The Fifth Epochal Revelation

[clandestino]

Hi Michael, welcome to the forum !

Whilst I'm not familiar with the zeta literature, I'm sure your post will interest many on the astralpulse. Perhaps you would be kind enough to copy this post into the forum "members book reviews" aswell, for reference ? Whilst at the same time, keeping this post in "communications" section for discussions etc.

Kind regards,
Mark

[Tayesin]

Hi,
Quote:-
"It claims to be the fifth epochal revelation to mankind and warns against sordid spiritual practices such as clairvoyance, channelings and voices from spirits as being the uprisings of the subconscious mind."

Sordid ? This one tidbit alone is enough for me to not want to know anymore about this book.  It is no different to the Christian religion's assertion that these things are not acceptable to 'God' and are therefore the doings of 'Satan'.

I am sure that those few of us here who have ten, twenty or more years experience in the Astral, well evolved, and dare I say it... having had some form of enlightening experiences, would also disagree with that one little illustration of a control mechanism.

These people would therefore be quite used to working with the Super-Conscious Mind, as such lengthy experience will undoubtedly open them to their own Higher-Self (Super-Conscious-Mind).  And it is usually because of such personal contacts that one can and does work with the gifts of clairvoyance, etc.  Each person would also come to KNOW for themselves what information they receive is from their own subconscious or not.

Although having said that, I will also agree with the section about Channelings.  Unless you are adept at being a clear channel, thereby knowing who and what is supplying the information, you can and will be duped by lower astral beings who are working their own agendas, particularly in the time we are in.

Love Always. []

[Michael60]

Hello Mark,
Thanks for the welcome, I re-posted in the Book review forum and found that member "Arie" had already posted an overview there of the UB so it seems there is at least one who has read it. I am no fan of the Zeta readings myself after reading of the prophecies that failed it lost any credibility with me. I like to think of myself as open minded so I could change my mind on any topic when suitably impressed and that includes the Urantia Book. I feel that all channeled books should be studied deeply to find any inconsistencies in the script. I was once a dogmatic believer in the Bible but learnt a hard lesson not to overlook the errors. I carry the same lesson with me in all that I read. Sometimes I find a particular writing inspires me as a truth but always reserve a backout option. The UB agrees with Robert Bruce that there is no such thing as re-incarnation but I am still working on it. That particular part of the UB as well as some others do not sit well with me. If a discussion ensues, those things will be brought into the topic.
Regards,
Mick

[Michael60]

Hi Tayesin,
Cripes! It didn't take much to turn you off. However do not let my understanding of the book keep you from a valuable source of information. To gather knowledge is a great undertaking in this age of the internet. There is truth and there is fiction in every philosophy, to reject everything because of a single blinder is to chuck the baby out with the bathwater. I still find pearls of wisdom in the Bible even though I have found it to be full of errors. You can find the book on the internet to freely study and I can assure you, much that you will find of interest besides that. There is cause to believe that one of the contact commission group found things in the original papers that were contrary to his beliefs but this will come out with further discussion. The history of this revelation and how it came about is very interesting, as they claim it was not channeling??
Regards,
Mick

[Tayesin]

Geez, I better grab that baby back from where I chucked it out the window with the water.  Good thing my house is low set, LOL [)]

You mentioned the man who found something that went against his beliefs.  And therein lies the problem, he had beliefs.  When you come to know your Self, you will find you no longer need beliefs to prop your reality up on, as it is only experience that matters then.  And clear experience is dependant upon the not having of any beliefs about what must be correct, what you should experience etc, etc.  

My old teacher back in the 70's taught me to prepare as if naked to go out and experience... meaning that we must not have any pre-conceived notions on anything.  She was correct about that.  

This is also true when reading the recorded words of the man Jesus, for then we can see the simplicity and beauty of his meanings, without the clutter of our own thoughts about it.  

For the last 8 years I've found in all my wider reading that I only get affirmations to what I have experienced in my 25 years of spiritual/astral journeying, with the exception of 'The Nag Hammadi Library', which was a very hard slog to get through the intial cosmology but which also clarified into more affirmations of what I know as a Soul.  The section called "The Book of Thomas" is regarded as the recorded words of Jesus, and was not included in the Bible with the exception of a few edited sayings.

I know therefore from this extended practice that no book can help me to learn or rather Remember what I (WE) already know at the Soul level.  

At the same time though, I do understand that this is currently not the case for everybody, and so the information provided by the UB might be helpful to others at times in their life.... yet, I do not think that it is any assistance in a real sense, as every belief-system or sets of conditioning are no real help at all to those who really do want to know the truth of things/their true nature, etc.  They will only perpetuate the belief system being adhered to.  This kind of information really is not available in any book, and can only be gotten from personal and prolonged experience.

The sooner we can get more people to sit and use really simple methods to experience their own Soul nature, the sooner we will reach the point of not using books and belief systems... and then everyone will KNOW.  I can't wait.[]

I didn't want this to sound like a preach, or that I think I am more advanced than other people... it was meant to just explain to you my reasons behind the wording of my earlier post.  So I hope on that score I succeeded.

Love Always. []

[Michael60]

I feel I know you already Tayesin. I myself have followed a long path and gone through various experiences of a psychic nature. I think everyone is unique and at various instances experience flashes of enlightenment to awaken them to their inner selves. My own investigations go on every day searching the mysteries of the Source. I too have been a student of the Thomas Gospel and embarked on project to find the secrets of the sayings of Jesus. My efforts can be read on the UB forum at: http://www.forum.wisdomdudes.net/public_html/forums/index.php
I am not proud of my interpretation effort and gave up at the last verses as nobody else on the forum seemed all that interested. Verse 114: was intriguing how females will become male.
This idea of finding my inner self is well taken, I believe I know "me" and according to the Thomas Gospel it is the greatest step. We have to know ourselves in order to be known.
Now I wish to know everything and realise I know little, I think this planet is a prison. The UB says we are in quarantine from the rest of the inhabited planets because of something that happened long ago called the Lucifer rebellion. As I have hinted, I do not believe everything in the UB but some of it seems to have a basis of truth. I have long believed that I know all about why I am here and it is just a whisper away within.
There, deep inside is the true history of everything but I have yet to meet anyone who can tell me they have found everything there is to know from within. I know "myself" yet I am still quite ignorant about much else.
The person who formed the contact commission for the revelation of the UB was William Sadler, it is only lately that researchers have come across the answers to some of the mystery regarding this man and dare I say, "A BOOK" is in the offing shortly showing how this man may have edited the Urantia Papers to conform with some of his own beliefs. A letter has come to light actually accusing him of adulterating the papers before printing and asking that he produce the original documents unedited. I will be very interested in what it says.
I can't wait either for the revealing of all that I wish to know.
Warm Regards,
Mick

[MJ-12]

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[Tayesin]

Hi Mick,
Thanks for your reply, I got to read with understanding more about the person you are, which I really enjoyed.

Last night I sat up until very, very late reading through the UB site and like MJ12, I saw way too much complication.  Although that is quite normal for we humans, as we use it to prevent the majority from coming to know truth, even though the subject matter itself can be enlightening.  Duality again.

I was impressed by the scope of the UB, and unimpressed by the Christian/religionist feel/characterization of the material.  While I do not know the specifics of what it says about re-incarnation, etc, I am absolutely sure from my work and experience that this perception is most definately incorrect.  Which then forces me to ask the big question of WHY does the UB say this if not for the control of beliefs ?

Lastly, I will got to the forum and read some of your posts there, so thank you kindly for the link.

Love Always. []

PS. Is Tassy also experiencing the weird temperature fluctuations of this Winter ?  One day it's Summery and quite hot then suddenly we are plunged back into Winter again, the trees are confused about the season, some have been flowering as if it is Spring and others are still dropping leaves.  And all that here in Queensland.  Wot The ?

[Michael60]

Hi MJ-12,
I like your moniker. I have read the book "Top Secret /Majic" by Stanton Friedman.
As you say, the UB is needlessly complex, When I first read it I found that I had to keep re-reading the paragraphs over and over to get what they were talking about. I was reminded of the psychology text books my wife was studying for a course, the language was the same. This in itself pointed to William Sadler and his associates who were practicing phychiatrists.
The eugenics side of the book was indeed racial and this was dissapointing however I do have to agree with the idea that people with hereditary genetic deformities that regress with each generation should not have children. I cannot but feel so sad for those children who have to go through life so  mentally retarded and physically deformed. Perhaps I should expound on this because I believe it to be a truth. I think we are all spirit children of God and that we come here for a lesson. The bodies we indwell are provided by the natural means of parenthood, once the spirit indwells the body it becomes a prison for a lifetime. However if genetic uplifting had been in place there would only be healthy bodies to inhabit. I also believe that if a baby dies the spirit moves on and is born of other parents.
There are people who think that these spirits chose their deformities in order to punish themselves; if this is true it is a terrible punishment. I was once a builder and in that trade we at times  built group homes for these unfornunates. I was there when the first group arrived at one of these houses in a community bus. I went to help them and was struck by one young girl who sat at the front. After I spoke to her I realised that she could not move a muscle or utter a sound but I detected a sort of attempted telepathy as this spirit struggled helplessly in a defective body to speak. It was in her eyes a trapped expression of someone in a never land of hopelessness. One of the nursing staff then said loudly that I was wasting my time talking to her as she was just a vegetable. I got very indignant at this remark because I could detect that the girl heard it and understood.
I have read quite a bit of the Ra material as well as all of the Cassiopaeans and although I say this much about the latter, I remain reserved on Ra as I must study it more closely. It seemed to me that the Cassiopaeans was a genuine channeling; I got a lot from reading their answers to the questions. However as often happens there was a dispute among the group and the main medium left. From that time on the readings made no sense to me and were obviouly faked by Laura Knight Jadzyck who wove much of her fear and phobias into the original transcripts and added a lot more from consulting her spirit board.
What are your thoughts on Ra or the Cassiopaeans as I am extremely interested in all this stuff and often wonder what others get out of it?
Mick

[Michael60]

Hi Tayesin
I can see you are as determined a researcher as I am to find the answers to some of those things we need to know. I agree that there is much that is hidden from us and this is evident in the UB which throws up more questions than it answers.
If you mean by duality that they say we are all endowed with a spirit fragment of God called a "Thought Adjuster", I also can't believe that. I am who I am and I need no spirit fragment of God to merge with. I am a child of God now and it is my right and heritage to be as divine as any other entity that lives. I have a strong belief that the creator Father/Mother source is no respector of persons and this applies equally to the most highs and the lowest forms of intelligent life. I am my inner and outer self combined and I alone am responsible for my thoughts and actions.
Now as for the control aspect of the UB, that is another story concerning a confederation of inhabited planets. I am working on the hypothesis that there is power struggle going on out there, perhaps not unlike that portrayed in "Deep Space Nine" and other sci fi programs on TV. These governments have no animosity towards us but they need us to conform to their particular administration. Well they might even need some of us for military purposes against rebel planets. However it will be up to us who we choose to follow and this could mean we may also be classed as rebels in the future. The question will be which side is the good side and which is not so good. It could well be that the most powerful and technologically advanced universe government is the not so good one.
Excuse me for letting my mind wander, so much comes to mind when we are kept ignorant of the truth.
Tasmania is experiencing a normal winter for the first time in about ten years. Plenty of rain, some snow and a few cool sunny days. I have read of the water restrictions in NSW and I am glad I no longer live there. Tasmania is a natural haven and I will never regret moving here from the mainland. I worked in Queensland for nine months and decided it was not a place that I could comfortably live in, but each to their own as I know many would strongly disagree.
Mick

[Tayesin]

Hi Mick,
You wrote in your reply to MJ12 about those Souls inhabiting deformed bodies etc, and remorsed for them deeply.  I read in that a great capacity for empathy and compassion, so thank you for this warming insight.

Each Soul within such a body is not punishing themself by doing so.  Imagine for a second the immensity of a Soul choosing that Experience.  Why would it do such a thing in the first place?  If the Universe/Creative Awareness/God has diversified itself to the point where we exist as Souls, in order to know Itself, then the pureness of Love shown by a Soul choosing such intensely difficult incarnations, is astounding.  These Souls are Gold Medal winners !

While we indwell these bodies we are easily able to move outside of them with full awareness and during sleep in our astral and 'higher-level' forms, in this way we can never be imprisoned. We really are free spirits, except we volunteered to come here for a series of experiences/lives. So the only thing that imprisons us is our beliefs and how we word them intentionally []  

The Duality mentioned previously is from a perception of the Creative Awareness having diversified Itself, spread out in all directions and in doing so created as it went.  If It's goal is to know Itself then it is logical for It to have created anything It could conceive of in order to achieve It's primary goal.  This would have to include a 'layer' throughout Itself that is experiencing Itself in a reality of Duality.  So here we are with our perceptions of truths, realities each seeming to have good/bad, light and dark, etc.

Quote:-
"I have a strong belief that the creator Father/Mother source is no respector of persons and this applies equally to the most highs and the lowest forms of intelligent life."

This is a clear and simple Truth, although many people would disagree.  It seems to me the Force/God thing is not the slightest bit concerned about what we do, as it's primary goal may only be to Experience itself, just like us in our incarnation series. []

If this is the case, then all the belief systems that work through the avenues of stealth, dishonesty, control etc, and all the things we humans call evil..  are really just God experiencing what it is to be God.  So they cannot be judged by us to be the things we believe them to be.  And there is the Duality !

So, should this also be true, maybe one way out of the Duality; towards clarity, is when we Wake Up.  

Quote:-
"Now as for the control aspect of the UB, that is another story concerning a confederation of inhabited planets. I am working on the hypothesis that there is power struggle going on out there, perhaps not unlike that portrayed in "Deep Space Nine" and other sci fi programs on TV."

It doesn't sound too far Sci-Fi to me.  A few months ago I posted one of my own, then recent, experiences in my Journeying, where I was called to a galactic council/federation type of meeting on a ship.  I knew the name they called me by, and I felt recognition to some of the diverse races, etc,etc.  So nothing about your hypothesis would shock me. [] Are you concerned for my sanity at this point ?

Love Always. []

[Michael60]

Hi Tayesin,
You pose a very difficult question and it would enlighten my heart if I knew without a doubt that these suffering spirits knew the reason they were going through such a lifetime of misery. I doubt very much that they know it, therefore without such ability to reason this out, their circumstances, IMO, are very unfair. Gold medal winners? ...........Well??
I appreciate you have your own unique understanding of Father's grand universal plan of experiencing the diversities of ascendancy to perfection. We all have our theories and and aspire to the truths that make sense within us. One such theory is that we choose the parents of our new incarnation and follow a plan that we ourselves prepare beforehand but apparently the plan gets secreted away somewhere in the subconscious.
We have no memory of our origins and if I were to find an explanation of past life regressions in the UB, it says that we all have a fragment of Father, a separate spirit entity called a Thought Adjuster that needs us to merge with it. It says that sometimes the human subject decides not to continue in the ascension struggle aand ceases to be. The indwelling Adjuster is forced to leave and find another subject to indwell but it carries with all the memories and meaningful experiences of its former subject. At times these memories of the TA are transmitted to the new subject and can be mistaken for former lives.

Quote:

P.1235 - §4 The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe. But personality and the relationships between personalities are never scaffolding; mortal memory of personality relationships has cosmic value and will persist. On the mansion worlds you will know and be known, and more, you will remember, and be remembered by, your onetime associates in the short but intriguing life on Urantia

I have great difficulty believing the above and consider my self be that fragment of God rather than having a separate entity/symbiote within my mind. This a great blunder according to the UB and is noted as an attempt to humanize God.

P.53 - §3 It is a great blunder to humanize God, except in the concept of the indwelling Thought Adjuster, but even that is not so stupid as completely to mechanize the idea of the First Great Source and Center.

P.1099 - §4 If one is disposed to recognize a theoretical subconscious mind as a practical working hypothesis in the otherwise unified intellectual life, then, to be consistent, one should postulate a similar and corresponding realm of ascending intellectual activity as the superconscious level, the zone of immediate contact with the indwelling spirit entity, the Thought Adjuster. The great danger in all these psychic speculations is that visions and other so-called mystic experiences, along with extraordinary dreams, may be regarded as divine communications to the human mind. In times past, divine beings have revealed themselves to certain God-knowing persons, not because of their mystic trances or morbid visions, but in spite of all these phenomena.

As you can see, the revelators have tried to explain away our psychic experiences very cleverly. However with emerging evidence of tampering with original channelings the truth has been dissipated. Under this quarantine we are once again left with our spirit senses of discernment to discover our truths.
Reincarnation and past life experiences make more sense to me. As for your sanity, after I get through posting my wild imaginings here you might think me stark raving bonkers.
All the Best,
Mick

[urantiafox]

Hi all, my friend Mike advertised this forum on the one I built and we both post on so I thought I'd come along and see whats going on, Ive read this thread a bit but as Im smack in the middle of a damn complicated essay I shall try and reply soonish, other than that, just 'Hello' really.


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Charlie

[Michael60]

To readers here,
Charlie Fox is the owner of the Urantia Book website, in a way you could say my boss. We have an interesting discussion going on there concerning the authorship of the Urantia Book. However this is hidden from guest readers, only registered members can access this so named, "Stick and Tree" forum.

http://www.forum.wisdomdudes.net/public_html/forums/index.php

Matthew Block, a reader and researcher has just finished a very interesting essay and it is published for all to see on another site called Square Circles. He says he has proof positive about the human author of some of those papers. Was there plagiarism involved with paper 88? Even guests can download the two pdf files and see for themselves.
http://www.squarecircles.com/

Mick

[MJ-12]

km

[Michael60]

Hi MJ-12,
There is an offshoot of the UB channeling; what they call the "Teaching Mission, have you heard of it? This is the URL if you want to check it out. There are hundreds of channelings from different celestials linked to this site. I will reserve my own opinion in case you like it. http://www.lightandlife.com/TeaM/default.htm

Hmmm! Yes I think you have been inspired from within about the seeming lack of emotion in the UB. It does say a lot about love though and tries to express something warm in a matter of fact sort of way. Whether that is because we humans would not understand their higher estimation of the word "love" is another thing. They are not too happy with way we humans use the word.
There is pretty much only one site for the Cassiopaeans and I dare say you have already been there. There was a message of sorts in "The Wave Series" and I enjoyed reading the answers to the questions. They called it the "Cassiopaean Experiment" and it seems that's all it was in the end. When the "conduit" left the real messages left along with him. Laura Knight Jadzyck interspersed the messages with a whole lot of stuff from other books she had read along with stories about her own life that came through as paranoia. As you say, it was incomplete and when the messages stopped there were too many questions left unanswered to fill the holes. http://www.cassiopaea.org/
You have raised an interesting point that the universe structure is not described adequately in any channelings. I believe it is much greater than anything I have read. The channelings come from "IMO", small "g" gods (I don't know who coined that phrase but it's a good one) or Government Administrations of local confederations of inhabited planets. I believe the channelers are just downloading their different philosophies. The Father, the true source is way, way, more than they think and it makes me feel glad that he is.

I believe we all have super mind powers but we have lost the ability to use them. Ingo Swann, the writer of the Remote Viewing protocols that the government uses, offers a free course on his website. I am trying it myself, the exercises of the mind are designed to strengthen the (as they call it) Psi muscle of the mind. I do believe I am already getting some good results but I will know better after couple more months. The proof of truth is in the experience of it. Here is Swanns URL:
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/5.html
Have you tried RV yourself?
Regards,
Mick

[Michael60]

Hello Members,
I am new to this board but have read much of the stuff that is discussed here. I am 61 years old and hail from Tasmania, the small Island situated at the bottom of Australia.

I noticed several questions were asked of the Zeta R about the Urantia Book, each time it was ignored. Taom1234 wanted know if they wrote it. Being a student of the book myself I wonder how many of you have read it. The UB was a (claimed) communication from celestials, chock full of information about everything the normal earthling needed to know on a need to to know basis. The UB was first printed in book form in 1955 as a huge tome of 2097 pages eclipsing the book "War and Peace" at least three times.
It was never advertised or promoted commercially simply because the revelators wanted the book to become known by a slow and natural dissemination from readers to friends and neighbors. Even today the book is not very well known and has few readers; I believe not yet reaching a million throughout the whole world.
The book is very well presented and seems to scan harmoniously all the way through from beginning to end. It claims to be the fifth epochal revelation to mankind and warns against sordid spiritual practices such as clairvoyance, channelings and voices from spirits as being the uprisings of the subconscious mind. It also promotes the practice of using what it calls the Super-conscious mind. There is much about what happens to mortals at death of the body and how we go from sphere to sphere schools in new bodies towards a destiny not yet fully defined. The culmination of all this education over many thousands of years is to graduate into the Corps of Finality. This group of ascended earthlings and personalities from other planets are believed to be the future explorers of Gods vast new creations in the far reaches of space.  
I recommend this book as a good read and an insight into the universe government administration of our universe. The descriptions of angels and deities, their activites and duties are astonishing. This, our local sector of the universe, is said to be under the jurisdiction of Michael who was once embodied as Jesus on Earth. There is a great deal of information about him in the Jesus papers at the end of the book including much of his life that was never mentioned in the Bible.
The messages on this board purported to have come from Michael the archangel seem to be eroneous when compared to the ones in the UB.
However it remains for students to form their opinions of it just as I have and I do not want to state them here at this time. There are many Urantia Book forums on the internet and I myself am a moderator on Charlie Fox's Urantia Book readers board. We are discussing exopolitics as well as visitors from other worlds and the teaching mission of the Melchizedeks. As I have not seen much in the way of Urantia on this board I would like to know if any of you have read it through and what you think of it. It could become a great topic of discussion under communications.
Mick

[Geoff_C]

Hi Tayesin,

I was impressed by the scope of the UB, and unimpressed by the Christian/religionist feel/characterization of the material. While I do not know the specifics of what it says about re-incarnation, etc, I am absolutely sure from my work and experience that this perception is most definately incorrect. Which then forces me to ask the big question of WHY does the UB say this if not for the control of beliefs ?

I first read one of your posts on a thread about overcoming the approaches of negative entities, so I have some idea of where you come from. I must say it was very refreshing to find a fellow traveler who believes in the power of the energy we call love.

I am not sure however quite what you meant above, as i can interpret the post both ways. The UB does not support reincarnation, but does not give any "facts" in respect of that. I am not sure of your position on that, but I have done a lot of research into the subject, and my thoughts now cover 70 pages. Maybe it will reach book size some day.

I don't think it would be fair to suggest the UB tries to control anyone. However that passage you so strongly objected to ie sordid is undoubtedly controlling, and also undoubtedly the work of Sadler himself. Like many humans with strong opinions he could not keep himself out of the book in places, and his antagonism towards mediumship and other spiritual practises is well known.

I see Michael also posted that he cannot accept the premise that a TA might be required to fuse with us. That is the first time I have seen a UB reader dismiss that concept. And as primarily (but not exclusively) a follower of the Padgett messages, I now find myself coming to the defence of a concept not found in Padgett.

Padgett never channeled anything like the TA concept. Instead he received the concept of Divine Love. Jesus (Michael to Ubook folk) explains that the stream can rise no further than its source. That we are not created eternal, even though in his experience, no ex-mortal has disappeared. But, he says, we need to be transformed from the image of God, to the real thing, and that this is done via the energy called Divine Love. I see the TA as analogous, and it is no surprise to me, that in both sources this occurs after transitioning the seventh mansion world. Padgett thus teaches that only fused entities are eternal, and all those who survive death, but have not fused, are not immortal.

I find it very credible that Father created us with full free will. That we then choose to create what we will be, but to make the final step, and accept the ultimate gift from our creator, we need to be transformed by some external agency. Only then can we be Divine. And the initial insignificant creation with free will, will have made the choice to become eternal and one with its Creator.

As a fellow Aussie, on a cool Sunday, I say

Much love,
Geoff.

[narfellus]

Fascinating thread! Thank you one and all for contributing. Tayesin, i have read your occasional posts for some time now, and i admire and respect your life path. It follows one very close to what i am just embarking on now, with hopefully years of growth ahead of me. I am admittably overwhelmed by the glut of information for us humans to slog through, whether in the physical world or etheric.

Michael60, thank you for bringing the Urtania Book to my attention, i had never heard of it. I've looked at their Foundation Website, and perused the material, although merely a small fraction. Indeed, it contains kernels of truth i agree with, but then the overarching BULK of the material is an immediate problem. Now, i do believe very much in ET's, and i believe that some are consciously here to help man (angels in a sense) and others are here out of curiousity, and others want to exploit or hurt man for their own purposes. Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror are not mere fancies of the human imagination; on some level they are very real, even if not real in our physical manisfestation and everyday life here on Earth (although they often are).

I am not one to argue anothers beliefs unless i find they are blatantly wrong. In the case of UB, i feel that other world intelligences probably relayed the information, but their underlying objective i will probably never know (in this life). Furthermore, i don't find it especially important to know. The Path i follow offers the answers i need, even if i have not found them all yet. Personally, the UB material would likely confuse and muddle my own knowledge, throwing in monkey wrenches that i don't need. But to each his own, and if the book can help others to genuinely better themselves and their fellow man, and i'm happy to see it.