Hi, not sure where to put this.
Has anyone astral travelled to the near-future and seen what political organisations run the world? In Robert Monroe's book, Ultimate Journey, he said he met a "he-she" that said:
He-She: "I can give you what you call a ROTE about that, about a plan that doesn't involve communism or socialism, capitalism or dictatorship."
Robert Monroe: "They say it can't be done."
"That is what makes it worth the effort. It needs a unified worldwide human endeavor. This will happen through recognized necessity, not through religions, race, or political beliefs, or force of arms."
"Necessity is severe stuff. The world would have to be in rough shape."
"That is the reason for waiting. The time will come."
"But worldwide, humans have never agreed on anything."
There was a sudden surge of energy, similar to what I had felt previously. As it faded, I knew the ROTE was in place, ready to be unrolled when the time was right.
Has anyone seen what this is? What does it look like? How and when does this get implemented?
Cheers.
Hi,
You could watch China and India, wait until 2031 then understand more. A great war would ensue.
Its a possibility, I think Nostradamus writings suggest it, not sure...
Its not too near future but it has to start somewhere. Maybe a political analyst could throw better light on this topic.
Heshe's explanation is really vague and even conflicted. He talks about decentralization and at the same time expects people to unify.
That's not at all how I would handle things. Expecting enemies to unite is an offense against both sides, and it's mostly what criminals do when they want to exploit a culture ("come unify under our criminal agenda"). I think the ideal plan would be for people to split up into cause-driven organizations, and fix (or fight out) their conflicts from there.
I actually did go to the future once when I followed someone through a warp. The place I saw was mostly trees everywhere and some dirt roads, but no indication of the social state. Thing is, the future is different from place to place. For instance the future of Brazil will probably be different from the future of Egypt, and some places have remained the same for thousands of years while others changed drastically. The same could be said for the future of humanity, thus my idea of splitting into organizations with no central rule.
I did find out one thing while I was in the future: Several organizations can traverse the time fields and carry out tasks in different time periods. Heshe may have been aware of this. And modern humanity has never had any central order - just several criminal groups fighting for control like wolves fighting over a corpse. Different groups seem to gain dominance over different time periods and places.
Great post, Zareste.
Do you think He-She was talking about a world government, or a global community? Are you saying we shouldn't take He-She's word for it? Is He-she suspect? Political philosophers have thought out perhaps nearly every system available (just Google the amount of theorised political concepts - there are just so many that have never been implemented), and it seems rather confusing as to what it could be.
Also, Robert Monroe saw the Earth in the year 3000 and there weren't any buildings - just nature, but it was that way on purpose. But, I'm more interested in knowing about everything the next two hundred years. Have you seen the world in 50 years time from now? What would the situation be with the world's oil supply? I think that if he-she is right, then a major change would happen in the next 50 years.
Does anyone else have anymore information?
Cheers.
Listen to all the native people.
Indians, mayans, aborginals etc they all speak of the same thing.
People on earth will unify and it will become one again.
Natural disasters will occur and wave of energies will come (is at this moment coming).
We will live with nature as we once did.
I long for that day.
New world order is what we have today. people just don't realize it.
Too many conspiracies out there to keep people in fear mode.
i see the NWO as just something we need to go through to get a startrek lifestyle
:NoY:
What I remember from Monroe's books on the future of humans was , a small population of highly advanced people that could create what they wanted , and leave there body when they wanted . I dont remember a "he-she" , and I dont think highly advanced people would need much of a goverment. desert rat
Quote from: Mr. Brightside on October 19, 2012, 07:46:19
Do you think He-She was talking about a world government, or a global community? Are you saying we shouldn't take He-She's word for it? Is He-she suspect? Political philosophers have thought out perhaps nearly every system available (just Google the amount of theorised political concepts - there are just so many that have never been implemented), and it seems rather confusing as to what it could be.
Also, Robert Monroe saw the Earth in the year 3000 and there weren't any buildings - just nature, but it was that way on purpose. But, I'm more interested in knowing about everything the next two hundred years. Have you seen the world in 50 years time from now? What would the situation be with the world's oil supply? I think that if he-she is right, then a major change would happen in the next 50 years.
Interesting. Sounds like Monroe saw the future similar to me. I don't know how for into the future I was, but I'm sure it was at least a few centuries. An organization had setup their base in that time period because it was convenient, I guess because the world isn't in chaos in the future.
While some people can see the future, it's a little complicated because the future can be changed, and so the future Monroe saw may be different when humanity in general reaches it. The science behind this is a little wonky but, in short, all time periods are organized into local fields, which most of us fall through in a linear fashion. Some people have methods to artificially tunnel through these fields and go to different times much like going to different places. Thus we have a 'current' future which is subject to change, but we may hit a slightly different future when it happens, and that's why people often have premonitions of events that turn out slightly different from what they foresaw.
So, nobody is certain what the future will be like when humanity hits it.
Heshe seems a little suspicious, but I can't say he's wrong, given such little information. Some people say he's behind the open source software movement and other similar things. Decentralization, which I like. But expecting everyone to unite over something means trouble.
Our current social systems - theoretical and applied - have one fatal flaw: They expect everyone to follow an "all for one, one for all" philosophy, which is just nutty when you have a conflicted society like this. When everyone is expected to work for everyone else, that means they have to work for people they hate, and toward agendas they hate. Once again you're telling two enemies to work together, which is an offense against both sides. It doesn't work.
Evidently, our current future has a much smaller human population. There are several groups that want to kill masses of people, not to restore order but to make way for an even worse, more degenerate society. Plus they just like killing people. They seem to be getting their way in the near-future. Howard Storm talked to them in his account and they said they would be committing their massacre within 75 years (this was around 1985 when they said this)
What is the name of the book by Monroe where he talks about this time travel/future experience?
The future of humanity has nothing to do with any government... world or otherwise.
The future of humanity is entirely up to each individual who uses this reality in order to grow the quality of their consciousness. Whatever happens on this Earth, humanity will always survive in one way or another... that's why no single group (or anything else of this physical reality) can have any impact upon us. The only impact that can really happen is if this planet is destroyed completely, as in no life can exist here what-so-ever. But even in such a scenario, it's still not important... because consciousness lives on, and you'll simply move on to somewhere else in order to continue learning/experiencing/growing.
I believe the book referenced here is his third book, "Ultimate Journeys".
Thanks. I'll try get a copy.
It's actually a free PDF you can get with some searching
Quote from: zareste on October 19, 2012, 15:51:43
Interesting. Sounds like Monroe saw the future similar to me. I don't know how for into the future I was, but I'm sure it was at least a few centuries. An organization had setup their base in that time period because it was convenient, I guess because the world isn't in chaos in the future.
While some people can see the future, it's a little complicated because the future can be changed, and so the future Monroe saw may be different when humanity in general reaches it. The science behind this is a little wonky but, in short, all time periods are organized into local fields, which most of us fall through in a linear fashion. Some people have methods to artificially tunnel through these fields and go to different times much like going to different places. Thus we have a 'current' future which is subject to change, but we may hit a slightly different future when it happens, and that's why people often have premonitions of events that turn out slightly different from what they foresaw.
So, nobody is certain what the future will be like when humanity hits it.
Heshe seems a little suspicious, but I can't say he's wrong, given such little information. Some people say he's behind the open source software movement and other similar things. Decentralization, which I like. But expecting everyone to unite over something means trouble.
Our current social systems - theoretical and applied - have one fatal flaw: They expect everyone to follow an "all for one, one for all" philosophy, which is just nutty when you have a conflicted society like this. When everyone is expected to work for everyone else, that means they have to work for people they hate, and toward agendas they hate. Once again you're telling two enemies to work together, which is an offense against both sides. It doesn't work.
Evidently, our current future has a much smaller human population. There are several groups that want to kill masses of people, not to restore order but to make way for an even worse, more degenerate society. Plus they just like killing people. They seem to be getting their way in the near-future. Howard Storm talked to them in his account and they said they would be committing their massacre within 75 years (this was around 1985 when they said this)
Wow, I didn't know people thought He-she was behind open source... who says this? And, who do they think it is? It's definitely not Eric Raymond...
To doubt He-she, means that you'd have to bring into question Monroe's INSPEC (which is himself), as it was the INSPEC that located He-She (the most "advanced being on the planet"). I wish Monroe went into more detail.
What are your thoughts on open-source governance?
Yeah, no buildings in the future, and there are little people on it, but not for another 1000 years.
Quote from: Xanth on October 20, 2012, 00:11:27
The future of humanity has nothing to do with any government... world or otherwise.
The future of humanity is entirely up to each individual who uses this reality in order to grow the quality of their consciousness. Whatever happens on this Earth, humanity will always survive in one way or another... that's why no single group (or anything else of this physical reality) can have any impact upon us. The only impact that can really happen is if this planet is destroyed completely, as in no life can exist here what-so-ever. But even in such a scenario, it's still not important... because consciousness lives on, and you'll simply move on to somewhere else in order to continue learning/experiencing/growing.
I believe the book referenced here is his third book, "Ultimate Journeys".
What do you mean by this?: "The future of humanity has nothing to do with any government... world or otherwise."
Do you mean we shouldn't rely on government, and/or there won't be any government? If the latter, at which point do we reach a society with no government? Do you not believe He-she? If not, why? I'm just curious, that's all.
Quote from: Mr. Brightside on October 20, 2012, 06:34:52
What do you mean by this?: "The future of humanity has nothing to do with any government... world or otherwise."
Do you mean we shouldn't rely on government, and/or there won't be any government? If the latter, at which point do we reach a society with no government? Do you not believe He-she? If not, why? I'm just curious, that's all.
I'm saying that spiritual growth has absolutely nothing to do with anything physical in this reality. It has to do entirely with yourself and your interactions with other consciousnesses here. That doesn't include anything such as money, government, war, etc...
"If you can live and grow spiritually regardless of the environment around you... then you've won. Be it government, wars, humanity... you *CAN* live and grow spiritually. The only person who stops you is *YOU*."
Nothing else really matters.
Eventually thing such as "governments" will cease to be required, because people will have awakened.
As for He-she... yeah, I guess you could say I believe it. Remember, when you look at life from a spiritual perspective, everything changes completely. You're not a physical human having a spiritual experience, you're a spiritual being having a human experience.
Hi,
A site worth a visit...
http://esotericonline.net/docs/index.php?dir=L2RvY3MvbGlicmFyeS9Bc3RyYWwgUHJvamVjdGlvbg==
Just found it.
Quote from: Mr. Brightside on October 20, 2012, 06:32:25Wow, I didn't know people thought He-she was behind open source... who says this? And, who do they think it is? It's definitely not Eric Raymond...
I saw a website that theorizes which movements Heshe is behind. I didn't get any cross-references so it's hard to say how reliable the theories are. I'm certainly in favor of the open source movement though.
QuoteTo doubt He-she, means that you'd have to bring into question Monroe's INSPEC (which is himself), as it was the INSPEC that located He-She (the most "advanced being on the planet"). I wish Monroe went into more detail.
It certainly would be nice to have more details. Monroe only asked a few questions and seemed satisfied with such short answers. I would have had a big list ready.
Heshe is said to be an organizer and his age is a good credential, but we don't know whether he can solve culture-wide problems, let alone planetary ones. Maybe he can, but, we just don't know that from here.
I wonder, sometimes, if Monroe is hiding some things, or a lot of things. His conversations in the astral seem too simple and short. I personally go into telepathic trances sometimes, and communicate with beings and databases from the outside. In about 10 seconds I can get a rush of information that takes several pages for me to explain later in text, and I get sounds and images and everything. Monroe speaks with these entities and only comes back with a short word-for-word conversation. It just seems 'off' to me.
For Monroe, I'm sure the experience was much more detailed... but remember, he had to put things into words in order to write a book for people to understand.
I'm sure his experiences were much more detailed. We just can never know, in its entirety, what those experiences actually were, because we're not him. :)
Quote from: zareste on October 20, 2012, 21:41:07
I saw a website that theorizes which movements Heshe is behind. I didn't get any cross-references so it's hard to say how reliable the theories are. I'm certainly in favor of the open source movement though.
It certainly would be nice to have more details. Monroe only asked a few questions and seemed satisfied with such short answers. I would have had a big list ready.
Heshe is said to be an organizer and his age is a good credential, but we don't know whether he can solve culture-wide problems, let alone planetary ones. Maybe he can, but, we just don't know that from here.
I wonder, sometimes, if Monroe is hiding some things, or a lot of things. His conversations in the astral seem too simple and short. I personally go into telepathic trances sometimes, and communicate with beings and databases from the outside. In about 10 seconds I can get a rush of information that takes several pages for me to explain later in text, and I get sounds and images and everything. Monroe speaks with these entities and only comes back with a short word-for-word conversation. It just seems 'off' to me.
What website was this? What movements and organisations do you think He-she is behind? Please don't say Monsanto... lol. I find it hard to believe, though, that He-she was/is a psychiatric councilor.
Yeah, Monroe left a lot out on purpose, but the reasons why are subject to debate. Oh, so many questions.
Quote from: Mr. Brightside on October 21, 2012, 00:41:54
What website was this? What movements and organisations do you think He-she is behind? Please don't say Monsanto... lol. I find it hard to believe, though, that He-she was/is a psychiatric councilor.
Yeah, Monroe left a lot out on purpose, but the reasons why are subject to debate. Oh, so many questions.
Remember though... ultimately, none of it matters in the slightest.
Quote from: Xanth on October 20, 2012, 11:03:39
I'm saying that spiritual growth has absolutely nothing to do with anything physical in this reality. It has to do entirely with yourself and your interactions with other consciousnesses here. That doesn't include anything such as money, government, war, etc...
"If you can live and grow spiritually regardless of the environment around you... then you've won. Be it government, wars, humanity... you *CAN* live and grow spiritually. The only person who stops you is *YOU*."
Nothing else really matters.
Eventually thing such as "governments" will cease to be required, because people will have awakened.
As for He-she... yeah, I guess you could say I believe it. Remember, when you look at life from a spiritual perspective, everything changes completely. You're not a physical human having a spiritual experience, you're a spiritual being having a human experience.
Yes, but your physical environments/genetics plays a role in your actual being/consciousness. Moreover, your actual being, in turn, affects your surroundings.
We all use money - unless you can live off the grid. If you don't, you starve. When you starve, you suffer, and then your brain ("physical" - well, technically nothing is) will make you irritable. This can be avoided if you are like the He-She being that didn't/doesn't need to eat food. If we can reach that point, I think we'd be living in paradise, whether or not you believe paradise is a good or a bad thing.
By your word, "required", you've indirectly said that governments, at this point in time, are justified. If you don't believe in government, you should have said, "governments will cease to be." and leave it at the period. I am not saying whether governments or not are justified; I am looking at this objectively.
Now, my question relating to my OP: if you believe in He-She's existence, and that He-She is legit, then what was He-She trying to organise? What type of society? No government? Okay, what type of society? There are many forms of anarchism; which one? This isn't just a "do whatever" society that He-She is - along with others, do doubt - planning. It seems to be structural in some way.
Whether you think it's good, bad, necessary, and/or unnecessary, I'm just asking the question: what will it look like? There are plans, and, yes, I may or may not need to know these things, but I am simply asking a question. If you would be so kind (if you know what it is), could you please provide an answer. That's all. Thanks.
QuoteRemember though... ultimately, none of it matters in the slightest.
But, I don't know if it does or doesn't make the slightest of difference. I am asking a question; if you wish to provide answers, great, please do; if not, then fine. In saying it like that, it is, by it's very statement, pointless.
Quote from: Mr. Brightside on October 21, 2012, 01:44:31Now, my question relating to my OP: if you believe in He-She's existence, and that He-She is legit, then what was He-She trying to organise? What type of society? No government? Okay, what type of society? There are many forms of anarchism; which one? This isn't just a "do whatever" society that He-She is - along with others, do doubt - planning. It seems to be structural in some way.
I might give a bit of info here, even though none of us seem to know what Heshe is up to.
Our governments are not actually... governments. This is one of the biggest media/marketing tricks, and even the rebels are fooled by it. What we consider to be the governments are really just a set of loosely connected criminal hierarchies who don't actually conduct any leadership (aside from telling soldiers who to kill) and have no intention of keeping any kind of order. They are the sole source of disorder.
Essentially, we've been in a state of anarchy for thousands of years, and those guys in the suits on TV are the anarchists.
I think Heshe would be aware of this, and that's what he's talking about with his vision of social order. People don't need the so-called governments watching them any more than a mouse needs a snake watching it. But even though Heshe knows some things, that of course doesn't mean he's one of the good guys. In fact he admits that he's a trickster. Imagine if you had lots of esoteric information, and an urge to trick people into doing stupid things for your enjoyment. Bad stuff would happen. It's even worse if the trickster has a lot of information that people would want.
Quote from: Mr. Brightside on October 21, 2012, 01:44:31
Yes, but your physical environments/genetics plays a role in your actual being/consciousness. Moreover, your actual being, in turn, affects your surroundings.
We all use money - unless you can live off the grid. If you don't, you starve. When you starve, you suffer, and then your brain ("physical" - well, technically nothing is) will make you irritable. This can be avoided if you are like the He-She being that didn't/doesn't need to eat food. If we can reach that point, I think we'd be living in paradise, whether or not you believe paradise is a good or a bad thing.
By your word, "required", you've indirectly said that governments, at this point in time, are justified. If you don't believe in government, you should have said, "governments will cease to be." and leave it at the period. I am not saying whether governments or not are justified; I am looking at this objectively.
Now, my question relating to my OP: if you believe in He-She's existence, and that He-She is legit, then what was He-She trying to organise? What type of society? No government? Okay, what type of society? There are many forms of anarchism; which one? This isn't just a "do whatever" society that He-She is - along with others, do doubt - planning. It seems to be structural in some way.
Whether you think it's good, bad, necessary, and/or unnecessary, I'm just asking the question: what will it look like? There are plans, and, yes, I may or may not need to know these things, but I am simply asking a question. If you would be so kind (if you know what it is), could you please provide an answer. That's all. Thanks.
But, I don't know if it does or doesn't make the slightest of difference. I am asking a question; if you wish to provide answers, great, please do; if not, then fine. In saying it like that, it is, by it's very statement, pointless.
I can't provide answers, only perspectives.
Now, look at everything you just said... and try to consider it from the point of view of only spirit (personal living and growth). How much of that *REALLY* matters?
Quote from: zareste on October 21, 2012, 06:14:23
I might give a bit of info here, even though none of us seem to know what Heshe is up to.
Our governments are not actually... governments. This is one of the biggest media/marketing tricks, and even the rebels are fooled by it. What we consider to be the governments are really just a set of loosely connected criminal hierarchies who don't actually conduct any leadership (aside from telling soldiers who to kill) and have no intention of keeping any kind of order. They are the sole source of disorder.
Essentially, we've been in a state of anarchy for thousands of years, and those guys in the suits on TV are the anarchists.
I understand what you mean, but nothing of the nature of this social order has been explained, which -- again, I understand you don't know -- doesn't do much justice to your statement. You may call governments criminal organisations, but, whether or not they are good or evil, etc, they are, in the end, governing bodies, and thus governments. I wouldn't call them anarchists. If you want to read up on anarchism, read stuff from, say, Noam Chomsky - he's on the left side of anarchism.
This is what I am getting at: if it is anarchism that He-She is promoting, then what type of anarchism? It wouldn't be a loose, free-for-all anarchism; there would be some structures in place, given that it's a "worldwide endeavor".
Third, not everything the government does - and, not everyone in the government - is bad. There are some genuine people doing good things. Don't get me wrong, I know that there is an immense amount of corruption in governments, and, given the fact that we have separated our world into nations, there is fighting.
And, as I asked before, "What website was this? What movements and organisations do you think He-she is behind? Please don't say Monsanto... lol. I find it hard to believe, though, that He-she was/is a psychiatric councilor."
QuoteI think Heshe would be aware of this, and that's what he's talking about with his vision of social order. People don't need the so-called governments watching them any more than a mouse needs a snake watching it. But even though Heshe knows some things, that of course doesn't mean he's one of the good guys. In fact he admits that he's a trickster. Imagine if you had lots of esoteric information, and an urge to trick people into doing stupid things for your enjoyment. Bad stuff would happen. It's even worse if the trickster has a lot of information that people would want.
I think He-she said it "amused and confused". As a university lecturer, He-she could have introduced various theories that were based on, say, paradoxes. These paradoxes, although false, would actually make the students think outside the box and become smarter, and, in a utilitarian manner, the students benefit from the false theories. They would become smarter as they would have to think harder, and criticize theories, in new and complex ways. Moreover, He-She would b enjoying itself in the process... nothing wrong there.
Right. I'm just pointing out that the people promoting themselves as governments right now are not governments. This isn't quite the same as saying governments are criminals or that they aren't a governing force.
I found that site about Heshe in a web search a while ago. I never kept a link of it anywhere.
Does anyone else have something to add?
Cheers.
It would appear that history would repeat itself.. the far future is plenty of forest and trees and small population of people who are very metaphysical.. aren't we like this in the ancient times?
The problem with government is that those wanting to be in a high enough position within government to make a change or have power to do so, needed to have climbed the political ladder. This generally means that they would have to climb the ladder without being influenced by the snakes that are there on the way up and it's not a stretch to conclude that politics is a writhing snake pit with very few ladders. How could they get to the top and still maintain pure intent to be right and just?
Leadership would be best taken by those who don't want to be leaders.
This creates a dichotomy that can only be resolved by a specific change in overall quality of consciousness and as Xanth is points out, is best left to our individual selves to evolve... not a sudden mass paradigm shift in consciousness. Which is a lovely idea but a total fallacy.
Keep in mind however, the snakes that run our institutions are serving the System like most everyone else. They are no different than the majority of mainstream society. The average individual of mainstream society would most likely do the exact same things the snakes are doing if they were in their position. Actually, the average individual already does the exact same things our corrupt institutions do as well as the people who run them. It's just that institutions have a much bigger target on their back because, well, they are BIG. :wink: We compete and conspire against others all the time for the purpose of serving ourselves before serving others. This is the nature of the current System we have in place. But you are right, we cannot change the System. We must change ourselves, and when we change ourselves then the System will change as a result.
Quote from: ForrestDean on October 26, 2012, 11:00:09They are no different than the majority of mainstream society.
Boy that's just plain wrong. The people heading these hierarchies are literally a different breed and culture from normal people. They've kept their degenerate bloodlines apart from ours for thousands of years and will not ever interact with normal people as equals. A few of them have even tried but were killed or outcast by the other degenerates for breaking the status quo. They don't think or act anything like normal people do, and they view functioning people and cultures as nothing but targets.
Quote from: zareste on October 27, 2012, 06:41:39
Boy that's just plain wrong. The people heading these hierarchies are literally a different breed and culture from normal people. They've kept their degenerate bloodlines apart from ours for thousands of years and will not ever interact with normal people as equals. A few of them have even tried but were killed or outcast by the other degenerates for breaking the status quo. They don't think or act anything like normal people do, and they view functioning people and cultures as nothing but targets.
Hmm, I see. So is this a problem?
Quote from: zareste on October 27, 2012, 06:41:39
Boy that's just plain wrong. The people heading these hierarchies are literally a different breed and culture from normal people. They've kept their degenerate bloodlines apart from ours for thousands of years and will not ever interact with normal people as equals. A few of them have even tried but were killed or outcast by the other degenerates for breaking the status quo. They don't think or act anything like normal people do, and they view functioning people and cultures as nothing but targets.
It has nothing to do with anything metaphysical though (if that's what you're trying to say).
They're not a different breed or culture from "normal" people (whatever normal is lol), they just haven't learned to work through their ego.
In essence... they're just jerks. LoL
All the money in the world won't give you one iota of power. Power isn't anything physically attainable.
Quote from: Xanth on October 27, 2012, 12:50:09
All the money in the world won't give you one iota of power. Power isn't anything physically attainable.
No, but it feeds their hunger and that alone fuels their greed even further!
Quote from: Lionheart on October 27, 2012, 18:16:36
No, but it feeds their hunger and that alone fuels their greed even further!
Yeah, but that's really not your problem. That's THEIR failing.
You are only responsible for yourself. Not what other people do because of their lack of growth. :)
Don't take the world and every inhabitant onto your shoulders. It's a weight nobody can, or should have to bare.
Quote from: ForrestDean on October 27, 2012, 11:52:40Hmm, I see. So is this a problem?
I'd say so. Obviously the rest of us aren't perfect - we've been degenerating for thousands of years alongside them and have become rather nutty ourselves. The problem is that sometimes a branch of the gene pool starts to develop predatory habits, or other habits which are self-destructive in the long run, and these behaviors ought to be fixed or the degenerate branch will continue to evolve in a predatory direction and become more and more proficient at it. One day they'll exhaust their resources and descend into physical and mental decay until they're forced to attack the other cultures, sometimes winning and enslaving and interbreeding with the other cultures. Effectively they will drag everyone down with them, turning everyone else degenerate, and it's a no-win situation because the new bigger bunch of degenerates will deplete their resources and start targeting more cultures.
So, if a degenerate branch can't be changed in an easy fashion, they eventually have to be euthanized. Deciding which branches and behaviors are 'degenerate' is a very tough judgment call.
Most of our problems come from late Egypt and early Europe. In short, a few degenerate breeds showed up and were not eliminated in a timely fashion, so they developed until they were able to conquer the stable breeds. Some of the degenerates interbred with the conquered cultures, while others (who led to the European monarchies, for instance) kept their bloodlines to themselves but degenerated all cultures around them with deceitful and warmongering behaviors.
Because these degenerates defected from some very developed cultures, they were able to spread their reign to countries beyond Europe. Fast-forward a few thousand years and we have our situation today.
The plans to kill off 98% of the population may sound like a solution to some people (Xanth has been sending positive vibes toward it) But the people behind the operation are much worse than the general human public - if you can imagine that. They're like that kid who burns animals, and thinks you're crazy because you're negative toward burning animals. They come up with various reasons for killing people, but really they just like to see things die and will keep it up until the ecosystem finds a solution to them.
Hi,
Maybe the eco system itself is the answer. In China a few years ago a limit was placed on child bearing. An attempt to slow the population growth. In nature the old fox and rabbit line of thought comes toind. Eith humanity it could easily be us against the evo system. Imagine the effect of a few large volcanoes erupting. Or the limits of supply and demand being breached. Civil war in search of sustenance. That alone is enough to reduce the overall numbers. Not a pleasant thought.
It may have happened to the Mayans, speculations exist supporting this. We have a superior technology of kinds but what use is it if everyone wants monetary rewards? The ozarks and similar may seem behind the times, are these groups actually the overall winners.
We're too conditioned to actually see the big picture through commerce etc. Its too late when the walls come tumbling down...
Maybe the A-board carriers displaying "we're all doomed" have made a valid point. Time will tell...
I just finished a Phase session where again I was just basking the 3D vastness and a thought came to me to try and send some good energy to make the violent "Frankenstorm", as they call it, avoid the east coast all together. Immediately I saw a scene with Dinosaurs of all kinds roaming the Earth. i saw them terrorizing mankind. Then all of a sudden a Meteor hit and all was wiped out. In the next scene man was once again, but this time peacefully rebuilding on the Earth. Then I was shown a violent volcano going off and wiping out a village, but again the aftermath was a bigger village was made, and the volcano had cut grooves enough to create a new water supply for the village. Next I was shown a devastating Tornado hitting a home and demolishing it, just to see the next scene of the family, together with their friends rebuilding. Next was a home on fire, again the cut scene after was of a family coming together and rebuilding. Every one of these destruction scenes had a "silver" lining. The Meteor that wiped out the Dinosaurs could be seen as good because there is no way man would have what we have today with vicious 20 ft. creatures wondering around eating everyone. The Volcano event as devastating as it was, cut a path so water could be brought to an even bigger rebuilt village. The Tornado and the fire brought families and friends together. It showed the love they had for one another.
So, in the the end I changed my intent to sending good energy to the people that are going to be challenged by this approaching storm. That they may realize the severity and get out of the way. That they may be safe during this experience.
Mother Nature is going to do what she always does, it's really just our enormous population that has gotten in the way.
Well I guess my Phasing drought is over! :-)
Quote from: zareste on October 27, 2012, 19:02:28
I'd say so. Obviously the rest of us aren't perfect - we've been degenerating for thousands of years alongside them and have become rather nutty ourselves. The problem is that sometimes a branch of the gene pool starts to develop predatory habits, or other habits which are self-destructive in the long run, and these behaviors ought to be fixed or the degenerate branch will continue to evolve in a predatory direction and become more and more proficient at it. One day they'll exhaust their resources and descend into physical and mental decay until they're forced to attack the other cultures, sometimes winning and enslaving and interbreeding with the other cultures. Effectively they will drag everyone down with them, turning everyone else degenerate, and it's a no-win situation because the new bigger bunch of degenerates will deplete their resources and start targeting more cultures.
So, if a degenerate branch can't be changed in an easy fashion, they eventually have to be euthanized. Deciding which branches and behaviors are 'degenerate' is a very tough judgment call.
Most of our problems come from late Egypt and early Europe. In short, a few degenerate breeds showed up and were not eliminated in a timely fashion, so they developed until they were able to conquer the stable breeds. Some of the degenerates interbred with the conquered cultures, while others (who led to the European monarchies, for instance) kept their bloodlines to themselves but degenerated all cultures around them with deceitful and warmongering behaviors.
Because these degenerates defected from some very developed cultures, they were able to spread their reign to countries beyond Europe. Fast-forward a few thousand years and we have our situation today.
The plans to kill off 98% of the population may sound like a solution to some people (Xanth has been sending positive vibes toward it) But the people behind the operation are much worse than the general human public - if you can imagine that. They're like that kid who burns animals, and thinks you're crazy because you're negative toward burning animals. They come up with various reasons for killing people, but really they just like to see things die and will keep it up until the ecosystem finds a solution to them.
Well if this is a problem and something one does not wish to experience, then why focus on it? Why not take what you have learned so far, and just let it go and focus on something else?
Try focusing on a flower while someone is piercing you with a long needle.
That's one of those things a lot of us learned when we were 3 or so.
Quote from: zareste on October 27, 2012, 23:07:17
Try focusing on a flower while someone is piercing you with a long needle.
But there's no one piercinig me with a long needle at this moment. At this moment the sky is clear and the moon is bright. Which perspective do you prefer? There is always a choice. Always.
Also, there is absolutely nothing anyone or anything can do to you without your agreement, whether conscious of it or not. You have exclusive power over your own reality.
Quote from: zareste on October 27, 2012, 23:07:17
That's one of those things a lot of us learned when we were 3 or so.
Exactly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jeREy7Pbc :wink:
That Yoda, so wise! He handles the fear based scenarios pretty good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIr1fjjjFQQ&feature=related
I prefer to have standards, personally. What you're doing is not actually making you feel better, but lowering your standards of happiness to the point that it's inseparable from misery. This is why we have people who enjoy setting fire to animals or cutting themselves. They're okay with it. Their concept of happiness is the same as their concept of pain.
Now, if I tried to get rid of you two, in order to inch humanity a little closer to being objectively happy instead of having to love pain, you would take offense and become violent in return. You wouldn't actually set there and think happy thoughts while I do nasty things to you. So, your urge to fight and take violent action is certainly there. It's just directed at the good guys while you're okay with the bad guys.
Quote from: Lionheart on October 28, 2012, 00:46:10
That Yoda, so wise! He handles the fear based scenarios pretty good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIr1fjjjFQQ&feature=related
Hehe, yeah Yoda, Morpheus, and the Oracle always has some enlightening pearls of wisdom. 8-)
Quote from: zareste on October 28, 2012, 01:49:24
What you're doing is not actually making you feel better, but lowering your standards of happiness to the point that it's inseparable from misery. This is why we have people who enjoy setting fire to animals or cutting themselves. They're okay with it. Their concept of happiness is the same as their concept of pain.
Ahh yes. I'm sure there are many who do this. Most likely because they have deeply attached themselves to the illusion of this reality and they believe there is no escape.
Quote from: zareste on October 28, 2012, 01:49:24
Now, if I tried to get rid of you two, in order to inch humanity a little closer to being objectively happy instead of having to love pain, you would take offense and become violent in return. You wouldn't actually set there and think happy thoughts while I do nasty things to you. So, your urge to fight and take violent action is certainly there. It's just directed at the good guys while you're okay with the bad guys.
Yeah, the ego has many many layers. It's very much like peeling a very large onion. Awareness is one of the major factors in subjugating the ego. Awareness is key in almost if not every aspect of our life. For example how many times does one notice they scratch an itch on their nose or their arm. It is the ego's subconscious knee jerk reaction to seek relief from that itch. Something as subtle as an itch may seem somewhat insignificant, but many times it's the subtleties that have the greatest effect. To those who have a high level of awareness of every moment of their experience will be aware of the itch before the ego has a chance to take control. At that point the individual can make a choice. There is also an excellent opportunity to control the ego, and mold their perspective into whatever they wish. In most cases it's all about letting go.
Quote from: ForrestDean on October 27, 2012, 23:41:57Also, there is absolutely nothing anyone or anything can do to you without your agreement, whether conscious of it or not. You have exclusive power over your own reality.
You didn't know I was going to post that. So, yeah, another thing we learned at an early age.