Pleiadian-Zeta Nonsense

[Nay]

I just don't understand why ppl can't believe what they want to believe???  Who are we to tell them to stop?  Is it really hurting you or anyone else?  And why the attack all of a sudden?  I haven't seen you around lately and this is your big come back?

I am just getting real tired of some ppl telling others that their beliefs suck and they are wasting their time..[] I mean, who made ya'll the experts on everything?  And I just don't mean on this subject either....

I am sure I will get flamed for this..but eh..don't care anymore.  Heck I am leary of posting anymore of my experiences, for someone will come along and say.."NO..NO..that is all wrong, what you're experencing is false!"  And please, no one post..Nay, your Ego is taking control!  I am sure it is..when I am a little angry and fed-up, well..I get angry and fed-up!  

I am thinking there are some ppl whom need to come down from their ivory towers and stop trying to belittle others..

Nay.[]

[Nagual]

quote:I just don't understand why ppl can't believe what they want to believe???

The thing is, when you post your "beliefs" or some truths on a forum and try to make people "join", you should be ready to defend these beliefs/truths...  You can't just expect people to blindly agree with everything you say, and follow you.  Even more on such "unusual" topics...

quote:someone will come along and say.."NO..NO..that is all wrong, what you're experencing is false!"

You should replace "what you're experencing" by "your interpretation of your experience".  I will never question (unless he is lying) that someone had an experience; but I might question is interpretation of that experience...

I am personaly not fond of the whole starships "visions"; even more in the astral...  The idea is too "human".  Why would energetical beings need to use machines to travel?  Again, I don't question they did have  an experience, but I question their interpretations...

But, I know the feeling; I met some very skeptical people, and it's very frustrating for both...

Oh, and... Nay, your Ego is taking control! [][]

[TruthSeeker]

There is more to it than what you see here on this post.
I will not comment on this post publically more than I do here.
I reccommend you not to take what is written here for granted(as allways), and I hope to be able to solve this with Cezyl himself.

Have a nice evening everyone!

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
TruthSeeker

[beavis]

There will always be incorrect communications. Some arent communications at all. Some are lies. And some are real.

[Nay]

quote:The thing is, when you post your "beliefs" or some truths on a forum and try to make people "join", you should be ready to defend these beliefs/truths... You can't just expect people to blindly agree with everything you say, and follow you. Even more on such "unusual" topics...

yeah,yeah, I know..but what I am saying if ppl want to believe or "join" as you call it (even tho I don't think anywhere does it say, join us or else) it is up to them! what gives you the right to become the parent? It is only the ppl who are negative about the whole thing, feel the need for these ppl to defend themselves.  It is like a ugly tug of war.. "be on my side, no be on my side!"

quote:You should replace "what you're experencing" by "your interpretation of your experience". I will never question (unless he is lying) that someone had an experience; but I might question is interpretation of that experience...

Well, DUH! when I speak of a experience I am telling of my interpretation of it..lol  When I say I had a projection last night and someone says.."no you didn't, that was just a lucid dream"  Once again just saying, how do they know it wasn't real?.. they weren't there, I was.  If I feel is was a projection, then it was! I go with my first instinct.  Even tho there have been books written on the subject, I think there is much, much more than we all know.. There could be sooooo many different ways, perhaps we will never know the "whole" of it.  And really there are only a hand full of books on the subject, compared to all the ppl whom are out there and having their experiences, I am inclined to think there is alot more to it.  We all want to get to from point A to point B, there has got to be more than just a few ways to get there. [^]

Nay.

[TruthSeeker]

Problem solved..

Have a nice evening!

Regards,
TruthSeeker

[James S]

Nay,

Very nicely put![^]
Your last comment about there being more than one way to get from point A to point B really sums it up beautifully.

[]
James.

[Tab]

Nobody has explained to me yet why Zetatalk has no idea what a lens flare is.
Hello.

[Squeek]

Heya Tab:

Yea, I did read your post...  I didn't really feel like replying, but eh, I will now.

I saw that picture too...  Well, let me put it to you this way.  When an artist makes a painting or a sculpture, sometimes only the artist knows what the frik it is.  Any other person just finds it a waste of time.  Personally, I thought that the picture was just the sun behind some clouds and the rays protruding from the top of the cloud.  Everybody sees everything differently...

You don't always have to believe everything that's written on a website. []

~Squeek

[wantsumrice]

whoa whoa whoa whoa....i already spoke to cezyl about this. we all just needa chill. i hope he knows what was offensive in his post, but i dont expect him to change it. i dont mind if ppl just kick my beliefs in its butt, b/c they do have the right to do it and no one can stop them...but i like to talk to them afterwards and just solve be happy

love be with all
~ivan

[Tab]

quote:Originally posted by Squeek

Heya Tab:

Yea, I did read your post...  I didn't really feel like replying, but eh, I will now.

I saw that picture too...  Well, let me put it to you this way.  When an artist makes a painting or a sculpture, sometimes only the artist knows what the frik it is.  Any other person just finds it a waste of time.  Personally, I thought that the picture was just the sun behind some clouds and the rays protruding from the top of the cloud.  Everybody sees everything differently...

You don't always have to believe everything that's written on a website. []

~Squeek

I'm not talking about one picture, it's every pic on the page. They're all lense flares.. like.. blatantly so. It's pretty comical to read though "OMfG ITS TEH{APLANETX INCOEMING WOW LOOK AT THAT SPLOTCH OF LIGHT"

[James S]

These days photographic evidence should never be used to try and prove something, esp something so out of the ordinary. Even photos of ordinary subjects are no longer permissable as evidence in a court.

So, who wants to grab this photo and use Photoshop to superimpose a nice piccie of say the USS Voyager or maybe a Borg cube in this photo? Could be made to look very real if done properly.

Photos of people's experiences are no more conclusive than their testemonials. You will either choose to believe them or you won't. There's no real point in either side expending energy trying to defend their position.

James.

[MJ-12]

sd

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Ok i've already talked to Cezyl about this, but i'd like to make a contribution to this post.

I think Cezyl has some good points. His post might be a bit of a wake-up to some users who are falling into this whole thing without taking a step back and observing. The best thing to do is to remain objective about the subject. It's not a good idea to just run into this and start believing everything that is being said. This has been stated clearly a number of times, and if you go to the questions thread you'll see in the topic opener that Mayatnik makes this very point. By the way, i'm not accusing anybody of doing that.

However, i also don't think it's a good idea to just simply forget about it for what ever reason. It's better to keep an eye on the proceedings of something this important rather than turn your back on it completely.

I do believe there are Extra-Terrestrials out there. At the moment i'm still undecided about what's going on here, but i am keeping an eye on it with interest. I don't think the people here who are performing this telepathy are purposely trying to decieve us, but that doesn't mean it's all true.

Everybody needs to make up their own minds about what's going on here. Be an observer and make up your own mind.

Well that's all i'm going to say for now.

[Soulfire]

quote:Originally posted by Cezyl

And it seems like much ego gratification, for why not teach people to have contact THEMSELVES rather than need an audience to watch all this shiznit. Why is Mayatnik needed for TruthSeeker to have an 'accurate' connection to his own guide. Anyone looking for reality can easily see through this.

Well I don't know the details of what happened with this whole incident, but I do have a few points (as quoted above) that I would like to address:

Mayatnik, Edi, and Parmenion have taught quite a few people here who requested to learn to contact the guides and/or Zeta themselves.  The question and answer format is a tool for people who do not wish to make the necessary investment to learn how to make this personal contact and who would still like to have questions answered.

Mayatnik is not "needed" to ensure an accurate connection with anybody's guide.  This "telepathy connection" is a skill like any other, and it improves with practice.  The people you see who have somebody oversee or verify the accuracy of these sessions are the people who are new to this telepathy (like myself).  In my case having Edi oversee my first connection with the Zeta was a blessing, because I was unsure of myself and my ability to receive the information correctly.  Having my information validated by an external source freed me from the concern that I would make a mistake and provide inaccurate answers, which would reflect badly on the Zetas and possibly mislead the people who chose to read my transcript.  It's like when you first learn to drive a car, until you are proficient and confident, you usually have a more experienced driver ride with you.

Is all this guide and Zeta stuff legitimate?  I honestly don't know yet.  I know I have had some truly amazing experiences.  I have received some extremely useful information, some of it I have been able to validate and some I have not.  So far nothing I have personally experienced has been harmful in any way I have been able to perceive or been proven fraudulent.  

Does any of this prove my experiences are infallible or beyond doubt?  Of course not!  I think the moment you lose or give up the ability to question the validity of anything, you become a fool.  So far however, I have received more than enough validation that is satisfactory to ME personally that I wish to pursue the relationshio with my guide further.  The friendship and love shown to me (and others around me) by my guide and the people who have helped me learn to develop this telepathy has equalled or exceeded anything I have experienced from anybody else I have ever had a relationship with.  For me, that is saying a LOT as I have a wonderful family and some great friends.

I do not know where all this will ultimately lead, but do we ever really know that about anything in life?  Isn't life about making choices and seeing where they take us and what we can learn from that?  Right now this is part of my chosen path, and so far I am really enjoying the trip...  

--Soulfire

[TruthSeeker]

A brilliant reply Soulfire []

To make things clear: Cezyl's post was written after I gave him some inaccurate and some false informations. The reason for this has been given to Cezyl.
I am all for all the sceptizism regarding the Zeta communications. Keeping a healthy view on what is said is most important. Consider what is said, do not blindly believe, do not blindly disbelieve.
I am sure there is a lot to learn from this. I have learnt a lot, but I must remind you that me neither follows this blindly. I do not believe everything said, but I Consider it and gives it a fair chance.
Do what you wish with the information given.

Best Regards,
TruthSeeker

[Nagual]

Seems like everybody agrees now...   []
So, to sum up the whole thing: Keep your mind and your eyes open...

[James S]

Want to hear a nice irony? -
I have a Pleiadian guide. I spent some time wandering the web looking for info on the Pleiadians with my guide "looking over my shoulder". It was funny to hear her laughing and scoffing at some of what we read. Some people having "channelled" scientific theories that were so bad they had holes big enough to fly a starship through.

What she aptly pointed out though is that what many people out there providing channelled information have suffered from is trying to answer too many questions without taking the time to build up a level of understanding of the technology they're being told about. So to satisfy the inquisitive and impatient readers, they become prone to filling in the gaps themselves, then you end up with the mush that we read.

Regards,
James.

[Nay]

Uh oh, James..watch out!  ppl are now gonna think you are brainwashed and a follower..lol [:O]

I, on the other hand..thank you're great!.. or am I kissing up?..lol eh, verdict still out..[]

Nay.

[cainam_nazier]

You know I don't get the whole brainwash mentallity anyhow.  Just because a person is participating in something that someone doesn't like is not cause for saying they are brainwashed.  I myself am still having a hard time believing in the whole alien's helping man evolve thing, but I continue to participate in the threads because of some of the concepts alone that have come out of them.  And thinking about the concepts by themselves and not where they are said to be coming from I think is more important.  If nothing else it provides intellectual and spiritual food for thought.  Even if you don't believe there are aliens.


And Nay, a word of advise about all the sucking up.  Try not to get you head stuck.[:O]
Unless there is a proctologist in the forums. []

[James S]

Now now Cainam, be nice....
If Nay feels me worthy of her flattery then lets not go discoraging her. []
And my brain's never been washed. Spot-cleaned on occasions, but never washed.

So does brainwashing mean that one would not have a dirty mind[?]

The thing I haven't mentioned on this thread is the spirit that I first came in contact with, who was ultimately responsible for "assigning" a Pleidian teacher to me, is very definitely of Earthly origin.

The way I've had it explained to me is for all the spirit beings that many and various people on earth have been in contact with, who's to say they are all human based spirits. There are more races in the higher dimensions than you can poke a stick at. It seems to me rather arrogant to think that all guiding spirits must have originated on earth.

Just a thought
James.

[Nay]

Hehehehe...no offense taken. So, Cainam, know a good proctologist?[]

I shall keep the flattery coming, James.! []So, with that said..

quote:The way I've had it explained to me is for all the spirit beings that many and various people on earth have been in contact with, who's to say they are all human based spirits. There are more races in the higher dimensions than you can poke a stick at. It seems to me rather arrogant to think that all guiding spirits must have originated on earth.

Can't argue with that!

Nay.

[cainam_nazier]

You know Nay if you keep this up James won't be able to type anymore.  He's ego will be in the way. [)]

I prefer to have my brain dry cleaned.  The only problem is I didn't get it back last time and I can't remember where I took it.  Oh well, it's only been a couple of years so I'm not worried about it.

quote:The way I've had it explained to me is for all the spirit beings that many and various people on earth have been in contact with, who's to say they are all human based spirits. There are more races in the higher dimensions than you can poke a stick at. It seems to me rather arrogant to think that all guiding spirits must have originated on earth.

I agree with that.  It's much like saying that we are the only life in the universe.  The universe is currently just too big for us to know for sure.  I would think that the astral functions the same.  IE. It's too big and too many people have access to it as is considersed to be infinatly large as is the universe.

[Cezyl]

Hello...

It's Cezyl. You may know me as DEBerryJr or sweet_celestial_sounds.

I write to say that the Pleiadian-Zeta stuff, that's here and at zetatalk at least, is pure nonsense.

I've already spoken with TruthSeeker in chat, and his 'Pleiadian contact' could not answer, or answered wrongly, basic information about the solar system, planets, ET craft propulsion, and other stuff. When I later called him on this it became faulty channeling or some shiznit. It don't take an ET channeler to know that gas has mass, for instance. His contact should have had him pulling up internet sites while answering, and I should email some stuff to his intergalactic traveling contact so he can learn some basic physics, so maybe then they can pass the scrutiny of a high schooler.

Then here is Mayatnik promoting Zeta, zetatalk, and Nancy Lieder, and saying that he can "check througout" with TruthSeeker's guide Naren and is there to "ensure" that TruthSeeker is "accurately receiving." Right.

First of all the Zeta lady has already been proven wrong. I heard her myself on Coast to Coast AM, being put to shame by an astronomer that brought up the astronomical implications of her delusion, were it true. An object that big coming into the solar system and so close to this planet would have very observable phenomenon. Perhaps three weeks before the supposed event she was still on the radio saying it's coming, when- as the astronomer said- such a large object would be UNMISTAKABLY visible even in the daytime if it was only three weeks away, with several gravitational and other phenomenon occuring that would be unmistakable. Not to mention that the date has already passed. To quote from her zetatalk site:

"We know that the 12th Planet will make its passage in late spring or early summer of the year 2003 because we are observing the planet approaching your solar system. We were present when it came through last. This is as known to us as the setting of the sun and the rising of the sun is to you. We see this, laid out before us, and we watch each day as the comet approaches and calculate any variance from our last plot. Therefore this is not something uncertain that we have to morph up out of calculations and call "the best estimate" or "our speculation." This is not speculation, this is observation, and we are telling you what we are observing."

http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p108.htm

Someone bring me a calender. Isn't October??? And look at Mayatnik's first post on the thread. It's from late August, Aug 31st to be exact. Does he even READ the site???

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6924

On the radio she gave a 'no later then' date, and we are far beyond it. The radio host George Noory MADE SURE that she was sure, and she was. Nadda. So the very fact that Mayatnik supports her is in itself proof that he's deluding himself, just as I hope TruthSeeker is strong enough to see now.

Here's Mayatnik promoting something already proven false, and notice the date on this post. EVEN AFTER the date has passed he's still using her as a source. It's right on the very site he's promoting that the site is wrong, and the lady is wrong. This in itself shows you the level of delusion and bias going on here.

"Up till now, the Zeta have only spoken to Nancy Lieder of ZetaTalk for her to pass on information on that website www.zetatalk.com ... but now you can put your own questions on any subject due to this joint Pleiadian-Zeta venture to let you know what is really happening, and why the Zeta are here working on the Earth Project for Mankind under the supervision of the Pleiadians."

Mayatnik
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6924

Here's is Mayatnik claiming to be able to help TruthSeeker contact his Pleiadian guide, 'Naren,' who by the way should sit in on a high school physics class and learn some basics before channeling through people:


"MAYATNIK says:
Well that is what you need – to be able to receive sentences. And that is why, also, that I am here in in these link-up sessions to ensure that you are accurately receiving, because I check througout with your Pleiadian guide and I am also in contact at times during the session privately with the Zeta.
MAYATNIK says:
The overall purpose of my 'monitoring' in this then, is to enable a presentation here on MSN Messenger that will make what is happening clear to reader of the transcript, and to ensure its validy – since anyone could say they were in contact with the Zeta.
MAYATNIK says:
Let's do a session then............and you type everything that you hear, putting N: before it.........and all that you say (to me and to Naren) plus your comments as well.
TruthSeeker says:
Ok
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Are you here Naren?
N: Yes
TruthSeeker says:
Me: I want you to tell me something, a sentence, any sentence. Could you do this now?
N: .....
MAYATNIK says:
So....... what do you hear?
TruthSeeker says:
Nothing.
N: You need to separate your own thoughts from my messages"

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6924

I myself have personally proven that TruthSeekers 'contact' is delusion at BEST, the Pleiadians having a laugh with him at worst, or a neg taking him for a ride at median. He told me, besides having 24/7 telepathic contact, that he meets them astrally too. I asked, have you been to their ship astrally??? The answer is, No. WTF? NO? How easy is that, astrally? Never seen their ship??? No. Neither physically NOR astrally. I suggested he goes there, or have them take him there when Naren 'gets him out' that is. I'm sure that won't happen though. Perhaps he'll learn to accept what's really going on and move on to dealing with reality.

I don't write to bash. Just that person after person has been questioning me about this, and I see that at least ONE face of reason, reality, should be out there for more people to see. You don't have to believe me. Just ask some REAL questions of these so called Pleiadian-Zeta contacts and contactees, and you'll see what you're really dealing with. Don't settle for the fluff and evasive 'in time,' or the vague, half-assed answers either.

Another lesson to learn here is to look deeper. All the time and effort put into this, both by those involved and those following this crap, and it's all nonsense. It would be much better to focus on going to your higher self, and getting in strong contact with it. It would be better to learn and practice OBE/AP, so that you can get your own answers, and see/meet these beings directly for yourself if they are really here and helping, than to rely on so-called contactees. The Higher Self/Source Self contact of course is best, and the TRUE source of your guidance- not me or anyone else. Especially not some ET, who's on a very different evolutionary path than us anyway. They don't even have emotions, or don't have them like us. A spanish speaker can't teach you to speak english! All of this Zeta-Pleiadian shiznit is DISTRACTION, and the beings who are decieving.. um.. so-called channeling through them, if any beings are there at all, are doing nothing but causing people to turn their eye in the wrong direction. And it seems like much ego gratification, for why not teach people to have contact THEMSELVES rather than need an audience to watch all this shiznit. Why is Mayatnik needed for TruthSeeker to have an 'accurate' connection to his own guide. Anyone looking for reality can easily see through this.


Well, I'm off.

Cezyl
sweet_celestial_sounds@hotmail.com
Cezyl41@yahoo.com