Kitiara uth Matar threatened and insulted Nay.
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Originally posted by Awakening
why was that deleted?
Yeah, this whole trend of removing entire long threads because of one or two offenders is REALLY not cool. You'd think that in such a diverse community that generally prides itself on openmindedness, we wouldn't have to worry about this kind of censorship.
I propose a new forum -- one where mods and their nemeses can freely threaten and delete each other until they all get carpal tunnel. [:D] Maybe then the rest of us could continue with the interesting discussions we've been having, in peace.
Anyway, as I said before, I'm about to leave for about a week and a half... if there are any new developments that might be in danger of disappearing before I get back, someone keep me posted, yeah?
Contemplate your position, and think if that's a really good idea? Some threats on these boards aren't the idle threats on some gaming forum, ponder that on you week off [:O]
Though I am curious as to why this one was deleted as well, I still put my posts and topics at the hands of the Mods and believe that when something is done it is done for the best.
Though if as was suggested the topic was deleted because of one remark made by one person, wouldnt it have made more sense to just delete that post rather than the whole thread?
I await an answer filled with oddidbladdity...??[:D]
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I await an answer filled with oddidbladdity...??
ROFLMAOISIOAFJEKCAW!!![:P]
ah, there it is....[^]
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Yeah, this whole trend of removing entire long threads because of one or two offenders is REALLY not cool. You'd think that in such a diverse community that generally prides itself on openmindedness, we wouldn't have to worry about this kind of censorship.
I agree.
http://www.votefist.com
has forums, the admins won't moderate you, might even create a whole new forum section for you if you ask nicely :)
FYI:they are heavily opinionated, if you want a link directly to the open forum - >
http://votefist.com/phpBB2/
you'll notice it says "Talk about everything" so let er' rip :)
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Original from Kitiara uth Matar in the last prediction thread
Now I posted much the same account on OccultForums before it was hacked (one of the times...) but at the time, though I did have strong suspicions as to who his attacker was, I wasn't sure enough about it to state it openly. Now I do believe that I am so sure: it was I AM who attacked Oazaki. You may know him Nay, he's a moderator over on OccultForums. A very knowledgable, and a very, very competent ceremonial magickian. I'd easily rank him as one of the most powerful magickians on the planet, and a very vicious one at that. I have a lot of respect for him and would think not only twice but six or seven times before taking him on in any way myself. And yet he was just a minor irritation to Oazaki, an irritation which just amused him. Truly lady, you have no idea of the power of the one you're dealing with here. You know what I AM is doing now? Dying. Painfully. This too I have checked and it is very clear. Which is why I am certain about what I initially only suspected. I'm sure you could PM or e-mail him though if you don't believe me. Maybe he'll reply. Maybe he's already too far gone for that. But I get the impression that he has a couple more weeks of pain to go through before he finally does die. I'm not sure why Oazaki was so harsh on him. I'm sure he had his reasons though.
I just wanted to say that was complete BS. I PMed I AM and he is fine.
wow. uhm....is a real human posting that kind of....crap?
I must apologize beforehand by saying that I dont like calling anyone on BS, but people, when you are saying this stuff you are totally destroying any credability many of the subjects here within these forums contain.
I don't even know how to feel about that except by acknowledging suspicions on the fact that Oazaki might be a dual user, taking both the name Oazaki and Kitiara to use in order to further manipulate those who are already vulnerable to influence.
Just the fact that somebody would post something so deliberately unfocused and unrealistic is cause for reexamining the reliability of many on these and other forums.
Im sorry again, but if that was posted on a thread I created, Im happy it was deleted.
It is not beyond us as human beings to realize our potential in any aspect, metaphysical or other, but to live in another world completely based on such notions and to attempt to negotiate and manipulate others using those notions is almost an insult to everyone on these forums.
That was just a part of Kitiaras posting, the rest was even worse.
Can you post the rest? I'm interested [:)]
Namaste,
i am a curious person. so i looked into the origins of oazaki.
oazaki is japanese. it means "night soil"; or "human excreta as fertilizer" .............odd.
tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock....
I have read the rest of the post, and I don't think it needs to be posted, but it eludes even more so to a deliberate delusion focusing on raising awareness of oazakis "powers."
Even the way it was written is similar to oazaki's and in fact speaks of certain things that I dont think anyone would know or pay attention to less they were COMPLETELY obsessed with someone enough to remember every detail of what that person does, and where.
The end even talks of having the post and kitiaras account deleted because of threats made and "kitiara" showing no remorse and is indifferent to the fact that the account will most likely be deleted, which usually does matter unless that person has some other means to return, i.e. it doesnt matter because it is oazaki and he can always return.
I am sorry though that there may be someone on here like him who cannot deal with their real lives well enough that they must come into different forums on the internet and manipulate people into following him and attempting to make everyone believe he is a powerful person when in fact he is in more likelyhood a scared unfocused and probably disturbed youth.
I remember after asking him what his age was and he told me 29 he said pretty amazing to have all this knowledge and experience for someone so young huh?
yeah, well I dont know what he has gone through in life but if it led him onto these forums just to screw with people with such depth behind it, it must not have been very exciting at all.
There are other things as well, but I don't think we need to focus on this subject less it persists in returning. This is the prophecy/divination forum, not, lets solve the riddle of oazaki forum which is a riddle unworthy of our time.
The best thing we can do in this situation is just ignore him now.
I agree with Aileron. I don't know if both are the same person, but it's quite possible I think. Doesn't matter though, they're both crazy and should be avoided, imo.
"I AM" will probably write a comment about Kitiaras posting (I'll post it for him then, he has problems registering on AP, he said) here by tommorow, so I request this thread to stay open until then, please.
ehh.. I dont think it was Oazaki.
But I must say that his style was kinda... tempting to rub off of. He is very accurate in describing what he wants to express, and has like.. key 'phrases' or... ways of writing.
So kitiara just could have liked the style (not making it possesive to anyone) and used the ways as a tool in her own writing, you know?
or not.. ya know, maybe it really was oazaki trying to 'generate' more 'karmas'.
Either way my path is not dependant on it in any way if that's what you want to get at here.
You're right, your not dependant on any of that. You are an intelligent enough person not to be swayed, but we all have influences and at one time or another and again in the future we make the mistake of putting some coherancy to someones insanity...it doesnt even have to be insanity, excuse the exaggeration there.
As I said I only suspect they are they same person, and I was looking for evidence to suggest as such, but I did not want to blantantly disregard everyones right to innocence before proof of guilt.
Pleiadian love and logic!
Hmmm, well guess I better make a brief comment on this one, especially as Kitiara sent me the whole text of her post by e-mail (always nice to be kept informed [:)] ). My position is this: indifference. As I have already stated, I do not and cannot view the people of this planet as my enemies, nor do I view them as truly opposed to me. My opponents and my battles are, or more accurately were, fought on a far larger stage for far larger stakes. As to whatever action one person sees fit to take against another, I care not. Always have I been on the side of freedom and letting people do what they will, for whatever actions anyone takes my purposes are fulfilled. And restriction of another's freedom was never my thing, indeed freeing humanity from the bonds which have been placed upon them and which they have placed upon themselves has ever and always been one of my key purposes in this whole design.
Regarding deleting whole threads for the sake of removing one or two posts which are viewed as unsavoury, I do find that childish, but then again I also find it childish to react with magickal attack just because a thread (which can be found in google's cache anyway) has been deleted. Nevertheless, I guess I can understand where you're both coming from and I love you both anyways babes... [:)].
As regards Kitiara's account of whatever may or may not have happened between me and I AM, I have no comment. Indeed, I have always been kindly disposed towards I AM, though admittedly it is probably reasonable to say that he has never been the greatest supporter of my material and what I am trying to do. Still, be that as it may, as I have repeatedly said, I can't really ever view humans on this planet as my enemies, or even my opponents, no matter how they themselves might perceive me or their relation to me.
As regards me and Kitiara being the same person, well I can think of three very obvious differences right away: left breast, right breast and, ahem, that bit in between [:P]. And I do fully intend to become One with her, on a regular basis, very soon indeed (well, you are an extreme babe babes, and you are indeed most spirited... [;)]). Beyond that, whatever. It's not the first time people have though I was another user just because there was some similarity in what we said or how we said it, and it probably won't be the last either. That, too, is a matter which I am indifferent about, and also, admittedly, find quite amusing.
Well that's about it I guess. And to think I only checked in today to see how Quiet Storm is going with the breatharian process. How is that going btw QS?
all the best all,
Oazaki.
The breatharian process is doing fine man. I started drinkin fluids yesterday and today I am feeling fine except for this acid that has been forming around my chest for the past 3 days which I had to repeteadly dispose of through the mouth, but now I am just letting it stay and now it's cool though. Now my body is feels like it is recovering from the dry period.
I sent you an email reguarding my progress also, so you may wanna check your inbox.
Going there now...
Good to hear you're through the first seven days QS! [:)] That's the hard part done. The rest is plain sailing really. Well done btw. Those seven days are usually enough to break most people. Truly it takes a strong will and focused determination to get through them. So you have cause to pat yourself on the back I think.
[^] [:)]
all the best,
Oazaki.
I have no enemies I have risen above petty emotional entanglements. I somehow end up implying or saying that my opponents are childish. But that's because I just want to teach others. Not because I myself am sullied by any emotions or competitiveness. My natural superiority shines through in the ways I am not affected and smile at everything. I make predictions so that you will see that I know things. When these do not come true, I say I changed my mind. I have forgotten why I decided to make predictions since I of course knew I would change my mind and change the world. I am not sure why I predict things and then when the time comes I tell people the changes are not visible. Enlightenment is not knowing exactly what you are doing while talking about women's breasts. If you have a problem with me talking about breasts like a competitive frat boy, it's because you have judgements of sex. Why are you suprised that enlightened sex talk is the same as the way the 'cool' boys in high school talk about women so they don't have to face their fear of women. Boys who become men who end up with short term relationships with generally angry self-destructive women. Women who also manage to tell themselves that the sex is somehow 'hot' and not cold, unloving, mechanical 'pseudo pleasure'.
I really don't care what you think. This complete independence in the emotional sphere is enlightenment.
If you think you feel an undercurrent of neediness in my posts, desperation for attention and adulation, you are reading to deeply. I am not deep. I am surface. I am the Cheshire Cat's disappearing smile. I am the production of imagination. I am the teenage boy's imaginized Buddha. That whimpering unpopular kid I see sometimes when I hop into my Mazzerati has nothing to do with me. Your reactions have nothing to do with me. There is nothing for me to learn. Pressure is not building up around me. It is not harder and harder to maintain this false smile. It is not hard at all to hide from myself my own disappointment at my mistakes and failed predictions. I find that easy. You poor weak things that cannot ignore your mistakes, all in the name of integrity.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Thats gotta be one hell of an ego trip don't ya think?
Coben I advice you balance your crown energy centre.
Because when it is unbalanced it gives EXACTLY the kind of thoughts
you have written in your post. Spiritually arrogant, yes I've
been there myself and everynow and then I slip there [:D]
But the truth is that we are all equally valued since every
human soul has a unique gem inside it that no one else has.
I were very arrogant a long time and then I were at a chakra workshop
where they told about the energy centres and how they affect our
thoughts. When I've read about it I thought it was just pure bovine excrement,
but when the lecturer spoke from his own experience it all opened
up.
So I stimulated my crown centre, BANG, all my arrogant thoughts
disappeared [:O] Try it out [:D]
Namaste,
ummm, ladies and gents, i do believe that coben was attempting(quite well, judging by the responses!) a bit of satire......anywho,
OAZAKI!! i have a question!!! why do you call yourself human crap? [:O][:O][:O]
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i do believe that coben was attempting ... a bit of satire.
Indeed, and quite a good one, too.
love and light
Cobens reactions was beautiful. thank you.
What is there that I can say to your post oazaki? Though I know you could care less about our opinions of you, less being the antithesis of more and more being the antonym of less, it concerns me slightly that you dont get angry. Really I could accept the fact that you make a mistake, that you dont read over your post again and again checking to make sure nobody is insulted personally so that we all come to like you even through certain screens, that you call someone a sh*thead, or act obviously superior, rather than probitiously superior.
I could forgive a human for their mistakes.
I could give a human a chance for redemption.
TO admit they are faulted before the eyes of all while stumbling through the haze of confusion is a beautiful act humans take part in while conversing with others.
You though....its different. No matter what, even in your mistakes that may target you as something you didnt mean to be, you accept and surpass with an almost flagrant disregard of what others actually mean to you.
Do we mean nothing to you Oazaki?
Do we mean so less to you that our regard towards you can easily be so forgotten?
Ya know, Jesus would have at least approached each person on the subject, then forgiven. You ignore.
pancakes and jam
wtg QS! I'm not going to have any excuse to not try the process mself, once you're done. How are you doing physically? Are you able to go out at all or are you pretty much taking it as easy as possible?
I'm taking it as easy as possible man. My heartrate has been kinda jumpy lately...but it's all getting better. [:)]
http://www.darkforum.com/showthread.php?t=39256&page=1&pp=10
It's August the 17th and Bush is still alive. Another failure.
So let's wait for September 22nd-28th, then.
So Veccolo... you don't think that you'll ever be proved wrong?
Oazaki will prove me wrong if he does it (the challenge) until October.
But the fact that he continues to fail with his "great powers" proves my point about him quite nicely, I think.
We will see if he is what he claims to be on October the 1st.
spagetti and meatballs
fruit and salad
I'd like to have some... *sips water*
I AM's comment on Kitiara's posting:
"Unfortunately for you Kitiara uth Matar someone DID ask I AM if this quote was true. And, with the permission of the Moderator Nay I would like to respond to this specific quote where my name is mentioned. Rather than post the entire quote I will just quote those parts of the post that dealt directly with me.
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Originally Posted by Kitiara uth Matar
Now I posted much the same account on Occult Forums before it was hacked (one of the times?) but at the time, though I did have strong suspicions as to who his attacker was, I wasn't sure enough about it to state it openly. Now I do believe that I am so sure: it was I AM who attacked Oazaki. You may know him Nay, he's a moderator over on Occult Forums. A very knowledgeable, and a very, very competent ceremonial magickian. I'd easily rank him as one of the most powerful magickians on the planet, and a very vicious one at that. I have a lot of respect for him and would think not only twice but six or seven times before taking him on in any way myself. And yet he was just a minor irritation to Oazaki, an irritation which just amused him. Truly lady, you have no idea of the power of the one you're dealing with here. You know what I AM is doing now? Dying. Painfully. This too I have checked and it is very clear. Which is why I am certain about what I initially only suspected. I'll sure you could PM or e-mail him though if you don't believe me. Maybe he'll reply. Maybe he's already too far gone for that. But I get the impression that he has a couple more weeks of pain to go through before he finally does die. I'm not sure why Oazaki was so harsh on him. I'll sure he had his reasons though. With that much power, in my experience, comes also wisdom. You just can't balance the forces you?re dealing with otherwise.
So Nay, now you have some idea who you?re dealing and the extent of his power. Also, you have an easy way to check up on the truth of what I say: just ask I AM.
This reads like a Role Playing Game novel. We have the humble HERO (Oazaki), the EVIL WIZARD (me), a battle of EPIC proportions between MIGHTY POWERS, the destruction of EVIL, and a wonderful MORAL to end the story.
Too bad it is based in fantasy and not the real world Kitiara uth Matar. I will address your points one by one and let the reader judge for themselves the truth of your words.
1. Now I posted much the same account on Occult Forums before it was hacked (one of the times?) but at the time, though I did have strong suspicions as to who his attacker was, I wasn't sure enough about it to state it openly. Now I do believe that I am so sure: it was I AM who attacked Oazaki. You may know him Nay, he's a moderator over on Occult Forums.
It is true that I am a Moderator on Occult Forums. As far as my attacking Oazaki, you are obviously on drugs. I think you need to look into your crystal ball again or ask someone more capable.2.You may know him Nay, he's a moderator over on Occult Forums. A very knowledgeable, and a very, very competent ceremonial magickian. I'd easily rank him as one of the most powerful magickians on the planet, and a very vicious one at that.
Kitiara uth Matar you defintely need to get out more my friend. If you rank me as one of the most powerful magickians on the planet it is obvious that you do not know many magickians. While some might be flattered by your words about my power, I am not. Those who turn magick into "who is the baddest magickian on the planet games" have missed the point of magick.
As far as my visciousness is concerned I find that comment amusing. While it is true that I can respond without remorse when sufficiently provoked, I do not think that my fellow members on Occult Forums, or other people that know me, would agree that I am viscious. I do not make it habit of attacking people or playing "Mortal Combat" with fellow magickians. I consider that a stupid waste of time.3.And yet he was just a minor irritation to Oazaki, an irritation which just amused him. Truly lady, you have no idea of the power of the one you're dealing with here. You know what I AM is doing now? Dying. Painfully. This too I have checked and it is very clear.
It is so nice being just a minor irritation. Here I am a most powerful magickian and I am only a "minor" irritation. That certainly implies that Oazaki must be MOST powerful since he so easily defeated my magick. I find those words pathetic. And I will have to say that your reports of my pending death are greatly exagerated and it has certainly come as news to me.
For such a powerful counter attack by Oazaki so far I have felt NOTHING. However, I was a little constipated recently and did suffer from gas for a day or two. Perhaps this is the counter attack that you are suggesting occurred.
Prior to the Occult Forums being hacked the first time I had posted that I suffered from a chronic pain situation and had been for over 23 YEARS. Perhaps you are suggesting that Oazaki went into my past, attacked me, and I have suffered his wrath ever since. I will let the readers decide what they think about that.
As far as your checking and confirming that I am dying I submit that you have been looking in the wrong window my friend.4.Which is why I am certain about what I initially only suspected. I'll sure you could PM or e-mail him though if you don't believe me. Maybe he'll reply. Maybe he's already too far gone for that.
As I said, unfortunately for you someone did contact me. Tell me, do I seem too far gone to you Kitiara uth Matar? As a fantasy story, this one needs work.5.But I get the impression that he has a couple more weeks of pain to go through before he finally does die.
So, I assume that if I live until Christmas then this will be sufficient to disprove your fantasy. I tell you what. Start a betting pool and put your money on who you think the winner will be. I assume that you will put your money on Oazaki. You may rest assured that I will not.6.I'm not sure why Oazaki was so harsh on him. I'll sure he had his reasons though. With that much power, in my experience, comes also wisdom. You just can't balance the forces you?re dealing with otherwise.
This part disturbs me the most. Oazaki never had the courtesy to contact me. So far we only have YOUR WORD on what Oazaki has done. However, if he has attacked me then I am disappointed in him. For someone that is supposedly as advanced as he is to attack an innocent person is not something to be proud of in a Resume. In fact, if it were true, it would be very sad.As far as my being attacked goes, if someone wants to attack me let them knock themselves out. I will not lose any sleep. And I WILL look back on the attack.
I am NOT dying nor am I even sick. And to use a false scenario to attempt to scare a Moderator of another Forum to conform to your will is BENEATH you.
If I have to sum up my feelings about the original post I would say that it is misguided, ill informed, and untrue. Time and events will bear ME out.
I normally have a good sense of humor. In this case I am not amused.
Humbly, I AM"
[:D]ROFLOL!!![^]Whew!
Thanks!
Tell I AM that he just provided some of the most entertaining stuff to read for some time, I appreciate it!
There really is no need to get deeper on the kitiara subject, her post alone is enough to throw a petition towards commiting her if she believes wholeheartedly in what she wrote.
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And, with the permission of the Moderator Nay I would like to respond to this specific quote where my name is mentioned.
I kindly ask that you do not use my name in your Crusade.
In your statement, it appears as if "I gave you permission" to post this. In responce to the PM you sent me before posting this, I plainly said, that this was a bad soap opera, why even talk about it anymore and I went on to say, as long as you go by the rules of the forums I can or cannot tell you what to post.
Frankly, I find this whole thing a waste of time and energy but of course that is just me, but please leave me out of it.
Thank you,
Nay.
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And, with the permission of the Moderator Nay I would like to respond to this specific quote where my name is mentioned.
I kindly ask that you do not use my name in your Crusade.
In your statement, it appears as if "I gave you permission" to post this. In responce to the PM you sent me before posting this, I plainly said, that this was a bad soap opera, why even talk about it anymore and I went on to say, as long as you go by the rules of the forums I can or cannot tell you what to post.
Frankly, I find this whole thing a waste of time and energy but of course that is just me, but please leave me out of it.
"I kindly ask that you do not use my name in your Crusade."See next quote.
"In your statement, it appears as if "I gave you permission" to post this."That sentence you quoted isn't from me, it's a part of I AM's comment. I just copy&pasted it.
I didn't intend to use your name in my "crusade".
"In responce to the PM you sent me before posting this, I plainly said, that this was a bad soap opera, why even talk about it anymore and I went on to say, as long as you go by the rules of the forums I can or cannot tell you what to post."And in my PM it's clearly stated that I AM wanted _your_ permission, which you indirectly gave with not saying anything against it. So if you had said you don't want me to post this comment, I would not have posted it - even if the rules would have allowed it.
Do you want me to delete/edit out the comment? It doesn't really matter to me, as the comment wasn't my idea.
"Frankly, I find this whole thing a waste of time and energy but of course that is just me, but please leave me out of it."It wasn't my intention to involve you in anything.
You see??? I have no idea whom IAM is.... I apologize for sticking this tag on you, but you have to understand my confusion... I can't figure out whom is for or against these "actions". This is all very dramatic and cluch the edge of my seat type of senerio, but I am bowing out.....ok?
Thanks,
Nay
No one is demanding you read or post here Nay. If you would like to be excluded from the conversation the farther away you are the less likely we will think of you or mention you
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Originally posted by mikel
No one is demanding you read or post here Nay. If you would like to be excluded from the conversation the farther away you are the less likely we will think of you or mention you
Nice to meet you Mikel..that was a very adult and thought provoking comment, thank you.
Nay
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Originally Posted by Nay
I have no idea whom IAM is
Now I'm confused. I thought you read the posting of Kitiara uth Matar, which (I hope) was the reason for deleting the second predictions thread?
On page 2 of this thread I said I AM will make a comment on this posting (because he was mentioned in it) and that I'll post it because he somehow can't register here.
I don't know why he wanted your permission though ... probably because the original thread were deleted because of Kitiara's posting, so he wasn't sure if he were allowed to comment on it, but that's just a guess.
Well, whatever. I don't care anyway if you understand it or not.
*shrugs* I suppose that shows how much this thread means to me. So the kid that is calling himself, IAM is yet another ego driven wannabe all powerful one?
Yeah... I don't care either.
Nay
" So the kid that is calling himself IAM is yet another ego driven wannabe all powerful one?"
Read his comment before posting nonsense like that. He is far from being a kid, and he also doesn't call himself all powerful.
Bleh ...
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Originally posted by Veccolo
" So the kid that is calling himself IAM is yet another ego driven wannabe all powerful one?"
Read his comment before posting nonsense like that. He is far from being a kid, and he also doesn't call himself all powerful.
Bleh ...
I'm sorry you're right, I was assuming again...[:(] I'm trying, I'm trying. [:D]
Nay
Originally posted by shadowdancer
Namaste,
i am a curious person. so i looked into the origins of oazaki.
oazaki is japanese. it means "night soil"; or "human excreta as fertilizer" .............odd
and:
OAZAKI!! i have a question!!! why do you call yourself human crap? [:O][:O][:O]
I was not aware that it did for I do not speak Japanese. "OAZAKI" I originally designed as a powerful piece of sigil magick, with each letter being a sigil. What it may or may not mean in Japanese didn't enter into the equation for me back then, indeed I didn't even bother to check. I wouldn't be surprised if it had a few other meanings in Japanese, depending on inflection / intonation or something. Oriental languages tend to do that. Personally I'm hoping that with the proper intonation, that is to say how I like to pronounce it (Oh-a-zaki) it means something other than "human feces" in Japanese. If not, it would be a somewhat unfortunate coincidence i guess...
Your name is cool btw shadowdancer, it being what I have called the elite combative troops of The Zhedhi Order. Kinda funny that, ironic coincidence when you consider that you were asking me about my name...
all the best,
Oazaki.
Originally posted by Aileron
What is there that I can say to your post oazaki? Though I know you could care less about our opinions of you, less being the antithesis of more and more being the antonym of less, it concerns me slightly that you dont get angry.
Anger serves no purpose, and further, clouds the mind. As such, I have no use for it. I do feel emotions, but I let the come and go, viewing them as part of the "package" of physical incarnation but not something to get attached to, far less allow to influence my actions. Like all else in this world they are, at the end of day, just a tool for me as far as my work (which includes my internet postings btw) is concerned. That having been said, I am not a cold automaton and I do feel emotion, even in my work. For example, some pain and sadness at the extent of the death and destruction I had to cause. But that does not sway me from my path nor from what had to be done. The laws of creation, especially Kal's part of creation, may be set up in a certain way necessitating certain motions to produce certain effects. I personally don't have to like this, nor the path I was forced to take to reach the destination I desired both for me and for humanity as a whole, but I am not going to balk from it because of human emotions. I did what I did and I'll do what I do as per the dictates of Spirit and the laws of creation. Human emotions are not a guide for me, much less a deciding influence on my path. I could never have walked that path if they were.
Really I could accept the fact that you make a mistake, that you dont read over your post again and again checking to make sure nobody is insulted personally so that we all come to like you even through certain screens, that you call someone a sh*thead, or act obviously superior, rather than probitiously superior.
I could forgive a human for their mistakes.
I could give a human a chance for redemption.
TO admit they are faulted before the eyes of all while stumbling through the haze of confusion is a beautiful act humans take part in while conversing with others.
You though....its different. No matter what, even in your mistakes that may target you as something you didnt mean to be, you accept and surpass with an almost flagrant disregard of what others actually mean to you.
Do we mean nothing to you Oazaki?
I care deeply for humanity, I always have. The oppressed and downtrodden have always had a special place in my heart as evidenced by the fact that I am actually here doing what must be done, at considerable personal expense in terms of suffering and the like, to free them from that condition. Whereas most other higher-planers don't give much of a damn, or at least not enough of a damn to actually get their hands dirty, come down here and do something about it. But the oppresion of the weak, and further the binding of their minds and their awareness so that they are not even very aware of that oppresion much less its exact nature is a very great injustice. And justice has always been my big thing, as you all should know by now.
Do we mean so less to you that our regard towards you can easily be so forgotten?
It is not that, it is that the nature of this system and your condition within it is such that clear perception of what is is very hard indeed for you within it. That is to say, I know, knew from beforehand, that none would be able to see the whole truth of what I was doing and that none would be able to understand me, not completely. If they did their condition would not be what it was and there would be no need to do what I have done, at least not from here on this planet. So yes, I do care, deeply, for humanity. But no, I do not care in the slightest for their perception of me; not until that perception has been cleared and they can see clearly as to what is. And that necessitates their removal from this system, from this controlling matrix that they have been placed in. When that has been done and wisdom is a more open door to them, then I shall listen to what their opinion of me is and what advice they may for me may be, to the extent to which they embody and express wisdom, based on a clear, accurate and whole perception of what is. For wisdom based on truth I always listen to, and value.
Ya know, Jesus would have at least approached each person on the subject, then forgiven. You ignore.
I am not Jesus. I do not present false platitudes in a way that is pleasant to the masses, plays on their established values and beliefs and, thereby, binds them more tightly within the prison that has been created for them. I came to break that prison and that necessitated breaking the beliefs and perceptions out of which that prison was formed. Some sort of, probably quite extreme, negative reaction was to be expected. Yet in this regard there was never anything to forgive for they knew not what they were defending, what they were reacting against. I just let them get on with the cathartic process, overseeing it in a stern, though still gentle, way.
"You're living in a prison Neo, a prison for your mind" - Morpheus from "The Matrix".
But that prison has been broken, the door forced assunder. Which was ever and always my purpose, on every level. To repeat: Freedom comes to those who take it . I took it, and as, from my perspective, we are all one, I took it for all. Except those I myself viewed as my enemies (illuminati and co); with them I freed the Spirit trapped inside them, returned it to its original state. Which from their perspective is, as we've already covered, anihilation on all levels.
Hope that answers your questions man [:)].
all the best,
Oazaki.
(releases and lets go)
Hey Oazaki, I went and translated your name for you using a tool I found to let me type japanesse hiragana and then turn that into kanji and then I let Babel Fish translated that for me, so far it has proven to be realiable, but I still don't really trust it. It seems that your name means, It is shallow coming and the kanji is #12362;#27973;#12365;. If you know anyone that translates good, then I am sure you can find a better meaning to your name from the kanji.
Ok, now it is posting time, this is rather interesting and I guess I sort of agree that it was kind of stupid for the mods to delete the thread becuase of one person, but these things get out of hand really fast, turning into all out flaming of persons belief structure which is why they deleted the thread instead of the post, becuase more then likly people had already seen in and would respond to it in a negative manner.
I'm baaaack. Anyone miss me?
::hears crickets chirping off in the distance::
Ahem. Moving right along...
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Contemplate your position, and think if that's a really good idea? Some threats on these boards aren't the idle threats on some gaming forum, ponder that on you week off
Whether the threats are legit or not is beside my point. That was just my rather sarcastic way of saying that I wish people would keep their personal vendettas personal, so the rest of us don't have to be punished for them too. Granted, I'd really prefer that nobody gets threatened, but since I can't keep that from happening, the best I can do is respectfully request that such matters be kept between those whom they concern.
Anyway, this week off has been somewhat eventful for me, spiritually speaking. While poking around antique shops with my girlfriend's parents, I actually came across a first edition copy of Monroe's first book. Got a kick out of that, but I didn't end up buying it. What I did buy, was a
Metaphysical Bible Dictionary from 1931 that I found, which explains a lot of the esoteric meanings behind names, places, events and concepts found in the biblical texts. In addition to making my inner theology geek drool, I've learned quite a lot about myself, healing, spirituality and a lot of other things from this book in just the few days I've had it. I was also rather startled to come across this excerpt which I'm sure some of you will find pretty interesting; it's part of the listing under the topic "Heaven and Earth"...
"It is important to know that heaven and earth, or spiritual and seemingly material planes, are states of mind primarily, and that we, as a race, are in the midst of their expression. The creative process has been going on for aeons, and a great mass of thought force and mind force has been evolved. Man's body is the earthly side of an inner heaven, or mental realm. The I has fluctuated for ages between these two planes of consciousness. An incarnation in the body is followed by a vacation in the soul, and these two are gradually getting closer and closer together. When they are united the "new man" in Christ Jesus will step forth and the weary round of incarnation and reincarnation will cease."So, I was rather surprised and pleased to find this unmistakable reference to the transition we've been discussing, within a strain of my own spiritual tradition, written over 70 years ago no less. (Christianity is anti-paranormal my arse! Heh) In any case, throughout this week I've really sensed that someone out there has heard my call for healing and greater understanding and has answered in the language I best relate to, whether it's Oazaki and his buddies, the Creator Himself, or a little of both. [:P]
Anyway, I have a few more possible insights and things I've been kicking around over the past few days, but I think I'll wait a little while and see how certain things play out.
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Comment from Oazaki on the "Kitiara issue":
Well, first things first: you know what you saw and your abilities have served you well in the past, provenly so. Why even think of mistrusting them now just because one who does not even come near to approaching your level tells you that things are otherwise? Above all babes, always keep the faith in your Self. It is in getting to know, live, fully embody and express outwards your Self that the personal examination, self-criticism and questioning should enter. And, whilst others can indeed help in this process and act as guides on the way, at the end of the day, as you know, we all stand alone in this and must walk our own path with our own two feet.
That having been said, if you're asking for my own personal perspective on what happened between me and I AM then right away I will say that, for the most part, what you have said you saw happen is indeed a fairly accurate description of what did happen, at least in terms of perception if not in terms of some of the particulars of the interpretation, or meaning, of what you saw.
Yes, he did attack me (I don't think you expected otherwise really when you first pointed out to the OFers that I had, in a way, claimed some sort of responsibility for the spate of hacking sprees they went through. After all, I AM truly does care for the forums and for the work he's put into them. I do wonder though whether he, or anybody else, paused to consider that I had lost the most in those hacks – the majority of my public teachings – or to think beyond that to the nature of cyclicality, thus seeing that all which was removed in the hacks would, with the turning of the wheels of cyclicality, be restored. Ah, so few people have patience nowadays, and fewer still it seems are able to take the long-term view and, thus, see the patterns therein. Still, I'm sure they'll get it eventually...). And yes, I did return that attack to him, along with some other stuff. To get a little more specific and answer some of the questions which you have on this one: First off, the reason I let his attack in is because I AM, and consequently also all magickal workings which he is the author of, is, like everybody else, at a specific vibratory level. I AM is kinda special in this regards though, at least for me, in that his vibratory rate is very, very similar indeed to the illuminati's vibratory rate. Though I would like to state, categorically, that he is not, nor has he ever been, aligned with the illuminati. Indeed, if he knew about them he would fight them. This is what makes him, in my eyes, special. Anyway, the vibratory similarity between his workings and the illuminati's meant that I could use his working to destroy the illuminati's workings from the inside, through merging them together. Also, due to his alignement, I had no qualms about merging my own consciousness with I AM's working and, whilst so doing, powering it up. Whilst, due to my exclusion of the illuminati's nature and approach from my own being (part and parcel of the fact that I am annihilating them on every level) I am not able, or more accurately not willing, to place my own consciousness at the very center of any of their workings anymore (though I did indeed do so in the set-up period during which I was manipulating them into a position whereby they would, of their own free will, choose their own annihilation on every level. But that's another story). Thereby was I given a very powerful tool to use against the illuminati's workings, which was at the same vibratory level as those workings and, consequently, could attack those workings from the inside, by merging with them. I then directed this now-enhanced working within my own physical body and used it to destroy, to kill, a part of an etheric implant which the illuminati had placed on me when I was a baby, around a year old. Not that I couldn't have destroyed it anyway, by other means you understand. But if you're given a very handy tool, which makes things both easier and faster, why not use it eh?
Anyway, that function fulfilled, I then bent the working to my will, that is to say overpowered it, and sent it out of my system, allowing it to return to its author. However, before it got there I thought I'd let I AM know what was up as he really was being a little cheeky sending stuff my way. So I etherically tapped him on the shoulder a few times and then sparred around a little with him. Nothing too heavy you understand, just a friendly indication for him to understand who's boss. But yeah, as you saw, he took it quite seriously and thought he was actually under real attack. Ah well. I just left him to it as I doubted he'd try anything again once he'd felt the strength of my will, albeit in a more gently, sparring sort of way. You were right though, I did return soon thereafter, as a result of the seeding principle you picked up on. Hadn't thought to look for such you see, and yeah, it did tinkle me off a little. I don't mind a one-on-one contest of wills, heck I can understand others wanting to "test my strength" as it were, especially given the extremity of some of the claims I have made and the nature of some of the motions I have authored. What I view as underhandedness or closedness, sneakiness does irritate me though. I'm not sure why you saw "three blows". What I did was give him a blast of will to show him I was displeased (yet this in itself would not have done him any real harm, more just stun a bit, maybe leaving him feeling a little shocked). Then I merged my focus with his now-returning working and allowed it to absorb the qualities of my own nature, namely cyclicality, justice, inevitability, etc. Essentially this side of things is probably easiest understood if I say that I caused it to rotate, to spin, very quickly indeed, with a lot of weight within it, down to the deepest level, viz the source, the interplay of yin-yang. In so doing, I made it inviolable for it became of the nature of the source, that is to say, karmic from the highest level. Anyway, whilst doing this I got the impression that I should tie in to a cycle the nature of which would be the overcoming of ego and, connectedly, of arrogance also. So I did. The result of this, for I AM, is that he is now on a cycle whereby he will fully, and inviolably, overcome both ego and arrogance. This of itself does not necessarily mean he will die but in practice, it probably does as I don't reckon that he, as a conscious ego personality, will be able to learn the relevant lessons fast enough before the cycle he is on (which cycle, you'll recall, is spinning with the weight and speed of my own nature, the rate and intensity at which I myself learn my own lessons) gets too much for him to handle in terms of the intensity with which life presents him the relevant lessons. And death, of course, is the ultimate destroyer of ego, both in and of itself, for everybody, and also specifically for I AM, as he will view it, as resulting from his own misconceptions and magickal actions based thereupon.
Anyway, having done that, I left him to it. The whole thing intrigued me a little though as, looking at it, I saw that through his actions, and my response to them, I got rid of an aspect of my being (part of the illuminati's block) that I wanted to rid myself of and he also, once the cycle I have placed him on has reached its fruition, fulfilled itself in relation to him, rids himself of aspects of his being which he wanted to rid himself of, overcome, namely ego and arrogance. So I looked into it a little bit and found that, indeed, this was the precise nature of that (small) aspect of the design which we had planned together pre-incarnatively. Which fitted into place very nicely indeed really. Which perhaps explains, if you read them, why I always said back on OF that I AM was an old friend and that, further we had planned an aspect of this design together. Kind of ironic from an incarnated perspective though, especially I AM's...
As regards my "terse no comment", no it's not that I was annoyed that you revealed details which I would rather have kept private. There are indeed some things that I do keep private but really that's only because I can't be bothered to type *everything* up and put it into the public domain. Ever and always have I been open with who I am and what I am doing / have done. Though, admittedly, I am so open within the context of divine timing and I release certain truths at certain times, thereby determining their position on the wheels of cyclicality and, consequently, what effect they will have. For the path of all within cyclicality is determined by its point of origin on cyclicality's wheel. No, the "no comment" was because I wanted to have you stand on your own two feet, fight for yourself on this one and, thereby learn. And you have done well indeed: you had faith in yourself and what you knew, you were steadfast and strong and, importantly for me, you were loyal, knew, at a deep level, where your allegiances lay and, in your own way, were completely loyal, steadfast and true to them. I appreciate that babe, always have. Few are there who look beyond what, for them, is probably the more unpleasant aspects of what I have done and the path that had to be walked to reach the destination I have always aimed for, both for myself and for mankind as a whole. Most simply react negatively, and quite extremely, to what they perceive as arrogance, harshness, cruelty or whatever. For you, the "test" was that you could have thought that I wasn't, due to lack of courage or "Machiavelliness", standing behind my own words and actions 100% or that I was not going to support you who had supported me. This is not so, as I believe you know. Regarding the courage, heck I've stood before, and defeated, whole planes of reality, aspects of God. I'm not going to balk at little, silly things in this world now am I? As regards "Machiavelliness", truly such a perspective is amateurish from where I'm standing, and ineffective, for the means will *always * become a part of the end. This is why it is so important to ALWAYS be true to yourself and your own path / nature. No less important, even more so in fact as you know, is to investigate the nature of reality and know thine own self so that you are being true to what is, at a deep level, rather than to what is not or to some shallow level or other of your being. But more importantly from your perspective as regards my "no comment" is that you learnt, or at least begun to, how to operate at a deeper level, how to fight at a deeper level. Namely, you are beginning to realize that words, no matter their nature, will not convince, or even move, ego personalities. Not unless you want to go down the time-consuming, small, and ultimately quite futile path of doing detailed personal readings for everyone. No, if you want to move with words, do not address the ego personality, address the deeper levels of the being, soul and Spirit. At those levels, all know what is, and so accept it. The ego personality will still react, probably quite negatively if your words oppose its comfortably established reality or perception of itself, but the deeper aspects of the being will have been moved and, as a result of that, through the turning of the wheels of cyclicality, the ego personality will, in its proper time, be moved also. Said movement of the ego personality also, incidentally, coinciding with the relevant external occurrences - that is to say actions - which are what, in physicality, really cause the ego personality to be moved.
Getting back to the topic at hand then, basically addressing the deeper levels of your audiences' being, as opposed to their ego personality, means that you communicate deep truths to them rather than trying to present them with evidence to convince their ego personality with. Such evidence is best expressed, is only worth expressing and will only really have the desired effect, if expressed in action. So yeah, I think you're beginning to realize that...
The other big thing this escapade taught you, though this one not as consciously, is to think, and move, strategically. Everybody and everything has their own nature. That nature will be fulfilled, indeed by their own hand will they cause and bring about its fulfillment. And this applies to everything, not just people. Now, you can make your own actions such that they leave others no choice, if they are to be true to themselves and fulfill / express their own nature, but to, by their own hand, fulfill your own purposes and do what you want them to do. For example, in your case you did it by openly and publicly supporting me and my material, by being loyal, true and steadfast and by speaking what you yourself perceived as truth (and which was in fact very close indeed to the truth of the matter). As a result, I, being by nature loyal to those who are loyal to me and reciprocating as extremely, as much, as I can in support of those who have supported me, was placed, by your own actions, in a position where I had no choice but to come out openly in strong support of you and your claims, not if I was going to be true to my own nature, my own being and in accord with the precepts of justice (which, as you've prbbly realized, is the very core of my own being, my own nature). Admittedly, at one level or another, I set up the conditions which would give you the opportunity to do this and then let you do it in order to teach you certain things, get you to use and exercise your own deeper abilities and, thereby, come to realize their extent and nature. But you still did it for yourself babe, and with consummate mastership too I might add. Proud of you babes. And very greatly pleased indeed.
Anyway, before we extend the preceding principle deeper, know that you can publicly quote anything I have said to you, up to and including this e-mail, in support of your case and position. As I believe you're beginning to realize, though I do want you to walk your own path and fight your own battles, I'll always be there at your side keeping an eye, intervening when necessary and lending my (very considerable) support when asked or needed. Of course I'm always there for you babe, and always will be. I'm surprised you have to ask... So anyway, in terms of words, you should have more than enough to support your position as far as such words can. Do be aware though that, no matter what you say or quote, words alone will not move ego personalities. People will believe what fits into their established understandings, their established, comfortable views of themselves and the world. No matter. I happen to have provided the necessary external results to prove, very dramatically so indeed, to all, the truth and depth of my words and of what I have done in terms of all the large-scale stuff with which you are familiar. A side-effect of that will be that your position in this, supported as it is by me, will be established for all to see. And you won't need much patience at all in this regard either...
Anyway, I myself will also be e-mailing I AM telling him of my agreement with your perspective and support of it. Though I won't be doing so for a day or two yet. Today is a special day for me, it is the day when I make the final set of significant, fairly high-level commands with The Zhedhi Order prior to the transition to 4D, the day when, as you know, I sign you, and some others, up into The Zhedhi Order and place same, and some others, into The Zhedhi Master Matrix, and the day when I make certain key communications to people I feel a particular warmth towards. I have been both patient and indulgent with I AM, almost excessively so I'd say. He can, and will, wait.
However, that will be all I have to say on the whole I AM thing, at least publicly, other than a confirmation, if asked, that such of my words as you may decide to quote are indeed mine. This whole matter has already occupied more time and effort than, frankly, it's worth. I have better things to do and will squander no more time on it. If you yourself want to discuss it further, or anything else in fact, that's fine though. You have more than earned the right. I'm more than inclined to be very indulgent with you, and to answer whatever questions you may have, whatever the topic, or even just chew the fat. All such future communications are, however, to be kept between the two of us. This too is part of cyclicality, an _expression of it, specifically of the fact that Saturn is currently applying to parallel aspect with the Earth in the heliocentric latitudes. Aspects to the Earth in the helio latitudes are very special indeed you see, as the Earth is always in the same position ( 0 degrees) in the helio latitudes. That means that everybody on Earth also experiences as a personal transit whatever aspect is applying to the Earth in the helio latitudes. For example, whilst Neptune, which rules occult knowledge and the collective unconscious, was tightly parallel to the Earth in this way, I released all my teachings to the world, and, thereby into the collective human unconscious and so to each individual person. Whereas Saturn rules restriction, sternness, control and, as you'll know from my 2004 prediction thread, material, physical results. One of the implications of this though is that I no longer am being as open as I was, nor as indulgent. I am being both sterner and stricter, I am restricting access to me and what I know, and I am drawing my inner circles (amongst whom you number) to me. I am also beginning to exercise my control over the Earth and all upon it and, connectedly, beginning the external, material motions.
So, returning to the discussion at hand, extending the principle deeper you will find that it can be applied to anything and everything, from people to the aspects of God himself. Indeed it is by so "checkmating" various aspects of God, and the way they relate to each other, that I was able to cause what I have caused re: the destruction of this system and the rewriting of the laws of creation. Another way of looking at this is that I destroyed this system using the very laws which govern and define it, or, if you prefer, I defeated God by turning his own nature against him. The thing for you to realize babe is that you yourself are capable of operating in the same way, indeed it is your deeper nature to do so. What do I mean by this? Ah, you'll like this one. Back in May, whilst up in the mountains doing my thing for 40 days, I placed you within my SpiritGroup. As you may recall from my second post on my thread "Esoteric /Spiritual Authority and The Nature of God" Wongsifu, at the time that thread was posted, was facing a choice and, depending what he chose, there existed the possibility that his place in my SpiritGroup would be forfeit. Well, he took his choice and, as a consequence of the path he chose, his place was indeed forfeit. So I looked around and meditated upon who would be a good fit for that particular place in the SpiritGroup. And you came to mind. Very nice fit indeed. Come now, you didn't think that all the changes you've been going through lately, both in your life and your own being, were without cause did you? And a very deep cause at that... Well, you always wanted freedom babe (which is composed of power and detachment) and worked with focus and clarity to attain it. And you're now one of the 26 individual Spirits closest to the center of the creation, and hence able to influence the creation the most and know its nature the most deeply / clearly. Which, in more direct terms, basically means that you're one of the 26 most powerful individuated beings in the creation. Or, more accurately, have such power within you and, consequently, the potential and ability to access it as a conscious ego personality. You just have to fulfill that potential, let it loose, express it. And that was the largest part of what I have been teaching you. And you have proved a very apt pupil indeed.
Returning then to I AM, it should be apparent to you now that you yourself are far, far in excess of he in terms of power. I'm actually surprised you ever doubted this. What happened to the bold woman who, whilst still just starting out on the esoteric / magickal path, saw fit to turn her hand towards influencing Syrian / Israeli politics? Yes, I have been aware of you since then. Did you not ever wonder why your grandfather was a little bemused that he who you angered with that little escapade was so willing to forgive and forget, to let bygones be bygones? It is because I took a hand in proceedings there. Know also that he who you went up against there was the Persian, one of the world's 3 most powerful sorcerers (the other two being those I refer to as the Ukranian and the Chinese; I consider myself more a mystic). Know also that you are beyond even him in power now, if you draw on your depths. Really babes, I AM ain't anywhere even near your league. True, his power, when he's operating from the level of his soul as opposed to that of his ego personality, is considerable. But such is rare for him and, even then, he doesn't even come close to touching you. Do not underestimate yourself Kit, learn and accept the extent of your power, and do not overestimate your opponents. In short, get over your fears. Anyway, not only is your power far, far greater than I AM's, also your concerns, understandings and perspectives are far greater, far higher than his. No blame in this on his part, we each have our place in the creation and our own role to fulfill as determined by that place. But you yourself should recognize your own power and its extent babe. Which you do by knowing thyself and living what you are, expressing it, using it. Being united across all the levels of your being, and consistent within them, is also essential. For this latter to be the case you do, of course, have to know and be aware of the various levels of your being, their nature and their movement. In this, you will find the true value of my teachings.
Returning then to I AM, specifically to his position on your claims and why he is denying that anything of the sort took place. Right at the outset I will say that I do not look at things from the perspective of his ego personality. As he himself knows (I told him by PM back when I was a member of OF) I have removed my hand of protection from above him, more specifically from his ego personality, due to an incident regarding Batnose and the temporary removal of one of my threads, Batnose being, incidentally, a former moderator of OccultForums who was also a low-level demon in physical incarnation and who I AM had bent to his will and was, consequently, responsible for. But this removal of my protection from him was his own desire, and the fulfillment of his own path so, this too, was but the fulfillment of his own nature, his own desire. Anyway, this removal of my protection means that the perspective of his ego personality is not contained within my own consciousness, that is what it literally and technically means. So no, I don't know why he is claiming that nothing happened. My guess, arrived at on the basis of logical deduction, would be that perhaps he is a little irritated that you're spying on him, feels you have no right to, and isn't going to give you the satisfaction of saying you're right about something that you had no business poking your nose into in the first place. That would be a reasonable position for him to take no? Though, of course, to do so was a part of your path and there are no rights, only power. And the laws of creation. Also, you weren't gentle in your phrasing with him babes: you called him outright dishonourable in the way he went about his magickal attack. He ain't going to admit to that now in public is he? I happen to think you were right but that's not the point here. The point is that people have their values and personalities, their established belief patterns and their own way of viewing themselves and their place in the world. They will, as a rule, react on the basis of these and will, also as a rule, be very, very unwilling indeed to change them, especially not as a result of what they perceive as hostile and impertinent outside interference. And especially when it would greatly, negatively, impact on how people who they themselves value view them. Also, he does genuinely seem to believe that whatever I sent his way he has overcome and, as such, has no fear of being proven wrong in the way you hold that he will, ultimately, be, namely through his own imminent death. As regards this latter, of course, he hasn't even actually begun to feel the cycle I have sent his way, nor is he even aware (it is still at too subtle level, viz that of karma, for his consciousness to penetrate). What he's gone through thus far, which you did indeed, in your own way, pick up on, is the increased rapidity of return of his own past karma, due to the presence in his karmic patternings of his own working, returned to him, now spinning at the rate, and with the weight, of the nature of my own being, the way and the intensity with which I myself learn my own lessons. Now, that's a lot of karmic gravity for him to have within his system and one of its consequences is that all his own karma begins to accelerate, to return to him faster and faster and more and more intensely. Kind of like an object moving thru very curved space-time – near a large star for example – when it's used to just cruising along thru ordinary, not-very-curved space.
Anyway, regarding his possible motivations for denying your position, do note that all I'm doing is speculating and logically deducting. As I said, I do not look at things from the perspective of his ego personality; I have excluded that perspective on reality from my own being.
A charitable interpretation, a very charitable interpretation, would be that what he did he did not do from the level of his ego personality but from a deeper, more unconscious level, such as (for him) the level of his soul. I doubt this though, highly. In short, and to put it bluntly, I'd say he's lying. For his own reasons to be sure, and perhaps from his perspective justifiably so, but he's speaking with a forked tongue nevertheless. To repeat babes, keep the faith in your own abilities, in yourself. They will serve you better and guide you truer than anybody or anything else can.
However, because it would be instructive to do so, let us look at things from the most extreme other perspective possible, namely that *I* am off in a fantasy in my own head and that whatever you saw was just the turning of my own mind, playing within itself. That an aspect of my own mind created the attack, that I imagined it was I AM, that the force of my own delusion was what enabled that attack to destroy a problem within me which had irritated me for my whole life up to that point and that I AM himself did, in fact, have nothing whatsoever to do with any of this. Well, in such an instance he has nothing to worry about for - whilst my blast of will * was* directed at him it alone wasn't enough to do any real damage, nor was it intended to - and the rest was done through the karmic mechanisms and, through the operations of those mechanisms, is returning to its author. So, from this "extreme other perspective" the whole working, speeded up and increasingly weighted as it is to the level at which I operate / learn my own lessons, is returning to me as I would be the author of it. Upon its return it will, karmically and hence inviolably, cause me to completely overcome both ego and arrogance, lessons which I have already mastered anyway. That is to say, it will have no real effect. However, if I AM is the author, his own working returns to him, karmically and hence inviolably, with the consequences we've already covered. Karma does not "get lost" nor does it return to a point it did not originate from. It is the basic order of creation after all and that which creation is "created" with. So, even in the case of this extreme perspective, which I'm sure many will take whether you quote this part of my mail or not, the truth of it all will be known in time, karmically and hence inviolably so. It is a fairly ridiculous perspective to take though I'd say. After all, it requires that I am so incompetent a sorcerer that I am unable to tell when I am under psychic attack and when not and that, further, I am unable to tell where such attack comes from. That would be just plain inconsistent with what I know and even with the perspectives and explanations I offer. Still, I'm sure some people WILL take it and, thereby, will the relevant aspects of their own being which cause them to take that perspective be destroyed when that perspective itself is destroyed. So just regard such objections with amusement if you encounter them, wait, and watch their authors defeat themselves as they fulfill their own natures.
Which brings us nicely to another point concerning working strategically, within the context of the laws of creation, namely that people will, through their own hand and by their own actions, defeat themselves if they're coming from a lower, less enlightened level than you (which they will be ). All you have to do is wait and walk your own path, as per the dictates of your deepest nature, that is to say Spirit. The laws of creation will, through their own operation, do the rest for you. Which, in this world, simply means: let cyclicality do its work, use it rather than fighting against it. This does not, as I think you know very well, mean that you just follow a policy of inaction generally breaking that policy only to do fluffy, light actions. Sometimes the expressions of Spirit is very "not nice" indeed. For example, returning to the I AM case, what I was really doing when I withdrew my hand of protection from his ego personality was utterly annihilating that ego personality, and I knew it. This is because all that is not within my being will, very shortly indeed, simply cease to exist. I am destroying this entire creation and recreating it from the source as per my will, that is to say as per the nature of my own being, which, in turn, was determined from the deepest level, namely that of Spirit. I covered all this, from a slightly different perspective, in my set of posts on 9/10th December if you recall ("The Lucifer Experiment" , "The Nature of The Reality post-2013" et al). So yes, from back then I knew that his ego personality would, one way or another, be destroyed before the transition. Yet this too he chose, both by his own conscious desire and also pre-incarnatively. You see, I AM has incarnated in a very weird, a very magickal way which basically involved a whole series of big jumps. It was the fastest way for him to do it, and involved a lot of courage for it meant that he would learn his lessons often in quite a harsh, dramatic way. But learn them he would and the destination he had chosen, before he ever came into the whole cycle of incarnations he is on, he would reach. This lifetime his key lessons were, indeed, as he himself realizes to an extent I think, the overcoming of ego and the attainment of humility. As you may have realized, he has learnt neither yet. But the very way The Zhedhi Order, and hence I, fights and hence also the very nature of our existence and all that we do, is to accelerate people's spiritual and esoteric progress, along a certain, specific path, as per our decision in each particular case. The following excerpt from a PM I recently sent someone over on astralpulse should explain this matter more fully for you:
"As you've connected a lot of the dots yourself and come very close indeed to cutting to the truth of things, as viewed from your perspective, I thought I'd give you a piece of the puzzle which I have not addressed publicly. Namely as regards the "annihilation on all levels" thing. If you look at a lot of the mystical pathways one of the dominant goals that has throughout history been strived for by mystics is union with God, the drop returning to and merging, completely, with the ocean to the extent that there is no difference between drop and ocean, they are perfectly united, completely One. Even such modern, and high-level, mystic paths / schools such as San Mat (also known as Radha Swami) hold this as their goal and seek to attain, actually do attain it. Yet what, in essence, this is is the destruction of the soul and ego personality, their subordination to Spirit, such that no coverings, no sheaths, are left over Spirit and further that Spirit is returned to its original pristine condition, of the pure nature of God, unmodified by its interaction with the lower three worlds of mind and matter.
Now, when I cause the annihilation of one or many on every level what I am really doing is causing all their constituent parts to refine back to whence they came. That is to say, their Spirit returns whence it came and is returned to its original form. Or, from another perspective, their spiritual evolution is accelerated very rapidly along a particular, specific, path. It is, in fact, no coincidence that I keep repeating that I fight using the laws of creation themselves yet the majority of my internet presence has consisted in the releasing of high-level, detailed mystical teachings and knowledge. In all cases, when I defeat an enemy or enemies I do so by accelerating their Spiritual evolution along a specific path. Be that death, a change of perception or annihilation of their individuated personality on every level.
This earth, and indeed the creation as a whole, is a school, a learning experience. It is the one constant across creation and the whole purpose of cyclicality. So by furthering that learning process in the fastest, most efficient way possible the whole creation, God's will itself, can be put to work to produce such results as are an integral, and necessary, part of that process."
This too I AM knew pre-incarnatively and hence his choice to play the role he has played and walk the path he has walked. Indeed, this whole drama between the two of us was planned, by both of us, pre-incarnatively, such that we both would with the other's assistance attain certain results we each desired to attain over the course of this current physical incarnation. Which nicely illustrates another important point in all this namely that there are, in reality, no such things as enemies or opposition, only lessons and the various aspects of the creation fulfilling itself. Of course, though that is a very necessary understanding, it holds only from the perspective it originates from. Down here enemies and opposition are often very real and, as such, necessitate very real action. However, know that you have the choice of approaching those enemies from the just-detailed higher perspective and that, by so doing, you do, as we've already covered, allow them to defeat themselves through the fulfillment of their own nature.
[...]
And finally, I'd like to end this mail with some song lyrics which are, at this point in time, quite prophetic indeed:
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
And I say it's all right
Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
All the best babes, and lots of love,
Oazaki
Quoted from the "Am I really dying"-thread on OF.
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=6881
Originally posted by Van-Stolin
Hey Oazaki, I went and translated your name for you using a tool I found to let me type japanesse hiragana and then turn that into kanji and then I let Babel Fish translated that for me, so far it has proven to be realiable, but I still don't really trust it. It seems that your name means, It is shallow coming and the kanji is #12362;#27973;#12365;. If you know anyone that translates good, then I am sure you can find a better meaning to your name from the kanji.
Ace, thanks for that Van-Stolin. I like that interpretation much better! [:)]
all the best,
Oazaki.
Man, that was some heavy reading... [xx(]
To what degree do people think Oazaki is self-deluded.
In other words, he's clever. He makes predictions. However much he merely observes his emotions and does not identify with them, he must have noted a passing interest in himself that his predictions come true. He claims to love humanity and be relating profound truths and it would seem like someone in that position would also hope (fleetingly, of course) that these predictions would come true, so that people find him intriguing.
Unfortunately (for this hope) the predictions have not come true. This is indirectly and directly denied. Actually rather more explained away or ignored. That has to cause some irritation, intra-psychic frustation (again, fleetingly, since it passes, as other emotions do through Oazaki like stubborn kernals of corn can sometimes pass untouched through the intestines).
Do you think he buys his own bs? And to what percentage? And what mechanisms of repression, denial and avoidance do you think are involved?
I am rather shocked to find that I think he deludes himself to a degree of say in the high 80s to low 90s, %wise that is. In other words he has convinced himself that his failures (as measured against self-proclaimed perfection) do not bother him, and futhermore are meaningless. That is a feat of intra-psychic gymnastics I am impressed by.
When he tells us in his offhand, I don't need to brag while bragging manner of his magical acomplishments and power - a clever method used by many gurus and cult leaders - does he know what he is doing?
Does he know that he is playing up his indifference as a method of 'seeming' to be what he claims to be. Or is he unaware of his own psychology? And which is more dangerous? And which is more dangerous for HIM?
He makes it clear that nothing can 'get' to him. Because to people more aware of their own feelings and psychology, more open to their whole being, his 'stated' indifference and transcendance can seem rather advanced. Again, the question: How much does Oazaki buy this himself?
His metaphysics seem like a fairly coherent rehashing of eastern religion, magical traditions and thinner new age philosophy. But not something new. A high percentage of the people posting here could probably manage the same without much effort IF they were willing to roll play and updated EST or lifespring leader's certainty and unaffectedness. So I am not really interested in him per se, anymore, but as an example of denial's viral need to be affirmed by others.
Maybe other people have noticed that the mirror at home often reflects us more flatteringly than mirrors out in the world, especially mirrors we suddenly come up, say in an office. We get used to the angle and the light, of course, how to hold ourselves in front of the mirrors at home. But there's more to it. I think we actually overpower the honesty of the mirror. We need it to reflect back an image we can accept. This achieved reflection is not self-love.
By denying again and again his own psychology and actual unconscious needs and processes, Oazaki does not come closer to self-love, however much he presents as loving himself with all his grandious statements and IMPLIED HINTs (I cannot overstate how much he implies his power and greatness).
On the physical plain the bully with huge muscles continually displays his lack of fear by being tough. Some do it by taking risks. But...well, you know what they are really doing and it does not bring them home.
He needs us to be like his home mirror. He needs you to affirm his position. If you get ticked off, it affirms his position, because he can come back unaffected, showing what he thinks is more enlightened. If you become a follower, well then you really are as affirming as that beloved bathroom mirror. Any disagreement with him, even questioning, gives him an opportunity to show how unnaffected and above it all he is. How you have confusions which he does not have.
He needs us. Badly.
He will keep coming here and to other forums. To keep that fear at bay. To maintain the image.
To see his own doubts and strong emotions in others so he can feel superior to those emotions and doubts rather than owning them.[/b]
I think that pattern that Oazaki plays out on the internet is widespread. I don't think he is so important. But that we recognize this pathology in ourselves, in the guy at work who tries to make us feel stupid or weak, or 'out' somehow in relation to the boss. In all the people who depend all denying their own reactions and fears as a way of trying to get others to give them power. It is common. If you work in the service industry you can see them coming when they come in the cafe, the restaurant, the bar, etc. In body language they convey superiority, indiffernce and from that vantage can be very 'giving'. If you worry about something, they tell you how they do not worry. Etc.
For showing us that pattern is such a pure form, Oazaki is unwittingly doing us a great favor. Via the pure form we can learn to see and not fall for the more subtle kings and queens, god and goddesses stomping around, trying to get a bit over on us.
Via the pure form we can learn to not do this ourselves. Or to ourselves.
I agree that people are learning from Oazaki's posts, but I disagree with how you see Oazaki as denying his being. To me it's not all as complicated as you have been presenting it to be.
I think Oazaki has just transcended the neediness to re-act. He also said that he knew beforehand that many would not beleive the things he would be posting. So why would he waste time 'throwing fits' about something he probably already came to a peace with before he even started his... internet postings thing?
Here's something to think about:
TV programs show that when someone feels fear they are supposed to act in some behavioral pattern. But not all people act to their emotions in the same way... let alone let them (whether conscious of unconscious of it) control their actions.
Denial is a vibe that one gives off and in re-action the physical body releases some chemicals/hormones that make it seem more 'real'. This re-action is what many call 'fear'.
Do you think anyone whose actions don't match the behavioral criteria you have been conditioned to base your actions and thoughts with at least as of your last post are denying their being?
What if your beleifs are causing you to see things backwards?
Anytime someone gets 'mad', do you think they have to scream "GOD-DAMMIT YOU FOOKING ARSEHOLE!" and stomp on the ground, while 'throwing a fit'[?]
No right?
[;)]
It is a shame Oazaki didn¡Çt read my challenge as if it were a real challenge had he done so his thread would still be here. I stated a challenge for Oazaki to state his true motives, for I knew his true motives. Instead of coming clean he referred me to page something or another it was assumed that I were knew nothing and that I hadn¡Çt even studied his work he also added in Oazaki fashion a few needles insults. Due to the way in which he responded to my post he chose his path, which leads us to this one moment right now.
When Oazaki mentioned Starwars as a symbolic reference to the Zhedhi Order he was either bending the truth or outright lying. For it is a reference to the White loge and the Black loge, the White brotherhood and the Dark brotherhood. It should be kept in mind that a Dark brother often claims to be a messenger of the gods. If a man lets him into his heart it shows that he has a weakness in his character that let him in for a Dark brother can¡Çt force his way in. A dark brother seeks to preserve what is material and they are the forces of form and crystallisation. The Dark brother seeks to bring blindness to people and foster the hidden seeds of hatred, criticism and cruelty they cloak there effort with fair words and work with the energies of hate, separation, fear and pride. I think this describes somebody we know about. Now I don¡Çt mean to say Oazaki is a dark brother, he could just be and probably is, deluded by illusions of his own grandeur.
This post has been ready to post since my challenge. I wanted to post the reply immediately and had it all written out. I tried to post the message but astralpulse messed up I considered this is sign that I was not to post the message. My heart told me that Oazaki was manipulating intelligent people and I began to think about how I would expose him. I showed my farther some of his posts and I told him that I was considering that I might challenge him to kill me. I put a lot of thought into this and a lot of thought into the thread being closed down. I decided that if on the slight chance I was to die I would be no use to man for I have a lot to say.
Now I understand why I was not to post the message. I also know there are no coincidences.
If anyone has the full thread they can look up my simple challenge and also take note how people really began to turn on Oazaki after the post this was and is no coincidence. Below is my response to Oazaki after he gave me permission to speak my mind.
Very well Oazaki if you say so, I shall now speak using the Mind.
I stated a serious straightforward challenge. I worded it so to evoke the desired response.
Oazaki KNOW you are an open book, your actions predictable. You have played right into my hand.
I have excited you and through this I have revealed you and you have revealed yourself. It will take time to sink in but will be a valuable lesson for us all. I
I have known of your little thought experiment since my first read of the thread
We shall speak of the instincts
Mans basic instincts. Due to man being one with the all he inherits instincts from the all. These basic instincts are as follows. The instinct of self-preservation, the instinct to create and the instinct to destroy. There are many more sub instincts however they are connected via the three basics.
If one knows the key to mans instincts he knows that the instincts can be excited. If you look in the dictionary excite is described somewhat as follows ¡ÈArouse to strong emotion; arouse or evoke an emotion, arouse sexually¡É When we are excited we loose are sense of reasoning and are more likely to be ruled by instinct. Drunkenness, intoxication, rash decisions and wars are examples of exciting the instincts. When a man is drunk, in rage or stoned his reasoning is unbalanced.
If man by his free will is willingly persuaded to install his will/belief/hope into a receiving agent his instinct may be excited by the command of the receiving agent.
Keeping The Faith
What is faith? Faith in the dictionary is described as a strong belief or hope regardless of evidence, this has some truth in it. As the old saying says keep the faith I interpret that this really means you should keep your hope/will don¡Çt give your hope/will to anyone apart from the self, have hope in thyself.
Oazaki Originally posted
¡ÈFaith is the greatest force within this universe. With it, ye may do all that is possible and even that which is not. Yet ye must channel this energy within thine own soul: keep faith in thy hopes, faith in thy dreams, faith in thyself.¡É
As regards to the do you have faith in Oazaki poll. Ask yourself what do you think he is up to there then?
I ask you all were do you place your faith?
Where does your faith at this one moment reside?
On Illusion
Everything is temporary and kept within its equilibrium. Day follows night and night follows day. At night man sleeps, in day he awakes. At night dark rules, in the day, light rules. Man is sleeping some awake early just before the dawn, some during the day. A new dawn is approaching.
Now is not the time to explain the nature of reality many know already. However if something is temporary does that make it an illusion? To live as if in illusion is reckless it excites the emotions and unbalances the mind rash decisions follow. Live as if reality is temporary because we are only here temporally.
Oazaiki and anyone reading this if you study with care all previous posts. It may dawn on you that Oazaiki has aroused you as I have aroused him by exciting the instincts. Many of you have emotions and thoughts that you kept to yourselves you thought yourselves to be alone with your thoughts and Oazaiki presented information that activated a release of your pent up emotions and thoughts. This released created excitement. Many of you I have read simply can¡Çt wait till the end, until the fun starts happening. Wherever Oazaki manipulated this way knowingly or unknowingly is up to you to decide.
However a careful examination of the Zhedi changes to be made one can see that the changes are designed to arouse emotion and instinct. There are many other example of this sort of word manipulation contained within Oazaki¡Çs wording you can seek them yourselves.
Oazaki Originally posted
As regards what plans The Zhedhi Order has for the future of this planet and humanity, well here¡Çs a few of them:
1. Restructuring of the world's political organisation such that anybody can live anywhere they choose. Each state will be able to decide it's own policies and governmental structure provided certain guidelines are adhered to (eg no taxation, minimal beurocracy, government must be in accord with justice, freedom, pleasantness, etc). Also there will be different states for different purposes / pursuits / people, eg warrior's states, theocratic states, pleasure states etc, as well as more mixed states.
2. Advanced technologies will be released, eg AIDS and cancer cures and vaccines, free energy sources, cars that run on water, etc. Also off-planet technologies will be introduced, most notable amongst which, I'd say, will be lightsabres and teleportation gates. But then again I¡Çm biased, especially about the lightsabres!
3. The environment will be repaired, cleaned-up and improved.
4. Education will be radically overhauled to actually make it interesting and useful, eg the classes will be on things like meditation, combat, astral projection, etc.
5. The nature of economics will be redefined such that you'll do what you enjoy and the physical realisation of each person's dreams and desires will be far easier, the necessary knowledge, structures and institutions being put into place such that whosoever is willing to do the requisite work can easily see how his/ her dream can be realised and be able to actually go about effectively and relatively easily so realising it.
6. Interplanetary travel and communication will become the norm.
7. People's needs will be provided for, but each and every person will be expected to work for themselves and walk their own path, stand on their own two feet. That having been said, the nature of such work will not be in the mold of today's economic structure. Rather it will be along the lines of the development and use, expression of your talents and full potential.
8. People won't have a choice as to who they're governed by. One way or another it will be The Zhedhi Order. But it will be a very relaxed form of governance with much freedom to do as you please. And people will be able to suggest and vote on which laws / structures are to exist within their own state. provided such suggestions are just, pleasant, conducive of freedom, etc. In this context I'd also add that under the current systems of government people can in reality choose neither their laws NOR who governs them. The apparent choice regarding the latter is, in fact, an illusion as all candidates in the "race" are on the same side, supporting the same system and controlled by the same strings.
9. Well, life will be a lot more fun. Drugs, sex and more sex will be freely available. Hey, I believe that each should be free to choose for themselves what they do with their own body. Personal development will be a lot easier to pursue, the relevant knowledge and techniques being made freely available along with the necessary supporting structures, eg meditation centres, the "financial" and free time side of things covered, etc. I put financial in inverted commas because the financial / economic system will be overhauled so radically it won't be recognisable anymore.
To give you a timescale on all of that, ie *when* the things detailed above, and some others also, will actually happen:
1. War in USA against US govt in 2004. Result of which will be end of current system of US govt by end of 2004.
2. The Zhedhi Order will OVERTLY take over and control all world govts over course of 2004. Though, as I've already pointed out, that war will not be fought by conventional means. Rather, it will take the form of judgement from above, the expression of divine wrath by means of the operation of natural forces (eg earthquakes, tidal waves, comets and divers other plagues).
3. The Zhedhi Order will OVERTLY take over all economic and financial systems over course of 2005, though some such systems (and some companies also) we will take over before then.
4. The gates to other planets and dimensions will be fully opened and operational by February 26th 2006. Again this will be done by The Zhedhi Order. You will also be able to use the same gates to teleport between various points on the Earth's surface.
5. Both the cure and the vaccine for AIDS will be distributed worldwide by the middle / end of 2005 (on such dimensional levels where this will be a relevant consideration, that is to say on those levels where disease, sickness etc can still exist).
6. Cannabis will be legal, untaxed and freely available worldwide over the course of 2005. It would be 2004 but a year's needed to gather the first big harvest... Cannabis will however be fully legalised over the course of 2004. And I¡Çm sure some enterprising individuals will sort out something re: some sort of supply¡Ä
7. By 2006/7 there will be Temples of Venus worldwide with highly skilled priests and priestesses for the sexual pleasure and education of the public.
8. In 2006 off-planet entities will OVERTLY AND PUBLICLY enter Earth's evolutionary path.
A Message
Along time ago a messenger came to earth. Note the messenger is not important only the message. The people alive at that time knew of a coming of the called Messiah they had visions of the messenger being a tall powerful skilled warrior who would free their people from Roman occupation.
When the messenger awoke all he had were words. Due to the built up expectancy of the messenger and the unbalanced instinct of men in power the messenger was cast aside. The message still survives.
We shall now speak of the Dove and the Raven
The Raven
It is said that the raven used to walk normally as other birds however he wanted to step gracefully as the dove. The Raven gave up his normal way of walking and tried to imitate the dove he almost broke his bones in the attempt, the other birds mocked him. The Raven tried to revert back to his original way of walking, but he had forgotten.
The Raven appears first in the bible and was sent out of the Ark and doesn¡Çt return he circles the ark until the water is completely gone. Ravens are regarded as birds of destiny and omen. In Hebrew legend the raven was cursed by Noah for refusing at the first request to leave the ark. The raven has a reputation of being cruel to its young this is why god takes them under his special protection. During the first three days after birth when the parents neglect them, maggots grow forth from the parents dung so that they have food until their feathers turn black and their parents return.
The raven not happy with his lot in life tried to take that which was not its own consequently the other birds mocked him.
The above explains the raven.
The Dove
The Dove has thirty-one references in the Bible the pigeon eleven. It is the most important bird in the Bible. The words Pigeon and Dove are synonymous in Hebrew the same word is found variously as Pigeon or Dove.
The Dove is sent out of the Ark three times firstly to return having found no place to rest. Seven days later it was sent out again the Dove returns in the evening with a fresh Olive branch. Noah waited seven more days then released the Dove for a third time the Dove didn¡Çt return.
It is said that the Dove is beautiful and pure it is also said that the spirit of god descends upon Jesus in the shape of a Dove (New Testament Matt 3:16)
The Dove was never worshiped by the Hebrews, although it is a clean animal it is not mentioned in the old testament as food for diet. It is also said that the Dove is Monogamous and points the way for mankind. If a dove looses his mate he doesn¡Çt seek company of another he has memory of the fellowship that was lost. Instead he chooses to be alone and without the company of man.
The dove is a messenger not unlike to the first messenger discussed. He brought Noah Word. Despite this how much religious teaching is based around the Dove?
The above explains the Dove.
As to the meaning of Noah and the Ark this is not up for discussion.
Treatment of others
As of the treatment of others who challenged you, you should not only listen but also hear what is said. Tests and lessons come from the most unusual sources. Keep in mind everything you have thought said and done brings us to this moment. You out of your own free will started this thread, you again out of your own free will elevated yourself higher then others and survived by treating others as ignorant. You, again out of your own free will have brought destruction and humiliation upon yourself all this by your own hand!
Not only this but you have kindly set an example of yourself. If we consider the three basic instincts of the all. We have the instinct to create you created this thread. We have the instinct of Self-Preservation by stating your claim as king of kings you knew that people would question your kingship and consequently you would have to try and survive these claims. Then we have the instinct to destroy, your words speak of destruction your goal was to cause destruction and your thread is destroyed. On this you have brought destruction to only one, yourself. All this brought about by your own free will those who seek destruction find it!
This thought experiment of yours in some ways has succeeded. Even a fool as you and I well know, has within words of wisdom.
Oazaki Dove or Raven?
Oazaki I encourage you to seriously study the final passage of revelation with great care.
If any of you feel a bit down after reading to fully understand this post I suggest you download a tune wrote by the streets its called Stay positive having heard this download ¡ÈQueen of the crime council dialogue.¡É The meaning of which should be obvious
Words are the language of the soul
May you be as wise as Serpents
And harmless as Doves
I speak truth I see clearly my eye is
Open
BIRDMAN
quote:
I see clearly my eye is open
*blinks twice* Me too.
I am not convinced to beleive that Oazaki isn't what he is though.
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oh man, Im tired of these long posts.
I'd like to point out that any public psychological profiling done on someone, tends to reinforce and encourage those habits of which you speak of.
I have been guilty of a lot of things such as this and others, and I think its time we start reexamining why everyone (Or just a strong few) are so interested in Oazaki's spins.
1st) Oazaki. See what you've done?
(This is a question that can be seen on so many different levels, so don't expect that by answering with anything but the surface answers, you will be heeded as though thoughtful. The asnwers are already there.)
2nd) People. The tendancy to search for something beyond us, is a natural occurance that has been there with us all along since man begin painting on cave walls.
The whole quest for the divine has been ingrained within us. Whether it was naturally there to begin with does not matter, because over 35,000 years ago we began seeing evidence of this. That has given the human genome enough time to adapt to the qualities of a seeking intelligence and enough time has gone by that I think we instinctively know somehow, it is about time for something to emerge because of that. I mean on a genetic level even. As though we have an alarm clock within us.
3rd) People. We have a natural tendancy in groups, to select those few of us we find unsuitable for the rest of the "herd" so to speak. Oazaki might seem to some as delusional because of the irrational behaviors some feel important to point out. This in turn can encourage those behaviors and only create more.
4th) People. Also that need to debate. On forums we find it not only easier to debate and argue, making it a much more efficient place to do so for everyone, but also increasing the amount of that which for many is debatable.
5) People. The need to affirm themselves on forums is exponential, because there are so many people, it feels very easy to get lost and forgotten when one person is trying to be heard of another. Post after post and eventually we were just words in a sea of information.
So I conlcude, that because of our natural needs, we reinforce Oazaki's habits, and his reinforce ours.
We feed off of each other.
So unless you people really are excited at the debating process (Which many, including myself, are)and of just stating your opinion about someone who believes themself a prophet or otherwise, if you really are sick of Oazaki or like minded individuals or just anyone....
dont reply.
Im not telling anyone to not reply, Im saying, if you are truly frustrated by this situation in which you believe that Oazaki needs to listen to you and come around, realizing that you are right, dont hold your breath.
I still think he is looking for cult followers - and it looks like he found a few here since he gave out his yahoo email address.
Cults always start with small numbers of true followers/beleivers.
As he disappears from the AP -- or so he says -- he will no doubt turn up on other sites inserting whatever seems appropriate from his large cyber library of postings.
He is lost in his own cyber world and fantasies. Anyone who spends that much time posting overly long and convoluted posts just to prove his claims of godhood, probably doesn't have much else to do in life.
Maybe he is just lonely. Or maybe he is just schizophrenic. Or maybe he is just lost in his own delusions. Or maybe he just has a massive ego that needs constant feeding in some attempt to see if anyone "believes" in him. Doesn't matter which or what.
Fact is none of us really know much about any of the people we correspond with on the internet - that's the fun of it. We can all have our alternate personas "out" - while we go around doing whatever we do wearing our public masks.
So whomever and whatever he is, one thing he isn't and that is God.
He has no special powers or knowledge that isn't already out there in some philosophy or religion or belief system. He doesn't control any earth/human transitions and his Zhendi Order is just something he made up or voices in his head.
You may recall I invited him to tell them to come on down and talk like civilized folks. Anybody seen them yet? No, I didn't think so.
I like predictions and prophecy as much as the next person - but the test of the prophet has to be that his prophecies are true. So far, nothing.
Now he will get all mad again and get his panties in a bunch,again.
Oh, well.......JD
Heh, this just keeps getting more and more interesting.
Trying to be as objective as possible, I still believe it's not completely possible to come to a conclusive decision on Oazaki just yet. As far as I'm concerned, there are as many points *for* the idea that he's just some kid with a good imagination, delusions of grandeur and way too much time on his hands, as there are against it.
For various reasons I'm not going to raise those points on this thread. I will say though, that the "failed" predictions don't yet seal the deal for me despite things I said when I first got into the original thread. Reason being, when Jesus made his own predictions about the end of the age, they took thirty years to come true. That's more than enough time for anyone to label him as a failed messiah -- and yet at the end of those thirty years, the temple fell, the city was sacked in the midst of historically recorded supernatural events, and the Church subsequently spread across the earth, in short, specifically fulfilling every one of said predictions.
If there really is no real substance in anything Oazaki has said, the alternatives, for him, aren't pretty. Probably the best case would be if he's simply someone who sees what many of us see -- the world around us going nuts, and quickly hurtling us into what could be a time of unprecedented darkness -- and wanted to be proactive about it in the only way that he, as one person, knew how. I sincerely hope this is the case, that his motives are good, however misguided they may or may not be. I lean toward this explanation more than others, because he doesn't seem to me to show many tell-tale signs of a cult leader, in that he hasn't really asked anything of anyone. Dangerous cults are all about the personal gain of the leadership -- and what exactly has he gained from all this? Not a whole lot in material terms, as far as I can see. I don't think his aim was to acquire believers, as one who has this as their goal usually makes claims that are a lot more readily digestable. If all he wanted was attention, then this is certainly a bizarre, time consuming, and potentially dangerous way to get it.
The other alternative is that he's knowingly leading us all on, for whatever the reason. If this is the case, he's going to have a whole helluva lot to answer for. It would mean he's spent about two years attempting to create a huge distraction during a time when every little bit of energy that can be put toward finding and implementing real solutions to real problems is of the utmost importance. He's also promised healing to a lot of people, which, if he knowingly can't back up those claims, is of course a pretty effed up thing to do. For someone who has so much to say about karma, this is certainly the most ironic scenario.
For my part, it doesn't really matter to me which is true. I have personally gained a lot from this discussion, in the form of stimulating debate, as well as the inspiration to pursue many new leads in my spiritual life.
In addition, I am, and always have been a rather solitary type, giving no allegiance to any group or organization, but undying loyalty to VERY few who earn it. I find this is the best way to fulfill my ideals, and to not get myself sucked into any situations I'd come to regret. As such, I'm preparing for the "end of the world" in the exact same way as I'm preparing for the eventual end of my life -- by doing my best to fulfill my ideals, by living free, treating others well, and not being dogmatic in any of my expectations. My only hope is that when either "end" comes, my pursuits will have lead me to the point where I can face the transition with strength and courage, and come out on the other side ready for another round of learning.
So Jennadots
"it is a fact none of us knows about the people we correspond with" I guess that means that not only is this a not a world we create for ourselves (there would be no FACTS if there was) you also are declaring that we are all stupid and unable to "see" across time or space although we are all involved in a section in prophecy!! How is it you know so much about how we function or are only describing youself?
Mike, I am by no means even implying anyone is stupid - and don't know where you got that from. Just that for all internet communication is, it is not the same as face to face contact with real names, body language, eye contact and the nuances of personal involvements. Each has its place in our lives. You don't "see" me any more than I "see" you. This internet reality - world as you call it - represents only a part of the real person doing the posting - or at least I always assume so.
Few of us ever reveal our whole selves to most people we know either in person or on the internet. Just plain human nature to guard our inner selves and vulnerabilities. Its how we protect ourselves and that is hardly stupid.
And great thoughts, Palehorse. Tho if I remember my Bible correctly, Jesus said something like not another generation will pass before his predictions come true. Not another generation did. Or maybe that was someone else in the Old Testament which does indicate that someone earns the title of prophet only if the prophecies happen.
Pretty strict measure and one which I doubt the modern day psychics, even the most on target of them, can live up to.
Of course, I do beleive most of us here are at least a little bit psychic or have unusual talents and abilities that drew us to the AP in the first place. It is what makes the various forums so interesting.
I have no grand predictions to offer. Wish I did. Tho I do tend to sense earthquakes about a day before they happen. I never know where they will happen, I just seem to know it is earthquake day. Probably most of us have some similiar odd little things we are able to do.
In any case, I don't have a clue as to what will happen tomorrow, next week, or next year. Just things I hope happen and things I hope don't. Most of them have to do with peace and healing. [;)]
Have a great weekend. Jena
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And great thoughts, Palehorse. Tho if I remember my Bible correctly, Jesus said something like not another generation will pass before his predictions come true. Not another generation did. Or maybe that was someone else in the Old Testament which does indicate that someone earns the title of prophet only if the prophecies happen.
Pretty strict measure and one which I doubt the modern day psychics, even the most on target of them, can live up to.
You do recall correctly; Jesus said in all three synoptic gospels "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." He also said "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."
The point is that thirty years is a long time to wait in order to confirm someone's status as a true prophet, and probably the basis of the "falling away" that was predicted to happen before all those events. Unfortunately for those who fell away, it might very well have cost them their lives.
In our case, we only have about five months to wait before we can safely decide whether or not to disregard Oazaki completely, which isn't very long at all, and requires nothing other than our suspension of judgment until then. Since there's really nothing to lose by doing so, and potentially much to lose if there *is* anything to his story, I see no reason not to. (Pascal would be proud, heh...) The last thing I'll say is that if we were to assume he is telling the truth, then it makes logical sense to me for a number of reasons that we haven't seen any dramatic confirmations yet.
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Of course, I do beleive most of us here are at least a little bit psychic or have unusual talents and abilities that drew us to the AP in the first place. It is what makes the various forums so interesting.
Yeah, that thought has occurred to me too. I've definitely gained a lot by being here... though unfortunately my original goals of becoming proficient at AP and LD are still ever elusive. Sigh.
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I have no grand predictions to offer. Wish I did. Tho I do tend to sense earthquakes about a day before they happen. I never know where they will happen, I just seem to know it is earthquake day. Probably most of us have some similiar odd little things we are able to do.
You should come be my early warning system for when my state is about to break off into the ocean then. If there's gonna be a big earthquake somewhere, chances are that it'll be us. [:P]
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My heart told me that Oazaki was manipulating intelligent people
I think you got very close to something here Birdman. But perhaps not close to what you think you are...
Hi Palehorse.
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In our case, we only have about five months to wait before we can safely decide whether or not to disregard Oazaki completely, which isn't very long at all, and requires nothing other than our suspension of judgment until then.
I'm going to play my role as Mr. Dissenting Voice and take issue with this statement. Why do we have five months to wait? Why are Oazaki's latest predictions being considered as the arbiter of his veracity when his previous predictions were not? In the past when his predictions have failed he has simply given an excuse and provided some new ones. If, after these five months are over, Oazaki does the same, giving an excuse and providing a new set of predictions for March 2005, are you likely to say, "Well, we only have three months to wait before we can decide whether or not to disregard him, and we should suspend judgement until then"?
At a rough guess, Oazaki has made twenty or so separate predictions, all of which have failed. Do we need to wait for 21 to fail before coming to a decision? And if so, why not 22? Why not 30?
Other than simply being his latest, what is it about these predictions that make them more fit to base an opinion on than any of those that have come before? Is it just because of the nice end-of-year cut-off point?
Perhaps I'm a little biased since I've been at least indirectly involved from the start, recalling Oazaki's very first claims back on OF, but to me suspending judgment for another five months after having already been expected to suspend it for over a year in the face of complete failure seems too much to ask.
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I've definitely gained a lot by being here... though unfortunately my original goals of becoming proficient at AP and LD are still ever elusive.
Have you tried the Wake-Back-to-Bed method of inducing LDs? It's the method that I've had the most success with, after zero success with tedious reality checks.
Dear Quiet Storm,
of course he doesn't have to throw fits. My read on him is that he makes a point of pretending he does not react as a dominance game. (I mean you and I use our intuition and feelings to the best of our abilities around this person and you have chosen to respect his output and I am obviously critical and so logical arguement won't get us very far in changing eachothers minds) For me, when I read his posts I feel someone playing a game, making a point of being above it all, of showing himself over and over as above it all, while investing a great deal of energy in bragging and saying how great he is. I hit that excrement every day. I think in some ways its easier to catch that pattern out in the physical world, when people try to get over on you. You know, imply or state that you are weaker than them BECAUSE you react. The hot business community has that stuff down pat. Its an environment where 'fear' and 'worry' and other emotional reactions are looked down, chided, judged, forced into hiding. The 'superior' high powered traders and dealers and sales people learn to or are innately good at denying these feelings. Sometimes these feelings come back later when they face the things their fears were trying to warn them about all along.
anyway. That's the kind of unpleasant pattern I feel/see in Oazaki. Obviously its not your take on him. I just want it to be clear what I am saying. I am not saying he should write in angry red capital letters when he sees someone disagree with him. I feel his rage anyway, in the way he implies or states his superiority at every turn.
He looks down on emotions and considers them a weakness. You know, nice person, but emotional. He says things like that. He can say over and over that he does not judge, but the judgements are there.
Aileron said
I'd like to point out that any public psychological profiling done on someone, tends to reinforce and encourage those habits of which you speak of.
that's an interesting point. For me I don't think he will break out of his pattern until he is willing to look at his needs and the emotions he is denying. Just so it's clear, I am not trying to get his attention and draw it somewhere. I am afraid it will take force to reach him and that's not something that interests me. But I do find him interesting as a phenomenon. I mean, in the beginning he bugged the excrement out of me, because he reminded me, I realized later, of people who have felt they deserved higher positions, pressed for that, judged me, taken undeserved power, claimed expertise they did not have,etc. I find it useful to use him as a foil to see what hooks there still were for me in that pattern. The pattern being that my gut says there is something empty and or messed up about the person claiming greatness, etc, but the fact that the other person does not show (or ever perhaps feel) his own self- doubt makes me doubt my own direct and accurate reaction to them. I assume on some emotional level that they have the same thoroughness and willingness to go into the confusing areas of the self that I have (its taken a while to realize this and feel good about myself there).
This can happen in little ways between any two people. This can happen in big ways where someone really embodies this pattern and is power or false-self-image hungry, as this case feels to me to be.
The truth is I don't care about his predictions, whether he is an accurate predictor. That's not a good measure of enlightenment anyway. There are many psychics out there who make fairly accurate predictions, or can sense ghosts in your house, or can tell you accurately (with subtly damaging slants) about your pasts lives, all of whom I would not ever in a million years use say as a babysitter for my child. Or share my real feelings with, or come to with a problem. Or want them to be my sister's guidance counselor, or spiritual teacher for that matter.
because they are not grounded. because they want to get over on me because they judge emotions and need those people who experience more deeply their own feelings so that they can look down on them and feel reassured "yes, I am superior." Play polarities with his own emotions in some elses body. Maintain the split. Some of these people are quite 'nice' and 'giving', but there is a bargain in their giving.
I mentioned the predictions because in his sidestepping and face-saving manouvers he is so reminiscent of politicians, even some of the ones he hates and has decided to magically kill, and is, in his realms, shockingly similar to in hubris, violence and sense of entitlement. His psychology comes to the fore there because his predictions are important to him and to his sense of who he is and who he wants us to think he is.
So its been useful for me to look at react to Oazaki to see what the bargain is in his case, what the remaining hooks are for me, how does this play out now, in my day to day life.
Oh, I just saw you wrote this:
Im not telling anyone to not reply, Im saying, if you are truly frustrated by this situation in which you believe that Oazaki needs to listen to you and come around, realizing that you are right, dont hold your breath.
well said.
sorry, I should edit, but something is not working, hence another post.
Dear Quiet Storm,
when I read your posts I a get a sense of your emotional reactions (through my filters of course). That you get a bit ticked when people dis Oazaki. That you like what he has to say. That you are yearning for things. ETc. You don't say these things directly. At the same time you do nothing to deny them. To make us think you are other than who you are, have feelings other than the ones you are having. That's my take anyway. And I respect that. I think that is integrity. I would never hire a babysitter (my example above) over the internet, but you get an interview, while Oazaki does not. Do you get what I mean? I don't believe he does not care, has transcended, etc. I think (rightly or wrongly I feel I need to say) that he is very conscious of 'how to play it'. You disagree. I get that. I just want to be clear about what I am saying and how I am reacting to him. I don't expect to change your mind, but I do want to make it clear about how I am reacting so you know the issue. And it does come down to intuition I think. Neither of us will talk the other out of their reactions to him.
I personally like the fact that you accept and are aligned with your emotions, even if we disagree. I respect that much more than what I feel in him. But maybe he does model for you what you want and what you want to be.
You know, people always talk like they are just one person, but I often find a group in me. I think multiple personalities are more widespread than we like to notice. Parts of me hope that you, in the end, decide that Oazaki is not for you. Parts of me feel like if he is what you want to be like...godspeed. Go for it. It's good if everyone heads towards heaven as they wish it.
That just ain't my heaven, know what I mean. Damn, wouldn't want to live in the same building. "That's your problem, I can put my trash wherever I like. (aside to his friend, "Look at this guy getting angry, so many hang ups")
Also wanted to clarify what I meant by force. To try to convince Oazaki that he is denying parts of himself etc. That would be interpersonal force and is not something I am interested in. I suppose some people might think of magical force against another, also not of interest to me, but not really
what I meant. REally what I meant by 'force' is that the denial finally draws toward itself something, a really disappointing experience strong enough so that he cannot avoid feeling his disappointment, self-hatred, fear, etc.
No conversation or failed predictions are going to change his mind.
I guess that's my first prediction here.
coben: You are correct. At times I did get a little ticked when people dissed Oazaki because to me it felt like those people were doing just that: dissing and not genuiinely seeking to view all the possibilities at hand to find the truth for themselves. Some of those 'disses' had no context in them. It's like calling a skinny person who is eating a hamburger (mmmhmm) a fat motherf*cking peice of sh*t and being absolutely serious about it.
Is that skinny person fat? Of course not. Does he f*ck mothers? No. (well at least not that we know of heheh) And he certainly isn't an actual peice of sh*t.
It seems like one of their motives was to create an image of intimidation/domination and a false sense of superiority. I think if one wanted to genuninely seek for the truth of it all it would be more important to view objectively all possibilities at hand than to act as if in some competition and not get a clear view of what really might be going on here.
I don't think oazaki has the emotional problems you think he does coben. When he spoke of his emotions, I felt he was really telling the truth. He even spoke of transmuting the energy to use for his benefit, which I have successfully done myself for my benefit, and know that it is possible.
But I also wonder what WAS that 'chip' the illuminati implanted into him...
I am not choosing to judge oazaki just yet. I think he still has until the end of 2004. I beleive that I (and many others) have found a sort of loophole in all of this, and that was the faith we had in ourselves and all, because we are all one. I think that those of us who had faith in themselves that their envisioning of this perfect utopia, along with the 'faith/energy/karmas' we gave oazaki would prove to be useful in manifesting what we beleive to have purpose.
And if none of this happens well then I (and others) might have to consider trying the SAME exact thing Oazaki and the Zhedhi Order have supposed to have done..knowing that time is running out and very fast and that it takes years of arduous work for me to reach a really high level of sorcery, higher than the illuminati's. So chances are that time WILL run out before I can reach that level... so at this point I'd probably have to consider accepting the fact that all humankind is heading towards their doom and that our world is going to go to excrement all because of some reptilians who like to eat cow rectums had declared a New World Order with a plan to keep us as slaves to a certain order of society brought by them so that we may depopulate ourselves into exctinction so they can occupy and then drain the Earth of it's resources, gain a false sense of superiority through their domination, and do the same thing over again when the earth runs out of resources to another Earth-like planet with humans.
All because humanity is worthless scum to the universe with no purpose but to die off. [:D]
and I'd find it very irritative to accept...
I respect that you are putting some trust into Oazaki for the benefit of both yourself and our species, and I must admit that through much of his conceptual dialogue one can easily find the positive aspects of "fighting back" in so much as the words are termed. As well as that infinite hope that there is someone out there doing something different, with a different point of view (Though I must admit much of his information seems to be rehashed new age rhetoric and conspiracy paranoia)of the potential our species carry withit. It is an indescribable relief. It means that ingenuity still exists, that humans still have that verve to break away from the box, that system upon system we think or hope works, but which never really does, can be overcome.
However, even through our hopes we must see the truths bent inward and the mistakes we all make (including oazakis)when faced with the certain possibility of that little light at the end of the tunnel.
Its obvious to me QS you put only enough stock into Oazaki in that were he to be proved completely incompetent of prophetic telling, you could easily accept it and move on, taking as example, the moethods he used that may have been a benefit.
This I think is something most people need to realize often can be the greatest asset to their abilities.
Without making it seem like a "dis" to oazaki, Id like to tell you I find you have a much better understanding of people than he.
I must add though, that in those who search for truth, it is alright at times to make the mistake of viewing things through a narrow spectrum. Its not just objectively we need to see things, but subjectively as well. It needs to be an inner insight telling us, "Hey, I know this person is wrong. I have made the mistake of throwing insults his way for my own known and unknown reasons, and though I will try to lessen those occurances, I still accept the fact that people make those mistakes. It is natural. It is part of who I am and my learning process."
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I'm going to play my role as Mr. Dissenting Voice and take issue with this statement. Why do we have five months to wait? Why are Oazaki's latest predictions being considered as the arbiter of his veracity when his previous predictions were not? In the past when his predictions have failed he has simply given an excuse and provided some new ones. If, after these five months are over, Oazaki does the same, giving an excuse and providing a new set of predictions for March 2005, are you likely to say, "Well, we only have three months to wait before we can decide whether or not to disregard him, and we should suspend judgement until then"?
Before I answer, I must say that I came to this whole thing rather late; middle of this summer if I recall. I read the whole "year 2004" thread in two days. I also read a few of his posts on Occult Forums to try and get a little more perspective, but its just been bits and pieces due to the hack. I think you'd agree that that's a whole lot of material to digest all at once though, so my knowledge and memory of the exact claims he's made might not be the best.
But... as far as I can see, all of the specific dates he's named always came with some disclaimer to the effect that they weren't set in stone. Due to the fluid nature of time and unpredictable variable of free-will, that seemed reasonable enough to me, if a bit frustrating. Another thing that came into my mind were statements in Revelation about how "the great and terrible Day of the Lord" kept being pushed back so that more people would have a chance to wake up, and fewer would be hurt... but as I've shown, that day did eventually come. So, it seems things may have been done in this way once before.
However, the one thing Oazaki has repeatedly put all his money on, paralleling Jesus putting all his own money on "before this generation has passed away," is that very dramatic things will begin happening before the end of 2004. If nothing happens, then he will have joined the ranks of every failed doomsday prophet who has ever wailed gibberish from a street corner. What's more, since nothing overt has happened yet, the bar keeps raising higher and higher, due to the fact of the upcoming election. Since this will probably be the most controversial and polarizing election in our history, I would be more surprised if something weird didn't happen, with or without Oazaki. In other words, if most of the world doesn't know what the Zhedhi Order is by 12/31, I would say without reserve that it's finally time to put all this nonsense behind us.
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Have you tried the Wake-Back-to-Bed method of inducing LDs? It's the method that I've had the most success with, after zero success with tedious reality checks.
I've done it a few times, but no go. My lack of success as of late is my fault though, due to my wacky summer sleep schedule. I seem to have the most dream recall, sleep paralysis, hypnogogic imagery and such when I go to bed before 2 and get 8 hours or more... and that just hasn't been happening lately, heh. I'm hoping that the knowledge I've gained over the summer will bring more success when I'm forced back on a normal schedule in the next week or so though.
Heh, I just had like 4 lucid dreams in a row this morning. Sometimes it just happens spontaneously and naturally. I did the Wake-Back-to-Bed method. Im not sure if it was a lucid dreams or an astral projection though.. probably lucid dream, since I still felt a bet 'dreamy'.
One thing I don't get though is that EVERY TIME I have these experiences they never last more than about a minute. I feel like I have a timer thats about to go off and so when Im in the 'astral/dream world' I run around trying to do whatever I can before that timer goes off and I find myself back in my bed waking up. Heheh...and I've done many things...I once even ran to an astral/dream basketball court around the corner of my aparment and shot some hoops while flying around and stealing balls from astral/dream people who were already playing a game, lol.
Hey QS, any news on that breatharian thing you were doing? Weren't you supposed to be done by now or no?
It's not done yet, but it will be done as of this coming Monday August 30th at exactly 3:27 pm ET.
I am starting feel alot more energetic and clear-headed and I guess from now till it finishes that will only be increasing. I don't have as much of a desire to eat as I did before I started the process. What else can I say? I feel great, and satisfied with where I am at right now. [8D]
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But... as far as I can see, all of the specific dates he's named always came with some disclaimer to the effect that they weren't set in stone. Due to the fluid nature of time and unpredictable variable of free-will, that seemed reasonable enough to me, if a bit frustrating. Another thing that came into my mind were statements in Revelation about how "the great and terrible Day of the Lord" kept being pushed back so that more people would have a chance to wake up, and fewer would be hurt... but as I've shown, that day did eventually come. So, it seems things may have been done in this way once before.
However, the one thing Oazaki has repeatedly put all his money on, paralleling Jesus putting all his own money on "before this generation has passed away," is that very dramatic things will begin happening before the end of 2004. If nothing happens, then he will have joined the ranks of every failed doomsday prophet who has ever wailed gibberish from a street corner. What's more, since nothing overt has happened yet, the bar keeps raising higher and higher, due to the fact of the upcoming election. Since this will probably be the most controversial and polarizing election in our history, I would be more surprised if something weird didn't happen, with or without Oazaki. In other words, if most of the world doesn't know what the Zhedhi Order is by 12/31, I would say without reserve that it's finally time to put all this nonsense behind us.
I like your open-minded attitude Palehorse. Would be nice to see more like it around here [;)]
IMO most people's criticisms of Oazaki are from not really understanding what he is doing. No, he does not hand it to you on a platter. Yes, he has played games. Yes, there has been manipulation. And yes, he has given you the pieces to the puzzle in his threads. Unfortunately most people just jump on the bandwagon and react, rather than spend some time trying to look into it further.
I guess we will know for sure by the end of year, eh? [;)] [:P]
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I like your open-minded attitude Palehorse. Would be nice to see more like it around here [;)]
IMO most people's criticisms of Oazaki are from not really understanding what he is doing. No, he does not hand it to you on a platter. Yes, he has played games. Yes, there has been manipulation. And yes, he has given you the pieces to the puzzle in his threads. Unfortunately most people just jump on the bandwagon and react, rather than spend some time trying to look into it further.
I guess we will know for sure by the end of year, eh? [;)] [:P]
I'm glad someone realizes what *I'm* trying to do here. Yes, I'm still on the fence about him and his claims, but that's because thus far, I see it as the most intellectually honest option. I will admit that I jumped the gun when I first showed up, possibly due to some ego issues of my own. Those being that as an aspiring religious scholar, I saw someone making use of the Bible in a way that was a bit out there even for me (as unorthodox as I am, lol) and so I went into auto-refute mode.
That said, I'm still pretty skeptical about certain claims of his, such as the ones that have him writing Revelation himself, destroying deities and what have you. However, it then occurred to me: what if he's claiming certain things, possibly intended as metaphors, and
deliberately phrasing them in such a way that it will immediately turn off anyone who's ego is propped up by dogmatic beliefs? I could be totally off base, but he certainly seemed to say as much at one point, when he claimed to have taken upon himself all the karma associated with 666... and that's certainly the result he's been getting. It's also a scenario, like many others, that sounds very familiar to me.
Matthew 13:13
"This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."
So yeah, I'm still on the fence about this whole thing, and will probably continue to be until either predictions start coming true, or 12/31, whichever comes first. My concern though, is that like you said, I believe too many people are rejecting him out of hand because he either defied their expectations or poked their ego in some way. I'm here saying that not only is this not a solid basis for rejecting these claims, it's precisely those very things which got a whole lot of people killed some 2000 years ago.
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Originally posted by Adam
I like your open-minded attitude Palehorse. Would be nice to see more like it around here [;)]
I think perhaps I have a different understanding of the term "open-minded" to many. I've always taken it to mean that if evidence is presented it should not be dismissed out of hand based on
a priori assumptions. In Oazaki's case it would be wrong to use some equivalent of, "His claims are crazy therefore I shall ignore them and give them no consideration."
However many people seem to use the phrase to mean that you should continue to give consideration to a claim despite a
lack of evidence, which is something quite different.
Dismissing despite evidence, and accepting without evidence are both undesirable reactions I believe. The first is closed-minded, the second is irrational.
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IMO most people's criticisms of Oazaki are from not really understanding what he is doing. No, he does not hand it to you on a platter. Yes, he has played games. Yes, there has been manipulation.
To be honest I don't see where there has been "manipulation". I see lying, and I see retroactive changes of intent. The idea that he has been doing something more complex is one that originated from Oazaki himself, directly after it became clear that a simple viewing of his comments would conclude that he was a fraud.
I'm certainly not saying that it's impossible for Oazaki to have some complex, metaphor-laden, parable-esque approach, just that we have no reason to think this is the case beyond his own claim. His claims are always perfectly clear right up until the moment they fail, at which point he makes an after-the-fact alteration of his intent.
I find it interesting, and not a little amusing, that a number of people took his original predictions seriously, and yet when he admitted they had been lies, and not predictions at all, these people took this as a point
in his favour and in favour of having supported him. The reaction was akin to "Ha, he's manipulated those who doubted him into reacting against predictions he wasn't making", but what does that say about those who gave the predictions serious consideration?
If there is manipulation then it is far more focused on those who support him, since they are the ones somewhat buying into what he intends, which as we've seen, is subject to change.
My other problem with viewing his comments as clever, complex game-playing is that it leaves us with little basis on which to judge him. If his 2004 predictions fail, should we then dismiss him? Or rather should we assume that it was merely our own shallow understanding that lead us to believe predictions were his intent? If we give Oazaki enough credit and dig deep enough it's possible to twist any comment he makes in such a way as to maintain belief in him.
Is that an approach that he's earned? I don't believe so.
That's it Palehorse, that's it.
But Nameless, I think you are trying box Oazaki and what he says into your own expectations and standards. He fails to meet the ones you have set yourself, and have decided based on your own rules, that Oazaki is not who he says he is.
When I say open-minded, I mean taking an approach that is just that: having an open-mind to all possibilities, and not letting one's ego, and it's judgements/expectations/standards/beliefs/etc get in the way of seeing what is really happening. And if there is one thing in common that posts attacking/deriding/etc. Oazaki have, it's a certain failure to meet expectations set by those making such attacks/etc.
Why is it that you assume Oazaki set those predictions, and when they 'failed' to come true, he scrambled to cover himself? Perhaps he actually meant what he said when those prediction dates were causal. ie. they were meant to CAUSE events?
If Oazaki is who he says he is... do you think that he will match up to most people's expectations of such a person?
I personally don't think it's going to be too much of a worry, the whole 'by the end of 2004' thing. Because my intuition is telling me that this world will not be the same come 2005. And not in a new-agey 'things are always changing' way, either.
Time is the ultimate judge here though, innit? [;)]
I believe that we were given capabilities within ourselves, that allows us to be completely dependant on our own being for answers, guidance etc. And more to the point, I think this internal capacity is to me, the primary means of receiving guidance, assistance, advice... etc etc etc. It exists beyond anything external. I rely on this above and beyond anything else for decisions in living my life... and not just that, but perceptions of reality, the truth of what is going on in this world, other people around me... and so on. And this part of my being knows above all else what is essential for my path, and what is not, and what shall lead me astray.
Which is why when Oazaki came along, I read everything he said with a sense of skepticism - and I still do. But I will admit, when I first read his posts, there was an almost overwhelming feeling of, 'this guy is on the f*cking money!!'. So the feelings (not to be confused with emotions) come first for me, the evidence/proof comes second.
'Why?', some of you ask (I'm sure). 'Will that not lead you astray?'
I live my life according to what is necessary for my path. And as such, I choose to listen to the strongest means I/we have for doing such a thing above any other form.
The other approach is to approach everything from a physical mindset, and need things beyond the physical proved to you. Take the so-called 'skeptics societies' (or whatever they're called) we have around today. Skeptics? Nope! Just closed-minded fools with a physical-mindset.
I believe in taking an approach that leaves nothing out, and believing that there are things out there can exist beyond our typical human perceptions. Simple, innit? [;)]
So that is why I have never jumped on the bandwagon of slagging Oazaki off as being a BS artist. I've refused to make assumptions, second-guess, or think Oazaki is someone he is not. Instead, I've chosen to remain centered in myself, listen deeply to my intuition and trust what I have felt. My intuition comes first - anything external will always come second. And my intuition tells me Oazaki is a little bit more than we here are used-to... [;)] ... and is someone going to tell me that is not my intuition I'm listening to...? [:P]
This just in from a livejournal group I discovered last night. (Note: the image is gone, possibly because the post is old.)
"This is an image from Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero Software charting the novelty factor of December 2003 - December 2004. The vertical line is pointed toward July 24th.
If 2012 is absolute zero, the bottom-most point, then we're going to get catch a glimpse of the future near the climax of the drop, around the end of September.
WHEE!!! O_O
Wooooow.
And I thought the past two weeks have been crazy. ._.
More info on the Timewave Zero here = http://www.levity.com/eschaton/waveexplain.html "
Link to that post with comments: http://www.livejournal.com/community/2_0_1_2/44052.html
In other news, yesterday I was also reading about something that those who follow all things 2012 call "the day out of time," which was 7/25. I don't really know anything about it, other than it appears to be the new year according to the Mayan calendar. Well, I had been writing in my dream journal earlier, and that date stuck out in my mind. I went back to check, and this is my entry for the night of the 25th (note: I was at someone else's house, sleeping on an air mattress that night):
"Whoa... last night right after falling asleep at Heather's, I semi woke up to my head feeling like it was spinning, after I'd been doing meditation And NEW for a while. Then it escalated to where it felt like someone grabbing the corners of my mattress and alternating jerking them up and down. I felt like I was going to fall off, at which point my blanket jerked off me like someone was pulling it off, and I was fully conscious by this time.
Crazy stuff, no? Does anyone have more info or resources on this "day out of time"?
In any case, Oazaki or no Oazaki, I'm definitely gaining the sense that there is indeed something to this 2012 stuff, and things may start to get very interesting, sooner than later.
I saw this at surfingtheapocalypse.com...
*SNIP*
by Judi McLeod, Canadafreepress.com
August 27, 2004
The United Nations, which has a finger in every global pie, and ambitions to take over the World Internet, is inching its way towards calendar reform.
Long on lofty words and windy clauses, the official UN description for calendar reform is, "Calendar Reform and the Future of Civilization" (CRFC).
*SNIP*
Why is the UN itching to change the method by which the world tells time?
It's the Gregorian Calendar. Having replaced the Julian Calendar, the Gregorian was instituted by papal decree in the year AD 1582 and adopted by virtually all nations as the common world standard.
Accepted by virtually all nations notwithstanding, the Gregorian Calendar is irksome to New Agers because the whole world marks time based on the Birth of Jesus Christ. And as far as the occultist UN is concerned, that will never do.
*SNIP*
The final goal is to change the calendar from its present "artificial" 12-month year to a more "natural" 13-month year that more closely parallels the lunar and biological cycles.
The results and declarations from the World Summit on Peace and Time have been submitted to the General Assembly of the UN.
Wild and weird as it may sound, the Thirteen Moon Natural Time Peace Calendar could replace the Gregorian Calendar, courtesy of future UN resolution.
It is, after all, Canadian Maurice Strong and former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev who, under the auspices of the UN, are working on an agenda to replace the Ten Commandments with the Earth Charter.
http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/cover082704.htm
Jennadots
Where do I get it from, well dear, from what you write. Another example of what you write is the belief that there is no spirit world ( that is all just newage talk to you) I can say that becasue you believe there are secrets. Imagine that there really are guardian angels " where are they when you tinkle dear?" Do you imagine they wait in the hall wondering why it takes you so long or are they in the room with you watching? When your playing love games in the bedroom do you think they stand outside wondering what your doing and why your making those funny noises? It is possible they are on the foot of the bed rooting for you to win the wrestling contest dear? If you saw spirits or spoke to them you would know they are on the foot of the bed. You would know that they gossip and there are no secrets and that any one that speaks to spirits or fairies and the like can simply ask questions about anyone and get answers if they are nosey enough. Now you say we can not know who we are speaking to over the internet, well I am more inclined to believe that is your lack of skill speaking and I am asking you to keep your statements to lack of abilities to include only yourself and stop making blanket creations or statements about the rest of us.
QS, god I can only hope that is a realistic source.
If that is true, if the UN is deciding to reform the calendrical system to a thirteen month calender, then it is rebuilding a better perception of earthly interaction for our species.
It would then be more closely related to the mayan calender system which was a much more accurate calender than the current gregorian calender.
One can only hope eh?
Dear Mike. Your response proves my point....you don't know me at all. I never indicated I have no belief in the spirit world or other dimensions. Ironically, in "real life" I have often been accused of living too much in those worlds and not enough in this one.
If you really knew me, you would know your response makes no sense.
As to my skill or lack of it, well, you will never know and I certainly did not make blanket statements about "the rest of us ."
Perhaps you should examine why you see insult where none was intended or even given.
As to secrets - yes, even spirits have them and if you have a problem with them being in your bedroom just ask them for a little privacy.
Works every time. Most will give it to you. Its the ones who won't that you have to work at getting rid of. [;)]
Ah yes, Timewavezero. I remember looking at that a little while ago, and remember looking at mid-2004. If I remember correctly it charts a complete drop starting from July 2004, to either Sep. or Nov.
I'm looking forward to the next few months eh? [:D]
Mikel, please make your posts a bit more good-mannered ! Disagreeing with someone is all well & good, but show a little respect whilst doing so !!
Kind regards,
Mark
Mark
Please explain when Jennadots posts only denigrate oazaki you do not notice? Please explain why jennadots informs this group we are too stupid to know who we are listening to you say nothing? Then you may follow up with an explanation with what is wrong with noticing that jennadots has made blanket creative statements about the people here and thier skills and basic knowledge and I ask her to stop you suddenly find your way here and say this is bad mannered?? I understand she vows and declares she is innocent however take the time ane interest in your job as moderator to read her posts here please! Then recognise it is your responsibility to stop her and if you do not have the interest to do that let someone else do it.
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Please explain why jennadots informs this group we are too stupid to know who we are listening to you say nothing?
Mikel, this is the 2nd time in this thread that you have claimed Jenadots has called everyone "stupid". However, her posts don't say anything of the sort ! I'm sorry that you have got this impression.
In fact, she makes an important point - we do not really know who we are communicating with over the internet, which makes it fun, but also dangerous at the same time.
Both you and Jenadots are entitled to agree or disagree with anyone on the astralpulse - I only ask that you do so in a respectful manner.
Hope this has answered your query,
kind regards,
Mark
Thanks, Clandestino.
Jena
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"Please explain when Jennadots posts only denigrate oazaki you do not notice? Please explain why jennadots informs this group we are too stupid to know who we are listening to you say nothing? Then you may follow up with an explanation with what is wrong with noticing that jennadots has made blanket creative statements about the people here and thier skills and basic knowledge and I ask her to stop you suddenly find your way here and say this is bad mannered?? I understand she vows and declares she is innocent however take the time ane interest in your job as moderator to read her posts here please! Then recognise it is your responsibility to stop her and if you do not have the interest to do that let someone else do it."
Im sorry Mikel, but besides the fact I cannot completely understand what it is you are trying to say, you also are just blindly throwing out accusations.
Nobody has declared her innocent(though without taking sides, people are entitled to the post of their choice in opinion), she has not called anyone stupid, in fact out of many people on the forums, it seems that jennadots is one of the more aware in her statements and declines from use of such incivility towards others here.
What exactly does blanket creative statements mean?
It is not any of the moderators duty to stop people from posting their opinions, however it is theirs to moderate civil discussion without insult and accusation.
I think you may need to read over more of her posts before you begin to censure her of any wrong doing, as well as citing others for their own lack of research into certain actions people here take, for it seems there arent many people here doing as such toward jennadots, nor others.
Mark
let us help you see what i see.
1 in the first sentence of jennadots post she calls a person a attempted "cult leader" then declares that the people who read this forum "have become cult followers" ( Isn't that calling us stupid}
2 in the second paragraph she refers to the same person as having wasted thier life on the internet. (isn't that calling us stupid)
3 the third paragraph she refers to the same person as a schizophrenic lost in his delusions. A person that makes up the voices in his head. ( Isn't that calling all of us that channel stupid)
4 Her last statement is to express that this person will now get their panties in a bunch. ( Do I really need to explain this to you)
Now sir this is personal attack by jennadots and you sir are calling me stupid when you pretend these words by jennadots do not violate the rule you claim you want me to follow. So how about you ask jennadots to follow the rule?? If you allow jennadots to be disrepectful then why are you asking me to behave? Is this simple enough for you to understand? If not I will be happy to try to explain in more detail why i feel your out of line and out of place as a moderator.
Mike, if you will recall, I said he has found "a few" followers here.
And I have the right to express the opinion that Oazaki is trying to start a cult of some sort. You don't have to agree with that.
And, in a discussion that was started on his motivations, I have a right to express some thoughts on why he does what he does. Again, you don't have to agree with my opinions.
Expressing opinions that differ from yours - or that you don't happen to like, is not calling anyone stupid. I am hardly the first or only person to express skepticism over Oazaki's claims and motivations. And generally speaking, he doesn't like any skepticism and has been known to be quite condescending about it.
Just what is your problem about me expressing my opinions and with me? I really don't understand why you are taking anything I said about Oazaki's motivations so personally.
I have made no personal attacks on you. Yet you persist in seeing one
and then claiming "isn't that calling us stupid?" You and who else?
No one else seems to think I am insulting them, except perhaps Oazaki who knows and accepts that I am a skeptic.
Oh, well....you don't have to like anything I or anyone else says here. And you certainly don't have to agree with any of it. No one will call you stupid for expressing a different opinion. And no one has.
But your accusations are a bit out of line - and that is being polite about it.
Enough said....if you want to persist in seeing insult where there is none, persist away.
Actually Jenadots, your posts do have a slight tone of "I'm more superior than those who are more open-minded to Oazaki's stuff than I am".
I don't actually view your posts as insulting (well at least not anymore, and it has been like that for a while I guess) because I already know that you haven't quite figured it out yet and that most of the perceptions you have of Oazaki as well as the people who are more open-minded about his stuff are in fact quite self-deluded, IMHO.
Mikel is just pointing out what your shadow-self is communicating. Yea it's subtle, it's like the 'background' of your posts.
Hi, QS. Ok --
I was open to Oazaki's initial postings. But the further "out there" he got, the more skeptical I became of some of his claims.
Doesn't mean I think anyone is stupid for not being skeptical. And any delusions I had about myself are long gone.
I "get" what Oazaki is saying and what he is not. I just get it in a different way from you is all. I have a different view of it.
And that's OK. Hope you have returned to school and gotten your driver's license and gone out and had some fun during this beautiful summer. I assume your breatharian experience is coming to an end and hope it went well for you. How are you feeling from it?
JD
I can be skeptical when I feel like being skeptical too Jenadots.
The breatharian process is over and done with! and I am satisfied with the transformation. [^]
Here's something to think about:
Every idea is 'true' at one level or another. All reality is a projection and our interpretations of reality are projections also. [;)]
It is a subjective truth based on an objective reality of "reality". [:D]
O
You seem to have two basic portions to your post and I would like to reply to each section in a seperate post.
First "Moderators are supposed to keep it civil" Thank you for recognizing that personal attacks are not civil. Can we also agree there is a difference in pointing out what you find wrong with someones post and personally insulting people? Now I have tried all day to figure out how to call someone a cult leader or follower and have it not be personal or have the recipient feel all warm and fuzzy. Perhaps it is just me however calling someone delusional does not apply to what they have said as much as it seems to be a direct personal attack. I understand your only point in this forum is to ask me to stop posting about jennadots and that you have no interest in this forum except to defend the reputation of jennadots and I would like to point out that no matter how warm and fuzzy you think she is elsewhere right here in this forum jennadots has only posted personal insults to ozaki and anyone that reads his posts. She nor you have anything nice to say or add to the forum and if it bothers you that i notice that may I suggest you go elsewhere?
o
Blanket creations
When you believe you are a child of the creator you may believe you are also a creator. Each statement out of your mouth may engage your creative abilities and form a portion of your future. Personal creations then would be statements that create results for you personally. Good mannered creators then would only create positive events for themselves. They would only say positive statements about the future that would bring joy to themselves. Negative creators are individuals that speak from fear. Thier creative statements start with words like can't, impossible etc. I do not mind them creating lack of abundance for themselves that is thier choice. It is rude and bad mannered to create negative outcomes for the many. " YOU CAN NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE SPEAKING TO ON THE INTERNET " is a direct quote from jennadots and her partner mark. Now look at that creation. First she is creating for everyone in the universe that we have no spiritual knowledge or abilities to see energetically, astrally visit, ask a fairy to go check for us. Now this is a blanket creation becasue it applies to everyone and it is a negative creation becasue it involves lack. So if I recognise that jennadots not only creates for her self that she does not have spiritual ability but that she also demands that I do not have any spiritual ability, I hope you understand that it is my right and duty to refute her negative creations. If you find that this bothers you perhaps you will take all the energy you have set against me and apply them to teaching jennadots the spiritual lessons required for her to develop a postive attitude and the ability to express herself in warm and fuzzy ways while on this forum?
Hi Ladies and Gents,
This thread seems to be going in circles. How about a well earned time-out!
Note mods try to help out on a voluntary basis only, and are forum users 1st and foremost.
Responsibility in terms of keeping it 'civil' sits with all users - not just moderators!
Thanks for listening [:)]
Look after yourselves,
Stephen
P.S With respect to everyone I am locking this thread to put paid to this debate.
I can see that you are not going to give it a rest so I'm locking the thread for now.
Nay
why was that deleted?