The Astral Pulse

Hello,

Is it possible to live without a soul? As in having no emotions, pretty much being an empty person. That would kind of suck, but I am just curious if living without a soul is indeed possible. I am still skeptical to the idea of a "soul". I have had experiences that are out of the ordinary you could say, but they could all just be hallucinations of my mind. Chemicals in my brain going haywire. I have tried meditating, for hours on end, but all I see is eternal darkness. Nothingness and an empty mind.

I think it's essential for a body to have a soul, otherwiser it just stays in a comatose state. If anything, one should question how well their soul can live without a body

The only 'beings' I have heard of that may not have a Soul is some of the Greys.
(ETs. And not all Greys are the same just like there are different humans).
What I have learned is that these smaller type Greys are basically Bio-Robots for lack of a better term. 
They are produced as clones much like an assembly line would produce vehicles.
The taller Greys are very intelligent and I believe they have a soul.

I am pretty sure humans all have a soul....
Then again I am no expert nor will I pretend to be one.
It is hard enough just being ignorant old me...hehe!  :-D

Is there any real indication that Greys don't have souls? I always wondered about that, because every Grey-type I've heard of had a pretty good understanding of the soul. Some have it down to such a science that they can split their life force and place them in several bodies to do multiple tasks.

I did hear something about Zetans in particular believing they have no soul, but it sounded more like a belief

You may want to seek out a meditation teacher.

to be honest...


i think the "soul" is just a category in what makes us US...like our emotions, personality(cant spell the next word) and that voice in side your head. like you said, w/o a soul we would be empty boring people.


thats just what i feel is right.

 
     Everything that exists in this universe has an energy associated with it. To say that a stone , or tree , or bird doesn't have a  soul is to deny it's existence as a member of your experience. 

     Are you aware that you have a soul? I'm sure some humans aren't aware of their own soul. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Everything leaves an echo.  What has been done cannot be un-done. We violently etch our existance into the source. We are branded, symbols of our individuality can be stored and written into the akashic.  Our physical beings are transient, but possess all the power our ancestors fought for.

       The fact that  We can even contemplate the existance of a soul shows our spiritual evolution.  What greatness we are privaleged to possess!  The potential to be anything!   Can we pass the tests?   Will we be the next stewards of reality? or will we become a cosmic embarrassment?

 

Most people are soulless (75%) due to corrupted genetics, soulless people are very selfish and in many cases immoral. Soulless people begets soulless children. Don't worry about being soulless,A soulless person would not hang around an  astral projection forum.

I sorry but, where do you get this 75% of people are 'Soulless' bit from?

I am no expert on genetics, or souls, or anything really but, to throw out a percentage like that I would need to know what backs that up...please! :)

Now I stated I heard that there are the smaller Grey Aliens that are cloned as 'Bio-Robots' without souls but, I have no actual proof.
It makes sense to me but, then again I am no expert.  I am still learning.

What most people know as a soul is probably really just the astral body. You can't exist physically without one.

But James Brown had more soul than a sock with a hole.

Great post, volcomstone. Yes, it is amazing that we are able to recongize a soul, and yes, most people aren't even aware that they have one because society shoves materialism in their faces. Ignorance is NOT an excuse.

One more question: When do you think humanity will start to recognize their spiritual side? We are, perhaps, in the most low levels of consciousness ever for Humanity. Many problems are the cause for this, problems that would take up the whole page here. There are individuals who recognize their spiritual reality, and then there are others who could not care less about it.

I read somewhere that grey's and reptilians don't have souls.

I don't know... this guy seems to have soul:

(http://www.imged.org/68/disco_alien_card-p137770645178904737qi0i_400.jpg)

 :-D  @ the ET with Soul
But srsly, what do you think 'soul' means?  I've seen the word mentioned in many of these posts to mean something physical and body-dependent.  As if emotions were only caused by having a soul.  Really?  Emotions are a response of the primitive (reptilian) part of the brain, and people with no affect (emotions) have physical (hormonally or neurally) anomalies in their physical bodies.
So what is soul to you?  Is it part of your body like the paleocortex or the feet, or the spleen, is it part of your mind (the "You" who thinks)?  Or is it something else?
This topic is really confusing to me, especially connecting the soul to genetics.

I'm sure there's a reptilian somewhere who read that humans don't souls. Pfffft

I've heard that some of the greys are androids and therefore don't have souls.

Quote from: kurtykurt42 on December 03, 2009, 15:40:59
I've heard that some of the greys are androids and therefore don't have souls.

That I understand.  However, I have read (from others' accounts, not my own) that some 'species of alien' are using 'droid bodies that have had their consciousness downloaded into them.  Provided this is true (just for the 'what ifs') would you think something like that would have a soul?

I don't see why not. I believe some species have interdimensional technolgy that is able to store their mind/energy body/soul in large crystal devices. This mind can then be transferred into a physical body, weather it be biological or mechanical and allowed to function similar to ours. As they grow old, the on board computer of their ship will use this advanced crystal technology to temporarily store their mind while the new body is built/grown. Then the transfer process will take place and the individuals mind will now be in complete control of the new body.

QuoteI think it's essential for a body to have a soul, otherwiser it just stays in a comatose state.

That is indeed what Descartes would say. Some Muslim philosophers and theologians would go so far as to say a body cannot even be living without a soul- the concept is what Aristotle would call the "vegetative" aspect of a soul.

I tend to think it is a moot point. I would say that anything with a mind or mental experiences exists in the strongest sense of the word. If you don't possess a mind, you surely possess being in a lesser sense, and would not truly be an "I" anyhow- such a thing would need to be an object of the experience of an "I" in order to be recognized as having any existence, whereas entities with mental experience can recognize their own existence directly, if that makes sense. It is the idea called a "self-evident truth".

Taking a somewhat Christian approach at the soul: it would be the part of us that intermediates between the spirit (higher self?) and the body. From the body (physical) it's impossible to be in conscious connection with spirit. The soul (astral body) carries our desires and creativity and drives for physical life. It's also the part of us that allows ego to participate in conscious thinking for physical life.

The body can't exist without an astral body, and the astral body dissolves it's parts back into spirit without a physical body. (I guess, I don't really know, I still have one.)

Quote from: PissedOff24 on February 27, 2009, 20:01:26I have had experiences that are out of the ordinary you could say, but they could all just be hallucinations of my mind.

How do you know that EVERYTHING isn't just a hallucination in your mind? Like a dream?

Quote from: Stookie on December 03, 2009, 12:11:23
I don't know... this guy seems to have soul:

(http://www.imged.org/68/disco_alien_card-p137770645178904737qi0i_400.jpg)

proof: greens have souls



why shouldnt greys have souls? do animals have souls? so you would say insects dont have souls and say "a human can recognize a soul!". maybe you are mistaken on this?

When I hear astral entities talk about a soul, they often call it a 'mind', simply. Not something entirely separate from the body, but not entirely bound to it. I've spent quite some time trying to figure out what this spirit/mind thing is and I'm only recently getting an understanding of it. It is extremely complex and neither human religions nor human science seems to grasp it.

Reptilians and Zetans, in all irony, are some of the best references.

Supposedly, humans have an extraordinary potential to use and understand the soul. I read that the Atlanteans (and some others) did things with the data/energy level of space that most humanoids in our galaxy can't do - at least, not without machinery. The destruction of Atlantis seems to have been caused by outsider factions that feared human potential.

Hallo everybody

Kurtykurt, you wrote

QuoteI don't see why not. I believe some species have interdimensional technolgy that is able to store their mind/energy body/soul in large crystal devices. This mind can then be transferred into a physical body, weather it be biological or mechanical and allowed to function similar to ours. As they grow old, the on board computer of their ship will use this advanced crystal technology to temporarily store their mind while the new body is built/grown. Then the transfer process will take place and the individuals mind will now be in complete control of the new body.

Have any of the concepts that you write about here been proposed in literature or on the internet or did you form these ideas on your own? If these ideas can be found elsewhere could you provide any links??
(I am curious because a similar thread to this was started in the openmindsforum.com website. It deals with alien technology being able to beam/transmit souls/soul energy across interstellar space.)

Thanx for any replies in advance.

Regards  8-)
Grey

In the tv series Stargate SG1 the race of gray aliens known as the asgard had the ability to download there counsiousness to and from the ships computer. They would have a new body cloned for them and then the individuals mind would be placed into the new body.

As for beaming minds across space, that would probably be pretty easy for a race that mastered interdimensional travel. Since energy bodies are able to move at the speed of thought through space, all you would have to do is use an interdimensional stargate.

Quote from: kurtykurt42 on December 03, 2009, 15:40:59
I've heard that some of the greys are androids and therefore don't have souls.

dear kurtykurt42,

my research indicates that to be true.

But it appears that those are a different form of "Grey".
These "Greys" are specifically engineered to be bio-robotic slaves.
But I don't know whether the host-consciousness of these "Greys" is an enslaved soul-based consciousness or a form of artificial consciousness.


peace

Lets not forget that there are probably over a trillion species of greys out there in the universe. I'm sure some of them are easily advanced enough to make android bodes that have minds, while others are not.

There's one species worth mentioning - they have a life force similar to our own (based in a plasmic orb of mind data) but they can split it and place slivers of the orb in multiple bodies to carry out different tasks.

About the smaller worker-type greys: I hear about many galactic organizations using them as workers. I think maybe they're an engineered species that anyone can clone and use like robots

Quote from: kurtykurt42 on December 06, 2009, 20:53:22
Lets not forget that there are probably over a trillion species of greys out there in the universe. I'm sure some of them are easily advanced enough to make android bodes that have minds, while others are not.

skip to 3:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWR6WE4z20g

I suppose those are witnesses' drawings.



peace

Quote from: Tiny on December 07, 2009, 08:44:11
skip to 3:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWR6WE4z20g

I suppose those are witnesses' drawings.



peace

I feel like i known them my whole life.Maybe from another life.Weird

My idea of soul is:The counsciousness / mind / your energy is the soul and I don't think/feel that the soul is somehow separated from the mind when I am speaking of the soul itself and it cant be separated.So bottom line, you can't live without soul because the soul it's you.It is like you are saying that you body can live without your energy / soul.

Vladjackguy

Quote from: PissedOff24 on February 27, 2009, 20:01:26
Hello,

Is it possible to live without a soul? As in having no emotions, pretty much being an empty person. That would kind of suck, but I am just curious if living without a soul is indeed possible. I am still skeptical to the idea of a "soul". I have had experiences that are out of the ordinary you could say, but they could all just be hallucinations of my mind. Chemicals in my brain going haywire. I have tried meditating, for hours on end, but all I see is eternal darkness. Nothingness and an empty mind.

Vulcans also have no emotions, but they do have a "kantra" which most likely equates to a soul.

There are animals and even people with no soul, sometimes called biorobots by occult and esoterics specialists. That name is given since the only thing that keeps it moving is different combinations of programs. Originally survival instincts programmed in DNA, but also many programs add up from around as it is "living". About emotions, it might show those - similar to how you program a computer program - If xxxx occurs then yyyy happens.  Empty vessel on autopilot... If you can see auras it is easy to say if you are looking to one with no soul. The aura of it does not look like an aura of any normal being, not even corrupted, it looks like full of strings oddly reminding a string musical instrument. Of course it has energy, as well as astral body, different vessels, but no real consciousness as it has no soul.. However... this being may gain soul. Sounds pretty stupid, but even normal living beings may have change of soul. The new soul that occupies the body, doesn't even remember it's coming on earth, since it gains access to all the information/memories/experiences stored in the brain and DNA of body it occupies, so it feels like one has been living like that since one was born. This is actually a pretty deep topic.. just tried to explain it the easy way. There many things to rack one's brains on, since our society has been made a sleeping one...

Quote from: BaiLu on December 15, 2009, 12:19:11
There are animals and even people with no soul, sometimes called biorobots by occult and esoterics specialists. That name is given since the only thing that keeps it moving is different combinations of programs. Originally survival instincts programmed in DNA, but also many programs add up from around as it is "living". About emotions, it might show those - similar to how you program a computer program - If xxxx occurs then yyyy happens.  Empty vessel on autopilot... If you can see auras it is easy to say if you are looking to one with no soul. The aura of it does not look like an aura of any normal being, not even corrupted, it looks like full of strings oddly reminding a string musical instrument. Of course it has energy, as well as astral body, different vessels, but no real consciousness as it has no soul.. However... this being may gain soul. Sounds pretty stupid, but even normal living beings may have change of soul. The new soul that occupies the body, doesn't even remember it's coming on earth, since it gains access to all the information/memories/experiences stored in the brain and DNA of body it occupies, so it feels like one has been living like that since one was born. This is actually a pretty deep topic.. just tried to explain it the easy way. There many things to rack one's brains on, since our society has been made a sleeping one...

Should that be true... how many number of souls have inhabited your body during any extended period of time?
I personally can't believe that to be true.  But meh, that's just me.  :)

Quote from: Xanth on December 15, 2009, 12:51:51
Should that be true... how many number of souls have inhabited your body during any extended period of time?
I personally can't believe that to be true.  But meh, that's just me.  :)

No it's ok, you can't tell what is true in this world anymore by just listening and reading theory..

I think that entities with powerful amounts of energy can come to worlds such as this and inhabit physical bodies of people that are very weak. Often these people have been using drugs, medications, alcohol, etc. for many years. The new soul can absorb itself onto the old soul and process all of the old memories and basically be that same exact person. I believe an entity can also kick the persons energy body out of his physical body and take over his physical body completely.  :?

how does everyone come to believe that grays have no souls? i dont believe i have "more soul" than an insect or a gray. i find it arrogant to say that a human can recognize a soul and judge who hasnt one and who has.

I agree, Grays and whatever other ETs should have a soul, because i believe any councious being has a soul, whether they are human, a sinister alien, or an intelligent machine. As for Kurt's theory that a soul can inhabit humans who are addicted to drugs/alcohol and expell ther etheric body, that is rubbish, if that were true, you wouldnt see recovering drug addicts and alcoholics (many of which ive known as friends and family) all the time, because this more powerful soul wouldnt allow it. And believe me when i say ive seen drug addicts that are as low and close to death as can be make a full recovery, albeit, with the help of their families usually. The idea of a continuance of counciousness, but more than one soul involved in the same continuance just dosent strike me as possible or plausable.

Perhaps when you see an entity take over one of your best friends body you won't believe it's rubbish anymore.

so how can you tell it was an entity that took over?

Usually a lack of memory is a good indication, as well as a severe change in attitude. Read my post Astral entity in my friends body (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/astral_entity_in_my_friends_body-t30492.0.html).

yea, i remember having read that thread now.

QuoteI then asked him if he could see a green wave coming from the sphere, and he said yes. This I believe is a subliminal programming technique used by the government to alter a person's mind.

why did you even have the idea that there could be a green wave? so you came up with the idea of some green wave being used as subliminal programming and the entity approved of it?

i probably just misunderstood what you were trying to say, but this sounded too random for me to be taken seriously.

I had been meditating for a while and my pineal/third eye became active. Since I don't have cable TV I have never noticed this before then, but I could see green waves emanating from the TV. My friend (the entity) confirmed that he could also see green waves coming from a large sphere, which is what I was seeing as well.

After thinking this over for a while, I believe that I was at the resonant frequency of this entity and he was able to perceive me due to this fact. My friend was asleep at the time and his energy body was probably somewhere else. So, I believe this entity either deliberately or accidentally (which is what I think) stumbled into my friends body and was able to take control for about five minutes.

Quote from: kurtykurt42 on December 18, 2009, 17:03:14
Perhaps when you see an entity take over one of your best friends body you won't believe it's rubbish anymore.

Well if you expect me to believe your hearsay, I wouldnt be much of a critical thinker now would I? Anyways, if what you said happened were true, then at the best thats 2 souls in your friends body, unless you of course saw your friends soul dart out at the same time. But 2 souls inhabiting the same body is another discussion on possesion and somewhat irrelevant to my argument.

I wouldn't lie to you captain. My friend had fallen asleep and the entity took over his body at that time. It's commonly accepted that when we sleep our energy body projects to another place or in other words your soul leaves your body.

lol yea, commonly accepted. wrong assumptions give wrong results, remember that. even if you seem to have validations, there DEFINITELY are more than one possible explanation. seriously.

Hey, I'm new here but I thought it was time I started posting.

My realisations about "reality" are constantly evolving, so this is only my opinion at this point in time.  I came to the following opinion a few days ago and I've been thinking about typing it out to consolidate my understanding of it, and it seems to fit this topic, so here goes!

I think the biggest problem is using words, which very very limited, to describe concepts - my understanding of a "soul"may be very different from someone elses understanding of a "soul".  So in this sense, both everyone and everything, as well as noone and nothing has a soul depending on your perspective.  It's why I don't feel comfortable with talking about spirit, soul, God, etc etc because they are just labels and often attached to many different things depending on what understanding you have based on past experience.

Two words I do feel comfortable using are "Consciousness" and "Mind".  I think at this moment in time...  It really is that simple!  Everything has both of these...  The way I see it, in the "beginning" there was only one consciousness, with a mind encompassing everything that could be.  All possibilities existed but nothing could be subjectively experienced because it knew everything, both the good and the bad.  So therefore, it managed to fragment it's mind...  Now, though it was the same consciousness it didn't know what the "others" mind contained, and so it would have to interact and experience the knowing of the "other" - and hence started experiencing subjectively.  Each mind contained a link to the whole, andso could derive information "inwardly" as well as "outwardly".  In this way, the "Mind" fragmented over and over, to create everything we both know and do not know at this moment in time.  We are minds inside minds inside minds.  This is, I feel, how Franks focus levels work - His Focus 2 is our "personal" mind - the collection of everything we are unconsciously that is thrown over the wall to our conscious minds as we interact with the physical.  Then you get to Focus 3 which is a larger shared mind - that of humanity - or possibly this physical universe.  In this way, even we can fragment our own minds and often do - assuming the "Parent" role, the "Partner" role, the "Friend" role - until you get to the point where you can become disconnected with those parts of your mind and they become "other" to you, as you don't wish to own them, hence some mental illnesses.  I also believe these Minds are never completely seperate - only as much as you or "another" wish them to be, and so others can influence your own mind and you can tap into others...  this includes "minds" which do not have a physical existance.  I think is is where Soul Mates come in - those beings which you have spent past existance with which that part of "your" mind is shared, and so you are drawn to each other.  I think everything has a Mind, including atoms etc...  

I hope this makes some sense, but it's my current thinking on the matter and quite hard to put into words!  So if you think of the "Soul" as being what makes you the unique you that you are, then yes - everythin has a soul.  But that soul - Mind - may work very differently to your own.  It may be a series of programmed automatic responses, or it may have the self awareness to chose what it indentifies with and has the ability to change the contents of, for good or bad.  But without the bad, we wouldn't know that the good was good!  (It's very easy for be to say that objectively, but subjectively... not so much :P)  I know my own mind has plenty of dark corners to it, but I take onboard the need to address and change these as and when I'm ready, as by doing so the group Mind that I also "belong" to - humanity will hopefully be pushed in a lighter direction also.

I wouldn't lie to you captain. My friend had fallen asleep and the entity took over his body at that time. It's commonly accepted that when we sleep our energy body projects to another place or in other words your soul leaves your body.

What makes you think your energy body is your soul? If this were the case, would people not be getting their bodies taken over every night? A theory that is commonly accepted is your consciousness stays in your body and is mirrored toward your Astral body while you sleep. Have you ever Astral Projected only to find that a being has taken over your body since your soul left it? I haven't heard of even 1 case of this happening. And if your theory is correct, then why would somebody even be able to come back to their bodies' once an entity inhabited it?
I agree with the other guy who said that a being can attach itself to your body, meaning 2 souls are in it at the same time, not a being kicking your soul out of your body.

Most people are soulless (75%) due to corrupted genetics, soulless people are very selfish and in many cases immoral. Soulless people begets soulless children. Don't worry about being soulless,A soulless person would not hang around an  astral projection forum.

Where in the world did you get that from? lol
People are not born soulless, there are things that happen to people, causing themselves to become damaged and eventually they may forget who they are or once were.. That does not make them bad and/or soulless people, it means they lost their way.

 

You say:

Quote from: missym on March 03, 2010, 20:55:14
People are not born soulless, there are things that happen to people, causing themselves to become damaged and eventually they may forget who they are or once were.. That does not make them bad and/or soulless people, it means they lost their way.

then you say: 

Quote from: missym on March 03, 2010, 20:55:14
Most people are soulless (75%) due to corrupted genetics

.   And then,

QuoteSoulless people begets soulless children.

First of all, how do you know how many people are 'soulless', and how do you reconcile saying people are not born soulless and then say they are?  Where does your information come from, how are you defining soul here, if you are talking about genetics, something purely physical?
For that matter, how do you define 'selfish' and 'immoral'?  Just curious about the last one.

I think she was trying to quote that, someone else said about the 75% thing, I believe what she was trying to say was only this:

QuoteWhere in the world did you get that from? lol
People are not born soulless, there are things that happen to people, causing themselves to become damaged and eventually they may forget who they are or once were.. That does not make them bad and/or soulless people, it means they lost their way.

Quote from: missym on March 03, 2010, 20:51:46
What makes you think your energy body is your soul? If this were the case, would people not be getting their bodies taken over every night? A theory that is commonly accepted is your consciousness stays in your body and is mirrored toward your Astral body while you sleep. Have you ever Astral Projected only to find that a being has taken over your body since your soul left it? I haven't heard of even 1 case of this happening. And if your theory is correct, then why would somebody even be able to come back to their bodies' once an entity inhabited it?
I agree with the other guy who said that a being can attach itself to your body, meaning 2 souls are in it at the same time, not a being kicking your soul out of your body.

We all have energy bodies at many levels of consciousness (dimensions). My theory is that instead of making a 'copy', your awareness is transferred to your 'astral energy body' and when you go to the RTZ, your awareness is transferred into your 'RTZ energy body' and this continues onto the higher dimensional planes.

The entity that 'takes over' someones physical body may be us from a past life, may be our energy body from a higher plane, or it might be 'someone' or dare I say 'something' else.

Here is a link from ellie crystal on what is a soul.

http://www.crystalinks.com/whatisasoul.html