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lol please tell me your not serious! [V] if this may be a joke...it is very weak...[V]
*Cough cough conspiracy cough cough* [|)]
Put it in a pipe and smoke it ! [^]
Hi,
In my opinion, deliberately deceiving someone and wasting their time under the guise of false intentions and recording their conversations without their consent seems both immoral and unhealthy to me. [:(]
--Soulfire
Dear Soulfire,
This whole situation is long past 'nicety'. Both sides are deeply dug in to their trenches. The deeper one trench is dug, the deeper the opposing trench becomes. Egos are stirred on both side and away we go. For ego cares about nothing except itself. That the situation would ever be allowed to go this far is mind boggling. I am not talking about banning anyone. I am talking about spiritual people realizing what they have created. A very nasty environment.
This is not spirituality. The man whom all this circles around, Mayatnik, is unwilling to step into the forefront and deal with the situation directly. He made a big announcement...The truth shall be known...of course there will be reaction to this. If he returned and admitted to just a few mistakes I would have more respect for him. If he would face what he has started I would have more respect for him. If he would help calm the emotions of this situation I would have more respect. I could never start something like this and then just leave such a mess behind me. Thus, the emotional drainage increases for all members and Astral Pulse is dragged down in the process.
Regards,
timeless
quote:
Really, this little war is growing immensely sad. Now that I see even Squeek emotionally investing in the situation it truly is.
I was always involved, everybody just ignores my posts [|)]
It is a sad battle, I will agree with you on that. But only because people fail to see the views of the "other team". I'm trying to stick with one side while taking all posts into consideration, but with all the arguing it just makes it that much harder.
I must ask this, right now.
What is the main debate here?
If I get 2 posts telling me 2 different things then the entire debate should me called off ON THE SPOT. This is just what I think will happen [:)]
~Squeek
Assuming it is not a hoax by the either the protagonists or some lower astral entities pulling their legs:
The whole Zeta/Paleadian deal has been handeled poorly by those involved. Simple awnsers are the best. But when one asks these people a question you get long winded awnser that end up sounding like political jargon (i.e. lots of words, little substance). Plus all the doomsaying turned me off. I have not read their posts in 2 weeks. I guess I'd like an executive summary without all the C-SPAN-like details.
So that would be my challenge to the ones involved in these excahnges:
Put the whole agenda into a 500 to 1000 word summary. If this whole thing is for real, you should be able to put in an abridge format. If the UN can do it, anyone can.
Dear Squeek,
Actually, I read your posts. But I had no issue with them. You had a very open but healthy view in my opinion. Only very recently have I seen deeper emotion set in.
For me the debate is not over using a pendulum. It is not over the fact that Mayatnik had some valuable things to say. It is not over whether Mayatnik is in contact with other worldly entities.
I stayed out of this situation a long time. I let it play out. Maybe I should have gotten involved earlier. I don't know. When I took issue was when:
(1) I asked people to double check who they were talking to and got well you know... In my experience there is zero harm in questioning who is at the other end of the phone line. But when there was malcontent for saying this I grew concerned. But again I left people to sort it out for themselves since this topic held little interest for me.
(2) Then I saw that a war was being created. Highly spiritual beings would not allow such things to happen. Edgar Cayce easily put peoples doubts to rest. He could read the Akashic records. But Edgar was a very spiritual man who hated arguements and did not let his staff argue. Now I realized there was a huge problem. For me this is a big issue and debate. That you are wrong to question who is on the other end of the line. From what I have seen and what I have experienced (not just in this forum) I hold great doubt who is there for many...not all.
(3) And my biggest issue with this is that it is not yeilding a spiritual environment, so something is definitely wrong and it takes two to tangle.
Regards,
timeless
Just to let you know, I have asked plenty of questions that would verify any of the statements you just posted about.
I'm always a little bit skeptical about anything. It's human nature to be that way. Don't think for a minute that I or any of us would rush into this blindly and not think of the possible outcomes. I have thoroughly evaluated any and all possiblity that I can find. Don't worry about me! [:D]
~Squeek
Hi,
It really is not possible to verify or prove who is on the other end of the line. You can ask, but if the person on the other end is decietful, any answer you might get from them is suspect.
So let me bring my person experiences into this discussion. I have been developing my telepathy as well. I do not have a personal "guide" yet, not am I particularly worried about it. Sometimes I do receive messages from what I perceive to be a temporary "teacher guide" and on occasion even messages from other beings who "feel distinct and different" from the "teacher". I would estimate that 70% of what I receive does not feel like it comes from an outside "entity", but rather is pulled through to my consciousness by my higher self from various sources. Furthermore, although it is difficult to describe, I realize most of what I am receiving now I have received at various times throughout my life before I ever began practicing this. It was just much more rare and I was less conscious of it. I even recognize the "feel" of the "teacher" from many previous times in my life when I had valuable insights. I could go into a lot more detail here, but I am not sure that would really be productive.
What is critical to me is this: How loving and supportive is the material that I receive to both myself and the people around me? I can only say here that everything I have received since I became consciously aware of my telepathic ability has been of the highest possible quality I could ever imagine or ask for. The information is totally honest with me about things I need to work on, while still being loving and supportive and encouraging. When I get information involving someone else, it is alwasy uplifting and encouraging. I even get advice on how best to present any information to whom it is intended in a way for it to be as accurate as possible, but also in a very precise manner which can not interfere with their free will or allow somebody to avoid their lessons or misuse the information. I could go on and on here, and if anybody has specific questions I will answer them as honestly as I possibly can.
I have made ZERO effort to focus on the "alien" aspect that is often focused on here, and nobody here or "on the other side" has encouraged me to do so. There has been no agenda other than to teach what I ask to learn and offer help to people who would possibly be open to that help through me. My policy so far is that I judge the "quality" of who I am talking to rather that trying to place a label on them. I evaluate everything I receive according to my beliefs and common sense, and I will continue to do so. Thus far, I cannot even begin to explain how wonderful this experience has been for me.
Yes, Mayatnik and Edi helped me learn how to open this door. Neither of them has asked anything of me in return. They do not even care that my personal interest is not focused on Aliens or the pole shift. You can call me a "disciple" if you want to I guess, but I am the same person I have been since I got here, for better or worse. Nobody "chose" me, nobody "assigned" anything to me, I simple asked and they were willing to freely share with me what I asked of them.
I say all this with the intention of letting you see my personal experiences and evaluate them for yourselves. If I can answer any further questions about my personal experiences, I will be happy to do so. I am not speaking for the Zeta or Pleiadians or anybody else except myself. God bless... [:)]
--Soulfire
chill.. if you are serious lol (as far as i know you from reading your posts you are) :) why are you looking for SOMEONE and not DO IT yourself ? Are you ashame to lower yourself at something this muddy ?
I am asking you ? Why don`t you do it yourself ?
Don`t say you havent`t thought about it ! LOL :P
Squeek.. everybody says only good things about you, but they ignore me :P this is not fair :P
LOL - you asked what the debate is about.. uhh it is about uhhh If Edward, Edi and others are really chatting with aliens and if they are if the aliens intentions are good... this is the reason.. i think.. :) - i think you knew the reasons but wanted more to remind others what are they fighting for :) well i hope this will work
Mike.. |\/| | |< |E
Dear Squeek,
The thing is we are all different. What convinces one person does not convince another. Why? Simply because we are all different -- nothing personal.
People will question and people will question even more when they see arguements, ego and other negativity surrounding something. We need to let people question and not take it personally. We need to respect we are all different. If this attitude had been deeply instill right from the beginning would this whole mess turned out differently? I don't know.
All I know is a lot of people have been deeply hurt on both sides (which made the trenches even deeper) and faith lost all round. When things turn out like this please understand that people will be concerned about the Source. People who have worked with the esoteric are very cautious. Remember Robert Bruce's thoughts on all this. I agree with him. Things can look wonderful at first but when one digs a little deeper we can discover something we did not expect. Unfortunately by the time something wrong is detected we maybe in too deep -- especially if we have made deep emotional investment and/or ego is involved (these concern me most) and even later identity wrapped up in the situation. Unfortunately all this arguing has likely increased the risk of this not lessened it.
Regards,
timeless
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Originally posted by timeless
(2) Then I saw that a war was being created. Highly spiritual beings would not allow such things to happen. Edgar Cayce easily put peoples doubts to rest. He could read the Akashic records. But Edgar was a very spiritual man who hated arguements and did not let his staff argue. Now I realized there was a huge problem. For me this is a big issue and debate. That you are wrong to question who is on the other end of the line. From what I have seen and what I have experienced (not just in this forum) I hold great doubt who is there for many...not all.
(3) And my biggest issue with this is that it is not yeilding a spiritual environment, so something is definitely wrong and it takes two to tangle.
The above statements are only true if you believe that negativity is "bad" and that "good" beings won't let those "bad" things happen.
I suggest the possibility that EVERYTHING is spiritual. Everything that happens is a simple flow of energy that is occuring in such a way as to teach everyone involved what they personally need to learn by whatever means are most appropriate to them as individuals. Sometimes "negative" energy has more instructional value than "positive" energy. If you look closely, you will see both "negative" and "positive" energy working together here right now. I can see many very clear ways in which the "negativity" manifesting on this forum is actually quite beneficial when perceived from a higher perspective. Note that I did
not understand this until just today.
Secondly, it is my experience that "higher" beings to not "dis-allow" ANYTHING. Even God (in my opinion the
highest being) gives us
complete free will. I would suggest the alternate possibility that to whatever extent a being
didn't "allow" anything "negative" to happen, that they are not "higher" beings at all.
--Soulfire
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Originally posted by timeless
Dear Soulfire,
Free will is one thing.
People acting without spirituality is another. Like attracts like in my opinion. We attract the energy we propogate.
Your post is precisely why I am concerned. When an entity gets all upset when you may decide not to communicate with it (James's case) there is something not quite right. In my experience a spirit will respect your wishes and leave when you ask it without any fuss or debate. There is too much emotion around all this.
Respectfully,
timeless
My point is that it is not really possible (in my opinion) to act without spirituality. It is possible to act with negativity, but even negativity has a constructive purpose when it is understoood from a level that is higher than personal judgement.
Regarding James' situation, all I can say is I have strong reason to believe that things are
not what they appear based on the information you currently have available to you. If I am wrong, and the situation as he described is a complete and accurate analysis of all the "energies" and "intentions" involved in that situation, then I would be the first to agree with you that "something is rotten in Denmark".
All I can say is that it is James' situation and he will do what is right for him. It is my sincere hope that as he navigates through this situation, that he will come back and share with us a more complete version of the story as he comes to understand it. Of course that is up to him, but I believe should he choose to do so, that there will be a lesson in there for all of us. Only time will tell if I am correct. [:)]
--Soulfire
Dear Soulfire,
We function on different perceptions, which is fine. We are different.
All I ask is people understand why there is concern on the part of some and hoping that people understand it is okay for me to remain unconvinced and concerned.
I leave you all hoping for the best.
timeless
Just a reminder, only one person has answered my question. I need alot more than one person to answer my question for my analysis...I mean...uhh...
Here's the question again.
"What is the main debate here?"
TimeLess answered it. Shouldn't you?
~Squeek
Oh yea, if by some far out chance I failed to read your reply to my question, my apologies. Just gotta tell me if you did.
Hi Squeek,
I do not feel we need to debate anything? I am just exploring, watching, and seeing what happens. [:)]
--Soulfire
In my opinion "the debate" is not so much over the validity of the contact or the anger that has ensued from all angles because of it, but of it is about peoples beliefs. When you start messing with a persons beliefs things get messy fast. People can become fanatical extreamly fast. And as many of us here know, a fanatical is the worst spiritualist.
I have sat here participating but not really making any comments of anyones actions. I have watched as people on both sides changed from a stance of open mindedness to that of a fanatical zealot. All this because thier beliefs came into question.
We were asked to accept the possibility of the impossible. Our beliefs were challanged, but in turn we asked the same, and challanged the beliefs of others.
The questions that were asked of us and that we asked of others forced everyone to take a long look at what they believe. The anger and rage that showed up did so because people don't like change, and we have all been changed. But we long for how we were, it is easier to see yourself how you were instead of how you are. The fear of not wanting to see ourselves for who we are drove us into to becoming something even worse and more difficult to look at, and the battle begain.
But we weren't really fighting with each other, but with ourselves, our own beliefs. I doubt there are many here that are willing to say that they are no longer the person they were, that they have changed. I will not name anyone but there are several people here that I have held in high reguard. Thier wisdom, friendliness, and willingness to share is matched by very few people I have met. I was over-whelmed by how many of them I found in one place.
But all things change and so do people. But with change comes the possibilty to grow, to evolve into something better than we were. Change allows us to have a wider and greater understanding of the world around us. It is not some thing to be feared and attacked, nor is it something that we can run from.
My only hope is that everyone sees the change that has taken place, accepts that it happened, learns from it, and become better people because of it.
Squeek - i told you what the debate is about :P
You little...
Mike
Eh... It doesn't even matter anymore... I just wanted to put a stop to it, and that happened anyway...sooo yay [:P]
~Squeek
Done deal.
You'll have the report by the end of the month.
Don't hold your breath. It will not be very exciting. It will contain nothing that will change your life. It might change your mind though.
The only thing that surprised us is that Mayatnik IS a nice guy.
Suffers from paranoia, but he's genuine, although not sincere. He lies, but he believes that it's for a good cause. He really means well. He believes that he has a mission.
It's when he gets into discussions about 'society' that he gets the more irrational. He's troubled and bitter - which is o.k. - but the problem is when he becomes incoherent.
He might be contact with 'something', but not always, as he claims.
Actually he might not be in contact with anything at all now.
That's just our guess : he might have been in contact with something in the past, or more simply put, he might have distinctly heard voices, then lost that 'contact' partly or entirely.
GUESSING : First he might have been less careful. His transcripts were less accurate or he filled in some blanks. He did this consciously, he realized that he was lying (about the source) more often than not, as most of the times the communication was cut off. After a while, he decided, rationalized that it did no harm, as he believes in what he says, and is VERY careful to be vague enough when he actually doesn't know or 'hear' anything.
He doesn't mean to do harm. So he will not 'make up' anything precise when he doesn't hear the voices : his channeling will be vague, and since he has much experience with counselling, psychology, the human psyche and how it can be easily manipulated, he knows what to say and how to say it.
He genuinely wants to help 'humanity' against Society.
It's a genuine and quite simplistic case of 'Humanity' VERSUS 'Society'.
Our guess is that he's grown to feel quite special over the years because of his counselling work and channeling.
On MSM he comes through as having a very strong ego. He's more than a little touchy. Although he will never admit to have any psychological flaw. Or to be impatient even. Or to get 'passionate' about something, at any time.
Also : the Pleiadians and Zetas cannot read ANYONE's mind. And they have ABOLSULETELY NO acess to personnal information about anyone. They can't even guess your age, or where you're from, your gender, and much less your name. They are clueless. So no need to worry. They can't do any remote viewing whatsoever either.
So Mayatnik is a nice guy.
If you get into discussing anything about society (I am not even talking about any particular 'government', but 'society' in general, as a concept, and it - 'Society' - means a lot to Mayatnik), you should be careful if you are naturally distrustful and are isolated.
He might convince you to isolate yourself even further, which, in our opinion, is not a very healthy attitude (obviously). Analyse very carefully what he says when he gets into a speach about society : you will see that much of what he says makes no logical sense. Don't try to argue with him, be polite, and let him 'have it', and take notes.
Also don't worry that he could 'contact' you on an astral plane, pin you down in the universe and harm you, his beings (if they exist) are clueless about you - unless, well...
We can only speak from the point of view of the investigation that has been done.
The full report is for later.
(It's quite boring actually).
Hello Chill,
Allow me here to offer you my thanks if you will. Thank you for being the person you are and thank you for showing me much about myself. You see, our feelings and reactions towards others shows us much about ourselves. It did take me a while but in this respect I did learn much from you. I am gratefull for the opportunity you presented me with.
With regards to your report I look forward to reading it, provided it is honest which I am sure it will be. Our opinions on these matters still differ I imagine but opinions are not what is important. Personal experience however leads me to disagree with you on the following ('They' meaning the Pleiadians or Zeta);
quote:
They can't do any remote viewing whatsoever either.
Other than that well I guess I'll hang on untill the end of the month for your full report.[:)]
With regards,
Dave
PERSON WANTED
We need someone impartial that will undertake a mission as a journalist – with the goal of providing us with a report.
REQUIREMENTS
- Rock-solid belief system
- Journalistic mindset (do not get emotionnally involved).
- Good writing skills (read On Writing Well – an excellent book on writing non-fiction).
YOUR MISSION
- Chat with Mayatnik on MSM. Sweet-talk him into assigning you a quote Pleiadian guide unqote. A quote Zeta unquote will do as well.
- Save on file all interactions with Mayatnik – you will need those to write your final report.
- Pretend to everyone (including the members of this forum) that you are acting in good faith. In other words, hide your true motives : your mission has to remain TOP CONFIDENTIAL until the end.
- DO NOT TRY TO contact the quote Pleiadian Guide unquote or quote Zeta unquote. PRETEND that you are hearing a voice.
- Befriend the devotees. Chat with Edi, Want Some Rice ?, Valérie, and whoever else. Act as needed so that they confide in you. Save every e-mail and chat sessions on file.
- Do not question, do not challenge – or rather minimally at the beginning as to not arouse suspicion.
- After 4 weeks of this (you can pretend that you have become a channeler by the third day or the end of the first week, you decide when the time is ripe), stop all communication (cyber communication), sit down and write your analysis.
- Change all the user names, as to protect the innocent.
- Deliver your report to this board.
As to make sure that no more then one person (or two let's say) undertakes the mission, please submit your application to me through e-mail.