moving objects

[AndrewTheSinger]

Is it possible to move a physical object when projecting in real-time?
I tried it a few times in the past but with no success.

I read some people can do it.
Is there any theory on how it works?

I think it must have to do with ectoplasm/etheric matter and some sort of materialization of the astral body. Maybe it can also be done by thought - astral telekinesis?

Once I projected but somehow didn't bring my audition to the astral body, so it remained in the physical. I was opening the window and then I heard from my physical head that 'someone' was touching the window.
I'll never know if it actually happened, all I know is that I didn't hear that from my astral body perspective.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hmm, not sure I can help you, maybe you should accept the laws of nature and move physical objects using the physical body, and astral objects using the astral body.

[Goober]

accept the laws of nature

That's never fun.

[Goober]

I just noticed that you are both the same poster?!!?!?!

[AndrewTheSinger]

LoL! yeah, but I posted that one long ago, I guess it was my first post here, over 4 years ago, I was obsessed with this thing.

No one's ever replied, until today hahaha 

[Awakened_Mind]

I remember reading an experience once where someone said they could move an object but when they returned to their physical body, the physical object had not actually moved. I'm guessing you had read similar experiences then also. How many people were registered 4 years ago?

Reading this thread confused me   

-AM

[AndrewTheSinger]

It might have been myself, I made this experiment to see if I could move the object across the sheet of paper, and was able to move only the astral counterpart, never the physical. 

No idea how many members we had here, but I did dig some fascinating discussions.

[Awakened_Mind]

What are your thoughts on the pendulums?

-AM

[AndrewTheSinger]

Never used them, read some posts on this before only.

[rave_master_naruto]

if astral is for astral matter and physical is for physical matter, then why is it that some ghost/poltergiest can move objects?

[AndrewTheSinger]

They must have found a way to manifest here, etheric matter, lower vibration...  I just don't know how.

P.s.: wasn't your name catmeow?

[CFTraveler]

if astral is for astral matter and physical is for physical matter, then why is it that some ghost/poltergiest can move objects?

Most poltergeist phenomenon is tied to a person in the physical, usually a child reaching puberty.  Once the family moves, or the child grows up, the phenomena stops.  It was called 'poltergeist' which if I remember correctly means 'noisy ghost' back in the time when everything was attributed to ghosts or demons.  But most modern parapsychologists have come to the conclusion that it's caused by telekinesis (involuntary or voluntary) by a disturbed individual (as in prepubescent angst). 
So the agent is not a spirit affecting matter, but rather telekinesis, however that works.

[rave_master_naruto]

oh you're right. I've also read about that, but that doesnt mean that it is all a poltergiest/telekinesis thing bcause there are some cases that there are no teenager that is present when an objects move, like a door suddenly closed or a knife floats into the air, etc....

hey you gave me a good idea andrew 

[Nay]

I just can't get over you commenting to yourself.....  I'd think if I read a post by myself, I'd remember it was me that did the asking. 

You got some splaning to do Lucy...... 

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hehe but I knew it was one of my posts, I couldn't resist replying to it now that I think I finally have an answer. I could be wrong though... 

Good to hear that rave_master, good luck in your endeavors!

[lily moonsong]

"The astral projection workbook" by J.H.Brennan
speaks of people projecting from their bodies to visit relatives across the world... only to have that relative call them the next day to tell them they saw their ghost floating in the kitchen while they were making coffee...

it also speaks of people in projections being able to move things that weight less than their astral body mass which is usually 1 gram.  So astral people should be able to move papers, paperclips and things of that nature.

[CFTraveler]

astral body mass which is usually 1 gram 

-provided that's a fact.  There are other factors that seem to affect the interactivability (prob. made up word) of the astral with the physical.  If you're 'out of phase' enough with it, then there's no way to interact in an effective way.  If you're close enough, then maybe.  But it's theoretical for me.  I've never been able to affect the physical when I'm out.  In fact, it's one of the ways to ascertain that I'm not just having a very realistic lucid dream. For me, anyway.

[lily moonsong]

you hear of ghosts leaving pennies, sending birds, messing with electronics, or making knocking noises, and visiting loved one's dreams, to let them know they are still around.

i think people in astral bodies can do the same.

we got a lot to strive and look foward to eh?

[CFTraveler]

Maybe.  At the moment I'm still trying to figure out where I'm going when I go.  Between the RTZ, the dreamlike scenarios, the school settings and the alternate universe dreams, I'm more focused inwards than in affecting the material.  But I know that'll come (the interest, that is, IDK if the ability) since I would like to try to effect some healing on my loved ones. 

[lily moonsong]

since our astral body is composed of energy.  we should be able to get out of our body into the real time etheric zone, and heat things up or cool them down by passing thru them. 

Here's an experiment to try:

Try to astral project while your friends are over.  Make sure there are balloons around.  Move the balloon to where they are.  Then when you come back to your body.. tell them the what they were saying and tell them it was you moving the balloon.  You could also try making the balloon rub against people.  make it change directions suddenly, etc.

[volcomstone]

The only help I can give you is to make a psi-wheel and spend a good 20 min a day on it.

go to http://www.psipog.net/                     Under articles - Psychokinesis

        its all very Yoda ish, and a bit corny, but if you believe it it'll work. 

    also try making your aura penetrate the psiwheel and mix with the psiwheel aura, then move the aura, not the object.

         also the original NEW (new energy ways) and energy body manipulation is a must before even attempting this. 

Also look up any posts by Beavis

[Alaskans]

Hmm.. but the physical and astral are not the same layer. You can change the astral because thought takes place in the astral. If you move something in the astral, wouldnt you only be moving where it is beleived to be? (As the astral is composed of thought) My experiences with tk didnt involve thought, only movement of lots of magnetic feeling energy. So I dont beleive tk takes place from the astral but somewhere else, perhaps etheric. The physical seems to for the most part create the astral, though there is a lot of talk about thought creating the physical. I would say it would be as difficult to move an object via the astral as it would be to create an object in the physical using thought. But I'm all for experimenting, you should always live a little risky imo.

[volcomstone]

well, astral is thought, but astral can also be instruction.  You can construct astral "energy" to become instruction for work. Astrak planes are also known as Causal planes.

  if it means anything, think Ether torsion, basically you want to have two opposing energys at right angles or opposite spins.   The interaction between the two opposing "astral" fields is the dynamic that creates the "information" for energy transfer, and work can be done.

 Typically colours are a good indication.  Red/blue interactions cause information encoding, as well as other colour opposites.  Its not visualization however, its all intention.  You must Feel as though the object is part of you, and that moving the object is no more difficult than moving your finger.  

      Just like it takes a while for babies to learn how to move efficiently, using TK is the same idea, you must strengthen slowly....