Tesseract/The Forth Dimension

[okoklo]

I wonder now, is it possible to see and comprehend the forth dimension (and/or more) using AP.

Here is an example of a hypercube, this is as close as we can comprehend with our minds.



I got this image from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

[GANAMOHA]

if the fourth dimension actually is how we think it is I wouldnt think it would be possible for us to comprehend seeing as we are from, learned from, think in the third dimension but I am not quantum mechanic just a speculator.

[Goober]

When I saw this thread name I got excited. I thought you were talking about this guy that writes music.

http://www.myspace.com/tesseract

Man is he talented. I love the sax solo.









Sorry for getting off-topic.

[outofbodydude]

Well being that I generally project to the fourth dimension when I AP, id say yes. I can see and comprehend my surroundings when Im in the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is just a plane of higher vibrations, I don't see why there would be difficulty. I think maybe your putting the 4th up on a pedistool.

[James S]

Hmmm... reminds me of something else -
Tesserat... a four dimensional rodent?

[3588897]

According to Einstien (I think its him anyways) the fourth dimension is simply time. Thats right, the simple measurement of change according to him is the fourth dimension. So in the astral/etheric planes you should be able to see time and comprehend it. I remember reading that on a physics website (excluding the astral plane bit). I'll try and find it sometime tonight.

[GANAMOHA]

well how can you tell? its not like we know that this really is the third dimension right? we just named the ones we know accordingly (dimension 1.5 LOL) but how exactly do you know that when you ap that you are projecting to another dimension? cant there be more than one level to a dimension. I am starting to go off on a tangent without actually have some solid information on it so I will stop but it all sounds like theory based off theory to me

[Novice]

Well being that I generally project to the fourth dimension when I AP, id say yes. I can see and comprehend my surroundings when Im in the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is just a plane of higher vibrations, I don't see why there would be difficulty. I think maybe your putting the 4th up on a pedistool.

Or it could be that your definition of the 4th dimension is different from Okokla and Ganamoha. I personally find names very restricting and confusing. Even the term astral is used to describe both the etheric and astral planes by many. And some consider OBE and AP to be the same process as well. So before answering the question, I think we first need to define the topic so that everyone is on the same page. Otherwise everyone is comparing apples to oranges.

Do you consider the astral plane to be the 4th dimension? If so, do you include the etheric plane in that definition as well? Personally I perceive both as very different from one another and do not use the same term for both. So if we are defining the 4th dimension as the astral plane, then I do not agree with the comment about it being related to time. In my experiences, time does not seem to exist in the astral plane. There is the sense of space/distance, but not really time.

I mean it exists in the context that when I return from an experience, I remember things usually in a linear framework. However, while there and more often upon return, I understand and experience things in 'chunks'. I'm not sure how to explain this except to use a computer metaphor. Imagine being connected via fiber (faster than a T3) and downloading a piece of data, be it a movie, song, data, whatever. When you download, if the download breaks mid-stream, you cannot open the file -- it becomes corrupt. You also do not view or understand anything about the movie/song/what-have-you during the download. But once its done and on your harddrive, you can see the whole thing (albeit in linear time).

In the astral, when I get information, often times its literally entire chunks that just appear in my mind. I instantly understand an entire series of events without viewing them linearly. Its as if the file, once downloaded to my consciousness, opens up and I see and undestand it all at once. This could be something like a 5 minute exchange between two people, or an entire lifetime. I perceive both, in their entirety, in less than a second. And all communications is telepathic. Its actually pretty cool. I have come to the conclusion that communications in the physical plane is SO incredibly restrictive and ... almost primitive.

I have experienced another plane, but I have no idea what its called and haven't given it a name myself. There are many noticable differences between the etheric, astral and this other plane. But one of the most amazing differences to me, is that not only is communcation done via thoughts, but also via feelings. You instantly feel and hear what others around you feel and think. Its like you are all sharing one consciousness and you are completely aware of every thought and feeling of all of those near you.

I digress...sorry for slightly getting off-topic. The point is that if you consider the astral plane to be the 4th dimension, and that the astral is different from the etheric plane, then I do not agree that it is based on time. Rather the astral extends beyond time, if I'm stating that correctly. Anyways, this is just how I've experienced it thus far.

[okoklo]

Maybe this is what you guys are talking about, but check out the website I had posted at the top of the post.  It seems like there maybe many different definitions to this topic.  Cause if the forth dimension is time (which I have read about also) then what about the 5th - 11th dimension (and maybe even more).

One more thing, the forth dimension being time, is the model I put up in the first post maybe show how we move through time.  lol.  Because I am a little confused now, I mean 2d its a square, 3d its a cube, and 4d aparently is a hypercube/tesseract which is that animation at the top.

lol, a few questions to play with.

[outofbodydude]

Modern day quantum physics has proven that time is not actually a separate dimension.  Science is constantly being proven wrong, or being updated, and that is a very old theory that you have stated.  For example, back then scientists thought atoms were made of physical mass. Now we see that atoms mainly consist of empty dark space, what some scientists even believe is consiousness.  Now when I say the 4th dimension, I do not mean the entire astral plane. What I am referring to is the plane of vibrations that is slightly higher than the physical plane's vibrations. Since everyone considers the physical plane to be the 3rd dimension, I am calling the plane of vibrations right above the physical the 4th dimension. I too do not really put too much faith into dimensions and names and such. There are an infinate number of vibrational planes, or "dimensions" as some people like to call them.

Also, I do not believe time is totally absent in the astral plane. There does seem to be a time-like illusion, only it is much different from that of the physical plane. For example, I may have an OBE and be out for what seems like an hour, then I wake up and its only been 2 minutes. However, it still seems like only an hour, not infinity. I believe that only once we become part of the whole again, the illusion of time will not be present. The astral realm is a plane of vibrations, just like the physical, and also has an illusion of time. It is just a much different illusion.

[loppoppy]

"Here is an example of a hypercube."

"I think maybe your putting the 4th up on a pedistool."

The first is obviously posted by a fan of Cube 2 and the second is obviously into the fourty year old virgin...unless i just watch to many films and see quotes in any conversation..never mind sorry for getting off topic. I like the little image of the "hypercube" by the way i could stare at that thing for hours.

[Hagethuriel]

There is a simple model
1d length    perimeter line
2d width     area   square
3d depth or breadth volume cube
4d time
5d space
but that is an older basal understanding  model

Newer models  have at least 11 dimensions and some argue there are more than that !
4D is globally accepted as a hypercube  mathematically .

The hypercube is not constrained in the same manner as the physical dimension . What is on the inside becomes the outside as you will see if you watch the animation loop . If you leave the home in 4 D you find self in the home again . Why ? because there is an etheric copy .

Metaphysicists readily agree that there is an Ether above each home and city but there is also a lesser known subetheric below each home and city . These are much more stable than the periphereal etheric areas which bleed into one another . Imagine for example a house . Above it there is an etheric duplicate and below it a sorta shadow incomplete one but what about the sides ? The sides are also doubled but the etheric blends and moves into the etheric of the house next door much like the aura of a person blends into the aura of others in their space .

Every realm is in the body in the heart but also on the body as a hip or shoulder for example and also outside of the body as a realm . So Kether is in the heart but above the head and above the abyss and highest plane too . The hypercube is like our body and the inside that becomes the outside is like our heart which is the home of the spirit and the pump of the energy body . Within ourselves in our deepest sanctuaray exists every realm . Robert Monroe believed that phasing was internal projection and later wrote that it was also obe . I believe he was brilliant in this regard . His truths have been confirmed by many mystics long after his death . Does our perception of the spiritual realm reflect our understanding of cosmology in general ? I think so .

The dimensions of spirit realms are at least 12 . I think that there is syncronicity in the number of dimensions in math , in spirit and the number of planets and the number of sepiroth on the Tree of Life .
ie in ancient times there was only 1 than 2 in the djet or djeds as there was only one planet known
and we were the centre of our universe . When we had 4 elements there were 4 realms on the tree and there were earth , moon , sun , stars all known to be celestial spheres and have much more in common than ancients first thought .By the time yggdrasil came along there were 9 realms .In the Hebrew tree ,there are 10 these are the seven planets known in medieval days and the sun and moon .When Daath was interpreted by Isaac there were 11 just enough for 9 planets and 2 moons

Then we added Xena but took her away when scientists said she was bigger than Pluto but smaller than many other space rocks found nearby . We also had 12 D discovered in string theory in this age .In syncronicity the 12th  sepiroth is a window that is not just hidden and controversial like Daath but it is invisible and unaccepted or unknown .

Einstein treated time as a fourth dimension lumping it in with the first 3 so that he could treat the combined space/time as one entity and then his theory of general relativity showed that curvature and space/ time was equivalent to gravity .

The hypercube is a mathematical construct of pure Geometry. It is the mathematical treatment and does not equate with relativity as Einstein expressed it .Time is not a dimension in Geometry . The hypercube has been perceived long before string theory was realised .

There are so many different theories about today . Are there 11 or 12 dimensions some say more . String theory uses 11 or more dimensions to explain all the fundamental forces of Physics .

On Nova et al
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit16/unit16.html
you will get a different slant on this then on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension

There are at least 5 different versions of string theory with up to 26 dimensions thusfar . Some of those theories do fit TIME back in the sauce , others do not . The most recent seem to include time and space again .

Imho , as the consciousness of humanity expands ,so does the universe lol . Buddha says until we are ready to receive it , we cannot possibly perceive it .

[Skippy]

Has anyone here read A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle? The tesseract is quite a large subject of her book and she raises some pretty interesting ideas - they're fictional, but still interesting, all the same. In the book, Meg, Calvin, Charles Wallace, and the Mrs Ws (Mrs Whatsit, Mrs Who and Mrs Which) use the tesseract as a way to travel through space without going the long way around - they tesser, as they say. The five-year-old child prodigy Charles explains:

"Well, the fifth dimension's a tesseract. You add that to the other four dimensions and you can travel through space without having to go the long way around. In other words, to put it into Euclid, or old-fashioned plane geometry, a straight line is not the shortest distance between two points."

It's a good book.

[Sharpe]

well how can you tell? its not like we know that this really is the third dimension right? we just named the ones we know accordingly (dimension 1.5 LOL) but how exactly do you know that when you ap that you are projecting to another dimension? cant there be more than one level to a dimension. I am starting to go off on a tangent without actually have some solid information on it so I will stop but it all sounds like theory based off theory to me

No buddy, this is the beta version, the real 1st dimension came out 5000 years ago! That's why god is so busy in the 1st dimension! He forgot all the prototypes  . That's why he send a servant, we're like the gamecube, while god is playing on his wii