Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Mozia on March 22, 2002, 05:04:21
Post by: Mozia on March 22, 2002, 05:04:21
Well, Daniel as far as my knowledge goes on the spelling it was introduced to destinguish the illusionists ( people doing magic tricks with slight of hand etc. ) and the spiritual form. Magick itself is a name to a very broad range of diciplines and practices, from energy work to runes to thelema etc.
Merry meet and merry part
Mozia
Merry meet and merry part
Mozia
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Mobius on March 22, 2002, 05:09:24
Post by: Mobius on March 22, 2002, 05:09:24
G,day Daniel, I,m pretty sure the spelling of "Magick" came from
Alister Crowley & his messing around with many various magics,
like Enochian,the nine,Clairvoyancy & Ouiji board channeling & so changed his particular brand to "Magick" so it stood out,I have 2 of his,the book of law & the book of magick.But then again he could have borrowed the term off someone earlier.
As soon as I see that spelling it reminds me of Alister Magick.
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Alister Crowley & his messing around with many various magics,
like Enochian,the nine,Clairvoyancy & Ouiji board channeling & so changed his particular brand to "Magick" so it stood out,I have 2 of his,the book of law & the book of magick.But then again he could have borrowed the term off someone earlier.
As soon as I see that spelling it reminds me of Alister Magick.
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Qui-Gon Jinn on March 22, 2002, 09:00:33
Post by: Qui-Gon Jinn on March 22, 2002, 09:00:33
Magick to me means I guess "Magic" with a "k" on the ending...
.. and Magic to me means something like this; Understanding and aligning yourself with the natural principles that govern the workings of our universe, and learning to use these principles in the most conscious and creative way.
Never heard of "Magick" before though...
Take care //Qui-Gon
- Your focus determines your reality -
.. and Magic to me means something like this; Understanding and aligning yourself with the natural principles that govern the workings of our universe, and learning to use these principles in the most conscious and creative way.
Never heard of "Magick" before though...
Take care //Qui-Gon
- Your focus determines your reality -
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Adrian on March 22, 2002, 09:26:16
Post by: Adrian on March 22, 2002, 09:26:16
Greetings all!
I am almost certain that the (k) was introduced by Aleister Crowley for reasons best known to himself. The popular belief is that it is supposed to differentiate "Magic" from stage tricks. I have heard alternative reasons - e.g Crowley always claimed he was "the beast who's number is 666".
But as far as I am concerned, the spelling is definitely Magic and definitely with no "k".
To me, this theory of differentiating it with stage tricks is totally and completely erroneous, because most people would not have even the slightest idea about the significance of "k" if they saw it in writing, and would not therefore concern themselves about it - they would be much more likely to think it is a spelling mistake! If you were in a situation where people were interested in discussing Magic, you would use the spelling (if the correct spelling arose)as "Magic" and explain what it really does mean. Similarly is you were involved in "Magic", you would then *know* what it really means.
I think the spelling with a "k" has become particularly popular, because Gerald Gardner of the Wicca movement got a great many of his ideas and rituals from Crowley, and hence spells things the same way, and thus popularising it. I don't have any problems at all with Wicca, or Wiccans spelling their concepts of Magic with a "k" if they so desire.
And Qui-Gon:
I like your definition of Magic
Best regards,
Adrian.
I am almost certain that the (k) was introduced by Aleister Crowley for reasons best known to himself. The popular belief is that it is supposed to differentiate "Magic" from stage tricks. I have heard alternative reasons - e.g Crowley always claimed he was "the beast who's number is 666".
But as far as I am concerned, the spelling is definitely Magic and definitely with no "k".
To me, this theory of differentiating it with stage tricks is totally and completely erroneous, because most people would not have even the slightest idea about the significance of "k" if they saw it in writing, and would not therefore concern themselves about it - they would be much more likely to think it is a spelling mistake! If you were in a situation where people were interested in discussing Magic, you would use the spelling (if the correct spelling arose)as "Magic" and explain what it really does mean. Similarly is you were involved in "Magic", you would then *know* what it really means.
I think the spelling with a "k" has become particularly popular, because Gerald Gardner of the Wicca movement got a great many of his ideas and rituals from Crowley, and hence spells things the same way, and thus popularising it. I don't have any problems at all with Wicca, or Wiccans spelling their concepts of Magic with a "k" if they so desire.
And Qui-Gon:
quote:
.. and Magic to me means something like this; Understanding and aligning yourself with the natural principles that govern the workings of our universe, and learning to use these principles in the most conscious and creative way.
I like your definition of Magic
Best regards,
Adrian.
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: distant bell on March 22, 2002, 11:46:08
Post by: distant bell on March 22, 2002, 11:46:08
The word Magick is Crowleys inventon- and a wery good invention
indeed, IMHO. It differs REAL MAGICK from stage-tricks.
Crowleys definition of magick:
"Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occure in
conformity with Will" - magick without tears. p.27
indeed, IMHO. It differs REAL MAGICK from stage-tricks.
Crowleys definition of magick:
"Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occure in
conformity with Will" - magick without tears. p.27
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Mobius on March 23, 2002, 00:05:12
Post by: Mobius on March 23, 2002, 00:05:12
Talking about spelling,I just realized I spelt his name Alister
intstead of Aleister,ahhhhhhhhhh!
Oh well phonetically spoken it could be Alista,Allasta or Allesta,
aargh spelling schmelling.
Mobius
intstead of Aleister,ahhhhhhhhhh!
Oh well phonetically spoken it could be Alista,Allasta or Allesta,
aargh spelling schmelling.
Mobius
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 23, 2002, 03:49:02
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 23, 2002, 03:49:02
I vaguely remember the original discussions taking place about using the magick with a K spelling....
It has been VERY widely adopted now, because people felt there was a need to differentiate between real magick and stage magic. It also provides a way to tell if someone is actually talking about real magick or about a work of fiction--if they know to use the K, they are usually at least somewhat familiar with real magick.
Yes, it did originate with Crowley. Bit of trivia--it's pronounced Crow lee, with the first part being just like the bird.... :)
--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."
It has been VERY widely adopted now, because people felt there was a need to differentiate between real magick and stage magic. It also provides a way to tell if someone is actually talking about real magick or about a work of fiction--if they know to use the K, they are usually at least somewhat familiar with real magick.
Yes, it did originate with Crowley. Bit of trivia--it's pronounced Crow lee, with the first part being just like the bird.... :)
--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Adrian on March 23, 2002, 08:20:53
Post by: Adrian on March 23, 2002, 08:20:53
Greetings Winged_Wolf and Everyone!
Well at the final analysis one should spell Magic(k) in accordance with the way one feels most comfortable spelling it To me alone, the spelling can only be Magic
The only point I was making, was with specific regards to the logic or lack thereof of the notion of using the spelling in differentiating true Magic with stage tricks. If you think about it, if you are talking verbally about Magic(k), the spoken word is pronounced exactly the same in both cases, so the addition of the (k) is absolutely meaningless, because it is verbally an invisible (k), and accordingly does not emphasise itself in conversation.
If using the spelling "Magick" in the written word, the vast majority of people, i.e. those not directly involved in Magic(k) in some way, will not understand the significance of the (K) at all, and will most likely dismiss it as a spelling error.
The spelling differences are only of notional importance to those therefore, who already understand, and can differentiate the differences and relative meanings between stage tricks and true Magic, and in that case the need to differentiate it is entirely moot.
At the very final analysis ask yourself this - why does it even matter to you what people regard as the meaning of the word Magic(k)? The only thing that is really important, in every sense, is what Magic(k) really means to you.
Best regards to everyone,
Adrian.
Well at the final analysis one should spell Magic(k) in accordance with the way one feels most comfortable spelling it
To me alone, the spelling can only be MagicThe only point I was making, was with specific regards to the logic or lack thereof of the notion of using the spelling in differentiating true Magic with stage tricks. If you think about it, if you are talking verbally about Magic(k), the spoken word is pronounced exactly the same in both cases, so the addition of the (k) is absolutely meaningless, because it is verbally an invisible (k), and accordingly does not emphasise itself in conversation.
If using the spelling "Magick" in the written word, the vast majority of people, i.e. those not directly involved in Magic(k) in some way, will not understand the significance of the (K) at all, and will most likely dismiss it as a spelling error.
The spelling differences are only of notional importance to those therefore, who already understand, and can differentiate the differences and relative meanings between stage tricks and true Magic, and in that case the need to differentiate it is entirely moot.
At the very final analysis ask yourself this - why does it even matter to you what people regard as the meaning of the word Magic(k)? The only thing that is really important, in every sense, is what Magic(k) really means to you.
Best regards to everyone,
Adrian.
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Tir13 on March 23, 2002, 18:49:40
Post by: Tir13 on March 23, 2002, 18:49:40
Oh brother,
Historically Aleister Crowley added the 'k' to magic(k) to make his gematria fit. Everything else, and interpetations of what magic/magic(k) translates to, is the "pagan communities" (cannot think of a better term at ze moment) doing. It's a pretty word, but I personally dislike the stigma attached to it. *shrug* whatever works eh.
Jason
Historically Aleister Crowley added the 'k' to magic(k) to make his gematria fit. Everything else, and interpetations of what magic/magic(k) translates to, is the "pagan communities" (cannot think of a better term at ze moment) doing. It's a pretty word, but I personally dislike the stigma attached to it. *shrug* whatever works eh.
Jason
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 24, 2002, 01:48:21
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 24, 2002, 01:48:21
I suppose I'm just stubborn--I agreed with the reasoning behind the new spelling, so I use it. It can help a person to determine if what they are reading is real or a work of fiction, and that can be quite valuable with some more outlandish things. Since this is the age of information, and the written word is what we encounter so much more often than the spoken word, the distinction is usually apparent.
As for my personal feelings....I am no longer a magickian. I don't use it at all, ever, and therefore I have no really intense feelings on the matter. Yes, Tir, it was the pagan community that decided to adopt the K because they wanted to distinguish stage and fictional magic from real magick. Let's face it, most magickians these days are pagans.
--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."
As for my personal feelings....I am no longer a magickian. I don't use it at all, ever, and therefore I have no really intense feelings on the matter.
--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Tir13 on March 24, 2002, 21:16:40
Post by: Tir13 on March 24, 2002, 21:16:40
Hmm...stage and "real" magic(k) how do you know one isn't the other...?
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Title: MAGICK?
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 25, 2002, 02:10:15
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 25, 2002, 02:10:15
I sense the energy movement involved in real magick.
--Winged Wolf
"I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me, and I will walk into the fire, 'til its heat doesn't burn me, and I will feed the fire...."
Title: MAGICK?
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on March 21, 2002, 23:57:31
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on March 21, 2002, 23:57:31
What exactly is meant by the word "magick" and why is it spelled that way? I have found many explanations and sources, but what can any of you offer as personal knowledge and from your own research.
ie. what does it mean to you?
ie. what does it mean to you?