Priorities in question/easy telekinesis?

[Shawn McCaffrey]

If you don't mind me asking, how does someone so young get into this so early!?  I mean what dot you into it?  And I would Work on ED first then AP the others are like bonuses, I can''t do any yet, but that's my opinion. [|)]

[Tarconiss]

Shawn... I wouldn't consider 13 as early when learning or knowing about such things. I'm only 16, yet I know much more about metaphysics and life in general than im guessing about 70% of the people in the world. Some people learn things just from hear say, from who-knows-where. Others have friends, or parents who are into these types of things. Or a person could just naturally do things, or have a certain aware-ness, but not be sure of exactly what it is. All of these could be attained at infant-hood. That could also be considered, 'knowing things early'. hhhmm.. I guess its just about perspective.... Sorry if anything could be taken to offense.


    But Panabelle. I would also consider focuseing on Energy development, more than anything else at the moment. The more practice, and experience you have with energy, and the stronger you can withhold/exert your energy, the easier, and more fluent you can become with doing such practices, such as Astral projections, or any sort of Kinesis, and is fundemental to the use of Ki and Chi.

[ If someone has the knowledge, and wants to do something, how far do you think they can go, if they lack the experience, and are unable to sustain the amount of effort needed to succeed? ]

[silva]

it takes a long time to be able to do all those things.  And for each one energy is what actually allows you to do them in the first place.

I am curious however as to what you meant when you said you haven't seen any results.  You do realize for some people it takes years to even astral project.  You probably wont see immediate results with energy work.  Its a gradual progression.. some are quicker with natural talent.

[panabelle]

I know that, I'm just impatient.[]

AP isn't really something I care that much about, I just think it would be kinda cool and sometimes useful.

Shawn: Actually, I got really into DBZ and wanted it to be a reality. That's not the ONLY reason (and I do know where to draw the line so I'm not gonna try to blast your head off or anything[|)]) because I've felt a...tug, you might call it...in this direction ever since I was about 7 years old.

As for what I meant when I said no results:
1. I'm just being impatient.
2. On all occasions except for two, I'm not sure if I'm really doing anything. It could all just be "Oh my god I moved energy I think I hope" except those two times where I ~know~ I felt it.

And why hasn't anybody responded with easy (or at least easier) telekinesis techniques? I just want to know how to get started, I'll be able to take it from there. Because staring at my bed willing little bits of fuzz to move isn't getting me anywhere. [|)]

[Adept_of_Light]

Dear panabelle,

If it were easy to do, surely it would be more commonplace. Extremely rare are those who possess such abilities. Like all things worthy of persuit in life, great effort is required for their attainment.

If you do some research, you will find telekenisis to require great amounts of time to conquer... so much so that most who try end up giving up.

The process involves spending several months to several years (depending on your natural ability, concentration skills, among other things) practicing 2-4 hours per day so that at the end you might be able to move a pencil 1/2 an inch off a table. Are you ready to spend something like 6 months daily only to actually see any results after that much time? Do you have the discipline and patience it will take?

A better question would be, is this really something worthy of spending so much time on? I assure you, no party trick is worth that much effort! []

Here's a little story you might enjoy.


One day a monk turned to his Master and said:
"Master, forgive me but my heart and curiosity yearn to wander into other realms of possibility. I feel I must leave you for now."

To which the Master gave no reply.
10 years passed and one day the monk returned to the monestary and stood before his old Master.
"Master! In the last 10 years I've learned to walk on water!"
The Master didn't look amused and gave no reply.
To which the monk said in an even more excited voice:
"Master, it's an incredible feat! I will show it to you if you want. You see that river over there? I can walk over that water and reach the other side!!"
Finally the Master looked at the monk and said:
"I am not interested in such feats. I too can cross the river and it will only cost me 1 rupee (Indian currency), and not 10 years of my life".


Have you asked yourself all the reasons why you'd like to attain such an ability? Sure it would be cool, but what would be the consequences of such an achievement if you were to show it to others?
How might different people react ?

Wasn't it Spiderman's uncle who said to Spiderman "With great power, comes great responsibility!" []

Don't let me discourage you from your persuits in life, I only ask you to ask yourself of their worthiness before you engage in them.

Take good care,
Adept of Light

[Adrian]

Greetings Everyone!

Thank you Adept of Light for your excellent post!

Quite simply, everyone needs to meditate upon the real purpose of presence on Earth in this incarnation. You should hopefully arrive at the conclusion that it is not merely to bend spoons []

The very reason we incarnate is because we are here to learn lessons and equilibrate Karma in order to Spiritually progress. Life will present many opportunities, they simply need to be recognised and pursued with love and gratitude, and hopefully fulfilled. Equally important is to "know thyself", while conducting life with love and service to others - your Spiritual brothers and sisters.

Everyone should live life wisely, otherwise you will have to come back to do it all again []

With best regards,

Adrian.

[panabelle]

I know. I'm not just trying to learn it for a cool little trick thing. I feel like I have a gift at SOMETHING and if I can just find it I'll be able to use it to help the world. So right now I'm just concentrating on finding it. Practical applications come later.

Appreciate the post though. Made me think...

[KP]

Hi Panabelle,
I have had a fair amount of success with Telekinesis.  I practiced for 5 months, at the beginning it was usually around 2 hours a day, probably too much, because I have heard it can be dangerous if you overwork it.  I have gone through some nasty energy pains, but I think I am still alive so far

But I can tell you, if you want to start practising it, don't try and copy anyone's techniques... sit down... and try what you think will work...

When I first started I was sitting trying all sorts of methods, visualizing the object moving, trying to feel the object etc... my hands suddenly became shaky and then it hit me...  It was as if I found the answer but couldn't explain it.

I ran around the room shouting "I'm a genius! A genius!"  lol, sort of like a Eureka thing....

All that was in my way back then was practice.  I've done some great things with it but now  begun to lose interest and am trying other things.  I think it's good to not just stick to one subject.

People go around saying, "what's the point in TK? to show others? to feed the ego?"...  I can tell you what the point is for me.  Just experiencing it is enough to amaze me

[panabelle]

Interesting...and I thought my problem was not sticking with one technique until it worked.[] I don't have two hours a day of free time, but I'll mess around with it a little and try to see what works. Thanks for the input, KP!

[Tom]

The way I read the story about crossing the river, it was about a conversation between Buddha and someone he met. After twenty years the ability to walk on water had been gained. Buddha said that it was a waste of twenty years when two small coins would pay the boat driver.

In the story Siddhartha by Herman Hesse (sp?) there is a man who helped people across the river. He said that most people just saw the river as an obstacle to their path, but some stayed to listen to it and to appreciate what it had to offer.

Buddhism has its share of talk about special powers and abilities, but the meditative states required to develop them are by themselves special and uncommon. Wouldn't there be more to gain from talking about meditation on energy, elements, chakras, channels, storage centers, and other details like those?

[panabelle]

All these posts about "Why is TK so important? Is it just fun?" are really starting to annoy me.
I get the point now. Thanks for the cautions, but let's move on. I have my reasons, you have yours.

Grr...sorry but Social Studies vocab is getting me in a bad mood. [!] Does anyone else think KP's approach might work? Just curious.

Sometimes I think I'm schizophrenic or something...[]

[Tom]

Is it so wrong to take an approach that will lead toward sustained good results rather than something that is more easily lost than gained? In previous lives we have all had abilities which can be called special or miraculous or even just above average. If these powers arise in the process of working toward enlightenment, great. They do not make good goals in themselves and there are plenty of authorities such as Patanjali who say so.

[panabelle]

Who the heck is Patanjali?

It's not wrong. It's just a waste of time for you to keep telling it to me in so many ways because I've already decided what's important to me.

[Adrian]

Greetings Panabelle,

If you really want to try TK, do a Google search for "Psi Wheel". You can also try bending a candle flame and making it move up and down, or even extinguishing it. After some practice you can even relight it again. After that you could progress to spoon bending []

But just to reiterrate what everyone else has said - your time in this incarnation is far better dedicated to the pursuit of your true purpose here this time around, and also to your Spiritual progress.

I sense that you already realise this though []

With best regards,

Adrian.

[panabelle]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

I sense that you already realise this though []

Preeeeecisely. Thanks anyway for all your help guys! []

[James S]

It seems the point about putting a lot of effort in to achieving a certain desire has been well made, but don't be discoraged from putting in the groundwork to achieve that goal.

I too deeply desired TK as an ability. The groundwork for that as many have noted is extensive energy development. What came of that energy development though was a complete change in direction. As I started being able to better develop the flow of energy through my primary energy centres - I'll use the word chakra, its quicker - I found that as my higher chakras developed, especially the crown chakra, more insight came to me. With this energy development came a better link with my higher self, then ultimately my spiritual guide.

As a result my goals changed. I don't begrudge this in any way, as I learned that what seemed important at the beginning really has little bearing on my spiritual journey.

There is no doubt that it is good to have goals as long as you can remain flexible about them. It may very well hold you back if you become too focussed on something that is not meant for you. I speak as someone who has spent many years going off in directions that were totally wrong for me.

James.

[Tom]

In NEW, we first learn to feel energy and move it around, but because it is so exclusively tactile we do not go on to seeing energy. Seeing auras is a good next step and chakras and other structures. Being able to see energy makes affecting it at a distance easier. It feel natural to have tactile sensations of energy in the body and on its surface, but feeling energy in a wall that is ten feet away is a bit less natural. Perceiving energy directly is a big part of changing it. All of the abilities we have been discussing like telekinesis and telepathy require energy and control over it.

[pod3]

I can't help but notice that alot of people replied regarding easy TK without contributing anything substantial about it.

To begin with, don't even try if you are just seeking permission from someone outside yourself. If you were to fluctuate with everyone's mood, you'd be in BIG trouble! What were you hoping to hear, anyway?! Well here you go: Assuming that (for reasons religious or scientific) we are made for our surroundings, we should be able to thrive just doing what we naturally do - like animals who are smart/spiritual enough to appreciate our lot in life.

Speaking of animals, alot of my techniques follow the theme of copying nature. If and when you are spiritually aware, watch the energy of something in motion. Reproduce the energy by will. The technique works on any sort of TK.

It helps to become one with a particular sort of energy. For instance, one who resonates with the ocean may find it easier to cause ripples in a glass of water. Also, this help you with ideas of scale. When effects are willed, it is usually best to everyone in the area if you do not to make something as hot as lava.

Make sure that your aura is completely transparent. It seems to be stoppages that cause extreme problems with energy workers. Make sure you can channel the stuff with NO resistance!

Regarding this business of unity, all units of a particular substance are fed as if by a an astral stream. At some point of relation all the streams instersect...

[panabelle]

Ok, I am a little overwhelmed by all of these things I have recently recognized as reality. Everything seems to jump out at me: energy development, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, lucid dreaming, and astral projection. I kinda ranked them in order of importance. Sort of. In any case, energy development is way up on the list.

I'm just wondering: is there one easy point to start off on? I think I jumped headfirst into ED a little too quickly because I'm not really getting results.

Also: does anyone have any easy techniques to start developing telekinesis? I'm really interested in that as well; think I would be really good at it if I could just get started.