Metaphysics&subconscious on LSD (or shrooms)

[Dilmun]

Does anyone have any information about this? I am actually thinking about trying LSD just for "science" to test meditating, OBE, clairvoyance, remote viewing, telekinesis etc. Also communicating with subconscious.
Does anyone have any knowledge about this expect drugs arent healthy =)

[no_leaf_clover]

It's mentioned quite a bit in this post:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18779

[Dilmun]

i gotta say i didnt find nearly any answers i wanted, i didnt read whole thing yet but there wasnt much what was i was looking for

[no_leaf_clover]

Well, as far as OBE's go on LSD, Frank made a few posts of interest..

...when I read people's reports on mushroom and LSD "trips" I can readily see that what is happening is the drug is causing a kind-of "forced" focus of attention shift into Focus 2 of consciousness.

The big problem with that is people do not actually realise the nature of the environment and the fact that they are now sitting slap-bang within their own personal area of mind. Which means all their thoughts will come to life all around them. People tend to believe that the drug itself has caused some kind of weird "trip". When in reality, the person themselves have caused the trip. All the drug has done is to cause them to focus away from the physical into Focus 2 of consciousness instead of Focus 1.

Saying that, I have also read a number of reports that clearly show these drugs can also cause an F1/F2 overlay experience. I suppose it depends on the dosage, but I'm guessing there, as I've never taken them, as I say. But an overlay experience is where people perceive 2 or more areas of consciousness at the same time. So people are seeing the physical, but superimposed on their vision of that are visions they are picking up from F2 of consciousness also. Again, people tend to think it is the drug itself that has caused this. But they are causing it. The drug has simply broken down the "barrier" so to speak, that the person would normally place between the two areas of consciousness.

In a drug experience, from what I have read, people typically experience Focus 2 of consciousness. This is the place where they go on their individual "trip". All the visuals, hearing voices, flying around, etc. this is Focus 2.

Now, if you were to actually realise that right "next door", in a manner of speaking, is your common area, i.e. Focus 3, then within the experience you should be able to cause a phase shift to Focus 3. If you are in a group of people doing the same thing, in theory, if you all get it right, then you should all be able to meet-up within Focus 3 and have a laugh.

Yes, I was about to say that you are not actually under the influence of the LSD. All the drug has done it to remove the "veil" that people typically place between here and there, in a manner of speaking. I say that because there is no here and there as separate places. It's all you as one continuum in consciousness. But we place these "barriers" for the purposes of our experience.

The problem with the drug-fuelled experience is there is no stopping it! They end up immersed within Focus 2 of consciousness with all their thoughts (usually fearful) coming to life all around them... and there's no zapping back to physical as an escape.

The core problem is they don't realise where they are in consciousness. If they knew they were actually within their own mind then they would know how to control it... simply stop thinking! And it would all just dissipate.

But because people do not realise where in consciousness they are, the phenomenon of the "bad trip" has been brought into being. There is no such "thing" as a bad-trip, per se. You are just within Focus 2 of consciousness. So all your thoughts and feelings come to life all around you. If you are in a bad mood, then you are going to be immersed in the objective representations of that bad mood. Chances are that will make you feel worse, and so you are going to find yourself in worse circumstances. Which makes you feel worse, and so you are going to find yourself in progressively worsening circumstances. Hence the term "bad trip" was born. However, the whole experience is entirely generated by the individual, and all they need do to stop it is to simply stop thinking, or think of something happy, and so it will become.

[Souljah333]

you can start another "drug" thread, but you still aren't going to get the information you want. a lot of purists in these parts.

so save yourself the time and head to the "acid vault"
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml

but if you have some bizarro experiences, make sure you post 'em here
333

[Greenrat]

dilmun mushrooms and acid trips have been a great and valuable tool in my journey of self discovery ignore the non-beleivers and do them as soon as you can...
i reccomend on  shrooms  just setting up a meditation area, use incense and maybe a buddha statue and meditate through the whole trip you will seriously go somewhere and see unforgetable things...

on acid get some trance music and dance to it, even if on your own.  

dont be out though or in an environment which isnt spiritually orientated, a trip must be channeled with the right attitude or it can turn into a nightmare.

[no_leaf_clover]

ignore the non-beleivers and do them as soon as you can...

Actually, the best route would probably be to do what you're doing right now: research this stuff first. Know exactly what to expect. Some even recommend you keep a sober friend nearby to make sure you don't try anything stupid without realizing it. Not that those types of things normally happen, but from time to time they will.

[Logic]

Yes, you should look into it a bit before trying either. A friend is a good idea, they dont have to be sober if they know what they are doing though.

[Stevedave]

I have had a few great experiences on this stuff. I would go for the shrooms as its easier to control the dosage, the trip is shorter (you can always take more afterwards) and its easier to sleep afterwards.

It feels like you are experiencing things in a totally different way. Your senses will be very attuned. Yep, make sure the environment is mellow. No idiots around, they can do your head in a little. Also, if you live out in the countryside, I definately recommend going out and checkin things out. In the summer its bliss.

[Mikael]

I'll try and describe the experience i had when trying mushrooms (the only time i've done drugs, and i only tried them after doing my research and finding out about possible side effects, like a good boy).

3 friends came over to my house after 2 of us had bought Mexicans (recommended for beginners) so the two of us put them in sandwiches and the other two didnt want to try mushrooms.

I'll only describe the parts which may have some relevance, as there were lots of 'phases' in the trip.

2 minor things i'll mention, near the beginning of the trip, i'd been lying down on the ground (after my 'feeling one with nature' phase, which was brilliant!) i stood up and suddenly started feeling REALLY floaty, as if i was levitating or something, and the feeling was increased when i lifted up my arms.
Secondly, near the end of the trip, i had a big identity crisis (which wasn't a bad thing at the time, just confusing), where i was looking in the mirror and i just couldn't fathom the idea that the person i was talking to (yes, i was talking to myself) was the same person as me.  I even took a photo of myself with my phone and showed it to me to try and prove i was the same as the person in the mirror lol.


Anyway, the major feeling during the trip is what i call The Layers:
Imagine watching TV, but that you're inside the TV interacting with the characters.   This being inside of the TV is like the physical reality.  But then imagine after being inside the TV, stepping back from it to realise you're just watching, and experiencing, something which is happening outside of your control on a screen, so that you're just an observer.   Thats what reality was like.  It was like my mind had been pulled back, and that my mind was just watching a 3D interactive TV program.

Very wierd. so it was as if whether my mind was there or not, the physical stuff going on would have been happening anyway, but my mind interacting with the physical is what created the experience.  I dont think this is what the true nature of reality is like, i imagine this was simply my brain getting confused by the psylobin in the mushrooms, nothing more.

(by the way if any of this is unclear just ask me to try and explain it again, as its quite hard to describe)


I've never tried mushrooms since, so i havn't been able to try them while meditating or anything like that, and this was before my interest in projecting, so i dont know if having that on your mind would give a different kind of trip.
I would reccommend that you keep friends with you who aren't trying them, and DO NOT LOCK YOURSELF IN A TOILET!   As my friend who tried them soon discovered, being on your own in a dark bathroom can turn the trip very negative, and you quickly become lost in your own, paranoid/depressing thoughts.

So the important things are to do your research before you try any drugs, especially ones which can affect you like mushrooms.  But fortunately, the only possible side effects (apart from bad trips) are things like nausea, not major at all.  Start off with a low amount, and if they dont work, dont take more! because they take around 30/40 mins to take effect.  And regarding the legality, in England, it isnt illegal to grow/sell/buy/eat mushrooms, but it is illegal to prepare them.  This is a bit of a grey area, but this includes making tea with them, drying them out, putting them in a stew etc.


So go have some safe, responsible fun!

[Dilmun]

i just thought about this...

you guys know the feeling when you simply get too much information and need to rest and if you meditate on lsd etc i bet you get a lot of information but you just cant rest and the thing keeps popping in your head. as you cant sleep or rest i bet it isnt very healthy for mind so do you think this can actually happen?