The Astral Pulse

Hi
Sounds too far fetched, but is there any possibility of contacting non-physical beings via Internet?
The media though which they(spirits etc) can contact include -
1. Human mediums.
2. Simple objects (pendulum/boards/sticks, but a form of channeling)
3. Radio waves
4. Telephone
5. TV
6. Computer

Very impressive list indeed. (for examples of these communications please visit http://www.worlditc.com )
So did they got their hands on a www or smtp/pop server yet?
I heard a few stories about people getting anomalous mails. But I get 20 such mails daily and they go staright to the junk-mail folder without my knowing :D
Are there any serious examples of a contact through Internet? Thanks :)

It is probably impossible, net protocols are very complicated. I think that a being that could do such think, would just communicate in a vision.

Visions...hmm
Only a handful of guys in this world know how to detect them or even interpret them.

Once they succeed in putting some text files in the comp (which they did, as reports say), it should be easy to mail it across or make a post in a forum.
After all clicking the mouse a few times (by supernatural means, they dont need to know the protocols ;)) should not be harder than manipulating the hard disk directly.
Or once they could call someone on phone and speak to  him through voice, data should be a simple matter.

What reports?

Some examples :

http://www.worlditc.org/c_04_s_bridge_25.htm
http://www.worlditc.org/c_07_senki_b_09.6.htm
http://www.worlditc.org/c_04_s_bridge_23.htm
http://www.worlditc.org/c_04_s_bridge_24.htm

These are all actual scientists and the messages are straightforward and meaningful (unlike the nonsense that you see here on this forum)

Hmmm... This is interesting. If such thing is possible, then if spirit would have enough knownledge about computer, it could communicate easily with living people. In currently used computers modification of hard drive data would be extremely hard, because all checksums must match. Without matching checksums the transmission would not be readable, and would only cause read errors.

You are right, if they did this its remarkable.
Although they dont clearly tell what s/w was there or how they got the text.

There must be a good number of dead computer engineers there. But may be not enough to do something useful. We need more of them  :D

Perhaps its not that the tech is not there, but interfacing with physical is difficult.

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You are right, if they did this its remarkable.
Although they dont clearly tell what s/w was there or how they got the text.

There must be a good number of dead computer engineers there. But may be not enough to do something useful. We need more of them

Perhaps its not that the tech is not there, but interfacing with physical is difficult.

Software? Only BIOS was needed. The computer was probably some kind of Commodore, and it had operating system and programming language stored inside BIOS permamently.

Ok , must be one of those old comps, I dont know much about them.

Maybe the ghost are operating the computer on a total different level than we do.... so no input device is needed for them but some kind of manipulation of energy will do the trick :?:

Eric,
Its anybody's guess actually.
So let me tell you whats my guess -
1. They did some energy manipulation of the keyboard (sort of short circuiting the keys with energy) and entered the text letter by letter.
2. They hooked their non-physical keyboard into the PC and typed it out using their non-physical tech.
3. They set the bits in memory, bit by bit, by manipulating it electrically (very difficult)
4. They etched whole file on the hd/fd using magnetic manipulation (very difficult, because of file structures etc)
5. They managed to connect to the PC via com port or something to their own non-physical equipment through some kind of astral-physical interface and transmitted the whole text.

The last one is most probable and if you see the text, there are no spaces, new lines and punctuations, which means they tried to be efficient and passed their data through some coding system.
Emphasis on efficiency, compression and coding are characteristics of any electronic communication system, which surely indicates possibility #5.

I'm also attempting such communication. :)

(http://www.worlditc.org/c_04_bridge_186_comptext.jpg)

It'd seem to me that if I needed to transfer a message to a hard drive without using the input devices in a conventional sense, I'd short the keys. It's simple, quick, and you don't have to know squat about the inner workings of computers or the COM ports and such. It'd save time not to use the spacebar after each word too. Course, they could've just culled what they were trying to say, but it may be that it was already culled and that all the words were important.

Yes, thats one of the possibilities. The omission of extra characters suggests a 'spritual sms' :)
The implication is very important, if this is the case, not only they could sense the keyboard, the exact positions of the keys but also affected it electrically.

The questions is that if they can do this much, why cant they do it often? Or on a permanent basis?
Suppose I keep this page open, it would be a simple matter for that spiritual being to type it out and press the submit button.

But what would make interfacing with a COM port and attempting to communicate in an unnatural and unknown way of sending the signal so that they somehow manage to form letters once received by the processor. I wouldn't even want to attempt this myself, with no prior knowlege of how the ports work to produce characters if you somehow manage to get past the interface part. It seems unneccessarily complicated when using a keyboard marked with letters would seem more natural. You'd need to affect the electrical signals to manipulate a COM port anyways, so why start from scratch with no knowlege when you could use what is plainly availible for use already?

Thats right, they would take the easy way.
Also, I'm not sure if those old pcs had a com port even.
Even if it had, it takes +/- 5 volts to send a Bit, which is a bit large voltage for spirits to manage.

However the guys on the other side were scientists and an engineer themselves, so they had the knowledge, otherwise they would not have attempted. It becomes a pain soon when you want to communicate an entire book, so possiblity of an interface remains.

The question is still there anyway. Why there was no progress on the other side after they achieved this ? Its unfortunate.

In these times magnetical manipulation of the tapes(the computers probably didn't have hard drives then) was the easiest method. No checksums, extremely simple file structure, large spaces between bits...

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Thats right, they would take the easy way.
Also, I'm not sure if those old pcs had a com port even.
Even if it had, it takes +/- 5 volts to send a Bit, which is a bit large voltage for spirits to manage.

My Commodore 128 computer has got serial port, but I am not sure if it is 5V, maybe 12 V, and it is not possible to manipulate data on computer using it without some kind of external program.

You've got a commodore. Thats cool stuff :)
May be you can declare this to spirits, and get some messages across.
You are correct about the tapes. Perhaps the rising complexity and sophistication of computers prevented further communication. As always - the other side of the coin is there.

Its stupid if you dont believe in comunicating spirits on the internet....

you are speaking to one now

ahahahah!!

now, really: who spoke on commodore? If feel nostalgic about that...my couse had one.

I think it is possible for non-physical entities to communicate via the internet/email etc...
Depends on what you believe. Do you just believe in ghosts, not angels (or higher beings than us that watch and take care of parts of this galaxy and universe)?
I do believe in a higher order of beings. I believe I have had contact with one at a point in my life. If there are such beings, and they sometimes interfere in human life for whatever reason, do you think they have NO KNOWLEDGE of the internet? The internet has become huge. 'Angels' take care of the universe, they know stuff, why wouldnt they know about communications like emails and websites? They can know if you are about to get hit by a car (and if it is within their agenda) and prevent it, but they cannot read your email??? Come on! If you are going to believe in the supernatural at all, might as well integrate possibilities that fall into the same lines of logic given past experiences with these types of beings. The old 'stick a tape in a graveyard and record ghosts' is kind of lame, sure it could happen, but do we have to limit ghosts and angels/demons to video/audio tapes? How many posts on these forums are from people you do not know, hmmmmmmm, could it be...an angel?
If an angel can speak to you on the street, and you think they are just a regular person, then they can ALSO send you an email perhaps, even host a website, if it is within the design and whatever complicated balance they are trying to maintain.

Quote from: CaCoDeMoNIn these times magnetical manipulation of the tapes(the computers probably didn't have hard drives then) was the easiest method. No checksums, extremely simple file structure, large spaces between bits...

So you'd rather try manually entering data, figuring out which sequence makes which characters, instead of using the keyboard in the same fashion? Simplicity rules.

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So you'd rather try manually entering data, figuring out which sequence makes which characters, instead of using the keyboard in the same fashion? Simplicity rules.

Not I. Some kind of spirit could do it.

... You didn't get it. If you would rather enter it with a keyboard, a spirit would try to do it the same way. If it already would need to mess with magnetic feilds or electrical pulses, wouldn't it try to deal with it using a keyboard for an interface rather than trying in vain to monkey around with the surface of a disk or a serial port?

Photos can capture images of Ghosts
You may have seen photos which captured ghosts . There are sites you could google on the net claiming to have ghost photos . These photos
are not capable of being scientifically accepted of course . Most humans are unaware and can not see the spirit in a room . Images captured on a photo do not necessarily help them see better . Someimes it is just a light off the lens and there is no spirit there at all . I would like to see photos catch the spirit energy so that anyone could see it and we could demonstrate it to be genuine and replicable, not faked

Mediums do not always sense all spirits present neither does media
When two clairvoyants read a sitter at the same time there may be 5 different spirt there ; a b c d and e . One clairvoyant will see only a,b, and c and the other one may see c and d while neither may see spirit e. Seeing clairvoyantly is not the same as the physical sight . We have to change our receivers like tuning up or down on a radio tuner to be able to get the wave .

Some entities are not as capable of being seen as they dint transmit well . Others choose anonymity . Spirt has to learn to send better to be seen . Just being dead doesn't mean you will suddenly be able to talk to the live .

The medium has to learn to receive better and may find some entities not in the range they can see yet. It is harder to see an archangel than it is to see a spirit grandmother .  So just because spirit is there it doesn't mean they will be captured on any media either .

Failure to capture intelligible messages  on audio tape We have tried  to capture what we hear in circle on tape . It comes out like garbled white noise on tape . It is so bad that we stopped taping . I was taping sessions just to read back what each member gave off aloud to record it in our journals . But the interference from spirit was too much and it distorted the tapes so that i could not hear our own voices clearly and i gave up trying to record our sessions altogether . We never heard clear spirit messages on any of these tapes though . I would love to hear ones that could be validated and proven not to be faked I think the previews of the film White Noise are very interesting . I remain skeptical .

Enitities are energy and can transmit or receive online
Now non physical entities are ENERGY and all energy is part of the Electro Magnetic Radiation Spectrum . We can certainly expect then that energy will send and receive over normal emr transmissions conduits . But can we capture it  yet and replay it so that all can hear it ? No I don't think so ....not yet .I think that just as some can see and hear spirit most can not yet . And the capturing at this point in technology has not seemed to amplify the transmission in a way that allows for the non clairvoyant to see or hear it . I look with interest and skeptical speculation at the transmissions that others say are replicable.

Mediums have trouble with some media and preferences for others.It is interesting that some conduits of EMR assist readers and others do not . John Edward laments that he cannot read well over the TV . He reads well live but if he looks at that recording later of the TV episode he finds is hard to read the sitter . He really enjoyed accurate readings over his radio show and prefers that media. My mum used to read over the phone . I don't do this well . Many of my medium mates read over the phone too . Bill V. can project his consciousness over the phone and tell me who is walking by me in my room ...where a child is.... where a pet is . Bill can RTZ here through the phone lines . Bill can not read over the net at all . Jodi does not like to read over the net either . She finds it very difficult and draining . But I don't read well over the phone .

QuoteAre there any serious examples of a contact through Internet? Thanks :)[/

Internet is an effective conduit of non physical entities I prefer the internet . I have read well online there in chat . The internet does allow transmission of energy . We can heal over the net it makes a great conduit . We can send emotions over the net ...try this yourself in a live chat without words . Sit and feel the person you chat with . We can send our auric energy over the net so that others can read it as a medium and sense what entities are with the sitter at the time . We can project by following a trace of the energy over the net . So if someone is chatting to you and you make a bond with them , you can then follow this link to thier home and see in RTZ. It is possible to get a good reading over the internet . A medium can read photos posted on the net or read the energy of the sitter on live chat for exp ample . One can heal send emotions and all sorts of energy even tantric sex over the net .But I think most folks in the adult chat room already know that .  One can cleanse or exorcise over the net and drain over the net .

Going into a crowd is just as risky as the net so don't  get paranoid and cut your connection . LOL :)Just be aware and practice safely .
You can also be drained in public or get a neg attachment at a pub .Some people drain us without even knowing it . Some effuse energy and others are sinkers and being around them on the net is no different than being around them in the physical they can make you feel down sad and low . One can link and attach over the net and you may not wish the attachment cord to be there . Some people are energy vampires and do this on purpose . You can't avoid contact with them at the supermarket either but you can learn psychic defense .So do protect your computers with white light and prayers . The internet  is a very capable conduit of non physical energy .

Yes it is possible for all that stuff, on the Net. Let me ask you this. Are we talking about just spirits, or just human-spiritual attachment cords, just stuff like that? Do you believe in angels, gods, and goddesses? Surely they would be very effective at using the internet. A wave of their "hand" and a whole email could be written...

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... You didn't get it. If you would rather enter it with a keyboard, a spirit would try to do it the same way. If it already would need to mess with magnetic feilds or electrical pulses, wouldn't it try to deal with it using a keyboard for an interface rather than trying in vain to monkey around with the surface of a disk or a serial port?

It wold not be easier. Using a keyboard requires a running computer and thousands or even milions times more energy. For serial port a specific program would be needed, text can't be entered without it, it could be done with a program like minicom, but requires hudreds times bigger energy that direct manipulation of disk, and extremely precise timing.

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Now non physical entities are ENERGY and all energy is part of the Electro Magnetic Radiation Spectrum

I am sorry, but I can certainly say that this is BS. Energy is not neccesarily electro magnetic radiation. There are many other kinds of energy, like kinetic energy(energy of moving objects and heat, sound waves), electricity, potential energy contained in atoms and of course energy contained in molecules. There's absolutely no proof that spirits are just energy, and of course there's no proof that spirits are elecromagnetic radiation. The "energy" that you talk about is just a concept, I am sure that some kind of spiritual "energy" exists, but until scientific research will be conducted we don't know what it really is.

Quote from: CaCoDeMoNIt wold not be easier. Using a keyboard requires a running computer and thousands or even milions times more energy. For serial port a specific program would be needed, text can't be entered without it, it could be done with a program like minicom, but requires hudreds times bigger energy that direct manipulation of disk, and extremely precise timing.

... The computer would be turned on already.

It would be much easier than trying to magnetically manipulate the surface of a disk. You'd be required to know the system that the computer uses to store characters and where to store them without messing up the boot sector of the drive, or the work would be wasted. This method doesn't even allow you to check to see if you are getting results, as the computer would be off or the drive not spinning. If you wanted to check, you'd still have to get access to the keyboard to pull up the file.

There are 5 fundamental forces of the Universe:
1.strong nuclear -glue within atoms to hold them together
2.weak nuclear -allows radioactive decay and the  release of energy
3.electro magnetic energy - sound light heat electrical and magnetic
4.gravity -pull on onjects as they get closer together
as a warping of space between objects
5.dark energy - a repulsive force .. the more space between two objects the greater the force to continue the push to repel them from each other

Quote from: CaCoDeMoNEnergy is not neccesarily electro magnetic radiation. There are many other kinds of energy, like kinetic energy(energy of moving objects and heat, sound waves), electricity, potential energy contained in atoms and of course energy contained in molecules. .

All sound, heat ,light ,electrical and magnetic activity is part of the EMR spectrum.This is a fundamental concept that is taught as part of the elementary or primary Science curriculum globally .

Here are a few links for your enlightenment :
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/emspectrum.html
http://www.electro-optical.com/bb_rad/emspect.htm
http://unihedron.com/projects/spectrum/

Quote from: CaCoDeMoNThere's absolutely no proof that spirits are just energy, and of course there's no proof that spirits are elecromagnetic radiation. The "energy" that you talk about is just a concept, I am sure that some kind of spiritual "energy" exists, but until scientific research will be conducted we don't know what it really is.

What humans see is light . What they hear is sound . The spirit message transmits as light and sound . These are EMR transmissions .
 

Quote from: CaCoDeMoNbut I can certainly say that this is BS. .

I assume you meant  Basic Science ,but  if you meant bull excrement then you would have been unkind . But there is no need to apologise . You already did .

Quote from: CaCoDeMoNI am sorry.

it is ok

seriously mate
open your mind
open your heart
open a book
you have serious blockages
to the flow of energy
within you
and you need
a big hug .

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but if you meant bull excrement then you would have been unkind .

I am sorry for this, next time I will point out things more politely.

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But there is no need to apologise . You already did .

:)

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3.electro magnetic energy - sound light heat electrical and magnetic

Sound is not an electro magnetic radiation. It is a wave conducted through matter, and this can be easily proven - there's no sound in vacuum. Also not all heat is EMR - only the part that is radiated out(infrared radiation and visible light). The heat that is not radiated is an unordered kinetic energy - random movements of molecules and atoms.

Quote from: CaCoDeMoNSound is not an electro magnetic radiation. It is a wave conducted through matter, and this can be easily proven - there's no sound in vacuum. Also not all heat is EMR - only the part that is radiated out(infrared radiation and visible light). The heat that is not radiated is an unordered kinetic energy - random movements of molecules and atoms.

Sound waves are EMR too . Microwaves and Radio waves for example are sound waves which are commonly labled on the left side of visible light on an image of a spectrum . These waves are low frequency . All forms of sound waves are EMR and all kinetic energy is EMR . It is easier to think of it this way . If you suppose that the kinetic energy of a ball perched on the top of a hill is something other than EMR which other force is it ?

First all heat light sound are EMR by definition but let us look anyway at kinetic energy as you like to consider :
As the ball rolls down it makes friction ...this is heat or EMR .
As you see it rolling spinning into colours that is light or EMR .
As it moves down the hill it wll hit objects such as rocks and make a noise that is sound waves and that is EMR .

But ultimately which of the other 4 forces of the universe do you think it would be ? There are only 5 forces of the universe that we know of at this time globally : Weak nuclear , strong nuclear , emr , gravity and dark .

Neither the example sound waves nor the example kinetic energy that you cite would be gravity , weak nuclear , strong nuclear or dark energy .
They are by definition EMR . Go with the flow on this one .


http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/emspectrum.html

QuoteWe may think that radio waves are completely different physical objects or events than gamma-rays. They are produced in very different ways, and we detect them in different ways. But are they really different things? The answer is 'no'. Radio waves, visible light, X-rays, and all the other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are fundamentally the same thing. They are all electromagnetic radiation.

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But ultimately which of the other 4 forces of the universe do you think it would be ? There are only 5 forces of the universe that we know of at this time globally : Weak nuclear , strong nuclear , emr , gravity and dark .

You said "forces", and kinetic energy is not a force at all. All forces are determined by the particle's energy, but all energy is not a force. Heat/kinetic energy is just a "speed of movement" of atoms.
Also I've made a mistake in the previous post, by arguing with you I agreed that EMR is a force, but it is not. The force that you are talking about is electromagnetic force(but not radiation)

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Sound waves are EMR too . Microwaves and Radio waves for example are sound waves which are commonly labled on the left side of visible light on an image of a spectrum . These waves are low frequency .

Microwaves and Radiowaves are not sound waves. Also the frequency of a microwaves is MUCH higher than sound(about 2GHz). They can contain sound data(but  not wave), when they are modulated by amplitude or frequency, but they don't have to contain sound data, it can be also visual/digital or nothing at all.
If sound waves would be EMR, they could be emitted through antenna, because antenna can emit radiowaves in the frequencies of sound(10Hz-22000Hz). But antenna cannot be used to do that, and membrane like in a speaker is required, it's movements make matter  to resonate at certain frequency. If you still think that sound is EMR, then explain these questions:
1.Why people don't hear EMR waves with 10Hz-22000Hz frequencies, and they do hear sund waves with the same frequencies?
2. Why EMR wave with the same frequency(for EMR frequency and wavelenght are the same thing) like a sound wave can go though vacuum and sound can't?

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Sound is not an electro magnetic radiation. It is a wave conducted through matter, and this can be easily proven - there's no sound in vacuum. Also not all heat is EMR - only the part that is radiated out(infrared radiation and visible light). The heat that is not radiated is an unordered kinetic energy - random movements of molecules and atoms.

Look this is coming down to semantics here
by basic definition microwaves are sound
should they be called a wave
probably not
but they are by popular lexicon
I did not make the language mate
look at the Nasa poster in the links above
I reckon the rocket scientists would know
all heat light and sound are on that continuum
call them as you will

now can we call sound microwaves
a wave
well that is certainly arguable
but at a basic level
humanity would call microwave ovens
cooking with sound
it is not sound we hear
it is not like a light wave
it is sound though
and how we call it is a matter of our own understanding


Certainly there is a difference between force and radiation .
Certainly there is a difference between longitudinal and transverse waves .There is a difference between kinetic and potential energy.
But you came into this argument refuting that spirit are energy.
You believed sound and light were not EM and they mose certainly are .

I have been vey patient but i won't continue on this thread .
I am interested in Spirituality .
I have pointed you to some links .
I tried to explain it at a fundamental level when you did not have a grasp at all and now you arguing from another level altogether
and i am beyond my scope now .Or at least at the edge of it lol .

But clearly all of your examples are manifestations of the EM force and you are only arguing semantics now .
Of the 5 fundamental forces of nature everything you mention sound ,light , heat : they are all EM .
Radiation just is one manifestation of the force
and you are only trying to choose between exact words here .

Spirit can be seen
spirit can be heard
it is seen with our eyes percieved by our brain
it has been captured by various technology
but not well

It is a matter of semantics here, all of the phenomenon you mentioned are electromagnetic in nature. You are correct about sound waves propogated through a physical medium of course . But that is not argued by me . But the "force" that allows the atoms to transmit the motion is of course based in electric-magnetic interactions trough the various charged elements of the interaction, ie. electrons protons etc.  

You can be fairly certain that if a phenomenon
does not involve interactions
1. within the nucleus of an atom
2.or radioactive decay (beta decay)
3. or gravity
than it is derived from the unified electromagnetic force, including its static effects. You may correctly call it EM phenomenon and resist EMR or EMR spectrum or "Wave" if you want to argue semantics  but it is EM that is the point . And it is nothing else . Nor could it be .

BTW In general relativity there is only the electric force, the magnetic force is an "illusion" created by the speed of light limit on the electric force. You can find references on Relativistic Magnetism as cited by Princeton . Wrap your mind around that one !

Now let us get back to the subject at hand . Spirit communication must be EM in nature as it is not gravity . It  is not weak or strong nuclear force .
Some humans see spirit . Some humans hear spirit . Spirit message communication is EM.

Will it be captured and displayed by technological means ?
Yes probably sooner than later .
Has it been displayed yet in a verifiable replicable scientific manner?
No it has not .
All media that has captured spirit is subject to speculation
and to the eye , ears and heart of the beholder .
It can not be proven to be spirit
and  there lies the rub.

But can a medium read over the internet ? Yes of course . I can project RTZ to their homes through it . Always ?....nope .

I can see spirit around the sitter though this medium and I can see their energy body and auric phenomenon in this manner . I can see and hear the messages of a spirit with them in this way . So can other mediums .

Can mediums  do it everytime? Yes .
But to what degree ? Is it great each time ? No.

Sometimes you feel the practice is a waste of effort or human time . It is like a kiss . You need to have both parties interested linked and capable . Otherwise it is swapping spit and nothing else .

Is it always right ? No . We do not see as accurately and objectively in this way nor do we hear well . Clairaudience across a media is always more difficult to get right than clairvoyance . We can perceive the light of spirit easier than the sound .

The conduit the medium and the sitter are some variables . The spirit the guides around them and the mediums guides are other variables . When the energy is high and the transmission is accurate it is a phenomenon worthwhile . Otherwise it is just another practice to try to develop .

I am a clairvoyant and clairaudient medium . I have 7 years of university education . I am a teacher . I have worked  as a science educator . I have tried patiently to raise or lower this concept to explain it  to the best of my ability  . I leave it to you to sort it out CaCoDeMoN . Obientot

I am going to the hot tub with my kids now :)