have faith in something, just because someone told you to.
Im certain god knows about the corruption in his church, and im sure he has not lost love for us all, but I don't think god will send us to hell for questioning the church and the "institutions", or even the dogmatic preachers at thier pulpits of power.
My moom cares deeply about me and I respect her for that, I only disagree the way she was taught, I wish she could me more open minded but you just can't change someone's views at her age.
Thanks ya all!
For karing about my experience, but let me remind you that I asked my mom giving her an impression as if I taught she was foolish to believe in something what no one can see. So at 10 years old I taught she was
getting a little too far to become mad, but now I understand that she only worried about me because she saw(overlooked) that I was denying my religion, or might grow up to be a nonbeliever. You know how parents can get sometimes whe they are worried, so I ask you not to
talk about her, and redirect your attenton to what happened in my room, because if I didn't ask her that question and did not go through that frightening experience, I believe I wouldn't have became so open minded or spiritually involwed.
When you're 10 years old, parents will tell you to not question their religion just as they will tell you to eat your peas. They do it because they believe it is good for you, and they believe that by making you do these things they will be forming what they consider to be good patterns of behaviour that will help you through your adult life. It's a form of conditioning, and is (mostly) done with good intentions.
I never did like peas, so I now choose not to eat them.
James.
Yeah I get it, and they raised me well, but what about demonic possession?
Common, some of you had to have seen the first "Exorcist" the scariest
movie of its times, and it still sends chills down my spine when I see it.
Has anyone experienced an encounter like I had? It wasn't just a house
with old wood you could hear cracking, something actually flew through me. What if it's still inside me, hiding in my conscience, I did feel more controll over my temper and feelings after that night,
usually ever since then I felt like I was reborn or something, or maybe it got out.
ya know, i actually found that movie almost laughable. the only part i found sad was when the priest took on the demon and then killed himself. but i didn't find it scary... maybe it's desensitization due to video games [|)].
but anyway, yes possessions happen, yes exorcisms happen. it's a fact of life (rather than a peculiarity) for some people.
~kakkarot
Yeah, ending part did leave me with anger ,the demon succeded in killing the priest and his partner, very sad and unjust.
But finding the movie funny, well, I dont understand, maybe cause the first time I saw it I was 8 and it was halloween[}:)].
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ya know, i actually found that movie almost laughable. the only part i found sad was when the priest took on the demon and then killed himself. but i didn't find it scary... maybe it's desensitization due to video games [|)].
As one of my favourite Terry Pratchet quotes goes -
"Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon..."
Mustard,
The kind of things you described in your opening post have far more to do with fear itsself than something that needs to be feared. Possession is in reality a very rare thing indeed. Makes for much better movies than it does real life events.
James.
Fear, emotion that can cause you to loose your mind.
I can't suppress it when its triggered by events or environment that I don't unederstand or have any controll of, which is normal, but can I fight it by using my own imagination to battle whatever the fear has manifasted in, yes and that's what I did. People who have nothing to fight their fear with, because of consumption of guilt or negative taughts might loose their mind, and I would have, if I didn't use something to stop it, but there was something other than my environment causing fear in my room, and that am sure of.
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..... but there was something other than my environment causing fear in my room, and that am sure of.
That may very well have been true. Without wanting to rehash a lot of recent discussions on negs, I do believe it is possible you were experiencing some kind of neg, something drawn to your fear, though still not likely to be something powrful enough to possess you. Children are often naturally more perceptive of things like this, otherworld beings' than adults are. It depends on how long it takes for adults to teach them how NOT to see them, and what society considers is real and what isn't.
James.
Hey, Mustard. Do you believe in ghosts? I do. Mostly because I had a similar experience, at least as far as being tormented by evil spirits goes. NEVER ATTEMPT AN EXORCISM IF YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! Can you guess what I did? Yeah. What happened: Okay, I was twelve and I had been dabbling in meditation and the such-like since I was ten. (not approved by my parents but how were they gonna know I was actually meditating. Anyway, there was always a precense in my house. My house was knew, but it had been built on what had been a farmer's field since 1812. Scary things happen in cornfields. Alright, so my astral sight grew stronger and I could sense them as they moved (there were three) - gotta go!!!
Sorry I had to leave so abruptly.[B)]Yeah. Where was I? Oh yes, the exorcism and such. I had gotten along alright with these evil spirits my entire life. I spent my young childhood being constantly aware of the evil on the land. It was not the house, but the land. I could get the feeling I was being watched anywhere in the yard. Back to story; we had sold our house and were moving. I actually knew the two ladies (sisters) who were going to live there. I didn't want to leave them to the spirits. (the spirits each had hang-out spots where they were the most but at least two could move around. And now that I think about it, their "hang-out spots" formed alne from north to south or what have you.) So me, stupid, arrogant, and full of good intentions, sauntered up to the spirit or whatever it was(how could a human sprit be so evil? I guess it could) and I commanded it to leave. Then I filled the room with cleansing energy and shaking, left. It hadn't left, but it was sitting in the corner like a cowering and defeated child. Things were quiet for about two weeks. Then I noticed that the spirit's prescense was growing stronger. Day by day it came back. At first, I only had the sensation that I was being watched, constantly although only inside the house at this point.
Then, (here's where it went drastically bad) the spirit I did not fear so much as find fascinating, clled my name. The voice was deep and fast. It was when I was crossing the hall Fernando (as I dubbed it he or she?) was at the usual spot at eh other end in my parents' bedroom doorway. For the first time, I couldn't only sense but I could see out of the corner of my eye Fernando. I tall hovering vaguely human shaped spirit made up of variations of black and grey. It's eyes stood out in my head and I could feel it watching me. It's eyes were, not black, just empty. Fascinating in the scariest way they could be. After standing for a few seconds in shock and disbelief, I ran to the kitchen where my mom was cooking. My dad and sister weren't home. And asked her if she said any thing or made a loud noise. As usual, she gave me that why-are-you-asking-me-this look with a bit of annoyance. I went back to the hallway and walked past it several times, seeing how far I could turn my head before Fernando disappeared and I could only sense it. I shall call the ghosts either he or she from now on since "it" is so degrading and the spirit that was just watching me as I'm typing this (it left now) was wondering why I'm not going about usualroutine of watching what's on now? ah, .Hack/sign wasn't paying attention to the TV serving as my sound guard against typing, It's 12:08 AM. Heh, insomniacal me. Alright so I experimented like this for a while, and then my formerly arrogant self flicked him off and went into my room, insisting that I walk so as not to show Fernando that I was afraid. I've been typing for some time now and I must be boring you, though, should you like to hear the rest of my story (it is long and there is much more to it, oh yes..., and that is why I am not going to type it all now, for it went on for months) I ask you to remember that I am not now as I was then, now I am wiser, braver, less arrogant, and I now have a bit of a knack for dealing with spirits. Though, I am far from where I would like to be.
Wow, you sure know how to write long.
Well since we have something in common like watching "Adult Swim"
I will tell you my real nickname for the first time ever on this
site get ready tan tan taaaaaan, it's Ekoe (it's in a different language,I immigrated from Europe[|)]) the 'e' is silent.[:P]
So you can sense negative or positive spirits, hmmmmmm, first of all thanks for reading and replying to my topics, I appreciate it from comming from you, thanks[;)].
Sure I'd like to hear more experiences, oh and how can you stand the negative vibes from bad entities, they scare the hell out off me,
do you have any tips on making the negative energy go away?
[B)]Yeah,I do have some tips that seem to work for me. If the negative energies seem conscious of you, talking to them as a normal-everyday-person will baffle the less intelligent ones. Con: the smart ones won't leave you alone once you acknowledge them. You can also use chi to make them go away, though the way I do it isn't very efficient, it's just basically pushing positive chi in their general direction. Don't threaten, but asking them to go away politely works for the ones who aren't all that evil that can understand you. If they really bother you, you can call on a higher power, or if none of those work, ignore. I don't recommend trying to find out what they want unless your prepared for them to bother you constantly (learned all these from experience, I was "haunted" for about four months after the attempted exorcism, and even followed to my new house and everywhere I went.)[:(] You asked about more of my experiences? Okay, here's one, I'll try to be brief. Two nights in a row I woke up to find the spirit in my room had formed itself into a shadow on my wall. It walked across the wall, across the window blinds. By this time I was sitting up in bed blinking trying to make it go away and hitting myself in the arm to make sure I was fully awake. The shadow got to the other side of the wall when I couldn't stand it anymore and turned on the light. The shadow went away and I kept on the light to keep it away and to prove to myself in the morning that it had happened. Sick feeling in stomach when I woke up two mornings in a row with the light on. The shadow was hunched over, and bobbed up and down slightly as it moved. I named this kind of spirit a "Dark Shadow" in my rankings of the four types of negative entities I've identified, they're the worst and most influential in the physical level. Usually, only very young children see them, and I've read when researching ghosts and such that moving shadows of people are a kind of demon?! Can anyone fill me in on that?[xx(]
I psted a topic called WLSCoast to CoastA.M.!!shadow people!!.
You should ckeck it out, it has a bunch of stories with others who had encounters with shadow people. Thanks for the tip![|)]
No matter how you look at it, priests really perform exorcisms on possessed humans. Well, why does it happend? I'll tell you why, many reasons but one from my experience-people who live through depressing life day after day, start loosing fate in God/Allah and they stop believing in him , so when they go to sleep at night,( you remember sometimes when you get that fear of something hiding in your room, and you wrap yourself in your bed sheets hoping to fall asleep, and pray to God\Allah that it goes away, well it does), but for those people who don't believe in God\Allah try to, at the last second reedem their beliefs hoping it(demon) would go away, but then guilt and fear of what might really happend for abandoning their beliefs strikes them and consumes them really bad, so the demon gets one chance like that to enter and obliterate the helpless soul, forcing it to do its will. As for my experience, long time ago when I was 10 years old, I asked my mom why did she believe in God\Allah, or why should I belive in God\Allah, she looked at me like she was gona beat
the crap out of me, well I did ask it as if I waited for proof right there on the spot, so she told me to pray for forgiveness for my soul for denying God\Allah's existance before I went to sleep, but I didn't.
That night was something I'll never forget for the rest of my life.
I heard cracks and got that terrible feeling through my whole body, a tingling horrific sensation manifasted by something in my room.
It was there, I swear on my life, something evil was there. I repeated
God\Allah please save me over and over like a hundred times untill I felt this thing fly through my body that froze at that moment. And I fell asleep. When I woke up in the morning I felt sudden outburst of happines to be alive. I had a similar feeling to what I read about on how does enlightment feel.
So next time when you start asking unethicall questions about God\Allah
and start questioning if he really exists, be afraid, be very afraid.