<Through the Barrier - First Step in Channeling>

[Edi]

A very nice session indeed. It is a very good demonstration of the first few necessary stages you go through in the process of getting to know the guides and learning to be a channeler. I'll point those stages out in order to make a clear delineation of what happens. This is by all not a fixed 'method' in training, but a rough outline of the general course such sessions as we have one above take.

1) Shedding of conditioning

There needs to be an understanding of how the guides work. The concepts of 'angels','guides' and 'aliens' are heavily influenced by how one is educated and what has been heard before. It is not the goal to impose any new 'teaching' about those things, because all this will be experienced by interaction over time; it is rather important to explain misconceptions that would be a hindrance in easy communication. Let's look at an example:


Mach One says:
so if I haven't had any visions or dreams of aliens or anything of the like i'm probably not ready for contact?
MAYA - back now says:
Doesn't mean anything like that.  Some dream, some don't.  Some never feel the 'need' to read about such things as Astral Projection, and then suddenly find they are doing it. [...]
MAYA - back now says:
It is important to realize that 'spirituality' is NOT about doing this and that ........it is about common sense and intuition, as James S has pointed out - as well as myself - repeatedly.


Many people think that in order to be 'spiritual' you need to do something, like gaining certain abilities or having certain experiences. This is plaing wrong. Each individual develops in his own way with his unique experiences, and comparing to others always puts out of sight the individual factor that is involved all the time. In fact, thoughts of being inferior or 'missing' something are a hindrance in progressing - this is why Mayatnik made sure that Mach One doesn't go on with this possible misunderstanding.
In the same manner, other topics the person needs to talk about are covered, and by this eventually a relaxed and stable state is found ... the person needs to be grounded and confident in themselves before anything else can be reached.

Mach One says:
Has your guide told you anything about me?
MAYA - back now says:
No, except that you are receptive and that I can help you by talking about things that will aid you towards being 'ready'.

The guides do never give out personal details to a person if it is not necessary at the moment or would be handled wrongly. Apart from keeping the natural level of privacy and respect at all times, this also makes sure that no information is forced on someone, but provides the channeler (Mayatnik in this case) to know everything that is necessary in order to work with the person and to see what do to next, how to proceed in the conversation. Another goal behind all this talking is getting to know the person. All such conversations are done on a personal basis, with easy talking 'from the heart', at an informal level, and the openness of a person is a factor in how the guides decide to proceed. Sometimes it is just not the right time in a person's life, but when a person shows a genuine interest and has the right mind set (which is necessary) the next 'point' is reached':

2) Recognizing telepathic contact

As Mayatnik says, "It is actually much easier than you think.". If the right attitude is there, it is just a matter of doing it - no methods, no special abilties, just being calm and open to whatever is perceived on an intuitive level, and brought to expression then by the mind. The factor that is involved here is that "Society is AFRAID of 'voices' in their head". But leaving out doubts about the process of telepathy is necessary to experience what it is all about, confidently talking.... just talk as you would with any person, and see where it takes you. The confirmation and validation by someone else who has experience with it serves the purpose of giving this necessary confidence. Confidence in that this 'talking' really works.

3) Practicing and training accuracy

But this first contact is only the earliest step. From this on, accuracy is the aim... this means especially checking with the guides if everything has been understood correctly, if things have been missed, if other wording should be used etc. There is a commitment involved in order to become a good channeler to work correctly at all times with the guides as they wish, and that is a discipline. Often a first quick answer to a question is far from everything there is to be known about a topic, so there needs to be the will to understand all that is necessary, and to interact and ask questions to form the bigger picture. Things need to be discussed, and channeling needs participation from both sides. You hear something, you relate it to what you know, you ask back if this is perceived correctly, and by that get additions on side issues that are also necessary for a greater understanding.

The style of presentation is also something to consider... it can either be done 'directly', which means word for word from the guides; or 'indirectly' (a more advanced and difficult way of doing it but which is often very suitable for a particular application... the way Mayatnik often channels his guide), where you weave the guides' advice into your own words in order to present things in the best way. This also involves lots of talking and discussing about the issues at hand so the best benefit is reached, e.g. by asking certain questions or pointing to certain topics that are necessary to be explored in the indirectly channeled words. This is subtle guidance, but very effective when done properly.

On a side note, Mayatnik pointed out to me that the guides have now lifted their decision they had placed recently with regard to there being no new would-be telepathy students being considered, and this lifting, I am told by Mayatnik, is because there is now a much healthier and positive approach by many members (particularly in the Psychic Self Defence section of the forum) towards discussing things.  This does not mean, however, that if a person contacts Mayatnik, or myself or Fuzziwig or any other Telepathy Project group member that they will be automatically eligible for training. Only the guides can decide that at the time when they and they alone consider the person receptive and 'ready'. This makes clear that the guides are monitoring all input to the forums in order to decide what is to be done optimally.

So, I congratulate Nidhananda/Mach One for his quick start and wish him the best!

Kind regards to everyone else,
 Edi

[McArthur]

I would just like to say here that this type of 'opening up' to 'spirits' has always been advised against in various spiritual and religious traditions because of the dangers involved. What i found disturbing in the above posts is that nowhere was this person told he should test these spirits (if that is even what he contacted).

Opening oneself up to channeling of spirits without at least learning the basics of sheilding techniques etc is extremely dangerous and many have been deceived by bad spirits pretending to be good ones. Its just not easy to tell which is good or bad because spirits can tell lies just like humans can.

Take this post as you like but what i am saying comes from direct experience in this area for quite some time. And saying that we all have Zeta guides is ringing alarm bells for me personally that what you people are in contact with is feeding you with disinformation.

If your guides would like to help me overcome my suspicions of them being negs then please ask them if they will be prepared to answer some questions i may have for them. I know through experience that any good spirit will not mind being tested. The ones who dont like being tested should not be trusted and a banishment done immediately.

My first question would be are these the same beings that are being channelled by zetatalk.com?

In Light

McArthur

[Edi]

McArthur,

I would like to suggest a different way of seeing things. I can of course not deny what you have experienced, but the one thing that in the end shapes how we think about such issues is not what we experience, but how we perceive what happens to us.

Let me explain this with an example.

A child often is upset about the way the parent treats him, feeling that the parent is treating him horribly. The child does not have the perspective of the parent, and this is obvious to a bystander who is simply stunned by the exaggerated claims and verbal movements of the child, trying to alert people to the really really horrible parent.

Channeling by itself is as dangerous as talking through a telephone. You might be disturbed by some things you may or may not not hear... I've been talking to spirits for quite some time now, and there's never been a single problem in this, the same applies to several other people I know closely. Channeling needs training, because the only area where a problem could possibly arise is in what you do with what you hear - this is why Mayatnik (and he has been channeling since 1995 every day often for hours and also teaching - without any problems at all for himself or others), likewise myself, and others wo are working with the guides in that manner - we verify everything, all the time. This is what we are here for.

We encourage people to explore everything that is presented with lots of questioning, like Mayatnik ALWAYS did in over 35,000 solid hours of conversation with many guides. I'm talking about an average 12 solid hours a day of deep conversation, asking lots of questions to build firm foundations for higher perspectives each time, with common sense and in an intuitive manner.

This is how Mayatnik, myself, and many others work with the guides, on a constant basis, with no 'problems' at all - the only safeguard you need is common sense and intuition, and this is what we pass on for people to carefully apply in their communications with the guides at all times, without exception (as was made clear in the transcript by Mayatnik).

kind regards,
 Edi

[McArthur]

Dear Edi & Guides,

quote:Originally posted by Edi
McArthur,

I would like to suggest a different way of seeing things.

This is exactly what i am doing, suggesting a different way of seeing things. Are you prepared to do that?

(snips poor analogy)

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Channeling by itself is as dangerous as talking through a telephone.

So you, or your "guides", would have us believe. If that is so then why are there many sages who say it is a dangerous activity? It is no different than using a Ouija board.

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You might be disturbed by some things you may or may not not hear... I've been talking to spirits for quite some time now, and there's never been a single problem in this, the same applies to several other people I know closely.

Then you obviously do not know how these negative spirits work. They are VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans i assure you. They pick out certain human "contacts" as a "Recriuter" for further victims. Obviously these "contacts" of theirs wont have any negative problems because if they did it would immediately spoil the whole game and network of potential victims.

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Channeling needs training,

And what if you are training people to open themselves up to be fed on by negs? Have you even considered that?

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because the only area where a problem could possibly arise is in what you do with what you hear

False. This is where you are forgetting that there are negs out there that are perfectly able to pretend to be "good spirits". Your ignorance of this fact shows with your above statement.

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- this is why Mayatnik (and he has been channeling since 1995 every day often for hours

Yes ive read about how his guides kept him up late at night constantly talking to him. Ive BEEN THERE and learned some hard facts from it because i realized i was being vampirised. And after that i was threated to be killed and endured many psychic attacks from these supposedly friendly "spirit guides".

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and also teaching -

Teaching what though? As far as i can see he is teaching others how to make themselves vulnerable to these negs without even questioning or testing whether they may be beneficial.

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without any problems at all for himself or others),

That is the way negs are. If they can use you to recruit others to be victims then they certainly wont attack you. They may give you various "spiritual insights" (mostly nothing that is not know already- or even a load of disinformation a lot of the time).

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likewise myself, and others wo are working with the guides in that manner

Yes ive read about how you came to get your High Status with these "aliens". It feels good to have some kind of purpose and to be 'High Up' in the Heirarchy doesnt it? This is a usual, and much often used ploy by negs.

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- we verify everything, all the time. This is what we are here for.

OK, here is where i hold back my skepticism and will ask various questions to "Verify" what you are teaching to others is correct. Am i such a bad person for expecting this? Will your guides answer my questions?

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We encourage people to explore everything that is presented with lots of questioning, like Mayatnik ALWAYS did in over 35,000 solid hours of conversation with many guides.

What you dont realise is that negs do this to MANY people ALL THE TIME. Those 35,000 hours were spent with him giving his full attention (i.e. energy) to vampiric entities whose sole aim is to feed off humans and possibly use the gullable to recruit more.

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I'm talking about an average 12 solid hours a day of deep conversation, asking lots of questions to build firm foundations for higher perspectives each time, with common sense and in an intuitive manner.

Good, ok. Then im sure these entities will be able to answer my very searching questions on subjects such as the Kabbalah and other mystical systems wont they?

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This is how Mayatnik, myself, and many others work with the guides, on a constant basis,

May i ask what safeguards or tests you used to assertain that these beings you are in contact with are of a positive nature? Bearing in mind that negs are VERY CLEVER and good liars? Did you even bother to test them at all?? From what i have read it doesnt seem as though you have.

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with no 'problems' at all -

I bet you will have a problem if you demand that they not contact you for 6 months. Try it and see. But i doubt you will for 2 reasons. 1) If you demand to break contact they will lose their life-support system you are currently providing them and they will do everything in their power to convince you that breaking contact with them is somehow wrong or (include a reason/explanation here). 2) You yourselves dont want to lose the self-importance that having a guide brings. I know what i said sounds very harsh and im sorry, but i have decided this is not the time to be pulling punches when you are recruiting people on here to be hosts to negs.

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the only safeguard you need is common sense and intuition,

This is a load of crap and the worst advice regarding spirits ive ever seen. When dealing with spirits you need to know a lot MORE than this because of the very tricky nature of a lot of spirits that just want to feed off your life force.

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and this is what we pass on for people to carefully apply in their communications with the guides at all times, without exception (as was made clear in the transcript by Mayatnik).

Im sorry but i will say this again. NOWHERE did Mayatnik give the extremely important advice that you should ALWAYS test your spirits. All i saw was his advice to just open up to all and sundry on the Astral Plane without even questioning whether what they were contacting was for their own benefit or not. THIS IS BAD TEACHING AND A VERY DANGERIOUS DOCTRINE. I put those in capitals because i know through experience (and a LOT of suffering) that this is true.

So are your guides prepared to be tested and answer some of my questions or not? I say here and now to all reading this that if these "spirits" refuse to be tested then they are to be ignored and banished as any neg should be.

I doubt they will offer themselves to be tested by me though because most negs know i can recognize their games fairly quickly.

Oh, and as a side note, i myself dont feel as though i am being negative, i am fighting for the light and what my experiences have taught me over the years. If you feel this post is negative then please say so. But i will then ask you who is the one feeling the negativity: me or you?

[Sn0wball]

offtopic: I discovered the Kabala some time ago and I'm also interested in this subject. Maybe could Edi write about it in the Zeta topic

[sain]

if you do communicate with a spirit, how can you tell if it is good or bad if they can lie and decieve us?

[Colin]

Good question. I'm curious what McArthur has to say about that.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by sain

if you do communicate with a spirit, how can you tell if it is good or bad if they can lie and decieve us?

Personally i think that contacting spirits is in itself a very dangerous activity because it is so hard to tell the difference because of the reasons i stated. My advice would be just dont do it.
There are, though, ways of evoking spirits into a "Triangle of Art" while you are in a protective Magic circle. And from there you question it. But this again is a specialist subject and takes a lot of training. The advice given by most Mystery Schools is to not even try to contact spirits until you have made contact with your Higher Self/Holy Guardian Angel.

Now i'm not saying that all spirits are bad, ive had contact with a couple that gave me healing. What i am saying though is that there seems to be no safeguards amongst channelers to decide what kind of spirit they are in contact with.

The main test i would try if you aleady have contact with a spirit is to tell it that you want it to leave and not contact you for a certain amount of time, say 3 months. Especially if you are actually "hearing" a voice. If it comes up with an excuse, any excuse, then i would be suspicious of its intentions.

To be honest there aren't many ways i have found to be able to tell the difference unless you can catch them in a lie or giving data that is obviously false. And what you have to remember is that if you open yourself up to a spirit it will more than likely know your every thought, which in itself makes it harder to test it because it will know what you are thinking of.

It may seem somehow cool to have a "spirit guide", which is only a fairly recent fad really, but if you learn to Astral Project why would you even need one?

If "the guides" of Mayatnik and Edi are prepared to be tested by me then we will see what happens. I wonder if they will though.

Mayatnik & Edi (and anyone else with a guide) will your guides allow themselves to be tested or not? What is the answer?

[Orcher]

Greetings all!

I have followed this Topic and read some interesting comments.

MaCarthur why are you so eager to 'test' the UNKNOWN before it is KNOWN?
Do you test every person you meet in your life when you try to make a friendship with it?
No. You don't. You are experiencing almost a life time with that person before you actually know him/her? So why not giving the same opportunity to your unknown spirit/guide?


You first idea was to first ¡§test¡¨ the Guide before you 'low your shelter'.
So what make your ¡§3-6 month test¡¨ more secures, then that one 'Mach one' was using by starting to actually learn who his guide was?

So let's see now.
You meet or have some contact with a spirit which you doubt to be a good guy or bad guy. And advice us to make the test you mention above (3-6 months test).

So you ask the spirit to leave you alone for about 4 moths? And in case the spirit is evil, it will make some excuse to not leave you alone. As you wrote:
'If you demand to break contact they will lose their life-support system you are currently providing them and they will do everything in their power to convince you that breaking contact with them is somehow wrong or (include a reason/explanation here)'

And in earlier comment you said:

'Then you obviously do not know how these negative spirits work. They are VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans i assure you'.
By a very simple calculation we can actually rephrase your conception as following:

The evil spirit is so 'VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans' at the point that you will never be able to fool it with a such of test as asking it to leave you away for 4 months, because it will know that this is your simple test, and the only thing it need to do is leaving you alone and come back 4 months later. And tadaaam! Suddenly the dinner is ready! And in this case, the spirit is very sure that you will provide them the 'life-support system' as you cal it, for a great long time. Because it succeed the test, didn't it?

The other option would be to KNOW your spirit. By using your common sense (which has nothing to do with how clever you are).
So tell me now. Just how would they nourish them selves on you, if you are using your simple common sense as you already do in your daily life? Would they force you do bad things? Aren't you human enough to know what bad and good is? (Again this has nothing to do with how 'smart' you are)
For example: Do you really think that Edi or Fuzziwig will hurt someone so badly for no reason just because their guide has ordered them to do that? No they will not! The first thing they will do is to cross-examine their Guides for the reason they where ordered to. And of course there will be no any good reason to convince Edi or Fuzziwig to do that.

If you noticed that your spirit demanding you or trying persuade you to unpleasant things. The only thing you need to do is to discontinue your friendship with it. As a matter of fact you are doing that in real life either, when you dislike a friend for some reason.

It wasn't so hard, was it? You really don't need any energy Shield or any 'DBZ' Technique to defence your self with. And it doesn¡¦t mater how damn CLEVER they are, because the equation is simple. Be nice [], and they can't do anything to force your doing.
It's only enough to Understand and Master your Feelings (because they actually using indirectly your feelings to control).
And as an extra cream on the cake, it is great enough to know that you are invulnerable and has your own will to make your own choice no matter what other say. (Yes even God, because it was his own rule to have the free will)

You second opinion was 'avoid contacting spirits is in itself a very dangerous'.
What a shame! Do you really want to miss an opportunity like that? What if your Guide is a 'Good' spirit?
If you succeeded to build a strong friendship and connection between your selves, I can then assure you, that you have gained a wonderful gift you really should be proud of.

last but not least, to mention those Zetas and Pleiadians. Why their do existents need to be proved so much? Why are you so eager to test them? Actually to me it doesn't mater as far as they are following my stream. []
I said that because I do like to emphasize the sentiment of ¡§they are more likely following my way then I am following theirs, or to be more correct by saying, we both (all of us who have the same opinion) are following the same why of love, enlightenment and Truth. Does it really matter who they are? If it does, then just don't get stuck with it! Follow the stream in a distance way. Jump IN or OUT whenever you feel the right decision.

Almost forgot to say Congratulation 'Nidhananda', you do great!

Excuse my English as I'am not an English spoken guy.

[MAYATNIK]

Hello McArther,

Your input is appreciated, in expressing your concerns.  I have talked with the other channelers in our group and we fully understand where you're coming from – we understand your point of view and, from your position it is valid.  In fact, let us be clear here; each person has a valid point to make from their own perception.  Everything we experience variously adds to, changes or reinforces that 'perception' – but, at each stage, it is ONLY a perception.  How can we 'validate' that perception (yours or mine)?  Only by interaction, otherwise we merely reinforce the existing.  That is why this forum, and all discussion platforms – and especially good conversation – is  refreshing, it adds new input for thought; we would stagnate otherwise, and that is what has happened with religion 'set in stone' as it is.  New knowledge into our perception is vital, therefore.   It does not mean we have to accept with 'blind faith' that knowledge we come across from others – that would be stupid, and would imply throwing away our present perceptions.  But, we need to draw the curtains back to see what is 'outside' of our perception, and not exclude it.  So, it is no use pretending that no other 'realities' exist (realities being, obviously, the perceptions of others).

We, the channelers in our group here, are very well aware of the different perceptions that exist – after all, that is what channelling is about; receiving information when we ask, or are given it to aid understanding and reach higher perception levels for a good perspective.  We receive this information surprisingly fast by telepathy, but to relay it we have to use the 'conventional' means of writing, linear fashion, and a stream of words takes time and also needs to be structured to present to those who may not know the foundations that are the basis of the topic we are relaying information about.  As a result, you will find degrees of 'compartmentalism', so wherever you look there are books that deal with this or that (but rarely are 'definitive' - according to one's perception) and they often seem to miss out what you, the reader, would have liked to have seen in the text, if only to enlighten others of what you know already (your own experience, 'good' or 'bad' (remembering that all is perception only at any given level).  Because our earth-bound means of communication, in the established way of society, is thus restricted then the more one reads the better informed (and preconceptions should be put aside, since they will only be 'validated' as to their 'truth' the more you learn – so it is not sensible to simply exclude material that does not align with one's present perception).   A good channeler will therefore DISCUSS with their guides in great depth what is being channelled to them, long before it is published in whatever form.

It is not just a matter of accepting the 'input' and spewing it out, as may seem to be the case to those who do not know or who have visited some of the weird sites that profess to being 'accurately channeled' – many may well be ego-driven (and by 'ego' I mean 'confidence in oneself alone' that a <message> received is accurate, simply because they have done it time and time again as they reason to themselves why should they question what they receive.   Again, 'questioning' should be as I have outlined above here (and plese refer to other texts elsewhere on the forum by our channelers also for this) and common sense with intuition applied should always be used.  This could be called 'testing', but we do not use that word since it is heavily 'coloured' with preconceptions in this 'modern world' already filled with much rubbish and the ever present tendency to approach things with an initial intention to reject at the first sign that it does not meet the present perception of the person, thus resulting in a closed-circle mentality.

The way forward, in learning about anything new, is to accept that you do not know since it is 'new' and the first thing to do – at each and every level, as you progress along that 'new path' of sightseeing and assimilation is to simply 'take in the scenery' and using common sense and intuition build up a foundation.

We have not even touched here yet in this post on the content of channelling (and it should be made absolutely clear here that merely 'hearing voices' or whatever in your head is NOT channelling, for the reasons stated above).  Nor have we discussed the perceptually-valid experiences of yourself; who should deny that you didn't experience those things?  Who should deny, also, that we channelers do not know what we are about?

When we come to 'content', again we have to consider perception.  There are some on this site that will not even read anything that has the subject of 'Zeta' or similar in it – and David Icke (a 'researcher' not a channeler) has painted the blackest picture of his perceived 'Reptilians' so closing the door for many who accept his words at face value.  I will say here that, David Icke like many others, has a propensity to go down the rabbit-holes of his choosing and exclude that which (abundantly published elsewhere) points to other interpretations and rich sources of much researched further information that paints a completely different meaning.  Similarly, in people's 'choice' of reading it is assumed by them that the content will be this or that....... So again, they do not read it properly (and the mind often blocks, due to conditioning, whole sentences that are not 'palatable' to the present perception.  All should be read with a receptive mind to consider.  The Reptilians thread of Fuzziwig's is a case in point, where the channelings are information concerning Man's present attitudes, and not generally about the Reptilians or 'aliens' themselves unless a member asks a specific question.  Likewise, the Zeta thread that Edi is currently channelling (although Fuzziwig channels the Zeta also) is about how best we can deal with what we find around us in the 'ordinary world' today.  It would seem sensible, therefore, to read something that would give a different perspective, new input, on this world that is filled with media-hype and money-grabbing ideas to catch the guilable at every turn  You could argue that there are websites and even some books by so-called 'channelers' that, if you look closely, patently are out to make money in this way; that is the nature of the world we are in – and that is why there is a list in the Astral Pulse Library (book recommendations by Mayatnik)  of the books that do not go along that route, and that list includes not only channelling (Barbara Hand Clow, Barbara Marciniak, Amorah Quan Yin, etc) by very well respected and worldwide-established channelers, but also serious academic and other practical fields of exploration and validated knowledge about the origins of Mankind and ancient civilization proofs of these.  You will not find books on such as Psychic Defence in that list, quite simply because there are others who specialize in such things and want to write about them, valid to their own perception.  We, as channelers, write across-the-board where appropriate, but we naturally concentrate on giving general information to the world at large about such matters as our origins and new ways to look at our present surroundings in society as we evolve.

Your perception that we channelers should not only 'protect' ourselves but should also point to the need for such protection in others is misplaced, due to your perception from where you stand.  If we felt a need, then it would be sensible to build in 'psychic defence' protection – but there is no need, simply because the route taken is different in our case and the many many 'tests' (as you would call them) being applied along the way, albeit as questioning for further information and not in a negative way) before we even get to the 'stage' of channeling.   In the case of someone who comes across channelled material (or even explanations about it) should we dot every 'I' and cross every 'ti'.  Clearly if we did that, then we would in each post be writing a book.  We can only, therefore, assume that the reader applies common sense, and in that we mean to 'follow the thread' and not just jump in having read a couple of posts at most because that is to be ill-informed and the responsibility for common sense rests with the individual.  If you don't know the facts of what you are reading, then find out by reading more, simple as that; and there is an abundance of channelled material in the Communications section that, put together, gives a very coherent picture – even with each channeler working independently with their guide... validation in itself!

Specific questions regarding anything at all are answered by the Zeta, so that thread is the place to go with your questions (and reading through it will reveal past questions answered among many other things that will indirectly help towards answers).  Such things as 'astral projection' and 'energy raising' for example are topics that have been dealt with in the area of specifics, but much general information is there available ongoing in both the Zeta and Reptilian channelings.

This particular thread here, however, was started simply to show people a further perspective, in the transcript, of how telepathy training is done and how easily first 'contact' can be made, and the summary by Edi adds information here regarding the 'processes'.  It was emphasised that it was only a beginning.....and the fact of calling it a 'channeling' rather than just telepathy was because there was substantial information content that was useful for others to read about, rather than similar transcripts that have been published by us in the past of simple telepathic interaction.  It does not imply that Mach One is a channeler, but only that he has taken the first step (and it is a long road where careful training is needed.  I came up by a road where I had no 'human interface' and all the training was done by my guide, talking to me.  Most would find it easier to have such a 'human interface' and, in fact, the guides have this programme in place with our channelers for us to help by being present at the training-sessions in order to ensure the accuracy and to correct any misconceptions at each step.  But it is step-by-step, and anyone trying it themselves alone could well find they become confused, not surprisingly.  And if there is much preconditioning or fear, then this will further add to their perceived difficulties.  Telepathy is easy, but essential that conditioning is shed and common sense and intuition applied at all times.  It's not good trying to talk to 'spirits' if you are constantly afraid or thinking they are 'out to get you', since it just reinforces it – and may even seem the case.   Better to leave it to those who are not afraid, in the same way that you would not be advised to drive your car if you are 'twitchy' about every road you drive on and those you encounter because that can lead to a 'bump' caused by your lack of confidence and misperceptions about other 'road users' to the extent that multiple 'bumps' can leave you a shivering wreck and blaming others.  If you are a competent driver, then you will deal efficiently and easily with all that comes along, but that takes confidence (lack of 'doubt' especially) plus common sense and good 'road intuition', and you will most certainly take it as a matter of course because you will be skilled in what you do.  Perception depends on acquired experience and understanding, just like driving abroad or being an 'advanced driver' rather than just an average 'road user' who pops in the car to go down to the shops.

The points you raise, McArthur, regarding 'testing' of 'spirits' are worth examining here.  The issue has been dealt with by the Zeta in Edi's Zeta Conversations thread a few times, and lately also.  So that is worth reading for a good perspective of how the guides view this.  But here I shall take a different approach (bear in mind that all that I write here in this post, as elsewhere (and unless specifically stated otherwise to be my own personal input) is still channelled – albeit 'indirectly, meaning I discuss with my guide, as I go along, how they would like this presenting for the best understanding at this level here) and examine a particular quote I have taken from your last post, to illustrate these points.  When I channel Karek, my Pleiadian guide, 'direct' (word for word) then I include a "K: " at the start of the sentence of paragraph, and in a colour normally.  

I put your quoted words in green italics:
The main test i would try if you aleady have contact with a spirit is to tell it that you want it to leave and not contact you for a certain amount of time, say 3 months. Especially if you are actually "hearing" a voice. If it comes up with an excuse, any excuse, then i would be suspicious of its intentions

Would you like to comment on that quote Karek?
K:Yes.  Hello McArthur, and everone.
When people talk about 'spirits' this covers a wide range of what they perceive.  Sometimes they are referring to 'ghosts', sometimes just to 'feelings' – and neither ghosts as you call them,  nor feelings, will necessarily 'go away' when asked or 'commanded'.  So, it is not the best approach.  The reasons for this have been channeled in depth by the Zeta so we would suggest you read that for a fuller explanation.  What we can add here is that very often what you think are 'ghosts' are actually just <replays> of imprints that are thought-forms and these can become 'part' of a surrounding, a room or whatever, or even 'attach' themselves to wherever a person is.  The reasons for this phenomena are various; in the case of an 'imprint' in walls and which comes out as a kind of video-replay to a person who is sensitive, then clearly it is the sensitivity of the person who experiences this 'reception' by their receptivity/sensitivity.  If you have this receptivity extra sense in addition to your ears and eyes etc then you can indeed 'shut it out' by dulling your senses generally or chanting or such (the equivalent of clapping your hands to your ears).  But most people experiencing 'ghosts' of any kind are in a hightened state and may even become upset or hysterical if the occurrence is a shock to their 'normality'.  The answer in general to this, and with all things especially the 'supernatural', is to remain calm and to simply allow yourself to 'observe' impartially.  This has a benefit on the person, and if the 'ghost' happens to be a real 'presence' then it does not upset the 'ghost' either; remember, that any being, whether living or 'dead' has a personality of their own and any encounter is an interaction, so a calm disposition is the way forward and 'commanding' it to go is the same as opening the door to someone outside and immediately saying "Go away".  Your visitor would think you were odd.
In the case of 'feelings', we include here the emotional state of the person in general, often based on their past 'experiences' and these will 'colour' their perception right from the start of the encounter if it is external (and not just a projection of their fears, but in any event the two can become mixed if the mind is confused and not clear and calm).  Again, we stress that conditioning (what you have heard or read) plays a large part in how you perceive things, and fear induced by this means and 'dire warnings' etc can soon become amplified to such a state where any encounter can be distorted out of recognition from its actual reality, and the same applies to Astral Projection of whatever kind.  So, bear these things in mind.  The fact that most here are interested in the paranormal in whatever application means that they will surely encounter it sooner or later, and if you want to encounter then fear is not the best way to go out into the 'jungle'; you need to be calm and alert, and most of all apply common sense in realizing that what you have heard from others is only their perception, and therefore not sensible to let it 'colour' your experience so an open and positive mind is also called for.

The word 'spirits' that you use also conveys different things to different people.   Throughout your History, you have been introduced, at different periods, to the realms above your 3rd dimensional world.  Even in your Neolithic times, there were Shaman and the people who could not talk directly with the 'spirits' would gather around the Shaman who would then relay their words and messages, most often regarding how to make the best of their situations and community, and this included also much information given about the stars and planets and their influences on the lives of the people, and the people had astronomical observatories – your archaelogists have discovered these – even in those times, because of the interaction from the guiding 'spirits'.

You also will hear of 'animal totems', 'animal guides' and the 'elementals' – these are all forms of 'spirit', but the understanding has become distorted over time – often by only reading one view and this then becoming 'written in stone'.  Magick goes back in your recorded History 10,000 years, and over time the concepts have become manipulated and often focus brought to bear on small aspects that have then overshadowed.  So, your perspective of witchcraft has had different 'colourations' in each time period of its change.  It is mainly due to this that your fears came into being – due to misunderstandings arising from inadequate knowledge of what had been hidden (the occult) by Mystery Schools and also by suppression and grotesque distortion of the 'pagan' facts by religions.

Then, you came to the period when Spiritualism emerged.  This was part of your evolution at that time for you to learn more, and so the movement grew.  It grew all the more rapidly at the time of war when thousands died and relatives  in grief sought solace by 'contacting their dead' through a Medium.  It is not good to cling to the past, and those who are departed need to move on while those remaining need to start a new life.  But, you had to learn this yourselves – and so we encouraged such 'contacts' and helped the Mediums.  We have to say here, that when a person 'dies' they do not normally come back every time when 'called', but within limits we allow them to break from their lessons in the afterlife ('up here') and jobs that they may be engaged in, and to come back to speak.  Sometimes a guide will speak on their behalf, but clearly you can understand that the 'dead' don't, apart from a few, just wander around aimlessly after death – and to be called back because someone wants to speak to 'Uncle Sid' is like being phoned while in class or at work... and it can disrupt what 'Uncle Sid' is doing, unless it is part of his 'project' and some do indeed become guides or otherwise 'assist' in some way unseen the 'loved ones' remaining on Earth.  But, actually, after 'death' the soul stops being the 'person' they were on Earth (they were only playing that 'role' for their incarnation and lessons of life), so they are no longer the 'Uncle Sid' that those on Earth knew anyway.   A few, however, if they have been much confused in their life, want to remain and still be who they were – not able to make the break – and so they linger in the Astral plane, and revisit the surroundings of the physicality they had known and still don't understand they are not part of it any longer.  It is those 'spirits' as you call them that can be persistant.  They are looking for their 'answers' to make sense of things in their confused state.  They naturally can get upset, so we ask for people to have compassion.  More about this particular aspect is explained in the Zeta Conversations thread channelings, so we refer you to that rather than repeating here.

Which brings us to the subject of 'aliens'.  You've been through it all in your History – and now of late emerges 'alien' channelings.  Actually, the 'aliens' were around, and recorded in your History, from many thousands of years ago.  In Sumerian times the Zeta were called the IG.I.GI.  The Igigi were there at the time of Noah, when the last Pole Shift and the Flood occurred.  So, they know all about it, and are here now in your conscousness as you read about them.  They, as the Zeta, have written about the Pole Shift on www.zetatalk.com and there is much valuable information on that site, not just about the Pole Shift but about such things as 'Density' (the different dimensions, and what it all means) and it clarifies many misconceptions that books on the esoteric have introduced over time, so well worth reading.  You are not asked to 'believe' what you read; it is simply there for information, and any information adds especially if it helps to remove misconceptions and fears at this time to overcome the conditioning that many manipulating leaders (both church and state, in order to control you) have applied to you over time.  You will also read on the zetatalk site how governments, particularly the US government, have played with you, and how (and you will find independent testimony of this on other websites from ordinary people who have seen what is going on) they are in fact building bunkers for their own ends, without regard for their population, for after the Pole Shift – which they know is coming, yet do not tell the people so the Zeta are doing it for them because the Zeta are the 'watchers' mentioned in Ancient Texts who have cared for Man since the earliest times and continue to do so.  So, whatever you may think, would you expect anything less than for the Zeta to give you this information for you to think about.  You, after all, absorb much rubbish from your TV and books every day without thinking, you accept much of what your politicians tell you with 'blind belief' – and much is manipulative.  So, the Zeta ask only that you read and discuss with an open mind what is offered on their site.

As far as the channelings on the Astral Pulse are concerned, these are NOT about the Pole Shift at all - unless a member asks a specific question, in which case an answer relevant to the context will be given.  In general, the Zeta are here on the Astral Pulse to give information that will assist understanding of these times and such matters as education in your schools and how your society views things is discussed along with many other topics, either in channeled pieces or as a result of various questions put by members through Edi (and sometimes Fuzziwig) for the answers to be channeled.

Do not confuse 'aliens' with 'spirits' in the sense that you have been conditioned to understand  the word 'spirit' or 'entity', especially when we channel through our vehicles such as Mayatnik, Edi and Fuzziwig.  We do not just 'pop in' to their heads and mumble things.  They are highly trained to be accurate at all times.  It has been a 'fashionable' thing for many to want 'guides' but guides are not like 'a puppy for christmas', and certainly not some plaything or amusement-factor to be 'called' and 'dismissed' at will.  If you are 'ready' (the guides decide this) then you will start to experience those things that will lead you to get a better perception and in due course you will gain fluency in interaction.  Astral Projection is one way in which people are prepared by the guides, by introducing them to Astral experiences.  But, having a guide that you are conscious of invariably means communication via telepathy.  Initially, this contact is primarily for the person's inner-development.  How they react to this period will determine how they progress.  If they progress well, then it is possible that they may become (after many 'tests' by the guide and training for accuracy and ability to work well in that field, a Channeler or Emissary.  It would be counterproductive to information dissemination if the person was not 'ready' for each stage, and for channeling in particular there is a great responsibility and dedication required on the part of the person, and this is 'tested' for with various experiences given to the person along the way.

If you 'dabble' on an occasional basis with what you term the 'spirit world' – a very wide definition – then you are most likely, sadly, to reap the results of the confusion arising from your 'experiences' if you have not shed conditioning and do not have the right 'frame of mind'.  In particular, we would say that it is not common sense to go down dark alleyways in your cities because the encounters will often be dubious, and the same applies to many branches of the occult 'schools' and associated 'thinking' in which misinterpretation abounds.   But, this is a Free Will world and by your experiences you all learn in time in the richness of life's lessons.

You go on to say:
To be honest there aren't many ways i have found to be able to tell the difference unless you can catch them in a lie or giving data that is obviously false. And what you have to remember is that if you open yourself up to a spirit it will more than likely know your every thought, which in itself makes it harder to test it because it will know what you are thinking of.

This question of 'lies' is an interesting one, so I shall comment myself about this.  In my early training, I found that the guide did, on occasions tell 'lies'.  This was done for my own good, as I was to find out.  But, the fact that I had discovered what was being said did not accord to what I believed to be true had to be weighed against my preconditioning, and brought into question what exactly a 'lie' really was.  Clearly, if my perception told me that it was 'untrue' then I had to consider that it was my perception of 'truth'  Having to think hard in this way taught me many things that I otherwise would have missed – and that is part of the 'teaching strategy' of the guides, to sharpen our wits and develop our perception to higher levels.  Without such 'lies' there would only be 'information'.  And who could tell whether this information was in fact 'true'.  Truth is what we perceive it to be, and in dealing with higher realms we are dealing with the 'unknown' so have to build a new foundation of perception.  The guide will often start with really obvious 'lies', to '<test> us (yes, test us, not the other way round!  The object of this kind of 'exercise' is to actually increase the rapport – we would call it 'teasing' if a person did it and it was not malicious, and we would (or should) react appropriately by saying, "Come on now, you're sussed!" and the person or guide may continue for a while by saying, "But, don't you see, what I mean is....." and so the conversation continues.  The object of that extended-exercise is to practice 'engaging' in a converstion flow.  Very often a person needs to practice conversation skills in ordinary life to obtain the best results of interaction, and even more so in communicating by telepathy.  Also, it is a new environment, so even if a person is normally fluent in conversation then they may well be lacking in confidence with this new sphere of communication with a guide, so simply giving 'information' that seems to accord with one's present perception is not productive, and if it is information that is outside the person's perception then those questioning-skills need to be honed in preparation, because it is simply not sensible to just accept what a guide says on 'blind faith' and only by good interactive discussion with the guide will the 'truth' emerge after exploring the topic enough and enough often means many many questions.  There are other simple <tests> that the guide often does with the beginner to prod them into shape to progress well, but you can see from these few examples the benefits of so-called 'lies' which are really teaching-aids for the person to be trained by the guide to become proficient and also well-balanced in their attitude and perspective, as well as coureous; after all, you are being introduced, gradually, to a whole new dimension (and more) and – in the same way as you would be expected to behave in an appropriate manner with a person of a different race on Earth (something which humans in general still struggle with!) it is important to understand that there is such a thing as galactic etiquette and courtesy towards a guide (rather than 'commanding' some underling or slave) is the appropriate behaviour to cultivate.  The beginner will therefore sometimes find that a guide will have a perceived 'temper' or even rudeness – the idea being to cause you to react, but hopefully react in a calm and respectful way.  The point here is, that you should give and expect courtesy at all times under all conditions (remembering that in the higher realms many things will be different to on Earth).  So, when I was being trained, I responded to such perceived behaviour by a visiting entity by saying, "Excuse me.  If you want to talk, then lower your voice, stop acting in what is to me an offensive manner.  I am happy to talk, and we can discuss anything.  But you will get nowhere if you do not talk calmlhy.  So, go out of my head........ say 'Hello.  May I come in to talk?'  I will say, 'Come in' and we shall start again.  If you observe the etiquette – and you know very well what I mean, since you know all about me – then we can proceed.  Otherwise no conversation, and you will be wasting your time".   There are variations on that 'ploy' the guides have to teach the person how to be a good galactic Emisarry.  Several times I was put into 'situations' on the Astral Plane, where I had to work though something presented to me as a scenario.  I have written before about this in QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK in depth, if the reader wants to refer to that now old but extensive thread full of detailed information  which was started by Frank, a Moderator.

But, in all cases it must be understood that the guide is not there just to spoon feed the person with 'information'.  Each person has lesson in life to learn, and these are usually done by the guides unseen in the background presenting situations that people encounter, and when the encounter is instead with a guide (when they are fortunate to be ready for that opportunity) it is no different.    As a person proceeds through all the appropriate <tests> set by theor guide then the occasional teaching 'lies' and 'situation' scenarios decrease, and only 'truth' is given as information.  By that time, the person will be discussing everything with their guide and not accepting what is first given simply 'on a spoon' with open mouth (either in guilibility or in rejection retorts); the person can then be said to have been trained and accurate and be able to negotiate their way in any situation well.   As I have said many times, there is a lot to it, and assumptions do need 'testing' – but it is the guides who do the real <testing> to correct false assumptions along the way.  So, read all you can with common sense and intuition – and be careful how you react to the 'unknown', and you will be guided to go a long way with your progress!

In conclusion, you wrote:
Mayatnik & Edi (and anyone else with a guide) will your guides allow themselves to be tested or not? What is the answer?

I have tried to give you sufficient information above to put this into perspective, and I'm sure the other channelers will gladly contribute in their own way towards giving members a better understanding also.  I'm sorry if this has been long, but there were many factors to bring out that are relevant.  It has taken me a while to get this post up (a full day) because while writing it I was at the same time counseling several people on Messenger who had contacted me whilst writing it so it was a case of much multi-tasking between the counseling and the guides and this post.  But then, that is all part of the job of a channeler to be able to handle.  The only thing I can't do is speed up time, but here it is finally.  Hope it helps.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[McArthur]

Hello Mayatnik,
              thankyou for your lengthy response, i will have a more detailed response to you when i get time. But for now i want to ask your guides about the information that was given to zetatalk.com

According to the zetas the poleshift was to have happened last year but it obviously has not happened. Can you explain for me how the zetas could have got this information wrong?

And for the record i have no fear of spirits. What i do have is a concern that you are teaching people to open up on the Astral using the pendulum and inviting "spirits" to come and communicate without any safeguards in place.

edit: p.s. I will say that i am astounded at the way you are making excuses for the way your guides have lied to you in the past. This is one of the main ways to test a "spirit". I find it incredible that you think it is ok for a "guide" to lie to you because of the reasons given. Are you now going to teach that even if a "spirit" is found out to be lying it is still a good "spirit" and is only lying for reasons we probably do not know about?

And have you taught this before on these forums or only after reading what i posted about catching them lying?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Orcher
MaCarthur why are you so eager to 'test' the UNKNOWN before it is KNOWN?

Its not about testing the "unknown" it is about testing a spirit that claims to be your spirit guide. If a stranger came up to you in the street claiming to be your long lost cousin would you just accept that without asking questions and immediately invite them into your house?

quote:
Do you test every person you meet in your life when you try to make a friendship with it?
No. You don't.

Yes we do. Would you make friends with Saddam? When we meet people we automatically decide if we want their friendships by using our own judgement of what they are like. With spirits though it is different because there isnt as much to go on to decide what they are like as it would be meeting someone physically.

quote:
You first idea was to first ¡§test¡¨ the Guide before you 'low your shelter'.
So what make your ¡§3-6 month test¡¨ more secures, then that one 'Mach one' was using by starting to actually learn who his guide was?

So let's see now.
You meet or have some contact with a spirit which you doubt to be a good guy or bad guy. And advice us to make the test you mention above (3-6 months test).

So you ask the spirit to leave you alone for about 4 moths? And in case the spirit is evil, it will make some excuse to not leave you alone. As you wrote:
'If you demand to break contact they will lose their life-support system you are currently providing them and they will do everything in their power to convince you that breaking contact with them is somehow wrong or (include a reason/explanation here)'

And in earlier comment you said:

'Then you obviously do not know how these negative spirits work. They are VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans i assure you'.
By a very simple calculation we can actually rephrase your conception as following:

The evil spirit is so 'VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans' at the point that you will never be able to fool it with a such of test as asking it to leave you away for 4 months, because it will know that this is your simple test, and the only thing it need to do is leaving you alone and come back 4 months later. And tadaaam! Suddenly the dinner is ready! And in this case, the spirit is very sure that you will provide them the 'life-support system' as you cal it, for a great long time. Because it succeed the test, didn't it?

I did not say it was the "one and only test", i said it was the first test i would use. If it did go then it would rule out various things that it could be i.e. an attached astral shell. It is a case of elimination of possibilities.

quote:
Would they force you do bad things? Aren't you human enough to know what bad and good is? (Again this has nothing to do with how 'smart' you are)
For example: Do you really think that Edi or Fuzziwig will hurt someone so badly for no reason just because their guide has ordered them to do that? No they will not! The first thing they will do is to cross-examine their Guides for the reason they where ordered to. And of course there will be no any good reason to convince Edi or Fuzziwig to do that.

There are some people who are influenced by negs without even knowing it. But in this thread we are not talking about being told to do bad things by "guides". We are talking about testing these "beings" and the information they are providing.

quote:
If you noticed that your spirit demanding you or trying persuade you to unpleasant things. The only thing you need to do is to discontinue your friendship with it.

That is easier said than done my friend. Once you have opened yourself up to a spirit and then find out it isnt a good one then sure, you will want rid of it wont you? Do you think getting rid of an attached neg is as easy as telling it to go away?

quote:
It wasn't so hard, was it? You really don't need any energy Shield or any 'DBZ' Technique to defence your self with. And it doesn¡¦t mater how damn CLEVER they are, because the equation is simple. Be nice [], and they can't do anything to force your doing.

They can if they manage to possess you against your will. And there could also be other problems involved if it turns out to be a neg.

quote:
And as an extra cream on the cake, it is great enough to know that you are invulnerable and has your own will to make your own choice no matter what other say. (Yes even God, because it was his own rule to have the free will)

I too, once thought i was invulnerable. A few major psychic attacks made me realise otherwise.

quote:
You second opinion was 'avoid contacting spirits is in itself a very dangerous'.
What a shame! Do you really want to miss an opportunity like that? What if your Guide is a 'Good' spirit?

Of course you wont be missing an opportunity. You will have plenty of time to talk to spirits once you are dead.

quote:
last but not least, to mention those Zetas and Pleiadians. Why their do existents need to be proved so much? Why are you so eager to test them?

Because i want to know if what they say is true or not.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK

Mach One says:
What things do I need to do or keep in mind to progress toward readiness?
MAYA - back now says:
The first thing - most important - is to not try too hard..... and you really do try very hard.  It is actually much easier than you think.
Mach One says:
I do personally?
Mach One says:
I haven't really tried cuz I don't know what I'm doing lol
MAYA - back now says:
I know.  But you are searching.

The example above is where Mayatnik stated (probably through his guides) that Mach One was trying too hard. But Mach One replied that he wasnt even trying (which meant that Mayatnik or his guides got that completely wrong) and yet Mayatnik then sweeps the error aside by saying "I know" which is the opposite of what he said a few lines before and then leads on with saying "But you are searching".

These kind of techniques are used by fake psychics when doing a "cold reading" where they state something about someone and if it is wrong they then change their line of questioning.

[Nidhananda]

Hi McArthur

I felt that I should say something now that I have been quoted by you.

The meaning of the word "trying" could be taken as several ways.
Before I contacted Maya, I had tried maybe two or three channelings and remained unconvinced, because the responses came much too quick and too easy for me to take it that some outside force was actually speaking to me.

When I said "I haven't really done it because I don't know what I doing" or whatever, I thought that Maya was saying I was "trying" during my channelings. However, I now take it to mean that I was "trying" to contact my guides much too hard, when in fact it wasn't as difficult as I imagined. I'd been "searching"(hence, "I know. But you are searching.") on this board and all over the internet and other outside-of-the-internet(aka books) sources for something that could help me in my first steps toward channeling.

When Maya said at first that I was trying too hard, I did become suspicious, but when he said I was searching, it gave a new meaning to "trying" for me.

I hope this cleared up that point for you. Regarding everything else, of course, I find it a waste of my time to try convincing you that my 'guide' is a 'good' entity, partially because I'm still not believing it is anything more than myself giving myself answers, and partially because I have better things to do, like watch TV.

You are concerned about my welfare(right?), so I thank you for that. But don't bother.

If you are concerned about Maya training people and opening them up to  supernatural forces, then I can't say anything there, because I'm not Maya, so continue on with your postings/investigations.

Anyways, thank you to Maya, Edi, and anyone else who congratulated me.

[Arthelion]

Hi,
I was wandering - is it possible to learn telepathy or channeling by means of self-study? I think I'm quite prepared for this, I've heard some voices in my head, sometimes even meaningful, but I still can't get over the point when I don't know whether it's just my imagination or some real communication. This is the hardest part for me, I think. I don't fear the contact and I'm very open-minded to all this stuff. So, I beg someone from the "Holy Trinity of Channelers" [], could you please ask your guide whether I'm really ready to channel? And what would you advise me? Of course I give you the permission to ask your guides anything about me.

I also have one question for Edi. English is not your native language, nor is mine. Do you get only symbols during the channeling and then translate them to whatever language you want (and know []) or do you get whole words in that lang. right away?

Thank you in advance,
Arthelion

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Nidhananda

The meaning of the word "trying" could be taken as several ways.

Well, of course, you can do what you like [] but the whole conversation up to that point was about channeling and being "ready" to do channeling. I quote the part before the already quoted part;

quote:
Mach One says:
Has your guide told you anything about me?
MAYA - back now says:
No, except that you are receptive and that I can help you by talking about things that will aid you towards being 'ready'.
Mach One says:
Ok.
Mach One says:
What things do I need to do or keep in mind to progress toward readiness?
MAYA - back now says:
The first thing - most important - is to not try too hard..... and you really do try very hard. It is actually much easier than you think.

Maya is saying that Channeling "is much easier than you think", as in fact you are now saying yourself. Like i say you are entitled to do what is your will but i will still comment on these things for others who may be reading it and may see what i am trying to point out as innacuracies.

[MAYATNIK]

Arthelion,

In response to your post (I quote from it in green):

Hi,
I was wandering - is it possible to learn telepathy or channeling by means of self-study?

It is perfectly possible to acquire telepathic ability on you r own.  I did.  And it was instant.  I had no human teacher at all.

However, while it is extremely easy in principle and just requires the will to communicate, it is not possible to do effectively unless all conditioning is shed.   And in order to facilitate this and progress the person must be able to do it without doubt in their mind that they are indeed receiving telepathically to then become fluent and accurate in telepathic communication with a guide.

You go on to say:
I think I'm quite prepared for this, I've heard some voices in my head, sometimes even meaningful, but I still can't get over the point when I don't know whether it's just my imagination or some real communication. This is the hardest part for me, I think.

Telepathy is natural, all have the innate ability.  And children often have an 'invisible friend' who they talk to... that is, until an adult knocks it out of them: "Nonsense.  It's all in your imagination.  Don't let me hear you mention it again.  You'll show us up" or words to that effect.   So, the 'invisible friend' is forgotten, put to the furthest recesses of the mind and, mixed with what they become conditioned to later as they grow, the notion develops that it is somehow bad, something to conceal.  And for those who can't conceal it when it comes back they are often taken to the doctor by a sympathetic friend or family member, because by this time the 'guilt' feeling of having voices in their head that they have been told is abnormal has reduced them to a state of nerves and uncertainty.  Quite a number of those who visit the doctor are diagnosed schizophrenic because that's society's way of dealing with the 'unknown'; the rest are quietly put on tranquillizers to suppress both their nerves and any 'imaginative' thoughts and the tablets do their job effectively.  This is no exaggerated picture I paint.  As a therapist I have had many coming to me who's past reveals these as causes of many symptoms of societal-malaise – and all due to  conditioning being enforced.   I am not saying that true schizophrenia does not exist; it does.  But, it is extremely rare and the symptoms are quite different from what is often diagnosed as such, and doctors spend too little time with the patient to find out.  It is interesting to note, that in private psychiatry the 'treatment' is not an instant diagnosis of this, but a careful examination of the overall situation which most often reveals the truth of the matter.  So, it is society that is sick, not the individual.   And shedding preconceptions that are endemic is not easy when they jump out at the person from every direction.  Even in the esoteric where the person flees to in order to find a like-mind, if they recognize that conditioning, lurks the spectre of ingrained misperceptions to do with the 'spirit' world and they have no sooner started on their quest when any number of do-gooders will scream "Be careful.  You can be deceived by voices in your head, and they might tell you to go and do something bad".  Now, where have we heard that before?  And originally, it is the very thing that the medical profession seeks to "protect society from" when they diagnose a person with schizophrenia, since they are claimed to be "a danger to themselves and to others".   So, if you really really want to embark on a course of self-study be aware of this – because that is the first thing you have to shed in your conditioning.

As for the 'doubt' as to whether it is voices in your head (apparently schizophrenia!) or telepathy, it is interesting to note the type of comment you may get if you mention to some who are 'enlightened' as opposed to those who aren't.
"You're a channeler?  Oh, how lovely" I have actually heard dear old ladies say.  If I had said I hear voices in my head they would run a mile.  So, make up your mind, which it is to be.  Because the future of your efforts depends on it.  And if there is doubt then you cannot say that you are channeling anything, since you haven't even got off first base.

Ok, so you're hearing these 'voices'.  And for those who want to try and haven't got to that stage yet, then as I said at the start – it is very easy to do.  There is no 'method' involved, and all you have to do is just ask a question with the suredness that there is someone there (since otherwise you really would be talking to yourself)..... and immediately you will hear a response.  If you don't quite catch it, then simply repeat the question, or ask them to repeat what they said.  That's what you would do in an ordinary conversation, and this is no different; you are communicating, so get on with it.  Make it a conversation.  Don't stop to think or analyse with your rational mind because the 'logic' side of your brain is the opposite side to the 'intuitive' and it will quickly take over to impose its conditioned view of 'normality' since the logic side is for dealing with the known world – talking, hearing, human conversation.  So, the result is a denial of what is actually happening... that communication with the 'unknown' but very real that lies in the realm of the intuitive perception.  In this way you then start to exercise your 'psychic' senses.

Once you have got to this stage all should be plain sailing.  But, there is more conditioning ahead that can get in the way – and which will do, unless shed.  Conditioning is like a door that is shut to what lies beyond present perception.  Fear keeps the door shut, society's education system makes the hinges very difficult to move.  So, you need to oil them with common sense and intuition.  Then, provided that you have shed your fear of the 'unknown' you can open the door and walk through into a new world where perception will grow as you interact with it.   It is really no different from interacting in your present world.  You encounter people you have never met, situations that are unfamiliar.  Do you treat all as hostile, or even potentially so?  Common sense says be careful, but you don't go out into the street with bullet proof vest and armed to the teeth 'just in case'.  Well, if you do, then you are likely to be mixing with those who supply those things and who will have already issued you with dire warnings of what lurks around every corner because theirs is the business of paranoia... in which case when you emerge into your 'unknown' you are already filled with trepidation and are likely to shoot anything on sight.  If this is what can happen in human society it gets extended into your exploration of the Higher Realms.  If you presuppose that it is a mirror image of your present reality then you cannot ascribe higher wisdom to those realms, and you are simply carrying over preconditioning.  It is also interesting to note here, that there are a set of people who invariably seem to attract what are called 'negs' and a set that can explore freely with no problems at all.  There is a grey area from  where people will eventually gravitate, if they remain curious, to one perspective or another depending on what they do with their conditioning and how they apply common sense and intuition.  For some, intuition is that 'fearful feeling' that echoes their preconditioning rather than arising from openness.  So, take off the spectacles of 'colouration' if you want to see clearly, otherwise you will see only the spectre of your own mind's misperceptions.

The mext hurdle comes when you start to interact with the guide.  The object of being telepathic is to communicate with the guide, and you won't get very far with just the occasional question and an answer.   That applies in everyday conversations too – and in relationship counseling I have many that come to me with that very problem, that they have been together for years, and and their sporadic communication has left them still not understanding each other.  You cannot understand unless you talk, and the more you ask the more you will find out.  And that's how it is with the guides.   So, ask about everything.  Whatever the topic, don't just accept the first thing the guide says, or even an answer to the second question about that subject under discussion (well, it would be a discussion if it was ongoing, so make it into a real conversation and let it flow).

A considerable number of members contact me (mostly these are from the 'silent majority' who never or rarely post.  About a third of them have never read more than a couple of my posts at most, and a further third have read every single one.  But, most of those who contact me asking for advice  come out with the same thing – they don't know what questions to ask to get a conversation going (this applies to the use of the Pendulum as well as with Telepathy).  And virtually all of them have difficulty with 'follow up' questions to pursue a line of questioning.  The ability to do this is crucial, and must be practiced dilligently if you are going to get anywhere at all.  The alternative is accepting the first answer that is given – and that, clearly, is not sensible.  Firstly, if you accept the answer then it can only be on the basis of 'blind belief'.  If you reject it, then you are denying its possibility to teach you anything.  The more outlandish the answer, then obviously the more reason to ask further (unless you are being negative and mistrust what you are hearing, in which case why bother).  Even if the answer seems to accord with your perception, then it is still an opportunity to learn more.  Let me give a couple of analogies here to a phone call to someone you have only recently been introduced to (and telepathy is rather like having a mobile-phone connection in your head).  The caller tells you that they are in a place where it is warm and sunny.  You respond, "Sounds nice" and wait for the person to tell you more.  But, they don't (and neither will the guide, because the guide will be trying to train you to have a better rapport when you are starting off especially).  So, you could ask... Is it always warm there?   Have you been there long?  Do people get sunstroke?  Is there water there?  Do you wear many clothes.... We could go on for a very long time asking more, and in so doing build up a 'picture'.  The more you ask the bigger the perspective you have, and the more easily you can then arrive at a foundation for a higher perception.  If the person on the other end of the phone was to say, "There's a crocodile in the water here where people are swimming" then that outlandish statement should prompt you in everyday life to react with many questions about that 'unknown' situation that has just been mentioned.  In dealing with the Higher Realms it should be no different, even exciting to explore.  You are talking with a Being that comes from a totally different environment, so much can be expected to be different... as well as the higher perception that can be assumed in all common sense.  So, there is your chance to learn.  It is not about swallowing a story, but about a paper-chase of clues in each answer that adds to your knowledge about this 'unknown'.  And if you are talking about the world you know, then bear in mind that the Being you are communicating with will inevitably have a different perspective in the same way that a person in a free country of the world will still have a different perception to a person in a restricted environment.  This Earth is a a kindergarten for exploration while we, as infants in the galaxy, learned first to toddle and then to walk.  Only now are we able to get to the playroom door to progress down the corridor to where the adults, the Higher Beings Of Light, are waiting to welcome us as growing members of Family Of Light.  Think, in terms of this, and you will realize that beyond that door lies much that is unfamiliar and beyond the confines of the house and garden which we are now exploring in those first steps that should be confident in the safety of  protective guidance lies the street and a world beyond our comprehension.   You had fears in the playroom that were only manifestations of the shadows, and your parents knew this although you didn't and were confused.   Leave that fear behind, those of you who have stepped through the door.  Others will follow when they are ready, but for you there is the opportunity to learn to understand what it is really all about as you interact with your parents, under their loving guidance.  If your brothers and sisters call you back, then show them with love and compassion that you are ready, so that they too may not fear for you.   We are all children of the stars, all one Family, and each in time will walk through that door of exploration to find out.... that they, the 'aliens' or 'guides' whatever you call them now, are not what Man peeping fearfully into the shadows of his own misconceptions perceives.  They watch over us while we are down here on Earth for our 'lessons of life', and when we are up there and they incarnate we do the same.  Life is for experiencing, and so we come down forgetting who we really are.  The journey is to rediscover, with the learning of Love and Compassion along the way.   Outlandish?  Don't take my word for it.  Ask the guides, via the Pendulum or through Telepathy.  And keep on asking.  That's the only way you're going to get to know.  Unless you accept the first thing that is said, which would just be 'blind belief' and we should have grown beyond that now.

Religion is about 'blind belief'.  But it is Man who made it so, by dogma, 'set in stone' notions.  To evolve means to set aside those things that people cling so tightly to in their <comfort zone>.  Because the Church puts a meaning onto Biblical words they are then intransmutable, under fear of Hell and Damnation if one iota be changed.   When Jesus said, "Suffer little children to come to me" he did not mean that literally, but it was taken to mean that children from the earliest age should be indoctrinated with the religion the parents were indoctrinated to, perpetuum ad nauseum.  See it differently.  How about, "Let people come to understand with the wide open eyes of a child for new knowledge" and you will begin to see other things that suddenly hold a spark of new Light in your perception.   Jesus also said about the rich – that they would find it harder to get into 'Heaven' than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.   He was very good on metaphors, because he didn't want people to take him literally.  You can be rich and get there, but think of the conditioning that would have to be shed along the way, as well as much of those 'riches' of the world.  Because, your worldly friends would often shun and ridicule you on your journey as you step away from that <comfort zone> of habituation.  The same applies to education, the riches of 'Earthly Knowledge' that seem to glitter like gold but are very often tarnished with the handlings of those who rewrote history to their own ends.   It has been proven, time and time again, that the 'educated' find it much harder to change than the 'poorly enducated', the common man – beause the common man has much less conditioning to shed, and therefore can more easily use what he was born with; common sense and intuition.  And that is all that is needed.

All the above I have channeled after discussing with my Pleiadian guide, Karek, on her instructions, in response to your post.

You say finally:
I don't fear the contact and I'm very open-minded to all this stuff. So, I beg someone from the "Holy Trinity of Channelers"  , could you please ask your guide whether I'm really ready to channel? And what would you advise me? Of course I give you the permission to ask your guides anything about me.

I also have one question for Edi. English is not your native language, nor is mine. Do you get only symbols during the channeling and then translate them to whatever language you want (and know  ) or do you get whole words in that lang. right away?

I will let Edi respond to the above quote, and he said he would be very happy to, and add more from his guide, when I asked him if he'd like to follow on from this post.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[Edi]

So here I follow on

"I don't fear the contact and I'm very open-minded to all this stuff. So, I beg someone from the "Holy Trinity of Channelers" , could you please ask your guide whether I'm really ready to channel? And what would you advise me? Of course I give you the permission to ask your guides anything about me."

I don't have to ask my guide anything about you, because your attitude is visible by your words. You seem to be curious and able to explore things in a calm way, with caution and respect. Caution is well needed when dealing with the unknown. You would build on what you already know in order to fit new things into the picture, without being too gullible to swallow anything you encounter. At the same time, you have to be so open-minded that you can review and eventually discard old ideas that are no longer appropriate. Having an open mind furthermore means taking all possibilties into consideration and not ruling out anything in advance. This is absolutely necessary in the course of becoming a channeler. Only if you are ready to accept the words as they come, you will be able to freely communicate in an unconditioned way about just anything. What you hear is what you hear, and that's it.

Another important thing is the way you talk to a guide, and how you word your questions. Questioning is essential, because only by active interest is it possible to explore the universe. If you want to know something, ask, and if it's not clear, ask more. And even if you think you clearly understand it, ask more to put it in further relation to what you know, because you could always miss a thing. In this way, you will see more and more how things are connected to each other and how it makes sense after all.

Clear answers need clear questions. So you would rather not ask a question with many ORs and ANDs in it, this is confusing. Avoid ambiguity. Focus on one thing; explore it from various angles with short and simple questions until there remains no more doubt about what is meant.

During all conversations, be it with a guide or with a human at your side, it is wise to review what was already said from time to time in order to have common ground for further discussion.

To answer your question whether you're 'ready' to channel: you are 'ready' to begin the journey and to explore a new, greater world. What was written in this thread can be kind of a guideline, to give you some inspiration. But you have also seen that it not just 'happens', but rather it needs a lot of involvement and dedication from your side.

"I also have one question for Edi. English is not your native language, nor is mine. Do you get only symbols during the channeling and then translate them to whatever language you want (and know ) or do you get whole words in that lang. right away?"

My guide Perena wishes to explain this; so I will channel her directly now. Up until now, this post was simply my own words, with a gentle nudge from time to time by my guide, when she noticed me that I should use a different word or explain something more clearly; we're working together like that when I'm writing posts. But well, let's see what Perena says about the process of telepathy:

"Telepathy comes in in various forms. The general, easy process is that the guide sends some certain symbol that resonates with you in order to produce the required word, feeling or image in your mind. This is symbolic telepathy. You don't need to know anything about 'symbols', because it happens automatically. Imagine it like this: when I want to say something to Edi, my thoughts are sent in little packets to Edi's mind. There, the mind unpacks them and seeks the closest correlation with words (or other symbols) that represent what has been sent. This is, at the beginning, a bit 'vague', but during but a short time of interaction and communication, this gets more finely tuned, and the channeler can learn to respond to very subtle tones in telepathic messages.

This is seen in the same way with the pendulum. At first, you get a rough YES or NO. It is clear what is meant, but there is more to it. Along with this simple answer, there comes something like "yes, exactly", or "yes, but that's no all" or "yes, but this is not what is important now", or a joking "yes" that actually means "no" (in a humourous way). So you see: in all these cases, the answer is "yes", but the meanings are different. This is how various subtones can be important for the understanding of a sentence or even a single word, and this is why it is important to ask many questions to further clarify things.

This symbolic telepathy is also used when Edi or any other channeler writes down my words quickly and directly. He then just hears the constant flow of my words as they come into his mind and get automatically translated into words. I know what I must 'send' to Edi in order to reach certain words or certain expressions and he listens more and more closely to that as he gains more experience. Another things that needs to be considered here is that even though the channeler has to be focussed on what he hears, he also must be able to take quick jumps in conversation. This is open-mindedness. In this way, I can pretty easily talk on about the issues we are already talking about at the moment, but I can also jump in with something new, because the channeler is open and receptive to be able to take such 'jumps' in conversation.

So I can talk now about DNA. Yes, the symbols are (partly) stored in your DNA. It is like a piano, or like any instrument, where there are a lot of possible tones to be played with many subtle variations. I know the tune I want to play, and Edi or any channeler has to offer the necessary resonance. I decide upon a word to send him. It is 'dog'. I send a telepathic message that represents this, and Edi easily translates this back into the word 'dog', automatically this word appears in his head when I send it. Dog. Now imagine a more complex situation: I would like to send "a tiny sweet cat that has her eyes closed, yawning because she is tired." Edi hears: Cat. But if he listens more closely, there is a lot of subtlety to this word 'cat' and he can then ask "how old is she? what about her eyes? is she tired?", because he intuitively picks up that there is more than just a cat. In this way I can in advance direct the conversation into the direction I would like to in order to efficiently come to what I want to say.

To answer your question about the language: the formulation of words is done by the channeler. He gets an idea or word or a sentence and decides himself in which language he would wish to express it. This is similar to you having an idea that is not of telepathical origin - there is the concept of a 'dog' in your mind, for example, and you can express it in any language you wish. So what I send telepathically is not the 3 letters 'dog', but the kind of information that triggers the concept of a dog in Edi's mind, and when this concept or idea is there, it is (automatically) expressed into words by the mind. So any channeler can channel in the language he wishes to. This is seamless with some practice and done without thinking about the process. How it works is not so important as the fact that it works.

To add a few words about the other kind of telepathy: there is also 'literal' telepathy, where you get sounds, images or similar things directly, not in a symbolic way. This is more difficult and needs practice for most people. Edi is not very good at it yet, but this can always be improved. When this is mastered, you can 'speak in tongues' and can effectively channel in any existing language, no matter if you speak it or not. Then, very detailed sounds or images or letter combinations are made to appear in the mind, carefully constructed. This is different from the other kind of telepathy, but it all works with the same principles that I won't go into detail here.

What is important here: symbolic telepathy is easy, but you might always miss the 'depth' of what has been said, so it is important to dig deeper by questions.

And another thing to mention at the end: all this makes perfect sense for Edi who channeled it, because it used his symbols and his interpretation and his language. Others might be missing some part that would be necessary for correct understanding, but was implicitely there for the channeler of course. So in this case interaction between humans would be necessary in order to make things clear after some talking.

This has been longer now than Edi expected, but I liked to illustrate some points, and as he wanted to write before (but he didn't): the unknown can always be surprising."


That's it. Edited to insert some paragraphs, in order to make it readable (thanks for the hint Fuzzi). Good night now, I'll get some sleep

Edi

[James S]

Thought I'd chime in here, being one of the members who contacts Mayatnik - one of the silent majority who rarely or never posts (yeah RIGHT!)[]

There was one thing in particular mentioned that I just thought I'd provide a bit of 'corroborating' info on -

quote:Hi,
I was wandering - is it possible to learn telepathy or channeling by means of self-study?

It is perfectly possible to acquire telepathic ability on you r own. I did. And it was instant. I had no human teacher at all.

However, while it is extremely easy in principle and just requires the will to communicate, it is not possible to do effectively unless all conditioning is shed. And in order to facilitate this and progress the person must be able to do it without doubt in their mind that they are indeed receiving telepathically to then become fluent and accurate in telepathic communication with a guide.

I discovered this telepathic communication myself with no human intervention.
I'd just gone through putting into practice suggestions made by Robert Bruce in his Catch Basket Concept - http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_44.htm

What this process does is effectively strips away all of your belief conditioning and preconceived ideas, back to what are undeniable proven experiences you've had and nothing more. If at this stage you then call out with your mind to the higher realms, with clear intent to contact one of the higher beings (as opposed to just any old spirit) there is a very good chance you will be answered by a higher being. Either they will come to guide you, or help you find your true guide.

It is important that the the 'heresay' beliefs - that is, things that you have been told but not experienced as true for yourself, are removed from your mind.

Regards,
James.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK

Telepathy is natural, all have the innate ability.  And children often have an 'invisible friend' who they talk to... that is, until an adult knocks it out of them: "Nonsense.  It's all in your imagination.  Don't let me hear you mention it again.  You'll show us up" or words to that effect.   So, the 'invisible friend' is forgotten, put to the furthest recesses of the mind and, mixed with what they become conditioned to later as they grow, the notion develops that it is somehow bad, something to conceal.

Hello Mayatnik & Guide,
                        are you saying then that children should be encouraged to make contact with these "invisible friends"? This seems to be what you are saying.

In the interest of giving a differing view of how contact with "invisible friends" can be dangerous i will post a link to one of Robert Bruces' Experiences regarding this. As you probably may know if you have read his PPSD book, Robert has worked with children having psychic disturbences for quite some time and has a lot of experience in this area. The article linked is what led him to have a full blown possession experience which he describes in his book.

Please also note that Robert says this in the introduction;

"Please  keep in mind that this type of event is highly unusual  --
even  for the astral.  It is due to the nature of some of my  work
and  research, i.e., exorcism, psychic self defence  etc,  that  I
sometimes  get  into hot water and come into direct  contact  with
dark  entities.  The astral is usually a very happy, peaceful  and
interesting place to be.  I do not mean to intimate, in  any  way,
by  this  story, that it is full of bloodthirsty, howling  demons.
It  is  not.   But, this does not mean that dark entities  do  not
exist,  they do.  Dark entities are just not that common  and  are
usually  very  shy creatures. They generally take great  pains  to
hide their unsavoury activities from the living.

Why?  For two main reasons:  A human being, consciously projecting
into  the astral has great power, whether the projector knows  how
to  use  it or not.  Dark entities are aware of this latent  power
and   are  naturally  afraid.   They  also  seem  to  want   their
involvement  in the physical dimension kept a secret, for  obvious
reasons."

http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/New-Files/980331/astralKnights.txt

(HTML version here: http://hem.passagen.se/witchy/Dai/upplrobknights.htm )

Robert also says a bit more about it here;
http://astralresearch.com/posts/posts/12419105.html

I would be interested in what Mayatnik or the Zetas have to say regarding this type of experience and whether they still think children should be encouraged to have 'invisible friends'.

I would also like your opinion of the description Robert gives of the "symbiotic parasites" and how similar the description is to certain "aliens".

LVX

McArthur

[Edi]

quote:Originally posted by McArthur

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK

Telepathy is natural, all have the innate ability.  And children often have an 'invisible friend' who they talk to... that is, until an adult knocks it out of them: "Nonsense.  It's all in your imagination.  Don't let me hear you mention it again.  You'll show us up" or words to that effect.   So, the 'invisible friend' is forgotten, put to the furthest recesses of the mind and, mixed with what they become conditioned to later as they grow, the notion develops that it is somehow bad, something to conceal.

Hello Mayatnik & Guide,
                        are you saying then that children should be encouraged to make contact with these "invisible friends"? This seems to be what you are saying.

I don't think this is what Mayatnik said and meant; I would see it in this way: any possible problems that could arise from such 'invisible friends' can only be dealt with properly if it's possible to talk openly about such things and if the parents try to understand what the child percieves. It is necessary that a child can trust his parents, that everything can be talked about. So from this point of view, it is not about encouraging children to 'contact invisible friends', but about having an open-minded understanding about such things in society in general. This open-mindedness dictates a big part of how the family can deal with such things, NOT concealing things behind fear and conditioning, but trying to understand and help the child.

More later

Kind regards,
 Edi

[Arthelion]

I thank you very much, both Mayatnik and Edi. The information you provide is really invaluable. The article by Robert Bruce suggested by James is also very good. However I didn't find much I hadn't already known. I had also completely changed my belief system about 9 months ago and read tons of books regarding all this stuff. Now I feel somewhat "oversaturated" with information - even in these forums I rarely find something new and even when I read the Zeta channelings I somehow feel from my heart that it's something I had already known, as if it had been stored inside ever since and now I only break the barrier between the conscious and probably the subconscious (I hope you get the point, my English is still clumsy). And I feel that now is the time to put all this knowledge into use. Of course it has already changed my life considerably, but you can read gigabytes of books about unconditioned love and when it comes to the real life, you are the same annoying, hateful person you had been [8D].

Edi: Your article is quite comprehensible, I understand it. However you say

quote:So any channeler can channel in the language he wishes to.

So I don't have to know the language? For example if I wished to channel in Spanish, would I automatically translate the symbols into Spanish? (I don't know a word of Spanish).
PS: I know you didn't mean it that way []

Mayatnik: I know exactly what people call shizophrenia. When I was on holiday in summer, my cousin asked me why I needed internet even on vacation. I told her with humour: "There are people who claim they channel aliens." (With humour, because I can't imagine the consequences if I told it seriously). She replied: "Yeah, there are many insane people who talk to themselves or into the air. I know them very well. You'd better stop reading it before you get mad too." She studies medicine and worked voluntarily in some mental home. And imagine this person treating these "schizophrenics". I think she would be the one who would make them really mad.
But I would like to ask something: What do really these pills against "schizophrenia" do? Do you loose the ability to comunicate telepathically or is it just some stupefying drug? And also about that imagination vs. real communication: How do you tell the difference between them? Do you hear them from different parts of the brain, or is it just about the feeling of the answer? I know most people state it was their imagination when they hear voices in their heads. That's not my case, but for example, when I ask a simple yes/no question, I get yes. I ask the same question again, I get no. I ask it several times and I get several yes a several nos, so some of them have to be imagined and the others are channeled. So how can I tell the difference?
PS: When I first read your reply at about 14:30 Greenwich time, I just said: "Could you send my thanks to Mayatnik?" because I didn't have time to reply immediately.
I got "Of course" in my head. Did you really recieve it?

Love in heart,
Arthelion


Edited some grammar

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Edi

I don't think this is what Mayatnik said and meant; I would see it in this way: any possible problems that could arise from such 'invisible friends' can only be dealt with properly if it's possible to talk openly about such things and if the parents try to understand what the child percieves. It is necessary that a child can trust his parents, that everything can be talked about. So from this point of view, it is not about encouraging children to 'contact invisible friends', but about having an open-minded understanding about such things in society in general. This open-mindedness dictates a big part of how the family can deal with such things, NOT concealing things behind fear and conditioning, but trying to understand and help the child.

I agree about being open-minded and im sure a large majority of parents are (unless you or Mayantick know otherwise). But that wasn't the entire impression i got from what he was saying. He and his guide say that Telepathy is a natural ability (and i don't necessarily disagee with that) and gave an example of how children possibly have this ability by referring to "invisible friends" that they talk to. He then went on to express (as i think you are also saying in a sense) that this natural ability is 'dampened' due to the conditioning by parents.

My question still stands to Mayatnik and his guide though if they think children should be encouraged to talk to these "invisible friends" via their supposed telepathic ability. If this is not what he meant then i'm sure he will speak for himself, but i would still like to know his answer to my question.

The reason i ask is because he seems to disagree with the way some parents "knock it out of them" (i.e. the Telepathic ability to communicate with 'invisible friends'). If he does disagree then the other option would be to not "knock it out of them" which was the impression i got from his words.

It must be stated, of course, that just because a child has an "invisible friend" doesn't necessarily mean there is anything there but their own imagination.

[James S]

An Ebook that Robert Bruce recommended some time ago: The Path, A Practical Guide to Sourcery by Esmeralda Arana, mentiones fairly early in the book that when we are born we have a natural ability to 'tune in' to different realities.

As we grow, society, usually via our parents who wish for us to be seen as 'normal', will tend to mould our thoughts towards these other realms and beings that we can see from time to time, and tell us it's all just fantasy, and we need to focus on the real world. As a result our 'tuning dial' ends up getting stuck, and it's not until we learn to readjust the mind through forms of AP that we regain the ability.

Arthelion,
What you mentioned about feeling like the answers are already in us is in my opinion so very true![]
My guide is helping me to find these answers, teaching me where to look and how to access this information that, like you, I feel has been inside of me all the time.

I think this might be the better establishment of the connection to our higher self.

Kind regards,
James.

[chill]

I predict that Mayatnik will post something here soon [^]