'Impossible' things manifesting physically

[zeno]

I don't mean to be rude here, so please don't take this the wrong way...

I suggest paying more attention to the type of meditation you do and what you watch on TV or expose yourself.  Also if you intake any sort of mind altering "substances", it might offset your meditation.

I haven't had any such experience and any sane person I know has not either.

[SomeBloke]

I would have thought the same thing only a couple of months ago.
Let's say my horizons have unpleasantly broadened.
As it is, what you said is exactly the sort of reaction I would expect from either a healthily sceptical person, and also from someone wanting to hide the fact that this really is going on.  Incidentally if you were to tell a shrink about your astral experiences, give them the slightest chance and you will be taking mind-altering substances yourself.

[Adam]

These entities you say are wondering around in human form - care to elaborate more? That's very interesting...

[zeno]

That's rather interesting, I understand your point.  I haven't the slightest clue regarding the nature of your experience.  It's difficult making a distinction between things with or without truth value, Therefore it's normal for me to be sceptic.  I just remember what one of my teachers said to me while I first became aware of astral occurences; "Pay attention to what you watch and where you hang out, your state of mind will determine the images or thoughts that surface to your mind while meditating and they can easily become a hindrance to your meditation".

I don't understand this:

quote:Incidentally if you were to tell a shrink about your astral experiences, give them the slightest chance and you will be taking mind-altering substances yourself.

[Nagual]

Did you try to find out...?
Like, did you question your relatives/acquaintances?  The "mirroring" guys?  The evil telepaths?  Did you ask bystanders if they saw something strange too?

Did you notice anything out of context while you experienced those things?  Was everything looking like reality?  No house that should not be there?  Etc...

Any special event that triggers/stops it?

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by SomeBloke

Hi,
Through several weeks in April I was witnessing on a continuous basis impossible things manifesting physically e.g
People and objects disappearing,
Faces of other people distorting beyond recognition,
Humanoid creatures with black holes for eyes and a mouth.
Telepathy with others, mostly evil 'people' reading my thoughts and commenting out loud on them.
Relatives/other acquaintances becoming (or have they always been?) evil and acting in obstructive ways.
'People' mirroring my actions constantly, e.g. I would go ourside and across the road someone would step out - I would pause, they would pause, I'd walk, they'd walk.  Constantly.
I saw a huge shadow fly overhead, like a massive asteroid was about to hit, but there was nothing in the sky.

Things have returned to a weird kind of normality, although there's all these entities wandering around in human form that simply are not human.  Now that all sounds crazy, but I promise you that's what happened.

I wanna know if I'm the only one who has experienced this crazy stuff?

It seems to come in waves with last months being by far the worst so far, and I get the impression we are in for an even bigger one towards the end of the year.

If other people start to experience this weirdness I just wanted to try and put together a few thoughts about how I should have dealt with this stuff better:

1) Mobile phones - at the start of this phenomenon I got weird cross talk on a mobile phone conversation with like a second voice of my friend sounding really distressed.  Don't use mobile phones.  Stop using them now.
2) The TV programs went crazy - don't watch TV if this happens to you.
3) Confusion - this is the biggie.  You are in danger of becoming so confused that you wander around aimlessly, possibly causing harm.  For me it was like whatever I did was also having an unseen effect elsewhere.  Doubling back on yourself seemed to be the main thing to avoid.
4) If what you are doing appears to be having a positive effect maybe you should keep doing it.  If it isn't maybe you should stop.

I hesitate to put down any other points in case I'm wrong - anyway it would be preferable if it simply didn't happen to you.

Someone on a different thread talking about the 'Astral War' said that by talking about it we were inviting it to happen - I'm sorry but seriously weird stuff is going on whether you want it to or not.  You may not have invited the Gulf War or 9/11 into your life but they happened anyway.

There is incredibly strange stuff going on focused on this little planet, and it seems like every type of entity speculated about in this forum has come to watch the show.

So, from reading these forums what do we have lined up for June?
Well, we have people saying big asteroids will almost certainly hit, and we have people saying the alignment with Venus will
herald a sudden awakening of psychic abilities in man.
Me? I'm gonna get fit and meditate more, 'cos I haven't got a clue what else to do.

I had this last spring. I was almost all the time in a semi-enlightened mode. Couldn't sleep because of the energy that was
in me all the time. For me it was more of an initiation to my path.
However it evidently lead into a kundalini-psychosis as I didn't know what the hell was happening []

Atleast that walking thing sounded somehow pretty close to what happened to me. I also saw some weird guys with blonde hair and sunglasses always watching the clock and then at me and then at the clock and then at me and again until I passed a 'line' and then they nodded towards me. Felt like Men In Black almost lol []

I would advice you to look up grounding meditations and exercises and
do those regularly. They will help. I didn't ground myself and in
the end I was VERY confused and in a very delusional state. (Many
shamans/others(?) go through an intiationary episode like this where
they go completely crazy, I don't know yet why but maybe you could look up on this subject)

PM me if things start to get out of hand and I'll see
what I can do.

[Sentential]

Grrrrrr.... and this is a "poster child" example why negs should be eliminated on sight.

This is all too typical. Negs try to prey on those who have not found their way quite yet. I would try to find a positive influence in your life and persue it.

Once you show the neg that you will not tolerate its interference it will get the picture and leave you alone.

Keep in mind that "black" is a very distructive color for ghostes and auras. If you see black or shadows, thats not good.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by Sentential

Grrrrrr.... and this is a "poster child" example why negs should be eliminated on sight.

This is all too typical. Negs try to prey on those who have not found their way quite yet. I would try to find a positive influence in your life and persue it.

Once you show the neg that you will not tolerate its interference it will get the picture and leave you alone.

Keep in mind that "black" is a very distructive color for ghostes and auras. If you see black or shadows, thats not good.

Actually there is nothing wrong in black color. That just comes
from this Western culture. Actually in China white is the color of sorrow. []

Some say black is the color of invisibility.

[zeno]

Can someone  please tell what negs are?  I am still fairly new to this board and I am not too sure what people are refering to when they mention this, is it negative thoughts?

[SomeBloke]

Mystic Cloud,
Thank goodness for that, I'm not alone.  You are right about the guys in sunglasses too, this seemed to be a big deal with some of them.  On one occasion I took my normal glasses off and observed two people I was with stumbling around frantically almost bumping into things and talking gibberish as a result for a few minutes.  Things seem largely back to normal for now...

[SomeBloke]

Nagual:
Did you try to find out...?
Like, did you question your relatives/acquaintances? The "mirroring" guys? The evil telepaths? Did you ask bystanders if they saw something strange too?
I did question people at first, but got the distinct impression I literally should not speak.  That's difficult if strangers keep on coming up to you and trying to strike up a conversation.

Did you notice anything out of context while you experienced those things? Was everything looking like reality? No house that should not be there? Etc...
Mostly the places etc. stayed the same and looked normal.

Any special event that triggers/stops it?
Just the passage of time, I think.

A lot of what happened I feel somehow I shouldn't talk about right now, but no way was this just a hallucination.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by SomeBloke

Nagual:
Did you try to find out...?
Like, did you question your relatives/acquaintances? The "mirroring" guys? The evil telepaths? Did you ask bystanders if they saw something strange too?
I did question people at first, but got the distinct impression I literally should not speak.  That's difficult if strangers keep on coming up to you and trying to strike up a conversation.

Did you notice anything out of context while you experienced those things? Was everything looking like reality? No house that should not be there? Etc...
Mostly the places etc. stayed the same and looked normal.

Any special event that triggers/stops it?
Just the passage of time, I think.

A lot of what happened I feel somehow I shouldn't talk about right now, but no way was this just a hallucination.

For me it was neither a hallucination, it had was just impossible
and it was something that I knew would end. It was sort of a
mind-test to see how strong my mind is. I have however no idea what
or who did this all. Oh yeah, other people looked also at these guys,
which seems to point out that they were physically real atleast at that moment.

[Sentential]

Ive had a couple of those things happen b4. Mostly shadows. Thankfully it hasnt happened recentally

[zeno]

So no one knows what negs are?

I feel kind of lost here.

[cube]

A neg is a negative entity, it's an intelligent being that has bad intentions.

Apparently some negs are only thought forms, like computer programs that have etheric bodies. They're created for the purpose of hindering things in one way or another, sort like like how scientists create genetically engineered diseases.

Other negs have souls, such as humans who died and lost thier way and now roam around sucking energy from people because they don't know what else to do.

If you're in body negs can make you feel tired or whisper things into your subconscious to make you feel guilty or do bad things. If you're out of body you have a huge advantage because you can see the negs and you're way more powerful than they are.

Out of body you can create giant sledgehammers and bonk them on the head or do whatever you wish. If are out of body and are in a positive frame of mind they can't touch you.

That's why they try to scare us while we're trying to project, all they can do is use fear to keep us from finding out our true power because once we know what we can do we're unstoppable and they're out of luck.

[Sentential]

quote:Originally posted by cube

A neg is a negative entity, it's an intelligent being that has bad intentions.

Apparently some negs are only thought forms, like computer programs that have etheric bodies. They're created for the purpose of hindering things in one way or another, sort like like how scientists create genetically engineered diseases.

Other negs have souls, such as humans who died and lost thier way and now roam around sucking energy from people because they don't know what else to do.

If you're in body negs can make you feel tired or whisper things into your subconscious to make you feel guilty or do bad things. If you're out of body you have a huge advantage because you can see the negs and you're way more powerful than they are.

Out of body you can create giant sledgehammers and bonk them on the head or do whatever you wish. If are out of body and are in a positive frame of mind they can't touch you.

That's why they try to scare us while we're trying to project, all they can do is use fear to keep us from finding out our true power because once we know what we can do we're unstoppable and they're out of luck.

[]Bravo! However you can still attack them in body as well. All you need to do is project what you want and use it.

BTW... my guide told me a long time ago that negs draw energy because they do not have a body. To produce conscioneous and sentience it requires power. Negs *need* this power to sustain themselves. Without it they die rather quickly, since they have no body to produce chakra energy or life-force. Thus they are reduced to scavengers, stealing what they can to live eternaly. This is why negs are so prevelent round here. They are scavenging for energy, whereas angels do not need it <they are self-sustaining>, thus they have no need to manifest themselves here.

So in general negs either do it to keep themselves alive or out of hate for the living cuz "they have it easy".

[zeno]

AHhh I see!  Thank you very much Cube, I am starting to understand a bit.  I've had that problem when I was younger, but I kept approaching it with compassion and it would always leave... although I didn't have the intention of making it uncomfortable.   Now, if ever something like it happens I just let it and it goes away quickly.  I don't think these are things that exist outside ourselves though, just reflections or our ego trying to grasp for dear life.

[Sentential]

No.... believe me when I say that "they" are quite real. Your compassion scared it off, like cockroaches from bright light.

[cube]

zeno,
Most of the time people feel tired or grumpy just because they're tired or grumpy, nothing more. But sometimes negs give us a little 'help'. There are definitely external entities which are not your subconscious, I've seen them in OBEs and I've interacted with them. They're just as real as anything else you might find in the astral.


Sentential, I agree there are likely negs that just have a meanstreak and would be nasty whether they have enough energy or not, but I have a feeling that most negs are simply unaware that there are better ways to operate and they don't have to be parasites to survive.

I've read about etheric spiders that can only feed on certain low vibratory energy, so even if they wanted to live off love energy they can't yet because their bodies are set up to take in fear energy. They'd have to evolve or change in some way in order to be positive entities.

[zeno]

Here is something from "The Astral World; its scenes, dwellers, and phenomena" By Swami Panchadasi.

Chapter V: (some lower sub-planes)

Now, student, we are entering the vibrations of the lower sub-planes of the Astral.  You must nerve yourself to witness some unpleasent sights, but be not afraid for nothing can harm you here while I am with you.  Were you alone here, lacking the knowledge of self-protection, you might find the experience very terrifying.  But, even then, though you lacked the higher knowledge, if you would but maintain a positive mental state, and deny the power of the Astral inhabitants to harm you, you would still be safe.  A firm mental attitude, and the assertion of your own immunity will act as a barrier through which these influences cannot penetrate.

Your first impression is that hte material world is still around you, with all its scenes plainly visible.  But, as you look you will find that there seems to be a peculiar veil between those scenes and the plane upon which you are temporarily dwelling (....)

I now change our vibrations, for a moment, to those of a very unpleasent subdivision which the old occultists were wont to call "the Astral cemetery."  We shall stay on this plan of vibration but for a moment, for it furnishes a ghastly sight, and its atmosphere is most depressing.  Now, hold tight to me, and press close up to me, for you will instinctively feel the need of protection.  Gazing around you on all sides, you will see what appear to be the disintegrating forms of human beings, and even some animals.  These forms seem to be floating in space.  They seem real, and yet, some way, not real.  You realize that they are not physical bodies, but still they bear too close a resemblance to physical corpses to be pleasent.  Take on good look around you, for I shall change our vibrations in a moment. * * * There! we have left that scene behind us!  But before proceeding further, we shall pause a moment and consider what we have just witnessed....

[cube]

That Swami must be a pretty brave guy to go to a cemetary and project.

It is possible to get entities embedded in your etheric aura, just like you can pick up a virus by swimming in sewage you could probably pick up a neg in your body's field if you went looking for trouble in a cemetary. You'd definitely have to keep your guard up and exude lots of light and happiness all the time and never let the graveyard's creepiness give you the willies. If you get spooked for a moment you'd probably pick up a beastie.

[zeno]

I've done it before, and luckily I had a good attitude about it... but still had a strange experience because of it a few days later.

I recommmend people focus on positive things when doing meditation or any projections.  Seems obvious, but if you're in a terrible mood, don't try to project or meditate, take the day off and relax.

[volcomstone]

how easy is it for "astral" creatures to pass into our dimension?

pretty easily apparently. http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa051302a.htm

these things are freaky, im not sure whatthey are, no one is actually. But they are apparently Very easy to capture on camera.

[cube]

There's a lot of speculation that things like Bigfoot are live on both the 3rd and 4th dimensions which is why they're so hard to detect.

Has any projector here every tried going looking for Bigfoot during an OBE?

[zeno]

I think you guys are missing the point here.  This is all "in your head". The only daemons are in your head.  Even though projecting astrally may seem like an outward phenomenon, it's the mind capacity to create a virtual representation of the world you live in or think about.  Same thing that happens with lucid dreaming.  It doesn't lessen the the value, just shows that it's not worth focusing on the nagative aspects.