ouija boards plain fun or more than a game?

[kiauma]

Fear, fear, everywhere fear.  [xx(]

[Rastus]

Fear has its uses.  When I was 16, my parents were looking to buy a new house.  They pulled up to one house and I didn't want to get out of the car.  I was reluctently drug up to the front steps.  I didn't leave the living room.  There was something terribley terribly wrong with he house.  As I recall it was centered in the basement, but the basement door was repulsive to look at.  I felt something knew that I knew it was there, and it was not happy that I knew.  I also knew to be alone there would be very bad, very bad indeed.  Next time I'm out that way, I'll do a drive by, I'm curious now.

Sometimes fear is useful []

[kiauma]

Let me see if I have this straight.  I remark on the predominance of fear in this discussion, so you give me an example of your own intense fear - and have absolutely nothing fearful to show for it?  In short, you were afraid of - the fear?

Let me use a bit more mundane but concrete example.   I have had it explained to me that fear is useful because it is fear that keeps us from putting our hand in fire, for example.

I disagree.  I hardly think it takes fear to keep us from putting our hand in fire, simply the most basic understanding and appropriate caution will do that.

Fear, real fear, is a protective response.  Physiologically, it causes an emotional flood that covers pain and excites the system.   Real fear occurs when there is IMMANENT danger - such as when we see a hungry crocodile running our way, or a rattlesnake suddenly buzzes near our ankle.   That is real fear, and real response.

Different from real fear is 'psychological fear'.   This is easily distuiguished from real fear because with psychological fear there is no immanent danger, only the mind projected thought of danger.  Being afraid of a coming test one didn't study for, or afraid of meeting a bully after school (while still in school) are examples of psychological fear.   Anxiety, apprehension, nervousness, panic, restlessness, uneasiness - these are all fabrications of a mind-projected future of what MIGHT be - not real fear of imminent danger.

If you were truly so afraid and menaced by you-know-not-what behind a door, then you were truly controlled by it, because from what you have said, there was absolutely *no* danger.

Your fear, not some mystery door, is the true menace, giving an easy handle with which to control your reactions.

[kiauma]

Why the dismissal runlola?  Is that the most heartfelt response you can give - defensiveness?

Please, explain to me what you found so valuable in your book.   If you prefer, we could start a thread just to discuss it.

[James S]

Maybey for the sake of conversation we should define fear here as being "intuitive warning". If your intuition or your gut feelings raise an alarm about something, as I see was the case with Rastus' example, it's worth taking notice of.

James.

[kiauma]

When I was 16, my parents were looking to buy a new house. They pulled up to one house and I didn't want to get out of the car. I was reluctently drug up to the front steps. I didn't leave the living room. There was something terribley terribly wrong with he house. As I recall it was centered in the basement, but the basement door was repulsive to look at. I felt something knew that I knew it was there, and it was not happy that I knew. I also knew to be alone there would be very bad, very bad indeed.

quote: Maybey for the sake of conversation we should define fear here as being "intuitive warning". If your intuition or your gut feelings raise an alarm about something, as I see was the case with Rastus' example, it's worth taking notice of.

That is a very good suggestion James.  The point that comes to me, though, on reading Rastus' post above, isn't that he is describing the source of the feeling so much as his reaction to it.   Thus, he does not call the sensation a warning, but says that "...to be alone there would be very bad, very bad...", indicating not so much 'danger' as fear.

It is entirely possible that extreme caution or even avoiding the house altogether was entirely appropriate and warrented, but without even a cursory investigation, and only his reactionary emotions to justify his choice, I think that says far more about Rastus.

 

[Rastus]

Excellant responces everyone.

Let me point out that I was 16 at the time, and I didn't have a lot of confidence or experience.  I knew something made me, and only me afraid, for no reason that I could explain.  My parents liked the house and I said basically "NO WAY!".  Is a 16 year old newbie up to something much more involved than banishing an astral spider?

Today I wouldn't give it a second thought (although the wife+kids may stay upstairs while I check out the basement).

So what's the real point?  Experience.  It's good to know when your in over your head, so to speak.  Knowing when to get (or ask) help is a skill many people lack.

[kiauma]

Well said Rastus.  Very well said.  []

[Reality]

That's an interesting story runlola. Looks like you hooked up with a bunch of selfish spirits?

Some say, when playing such games, 'like attracts like'. How true do you think that is?


(by the way I wouldn't be scared for a crocodile []

[Veccolo]

quote:Originally posted by Reality

Some say, when playing such games, 'like attracts like'. How true do you think that is?

I just want to give my 2 cents on this "rule".

"Like attracts like" is considered to be an "universal law" which applies to everything and everyone - pure BS imho. This rule might apply in some cases (if one does seek for "evil", for example, he/she will most likely find it), but not in every single one. Did a baby which is murdered attract the killer? Hmm!

So either this rule is not as universal as it is "taught", or it means there are no completely "good"/"evil" persons out there, which makes this rule useless.

[kiauma]

You raise a very good point Veccolo, one which has been raised repeatedly on this forum, and I think it was time it was dealt with.

There are other laws too.  The law of Karma, and the law of free will, to name two.

Interestingly, when discussing these laws, people will use one to refute the other.  One argument says that if Karma is real, then we do not have free will - disregarding how we collect Karma in the first place.  Alternatively, Like-attracts-Like can not be true if babies are being horribly murdered.  Another one is that there are no accidents, that everything is part of some divine plan.  Should such evil as the holocaust be part of a divine plan?  "Certainly that can't be!" they cry, and question their very spiritual existance.

Get real folks.  The universe is a complex place.  We have free will, and we suffer (or enjoy) consequence.   Like does attract like.  This is a law, however it should be kept in mind just when this law applies and when another law takes precedence.  Just like the laws of physics, there are many, for various situations.  

Does a baby or young child deserve to be tortured or murdered?  Personally, I feel the basis of nonjudgementalism is both that Karma is unknowable and that no one 'deserves' to suffer, but for the sake of argument I will agree that certainly innocence should not suffer, and should not attract evil.

Free will says we can do what we want, within our constraints of ability.  The murdered could have something to do with his murder, through Karma, antagonism, or other circumstance, or maybe not.  It is all very individual case by case.  If you think about it, the case of evil killing the innocent most likely isn't about the innocent, but is all about the murderer.  It is the murderer who will suffer the consequences, and those around the victime will also be affected, each in their own individual drama and path.

It is a complex tapestry being woven, in weaves both straight and winding, and each of us is but a single thread, hardly aware of the rest of the threads, or the greater pattern woven, or even that there is a cloth - but there certainly is.

[Veccolo]

The general idea of this law, as I understood it, was (is), that we only ecounter persons with a similiar attitude. So the baby who is killed must have had a similiar attitude the murderer has, otherwise they hadn't attracted each other. This confused me.

So the "like attracts like"-law applies to the actions we make? Let's make a simple example: If I beat someone up, this person will probably hate me. So according to the law, my "evil" actions (beating him up) attracts the "evil" of this other person (his hatred). That'd make more sense.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[GANAMOHA]

what if you put on a necklace of garlic cloves would that stop them lol[]

[kiauma]

Yes; "...we only ecounter persons with a similiar attitude..." is highly exagerrated.

Variety is the spice of life.  Another cliche' is "Birds of a feather flock together" which is more of what I am getting at.   People of like energies tend to attract one another.  This is hardly a barrier to interacting with others, or randomly comitting grievances (or kindnesses) to each other.

I love garlic.  

[Risu no Kairu]

Yarrr. How can it be that like attracts if opposites attracts? (Ah you know? Two steps forward, two steps back. We'll stick together cuz opposites attact.)

[kiauma]

Everything came from the light, and so everything goes back to the light.

Like attracting like is a matter of familiarity, of synergistic resonance in karma and energy.  Opposites attracting is a matter of complimentarity, which is another form of synergistic resonance.

Like all spiritual diads, they are simply two sides of the same coin.

[Reality]

Stay practical please.

Let's just put it straight. If an '***hole' were to play with an ouija board would he have a higher chance to encounter a psycho spirit then a loving spirit who really can help!

Your thoughts are welcome [|)] [|)] [|)]

Reality[8D]

Profanity Reality..please?? Thanks, Nay

[Veccolo]

quote: If an '***hole' were to play with an ouija board would he have a higher chance to encounter a psycho spirit then a loving spirit who really can help!

Maybe the ***hole wanted a psycho spirit for his evil purposes? This would help him too

[GANAMOHA]

lol sorry i just found that funny[]



[8D]+[:X]=[]+[:X]=[]baby

[GANAMOHA]

hellloooooo is anyone there to chat about the subject? so if you were horny would your spirit be also? srry about the rude question do u think and would it be a guy or woman[]

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by GANAMOHA

hellloooooo is anyone there to chat about the subject? so if you were horny would your spirit be also? srry about the rude question do u think and would it be a guy or woman[]

lol.....[]

why don't you try it for us, we'il heal your aura in case things get nasty [|)]

I'm expecting a report tommorow.

sorry nay, I thought it was okay to leave the reference to an ***hole uncensured[]

[narfellus]

In reference to an earlier post about the Holocaust, here is my take, and please feel free to disagree, you have Free Will!

All that exists in the material world was first planned/created in the spiritual. Our "reality" is really the lesser of many higher, much more real dimensions that are easier to understand once you live there.  The mortal plane where we are now seems confusing, horrifying, and violent because that is the interpretation of most humans at this time. And Like attracts Like (there are also similar places of horror in the lower astral realms for lost souls, but these are still just projections of human confusion)

So, as the great spirit beings you/we are, we decided before incarnating that there were certain Lessons we wanted to learn or experience. Now, let's talk about Hitler's soul. i've never heard of anyone trying to channel Hitler, and i'm not sure what would happen if one tried. If you expected to get a demon, you'd probably WOULD get a demon calling itself Hitler, whether it was the real one or not.

When Hitler died (according to my beliefs, mind you, not some inside knowledge) he probably went through a difficult transitory period. Meaning that his belief system while ALIVE and his spiritual negligence and hate and anger put him in a similar frame of mind after death (and he also committed suicide, meaning he lost his current chance at earthly Lesson, not that it would have really mattered by that point.)

So, for a time i think, Hitler was in a form of "hell." A lower astral realm removed from God, because as Free Will dictates, God lets us have whatever we want, even absense from him (and also a drive to FIND him) (and please excuse the Him/her/It, i just do Him for brevity)

Eventually Hitler's soul would realize he was tired of suffering, and go into the light, or a lightworker of some sort would lead him away. OR, maybe he's still wandering there in a timeless place, i just don't know, but i DO KNOW it won't last forever (in human linear terms)

Now, going back to Hitler's soul BEFORE he was born, and the 12 million souls who died BEFORE they were born, they all knew each other in a great karmic, star karmic, group karmic plan. They chose to use themselves as lessons not only to their own soul, but as lessons to others on Earth. The Holocaust was HORRIBLE, BRUTAL, mind bendingly unbearable, and it jolted the human race into realizing what it could do to itself. Humans were stagnating again, they weren't LEARNING fast enough. The 9/11 jolt was similar but on a smaller scale, but it showed people how much unnecessary hatred there is in the world, and we need to stop it (without more violence, as Like only attracts Like, as we know)

This might sound harsh and uncaring from God's point of view, but we all ARE GOD, tiny pieces of God, broken down into billions and trillions and googillions of parts and sentience across a wide multiverse, with the lower vibratory species, 3rd and 4th (human) deep in our duality with NO IDEA WE ARE GOD. The pain we suffer as mortals is a WILLING pain we WANTED to suffer as spirit, if for no other purpose than to practice with tools to overcome the pain and help our fellow species.

The better we get with the tools, we grow as a spirit, and we teach others to grow with us. As we as humans grow as a species, planet Earth (our mother that fosters us in EVERY way) grows as well, and her vibration speeds up too. As a planet and a species, this means that on a global and galatic scale we are evolving, and it is natural, but WE CAN STILL DESTROY OURSELVES.

Yes, certain events are planned ahead of time in spirit, but once incarnated we use Free Choice to either achieve those plans or not. No one prompts us to do anything, and we are not punished for not doing anything. Hitler was NOT punished by God for killing 12 million people, but Hitler had to hold himself accountable for his actions.

I admit, it is a confusing process because we are born with an implant that blocks all knowledge of our origin. Part of our earthly existense is to find ways to bypass the block and realize our True Selves. Whatever lessons Hitler failed to learn in life, he would/did/will reincarnate and have the chance to learn them again, and here's the kicker, possibly with some of the souls he killed because they were in a karmic family.

Lastly, in sum, i don't think there is predestination so to speak, not in the way many people think of it. We create our realities simply by our thoughts, just like God created us instantly by thinking about us. We create our realities slower because we are contricted by Time, which is an illusion. An illusion put in place deliberately by God to give us time to learn how to use our tools, see how they work, and then modify the results slowly.

[narfellus]

oh yeah, and don't mess with ouija boards. You MIGHT get a nice spirit, but you might not.

[GANAMOHA]

hitler took a lot of drugs and steiroids toimprove his awareness which help him win at first but then he got to much of it and went crazy and couldnt talk anymore because his body just pretty much shutdown and he died

[aryanknight666]

So what if you don't get a "nice spirit"? what are you going to do about it? have a cry? hopefully not, hopefully you will have the sense in you not to be effected by anything it says or does. The best way to combat a disruptive, irritating or "3vol!!!!1111" spirit is  to treat it like a joke, brushing aside anything it says or does or laughing it off. Insulting it will help too.
Really, a Ouija board is just a cheap peice of wood with some letters painted on it. It is not the Ouija board that does anything; its you. Its like channeling a spirit and putting a stick to dirt for something to be spelt out. Does the stick or the dirt have anything to do with it? No, obviously you are the one doing the channeling.
There is no point in trying to destroy the planchette or the board. These stories immediatley picking up the glass and throwing it at the wall or taking the board into the backyard and breaking it with a hammer after getting something like "Stick it slut" or "abracadbra" are simply laughable. Would a chill run up your spine and a blood curdling scream echoe from you mouth if someone walked up to you and said "you're an ugly slut. Leave me alone".
I would hope not.
Narfellus, that was an interesting post you made. I USED to be like you before I was a satanist, but I now have problems with throwing the judeao-christian god into fringe occult theories and westernised vesions of buddhist/hindu karma and reincarnation.
No, this is not the place to discuss this (but I am glad to if you want to) but saying that 12 million people, jewish or not, were exterminated in around 3 years, is outrageous. Saying 6 million jews were exterminated is bad enough when there were only 5.5 million jews in pre-holocaust europe (and that is not a .5 margine of error considering there are about 3 million "survivors"), and I understand the 12 million is the non-jews added on, but remember only handi-capped people were going to be given euthenasia and that had to be called off, I think after killing 100 000 or something but still, there is no evidence to support this. It would take 68 years to exterminate 6 million people. People try to refute this by saying they stuffed so many people into one room that it was filled to the ceiling without any gaps, but in that case you would not be able to gas them. Anyway, I think what they used to say was they jumped into pits of fire? this gas chamber thing is kind of new. Have you seen the showers where they were supposedly gased? there's like a ten inch gap under the door, meaning the gas would leak out and infect the whole camp. The gas they supposedly used was zyclon B, an insecticide. A forensic scientist studying the gas once visited auswitchz and took a sample from a wall, finding only minimal amounts of zyklon B. It takes alot of zyklon B to poision a human being, there was barely enough here for insecticide. According to the camps' medical records typhus was running rampart, and they were shaving everyone's heads in the camp including the nazi's to get rid of lice and they were putting the hair, pillow cases and other infected items into areas to be sprayed with zyclon B. Pictures of so called mass-graves show bodies lying there clothed in army uniforms, this is because it was a pile of dead bodies who had died of typhus (there should be 6 foot ball feilds of dead bodies if 6 millon people died, if they were cremated, there should be ashes, and no you would not be able to get rid of it by using it as fertiliser). I'm not denying there were concentration camps but I simply go with the facts and the evidence. The death toll for jewish people during the war, WORLD-WIDE, is one and a half million, for all causes.