Magicians and Falun Gong

[distant bell]

Hi!
I know Falun Gong, and have read the books.. but left the groop
again pretty fastly when I realised that they where extremly fundamental,
it really is a sekt..

Some of the things Hogzhi write seem logicall and some are just
buddhist cliché... and pretty stupid.

Hm.. if mr Copperfiel is a magickan?
Well, he once said,
- Illusionists get big hollywood cheks, and magickans get burnt alive..
...or soemthing like that..

That made me think that he might actually be a real magickan- but
that would no mean that all he dose is magick- most of it probably
is illusionism anyway.


-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

[astralc]

ninthplanet

I have a friend who is into Falun Gong, she really believes in it. But I am not so sure myself, people believe some pretty stupid things. As for David Copperfield, he is an illusionist for sure, but to think that he really walked through the Wall of China, walked on the Dead Sea or brought the living back to life might just be stretching the imagination somewhat.

When someone in a position of authority makes a statement it soon enters the world as 'fact', people believe because they don't want to be rejected. Human beings are social creatures and we seek acceptance and belonging, maybe Falun Gong supporters just say they believe so that they don't get rejected?

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

[kakkarot]

well, i don't know about you, but i find it REALLY EASY to bring the "living back to life", astral c.  

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

[astralc]

kakkarot

I do believe that you just might be able to do that my friend!

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

[ninthplanet]

I'd have to agree with you astralc.  At first, I was quite intrigued at the claim, because I never thought that a magician was actually performing the illusions, but after I stopped following Falun Gong, I became a little more realistic, however I am still a firm believer that such amazing acts can be done, but not by televised entertainers.  The claim about magicians was quite disapointing.  I was very interested in Falun Gong because I thought it was a very effective way of life and spirituality, however their idea that if one does not follow Falun Gong they will not progress spiritually, sort of led me away.  

Nonetheless, I have read on this forum that Falun Gong  is preferred by certain practicioners to raise their energy high enough to aid in their projections, so I must conclude that its techniques are effective, yet their teachings are somewhat off.  Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion, and nothing else.  

"Luck to all of those who are making their own paths"

-ninthplanet

[astralc]

ninthplanet

yeah, I guess that the bottom line is just how much integrity and credibility they have with the rest of the world. If they preach that their path is the only path, then they are no different to many religious cults. It is dangerous to listen with 'unprotected' ears, a good strong dose of skepticism and doubt is necessary in this 'new age', the 'naive age' I call it.

8 years at university shot my belief systems to pieces, and I had to rebuild from my own personal experiences. If I experienced it myself then I believed it, otherwise it goes on the shelf until proven.

So now I ask, "What is in it for them to make such claims?" then I sit down and ponder. So much bull sh_t is flying out there that one can cop a piece in the face if one is not too careful. Good luck with dodging the flying crap.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

[ninthplanet]

AstralC

I appreciate the warning for I am just beginning to see the chaos out there.  But I believe if I use my intuition I can dodge through a lot of the crap.  

Anyways, off the topic I was just curious since you are from Australia, why are there so many members from Australia on this forum.  Would you say that the country is more liberal than the others, and/or is new age thinking more encouraged than other places.  

Ninthplanet

[steveb]

Greetings all,

[astralc wrote]:

quote: So now I ask, "What is in it for them to make such claims?" then I sit down and ponder. So much bull sh_t is flying out there that one can cop a piece in the face if one is not too careful. Good luck with dodging the flying crap

          I can tell of a story of one person who was in it for money/showman ship. When I became interested in the astral ect I recieved a message from my family that an uncle wished to speak to me,,that he was worried. I found it strange becuase of the type of person he is, not religious and no apparent intrest in things of a metaphysical nature.
           I haven't spoke him as yet, He stated the basic's of his concerns but did not want to go into any further on the phone. Bill (my uncle) worked in field of micro electronics involving communications.
           One of Bill's clients was a gentleman who had different degree's of phycic skills. This person was very popular and travelled around playing to packed venues. The type of venue where they walk into the audience and look at an object, usually a watch or photo and then telapathically relay the image to the blind folded assistant on stage. Unfortuantly this person lacked psycic skills in regards to telepathy and this is were my uncle Bill comes in.
              Bill supplied this person with several electronic devices over the years. The telepathy thing, tranmitters hidden on the body with wires running down to the big toe, hybrid morse code signals were sent.
             Well over the years the ( lets say clairvoyant) introduced Bill to things of a real meta physical nature, then one day the clairvoyant stopped comming.
About 10 mths went by and the clairvoyant turned up.Hhe had changed so much that Bill and his partner hardly reconized him, he had lost wieght, his hair apparently had turned completely white and he looked sickly. He did not stay, he just walked in, looked at them and siad, "do not misuse any powers you gain, there is a law and you will pay the penalty, I cant exlpian any further", and then he walked out, Bill has never seen, or heard from him ever since.
              Now this person did have gifts, they were demonstrated to  Bill and his partner in bussiness without any electronic gismos. All my uncle would say is that he delved into areas (the dark side, as he put it) that shoudn't be ventured and that he wanted make sure I was travelling the correct path.
              I do know that my uncle is an intellegent methodical man, I haven't had the oppurtunity to discuss it in person with him as yet. He wont discuss it over the phone and  it has to be in person.?
              Well there ya go, thats the story, if you didn't know how they do the telepathy thing, now you know one of the methods.



Regards  steve            

[astralc]

ninthplanet

I think that there are so many members from Australia on the forum because Robert is Aussie, and yes, I believe that we are also very open to spiritual things.

Unlike America were we not founded by a religious order like the Puritans, we were not the long sought mecca for all the refugees in Europe who travelled to America to escape religious persecution in their own countries. We don't have 'bible belts' or religious leaders on street corners. We don't have the 'Hour of Power' TV shows, evangelists or Jimmy Swaggart.

Our Australian forefathers were convicts, prisoners, and as such they may have felt betrayed by their religion, the Christian God didn't save them from 14 years imprisonment on a wild unknown island 10 000 miles from their loved ones. So I suppose we are pretty skeptical of religion down here.

Steveb

your story sounds pretty interesting, are you curious what else he has to say? Your uncle must have had some interesting experiences himself, I just hope he doesn't try to convince you to avoid what you are doing, that would stress the friendship somewhat. Good luck with him.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

[ninthplanet]

Steve B

I found your story very interesting as well, and quite odd.  It's funny that you mention such a story because in the Falun Gong books that I read, Li Hongzhi talks about the mystical powers one can possess, however when one misuses those powers for on reason or another, bad things do happen.  I think your story is a prime example.  Thank you for sharing that story and I encourage you to speak with your uncle again.


AstralC

I think your reasoning has much value behind it.  It is very true of America's obsession with organized religion, I must say it is quite disturbing, especially because I live in the Bible belt states.  It just seems that people will not take just a second to step back and really analyze what they are following.  Many say their open minded, but when I introduce just the basics of New Age beliefs they just retreat back to their little shell of Christianity and what not.  I do not know how the world will ever grow spiritually if we remain to shut ourselves in because we prefer the comfort.  Quite sad.  That's why I just want to take the time and thank everyone on this forum who is searching for their own truth no matter how frustrating that search is.

-ninthplanet

[steveb]

Greetings all,

[ninthplant, astrac], I am very keen to hear from him, his been travelling around the top end of Australia in a motorhome for quite some time and only returned recently. I'll repost later if appropiate.

Regards  Steve

[astralc]

ninthplanet

it is people like yourself who make the difference, you are congratulated for your courage to question the orthodox beliefs of your community, good luck.

steveb

I dream of wondering the top end in a motor home, half his luck!

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

[ninthplanet]

Several months back I became interested in Falun Gong because I was searching for energy cultivating techniques.  After several beginner sessions, I began to feel it wasn't for me.  However, before I made my decision I had read a good deal about it and came across something that deeply interested me.  In one of the major books Li Honghzi claimed that magicians such as David Copperfield were advanced in energy cultivation and that the illusions he performed, such as walking through the Berlin Wall, were actually real, that he actually walked through the wall, no tricks involved.  I was just curious about anybody else's take on this whether they are or are not familiar with Falun Gong.

Also, one more thing.  I was just curious as to whether anybody on this forum has telekinetic powers, without using the art of projection.

"It doesn't matter if you fall, it does matter whether or not you get back up."

-Ninthplanet