Question for Mayatnik

[MAYATNIK]

Hi Frank,
I've only just spotted your post here, so I'm responding to your 'question' – but it is a BIG question, so bear with me as I try to explain the way it is.....

First of all, I appreciate your candour, and the fact that, as you say, you are "not really a UFO buff" and I must say there is quite a degree of "chuckle-value" in what can be read out there on the Internet and in many books that are prominently displayed in bookstores to ring the cash registers.  Frankly, the pulp press makes a lot of money out of hyping-up 'strange encounters' of any kind and the plethora of such incidents in their bewildering diversity does nothing to gain the acceptance of the ordinary man in regard to any 'reality' that may lie behind such stories.  However the serious researcher (not the UFO seeking version of the train-spotter) largely disregards such material and digs deeper to find the real truth behind it all –and there is a wealth of information that points clearly and irrefutably to visitation in our history from 'the heavens'.  Drawings on the cave walls of the Neolithic period have been carbon dated and show clearly depictions that can not be anything else other than what we would describe as 'spacemen' and aliens in general.  Zecharia Sitchin, in his translations of thousands of Ancient Texts gives us a detailed picture of such visitations, interactions with humans, and what they did – including the making of man, by genetic manipulation, in the Edyn (or Garden of Eden, as the later to be written Bible names it) which is located 100 hundred miles south of Baghdad.  In the same area is clearly described in those texts a spaceport and also a Command Centre which the people of the time, the Sumerians, were familiar with and wrote about.  Their references to 'angels' in fact described flying vehicles that had advanced technology in the way they operated, and this is described in the texts.  What came to be eventually written, following the later Babylonian texts, was a much condensed version which we know as the Bible, and from which time it became further corruped and misinterpreted (along with many mistranslations of the original words) so that the view of Christianity bears no resemblance to the actual facts originally known by the Sumerians.  In this modern day we therefore have a very strange notion of angels floating around on clouds, and a 'God' who does not seem to do anything but be there to be worshipped, and 'appeared' to Moses with a collection of Commands to be obeyed.  The whole thrust, in the last 1700 years or so since Christianity was 'officially' adopted by Rome, has been the Fear factor – do, or else.  And any attempt to investigate the real truths has been consistently squashed.  The Vatican has in its vaults to this present time many ancient texts that will never see the light of day, and over 90% of the Dead Sea scrolls have been supressed from publication.  However, from what has been published (often at the expense of learned professors being reviled and threatened) we have more than sufficient from those thousands of texts to indicate conclusively that we have been 'watched over' by extra-terrestrial Beings (who are named in the original texts as the 'Watchers', and many other words when accurately translated add to the picture – words such as the 'Ark' in its original means 'submersible-vessel', a submarine capable of surviving the massive Tidal Wave that rushed northwards from the antarctic at that time (and which scientists now estimate to have been so high that the twin mountains that Noah – original name Utmapishtim – was guided towards as being the only place of dry land and safety).  Ancient maps have also been found that show land contours of the antarctic in great detail and accuracy – something that has not been possible until very recently to do, since it can only be done from satellite orbit.  Since the antarctic has been covered, in our known history, with ice sheets that obscure the land detail completely, then those anncient maps could only have been drawn by a very highly skilled civilization and even then only from data obtained high above the earth's atmosphere to obtain such detail.  Sitchin is only one of many who have researched deeply into our origins and discovered the extra-terrestrial link with man.  Others include:

Robert Temple's <THE SIRIUS MYSTERY: New scientific evidence for Alien contact 5,000 years ago>

Alan F. Alford's <GODS OF THE NEW MILLENNIUM: The shattering Truth of human origins>

Peter Le Mesurier's <GODS OF THE DAWN: The Message of the Pyramids and the True Stargate Mystery>

David Furlong's <THE KEYS TO THE TEMPLE: Pyramids, Ley Patterns and the Atlantean Heritage>

Mark Vidler's <THE STAR MIRROR: The extraordinary discovery of the Reflections between Heaven and Earth>

Ann Madden Jones'
<THE YAHWEH ENCOUNTERS: Bible Astronauts, Ark Radiations and Temple Electronics>

The cover of the above book states clearly:
"This is NOT Science-Fiction" – and the author is certainly no 'crank', possessing degrees from two major US Universities.  She rips apart the conventional fabric of the Bible in this controversial book that examines, from an expert view of Nuclear-Physics, the events surrounding the giving of the Ten Commandments and exactly what happened regarding the Ark of the Covenant (as a result of which misuse 64,000 people died) and detailing much that, in this scientific investigation of great depth, cannot be ignored regarding Extra-Terrestrial involvement in the early history of the Jewish people.

What we find in all of the above excellently compiled works (often taking years of painstaking research at source) is a vast wealth of proof that very high technology was used in the creation of such as the pyramids to a degree of accuracy that cannot even to this day be matched by our so-called hi-tech society, quite apart from the sheer impossibility of even our sophisticated machinary to transport and errect stones at great height on top of other stones, each one weighing up to 200 tons.  Similarly, looking at sites such as Stonehenge and other ancient 'sacred' locations we find – according to the best surveyors who researched and wrote their conclusions – that they are all built according to what is called 'Sacred Geometry', and that they fit exactly onto a twin overlapping circles if drawn on a map.  This is precision of the highest order, and begs the question as to why they should have been sited accordingly and also along ley lines.  Other sites around the world exhibit the same high degree of precision – some, indeed, could only have been planned from outer space because their symmetry of lines in absolute accuracy is not obvious at ground level where they cover many miles.  So, we have not only been visited, it must be concluded, but also helped in this and many other things in our history.  When the reader has perused in detail the contents of these serious works the reaction must be a gasp leading to awe at what man has blithely been unaware of until recently.  I present the above merely as a 'pen-sketch' background to dealing with your main question, for it to be better understood.

You ask about the Pleiadians, saying:
<<" From what I have read, these people are some kind of ancestors of ours and they visit us regularly. Is this true?">>

There is a misconception in the first part of your question, but regarding the second part, Yes – they do visit us regularly, although in recent years they can be said to be here constantly, encamped as it were, out there in space... around 100,000 miles away but in a 'higher dimension' so cannot be seen.  Their location is convenient for the short-range craft they send out and which is popularly termed UFOs or 'flying saucers', and these of course can dock on the Mothership.  Great chuckle-factor so far, no?  I tell you this, in stark words, because man is dealing here with the Unknown, something beyond man's scientific-based capability to comprehend.  Yet, there is a common-sense factor that should be applied when looking at things that are completely new to man's perception.  The first step is to notionally accept this as a 'foundation' to explore other 'realities'.  From that standpoint then we can begin to examine the further questions that arise.  Without that standpoint there can only be flights of fancy of what is presented, disregarding some 'facts' and accepting others.  What is required is a foothold to a higher perspective, a kind of scaffolding of the mind to reach new frontiers of its exploration, shedding conditioning and pre-conceived notions, but maintaining common-sense:  "Does this make sense?" people should ask.  If so, then however strange, it is not impossible, but only unknown to us in our present perception; and in that way, our perception enlarges.

I, of course, as a Channeler, have had it all explained to me over a long period of time (I have been engaged in this for 8 years now, learning all the while – and getting a firm 'foothold' at each perspective in order to reach higher in perception.  This has been a gradual process, because it is not a matter of 'blind faith' in what I receive telepathically; instead, it is knowledge questioned until I firmly comprehended such new 'realities'.  And, believe me, I really 'grilled' my extra-terrestrial teachers with questions, diving down every nook and cranny of what they told me, to ascertain to my satisfaction the validity of what was being revealed.  "You gave us a hard time," they admitted finally.  But, finally I had grasped those higher perspectives and knew beyond a shadow of doubt what it was really all about.  I did not get there by skepticism, but rather by positive questioning and respect at all times.  When I had been told a considerable amount, I was then directed to go to a large bookstore where, to my surprise, I was taken directly to a shelf - I could not see the books clearly unless 2 inches away, so my guide told me to just run my hand along until she said, "stop".  The book I first picked out in this manner was on the very subject we'd been talking telepathically about the previous night.  I had not, until that time of visiting the bookstore, been aware that there was any such thing as 'channeling', nor had I looked or been aware of any books on pyramids, ancient texts or suchlike; I simply had not thought such things would be in print, nor indeed had any interest in those things until my guide started to tell me about them.  That 'procedure', of telling me things and then the following day letting me 'find' books that had the information in them was repeated many times, until I had a catalogue of books that others could refer to to save me having to explain the 'basics'.  From what I managed to read in those books with my very limited eyesight (it takes me a full exhausting day to read two pages maximum at 2 inches away) I was astounded at the correlation.  Quite a few things that I had been told by my guide were not in the books, though the 'general' backround often was.  I was told that my 'job' would be to help people fit the pieces of the jig-saw puzzle together, from all that was available, and adding new channeling as and when required for it to be revealed – which brings me to the present time.  There are several extremely useful channeling books that will provide the reader encountering all this for the first time with a very good and cohesive background to what the Pleiadians (and other groups – there are 5 main groups involved) are doing, and why.  This all fits together with the research that learned people have done recently, along with free-thinking scientists, archaeologists and many other fields of discipline, to give a 'picture' that common-sense can relate to, even though it is beyond man's ordinary perception.

I said, regarding the first part of your question, Frank, that there is a misconception about the Pleiadians being our ancestors.  They, in fact, were responsible for overseeing the creation of Man.  Other extra-terrestrial species of Beings, below the level of the Pleiadians (who are 6th Density) have worked on what the Pleiadians call the 'Experiment' of Man.  This Earth is to those higher Beings, a "Living Laboratory" where all manner of species were brought here to evolve in this habitat of vegatation, our ecology.  Many worlds contributed their genetic 'stock' for this great experiment – and the fantastic variety of animals in Africa is where the majority of species were originally placed before the dawn of Man; in fact, Africa is the seat of Mankind, and early genetic experiments were tried there before homo-sapiens, modern man as we know it, arrived as we imagine.  Scientists are baffled by not only the distinct remains of what were obviously advanced civilizations, but also by the fact that they cannot find a connection between several 'early' versions of Man, and the 'missing link' still eludes them – because there were several distinct experiments, and not a continuous evolution as Darwin perceived along with others to this day.

What I describe here is merely a brush-stroke impression of the vastness of consciousness in creation, a mere glimpse into an evolutionary process that led to the Pleiadians being unimaginably advanced as a species aeons before they even thought of creating Man, and even higher than them are Beings that cannot even be described to give a glimmer of our comprehension.  Others, such as the Zeta (4th Density) and the 'Nordics' so-called because of their Nordic-looking similarity (they are 5th Density) are all involved at this time working under the guidelines set by the Galactic Council (there is plenty of information about that 'body' in Courtney Brown's <COSMIC VOYAGE> dealing with Remote Viewing) to bring the Earth through the Transition that is coming and the Pleiadians themselves will assist, as 'birthers', in taking this Earth physically into a higher dimension when the time comes.  We are reaching the end of the Grand Cycle (as predicted by the Mayan civilization calendar), and the 'finger' of the Photon Band is at one second to Midnight, figuratively speaking, in terms of reference by the Great Central Sun and the orbit of all the galaxies around it.  'Time' is only a notion of Man, and the True Reality we are not aware of from our little corner of our play-room called Earth exists outside of Time.  All Time is Now, in reality.  Even 'Thought', as we know it, is far removed from our conception of it, and permeates everything.  A thought sent out by 'Prime Creator' (as the Pleiadians term it) manifests in 'time' like a ripple on a pond, but that thought is in the 'future' simultaneously as it is in the present.  The Pleiadians in fact come from what we would  term our 'far distant future', and they step down through the dimensions of reality and can pass in and out of any section of our 'time frame' of history at will.  Though they come from our 'future' yet, at the same time, they were there at the birth of Man.  They are our Parents, and we are truly Children of the Stars.  Now we are coming of age, and it is very soon time to make a transition, a leap of evolution, into a higher dimension not only of understanding but of reality itself.

You say:
<<"Is it possible for them to pop along and meet me somewhere? That sure would make for interesting conversation, at the very least.

I'm just imagining the look on my neighbour's faces as this starship lands in the garden, and I get in for a quick demo tour of the cosmos.">>

I like your sense of humour Frank, but I think that behind that humour you'd secretly love it were it to happen – but it can happen, in the sense that the Pendulum can start people off on a voyage of discovery in conversations, albeit not 'in the flesh' with those Beings who wil be happy to open new horizons of perception, and all that is needed is to ask.  The Pendulum can be used to at least verify the facts I give here, and those contained in the books I recommend, but with an open heart to receive new knowledge the frontiers of perception will expand further and further, stage by stage, as each firm building-block of hitherto unknown reality clicks into place.  That is but the start.  As Steven Hawkin puts it, "All we have to do is talk".

The Pleiadians will not reveal themselves 'in the flesh' however, so don't hold your breath in any anticipation.  Neither will the Zeta, for the time being – although they will walk among us when the time is right, and that time is now approaching.

Getting back to the humour (I like your style) I see your point about the ship landing (a 'saucer' not a starship, Frank – nobody's garden is that big, not even yours!), and it reminds me of when I had a girlfriend in Leicester.  Her next door neighbour was noted for twitching the curtains, and he dreamed of one day meeting an alien. We were invited in to meet him (he was curious about my arrival) and when we were comfortably seated chatting to him and his wife my girlfriend started to tell them about me, adding "He talks to Aliens, he really does".  I turned to her with mock concern, and said, "You shouldn't have told him that – now he knows".  He spilled his drink everywhere, and the 'dream' suddenly became reality for him.  All too much it seems, because we were never invited in again.  But the curtains kept twitching nevertheless.  Maybe he was looking for a 'flying saucer' landing in our garden next door to him.  Who knows?
You finish with this:
<<"Okay, that sounds outrageous from our point of view. But if these people really are visiting us on a regular basis then taking someone for a quick trip to Alpha Centuri and back, wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary. So how about it?">>

Surprisingly, what you say is not all that outlandish.  And I have 'visited' other worlds and dimensions, but not taking off from a conventional craft as people imagine it to be done, but by 'connection' to those worlds in my consciousness.  Those fantastically advanced Beings do not travel those vast distances in a conventional way in any case, but instead use teleportation (the whole ship is transplanted at the destination, in fact).  The process is done throgh a series of stargates, portals in space, according to much higher laws of physics than we are aware of; thus, both space, time and even dimensions are navigated in microseconds in our way of reckoning.  It is not even possible for human beings to teleport a la 'Startrek' since carbon molecules are very complex and cannot be easily duplicated in the normal process of teleportation.  Silicon based Beings, can however, do that with ease since their molecules are geometric in their nature.  There is a further factor that might put you off, Frank, and it is this:  That in the process of Teleportation the 'body' dies at the source, and a new 'body' is created at the destination, whereupon the 'soul' is re-entered into that body, giving life to it and full conscousness.  Unfortunately for human beings it is a 'one way trip', and you can't come back for the reasons I've stated.  Life begins on Earth with birth, and that's the way it is.  When you die, your 'soul' is simply transferred to another dimension – simple as that.  So, no trip as such to Alpha Centauri, sorry.

As for even a trip on a 'flying saucer', when I have asked my guide (in the past, I don't bother now any more) the reply has always been, "They're too busy".  They have 'tight schedules', she tells me.  So, despite my ability to communicate 24/7 with many extra-terrestrial species as well as the Pleiadians themselves, I haven't been invited yet, although some have – but I should be so lucky as the saying goes. I think not.  Again, if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.  But, who knows?  Millions now report having been 'abducted' for medical check-ups, this however is invariably done from an early age and periodic ongoing checks are made on those 'selected' because of special genes that many posess and which are carefully watched and monitored.  Some people are afraid of such things, but it is only in the way that one's pet would be afraid of being taken to the vet for a check-up.  At Man's primitive level, we are in fact as far below those 'Aliens' as we ourselves are above the primitive life-forms on this Earth.  They are not here to harm us, but to nurture us, and we are but children in their eyes to be lovingly brought to 'adulthood' to be ready to join them in the vastness of the cosmos as we evolve, and ever more quickly now we are learning through the guides our true purpose in creation.  Until people Awaken to that reality it can truly be said (in the immortal words of Mr Spock on board the Starship Enterprise – not entirely fiction, because that idea was 'seeded' by guides to prepare us)...."There's life out there – but not as we know it".  Yet, soon, everyone will know it, as reality.

I leave you on that thought, with a list of channeled books my guide recommends for the reader to gain a good backround to all of this.

Barbara Marciniak's
<BRINGERS OF THE DAWN: Teachings from the Pleiadians>
<FAMILY OF LIGHT: Pleiadian Tales and Lessons in Living>

Amorah Quan Yin's
<PLEIADIAN PERSPECTIVES ON HUMAN EVOLUTION>

Barbara Hand Clow's
<THE PLIEADIAN AGENDA: A New Cosmology for the Age of Light>

Nina Jenice's
<A PLEIADIAN IN TIME: A Time Traveller>

Other channeled books, not directly about the Pleiadians themselves but of related Higher Beings from other Star Constellations, are listed below:

Dr. Norma J. Milanovich's
<WE THE ARCTURIANS: A True Experience>

Psychologist and Channeler Murry Hope's
<THE LION PEOPLE: Intercosmic Messages from the Future>
<THE PASHCATS AND THE CRYSTAL PEOPLE>

Ida M. Kannenberg's
<PROJECT EARTH: From the ET Perspective>

Of a different 'type' of channeling (through Regression Hypnosis) are the two following books which not only correlate closely but also bring together many hitherto confused aspects of Reincarnation, and what a 'spirit' really is and does when not down here on Earth, and what really happens in that well-ordered 'other world' beyond our perception [These books are the collated transcripts of hundreds of tapes from actual regressions that turned out to be channelings and which closely correlated with each other, although each was totally independent – the results are presented verbatim with comments by this world renowned and experienced Regressionist]......

Dolores Cannon's
<BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH: Conversations with a Spirit>
<KEEPERS OF THE GARDEN: An Extra-Terrestrial Document>

Whether you initially 'believe' or want to believe in Aliens that Man mistakenly came to call 'The Gods', you will be gripped by the words of all the above channeled works.  The whole 'background' is unfolded gently and with Loving Compassion by the guides through their 'vehicles' who wrote down what was told to them Telepathically.  Even for the hardened skeptic, these channeled books make ideal 'bed-time' reading because they are invariably soothing and give a new meaning to our existence on this Earth.   Enjoy!

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[Euphoric Sunrise]

MAYATNIK,

I find your posts fascinating. They may be long, but the are infitely interesting and helpful to me. I'm very interested in all this ET stuff, so i hope you don't mind if i ask you a couple of questions.

Are the Pleiadians known as something else to us on Earth? Eg. Greys or Anunnaki (your information of them doesn't seem to totally correspond with the Anunnaki, but i would just like to make sure).

You say Earth is like a labratory to these species. I have no problem with this unless there is no care involved. As you see it, do these beings care for us? Does there appear to be any hostility towards us from any of these races?

[goingslow]

I really like how Mayatnik takes the time out to answer people.  I respect people who post well thought out, detailed answers.  One reason for this is im not able to do that.. partly because of my self diagnosed ADD.  

Frank does the same often as well as mcarther and timeless and others I cant think of right now.  I like no leaf's detail with the zeta type stuff too. Its one of those skills I just dont have yet.  I wonder if people who do this write out your responses elsewhere then copy or paste or do you just type it out and hit submit?  I have to admit I often cant read the whole post in one sitting (ADD), but thats not the point.

Not to change the subject, but it does fascinate me sometimes.  Ill leave this thread now with my little observation.

[MAYATNIK]

EUPHORIC SUNRISE,
I only gave a summary of the postion in my post, since the books that I listed contain a plethora of information and are avoilable at all good bookstores and at Amozon.com (along with reviews of them) or can be ordered within 3-4 days if not immediately in stock.  Libraries also have most of them for loan.  You will find they will answer so many of your questions at this time.  However, to give a brief answer to your questions at the moment.....

You ask:
<<" Are the Pleiadians known as something else to us on Earth? Eg. Greys or Anunnaki (your information of them doesn't seem to totally correspond with the Anunnaki, but i would just like to make sure).">>

No, the Pleiadians are not known by any other name on Earth.  The Zeta Reticuli are a completely separate race.  They Zeta have been referred to by the US government's Majestic12 as the 'Greys' – The Zeta are also referred to in the Ancient Texts of the Summerians and Babylonians as the "I.GI.GI.".  The Igigi were in their spacecrafts when the flood occurred, and they watched it from orbit.  Inanna is reported in the texts of the Epic of Gilgamesh to have cried out, as she looked down, "Oh, my poor humans!"   In those same spacecrafts were also the Anunnaki, and the 'God' Enki who had warned Noah of the coming flood, because it was known to the 'Watchers'.

<<"You say Earth is like a labratory to these species. I have no problem with this unless there is no care involved. As you see it, do these beings care for us? Does there appear to be any hostility towards us from any of these races?">>
This sector of the galaxy has been designated a "Free Will Zone" were all is allowed in the evolution of the human species, without interference. When the Pleiadians refer to the Earth as a Laboratory they don't mean in the sense that we know it here on this planet; the Pleiadians are Beings that have evolved to such an extent over aeons of 'time' that they have Infinite Love and Compassion for all with Wisdom to 'bring up' their children, the Family of Man that is part of Family of Light because they've done it many times before - we are they 'youngest' in the galaxy, and we have yet to encounter off-planet species and know that Love in Reality.  The Earth is also described as a "Living Museum" where contribuiting species from all over the galaxy have 'projects' to gently assist Man without 'interference' in this process of his natural maturing.  Their Teachers and scientists study, and have donated much knowledge to this project.  And at this time especially, the whole galaxy is looking on as Man nears the time of his Transition to a Higher Dimension, a very exciting time because it means that Man will no longer be confined to his own 'backyard' but will begin to see his brothers and sister in the much wider word that is the stars, and who have been eagerly awaiting that time of 'birthing'.  No, there is no 'hostility' towards us, and none would be allowed.  Those Beings who operate their Agendas in this sector must abide by the strictest rules of the Galactic Council or Federation (over which the Pleiadians preside), that governs the Council of Worlds.   We have always been cared for, nurtured and assisted gently towards this.  I urge you to read the channeling books that tell of all this beautiful story of Mankind, and even before that of the Pleiadians..  A good start is <BRINGERS OF THE DAWN> to put  this landscape of creation into perspective.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[imora]

Hello Mayatnik

I am also facinated by your posts and would like to ask some personal questions.  You do not have to answer any of these.

Are you an alien?
Why were you chosen as the channeler for the Pleiadians?
What have you done to prepare for what's to come?
What will you be doing in the future?
How do you read these posts?

I also would like to ask a question on behalf of non-homo sapiens.

Why do you emphasize humans on Earth?  What's going to happen to other living organisms on Earth?

thanks

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Thank you very much again mayatnik. I will more than definitely be looking into those books you suggested.

[KP]

Great post

[Frank]

Mayatnik: Thanks a million for your incredibly informative response.

I do like to inject a note of humour in anything I do, but I am deadly serious about wanting to fly in a UFO. I have been projecting within Astral realms for quite a number of years, so I'm not exactly a beginner when it comes to non-physical realities and I haven't got a squeamish bone in my body.

I used to consider the Astral like one huge adventure playground and would project 2 or 3 times a week mainly from "waking up" from within a lucid dream. To me, it was just a fun thing to do. A place where I could bring my thoughts to life and generally have a laugh. I've never really been interested in anything religious or mystical. More the opposite. I was ambitious and my primary focus was advancing my engineering career.

However, a few years ago, I got to thinking more seriously about my adventures within myself, and started scouting around the internet for some info. The turning point, for me, was when I became open to the concept of "guides". Since then I've discovered all manner of stuff and have spent a *lot* of time trying to make sense of it all.

Where you say:

quote:
This has been a gradual process, because it is not a matter of 'blind faith' in what I receive telepathically; instead, it is knowledge questioned until I firmly comprehended such new 'realities'. And, believe me, I really 'grilled' my extra-terrestrial teachers with questions, diving down every nook and cranny of what they told me, to ascertain to my satisfaction the validity of what was being revealed. "You gave us a hard time," they admitted finally. But, finally I had grasped those higher perspectives and knew beyond a shadow of doubt what it was really all about.

We are EXACTLY alike in that respect.

From this quote:

quote:Surprisingly, what you say is not all that outlandish. And I have 'visited' other worlds and dimensions, but not taking off from a conventional craft as people imagine it to be done, but by 'connection' to those worlds in my consciousness.

I take that as confirmation they can be contacted in a non-physical sense. As I am fairly adept at Astral projection, I'm hoping that is qualification enough for me to contact them this way also.

If so, my question is (if I may) is there some particular "sign" or "calling" I can broadcast in order to help make this connection? I was thinking of something I could hold a mental image of. Do they have a national flag, or some other image like that?

Yours,
Frank

PS
Oh, and thanks again for the wonderfully detailed reply. You've given not only me, but I suspect quite a number of others lots to think on.

[MAYATNIK]

FRANK –
Thank you for your response.  Sorry I've not been able to get back to you sooner......My normal 'day' is between 48 and 60 hours, and I'd just done a 55 hour 'day' online counselling and trying to keep up with posts – so I needed to sleep for 14 hours.

You say:
<<"I was ambitious and my primary focus was advancing my engineering career.

However, a few years ago, I got to thinking more seriously about my adventures within myself  [...]  The turning point, for me, was when I became open to the concept of "guides". Since then I've discovered all manner of stuff and have spent a *lot* of time trying to make sense of it all">>

People come to this from all routes, some from 'down to earth' backgrounds – such as engineering, and many other fields.  Many who step on to this new 'road' of discovery do it as a result of an OBE or some dramatic Fate intervention changing their lives.  Others have been pursuing esoteric fields of 'investigation' for many years, and they too eventually find a change in direction to an hitherto not realised perspective when the time is right, and they are, when the guides deem it, ready.

Man is adventurous by nature, he needs to be to evolve.  For the intrepid and Fearless traveller much can be accomplished in a short while – there is no limit, except conditioning and the Will to seek and embrace new horizons.   No matter how strange those new 'lands' or realms of discovery may be, we can get there.  In fact, the notion of 'pyshic ability' that some are seen to be given are innate in all of us, and only needs to be 'switched on' from where it lies dormant within every person.  First must come the openness and receptivity to all that is new, and then must come *respect* - because new horizons beyond the hills of human perception bring encounters with Beings of other worlds, much more highly evolved than us humans.  We are the infants in the galaxy, and out there are our older and much much Wiser brothers, sister.....yes, and parents – beyond the play-room door.  When it is time, that 'door' is unlocked from the other side; we have no control over that mechanism, and it is only when the guides (those beings who watch our progress and monitor) start to show us things.  At first, many believe that they are doing it themselves, but this is not the case.  The guides are effectively, in terms that we can understand, putting a 'video' into the machine and pressing play so that it will appear in our minds, or taking us (when we use such as Remote Viewing) to various locations in space or time, or even other dimensions --- they do this by a kind of 'hook-up', similar to the Internet, and we are permitted to view those scenes.  When the Majestic12 started to do RV'ing they found that they could view by simply using 'co-ordinates' given to them by another person who later took the transcripts of what they saw and heard in their sessions.  Eventually the Majestic12 found that map co-ordinates of actual locations were not even necessary – any 'file number' from their computer would do the same, and that is when they found they could view things that were not even on this earth or in this time or space.

I sometimes RV, but I use numbers given to me by my guide if she wants me to see something specific.  The way it works – and can work for anyone – is to allow the numbers to come into your head... just clear your mind of extraneous thoughts, ask "Can I have some co-ordinates to Remote View please?"   Asking like this is a 'positive call' to the guides, to whichever guide is 'on duty' monitoring your sector at the time – in every sense like dialling a number, you get instantly through to the right department; in this case, the guides' RV department.   Then, your mind cleared, receptive and acceptive also, you will hear (or see in your mind's eye) numbers, one by one usually.  If you have difficulty, or the numbers come as a block and are not easy to 'read' or be sure of until you get used to it, then ask "Can you give me the co-ordinate numbers one by one please, slowly?".  One by one is usually best.  Write the numbers down as they are given to you by the guide.  For most RV'ing sessions this will be an 8-digit number (I receive 20-digit numbers to cover many other 'locations' for which I have status to view).  It will be easier to separate the numbers into groups of 4..... for example, 2018 5643.
All that remains, once you have written the numbers carefully down on a piece of paper, is to slowly say them (close your eyes if you feel the room is a distraction, or if you have difficulty seeing clearly in normal room light those images that will be shown to you).  So, you would say, slowly..... 2 - 0 - 1 - 8  [pause]  5 - 6 - 4 - 3.  And, off you go!!!   The only difficulties you will encounter with this is in keeping your cognitive mind out of it, don't try to analyse what you are seeing, but simply let it 'happen'.  Similarly, trying to record it by speaking a commentary of what you're seeing into a tape recorder may not be easy for some, since there will be a tendency for the congitive mind to jump in – so it will be best, until used to this method, to just view and take it in, writing up any notes you wish afterwards.  You will find that the 'places' you are shown will be to educate you, expand your perception, because the guides are Teachers and their job is to increase the perception of the person to a Higher Perspective and understing – so, keep that in mind, and you can then discuss what you've seen later with your guide - or with the Pendulum, if you do not have telepathy at that stage.   I, personally, haven't needed to use the Pendulum for over 6 years now, because I can 'receive' any YES or NO instantly through the fingers of my left hand; my ring finger moves several times in quick succession if the answer I'm asking their 'computer' is a YES....and my index finger does the same if the answer is NO.  But, normally, I just use instant telepathy to talk to my guide, and to any other Being I encounter.  Always though, there must be *respect*, because there is no 'racial' or other discrimination or bias 'out there' unlike on Earth.  If you emanate a 'positive' manner then you will always attract a positive Being, and repel others by the Law of 'Like attracts Like'.  These remarks, of course, I make in general for the benefit of all members who may be reading this.

Re my remarks about visiting by 'connection', you say:
<<"I take that as confirmation they can be contacted in a non-physical sense. As I am fairly adept at Astral projection, I'm hoping that is qualification enough for me to contact them this way also.

If so, my question is (if I may) is there some particular "sign" or "calling" I can broadcast in order to help make this connection? I was thinking of something I could hold a mental image of. Do they have a national flag, or some other image like that?">>

The best, and easiest "sign" for those contacting the Pleiadians for the first time – and this my guide suggests here – is to read about the Pleiadians (Barbara Marciniak's <Bringers of the Dawn> is excellent for this, as it puts into your mind a firm foundation to stand on.  From this you can then just close your eyes (reading it relaxed in bed is ideal) and 'feel' the impressions the text has given you.  By having them in your mind you are sending out a unique 'call' sign to them, and they will respond.  But, again, it depnds on your acceptance of that 'foundation' and a positive desire to learn more with an open and receptive mind for whatever may be given to you by the guides.

When I speak about 'connection' I'm not talking about Remote Viewing – I mean here an actual connection that is made... an actual transfer of your consciousness by their 'computer' which controls memory and everything else we perceive to put it very simply.  It is their 'computer' that transfers our consciousness from our body when we die, and death, the stopping of the heart, can only occur when their computer terminates the life-long 'connection'.....and so we transfer complete back 'up there'.  So, the 'connection' I speak of here is a transfer of consciousness but not quitting the body.  The Pleiadians use Teleportation as a normal means of moving themselves from one place to another in physical space – and that involves death of the current body, creation by the computer of a new body in a specified co-ordinate location, and then the re-connection of the consciousness (the soul) to that new body.  So, the 'connection' I speak of is much more real than RV, but only a partial connection – you are actually THERE, where transferred to,  but your body remains conscious here.

To illustrate this in action, I have the verbatim transcript I saved of an MSN Instant Messenger conversation with SeekingAnswers (SAMUEL) just as it actually happened in real-time for him.  I have withheld posting it until this time, on the instructions of my guide and she now says the time is appropriate.

Before the part showing the actual 'connection' that was made for Samuel by his guide, his guide Mashway starts to type through his fingers during the first part of this transcript.  Notice also, that there is a telepathic concersation going on at times between Samuel and Mashway, and also between myself Karek and Mashway, and this is evident from the transcript.   I present the relevant sections of that MSN chat below, exactly as it happened for you to see for yourself (with full permission by Samuel, his guide Mashway and my guide Karek to reveal this).......

///// ACTUAL MSN-IM TRANSCRIPT /////

MAYATNIK:
To show who's talking - you or Mashway....Sam use * or m/ if it's M
SAMUEL:
i will do so in futre /M
MAYATNIK:
was it from M
SAMUEL:
Yes /M
MAYATNIK:
ok.  I see you're using /M to show it's Mashway, rather than M/, and putting it after rather than before what you're saying Mashway.
SAMUEL:
That's because Sam isn't typing it himself, only his fingers, he would have put M/ himself, at the start.   /M
SAMUEL:
ok shes having fun now, she felt she shud anser it for me
MAYATNIK:
good
MAYATNIK:
I am watching and looking from your viewpoint, Mashway (seeing what you're relaying to Samuel)
SAMUEL:
We can cumnicate much better now /M
MAYATNIK:
we could do this procedure at times if you wish it
SAMUEL:
kool lol shes never typed fru me nor jus JUMPED into me (not litraly) b4
SAMUEL:
witch procedere
SAMUEL:
sorry bit jumped from that "jump"
SAMUEL:
it was spontainios
SAMUEL:
its lik i toke too long so i just started typing and hearing what she was saying
SAMUEL:
too long to reply that is
MAYATNIK:
This will help you to get speed in channeling.....by letting M write through you directly into posts etc
SAMUEL:
i shall give it a shot
MAYATNIK:
as you hear the voice....just let your fingers move to the keys
SAMUEL:
i didnt will it tho (the typing)
SAMUEL:
It just comes
MAYATNIK:
yes......channeling is very special
SAMUEL:
just happend
SAMUEL:
see like now i can make u type when ever i want /M
SAMUEL:
ok she did finish that in my head, she said so feel free to ask her
MAYATNIK:
what we are dong here is special.....in the sense that it is
unusual..........for me to talk 'direct' via computer to a guide down
South.........we can actually do it direct by telepathy at any time.....but are doing it through YOU at the moment Sam.
SAMUEL:
wow
SAMUEL:
thats all i can say lol
MAYATNIK:
...........and you'll find M will work with you on this.......watching your
speed.......and you will learn to refer to her
with........"ok.........next".......etc.
SAMUEL:
o i c
MAYATNIK:
I often channel that way.
SAMUEL:
coz it stops and your left finishing it, and you think hang on anything i put will be from me and i didnt type this sentance
MAYATNIK:
When I'm doing 'indirect' channeling.........we discusss it sentence by
sentence........and 'direct' is when she says "ok........write........" – or I let her move my fingers like Mashway's doing with you now you let her.
SAMUEL:
kool
MAYATNIK:
exactly !
SAMUEL:
i look 4ward to doing that from now
SAMUEL:
why is time going so FAST again......kool.
SAMUEL:
right im8 got my dinner waiting for me. so i really gota split 4 din, c u in 20

/////////////////////////////// LATER /////////////////////////

SAMUEL:
hi
SAMUEL:
howz it goin?
MAYATNIK:
Was just typing away when you came up then in your little 'blue box' that said "Hi".... right over where I was writing, so I just carried on 'blind' till it went away......but it had typed it ok......interesting.
SAMUEL:  lol??? oooo i know the 1
MAYATNIK:
I wish I could be working 'up there' on their computer - so much nicer than ours.
SAMUEL:
is it!? tell me mooore PLEASE
SAMUEL:
(begging)
MAYATNIK:
You use it when you use the Pendulum........ although you've not seen what it can do yet.
MAYATNIK:
I've been up there and seen them working with it.
SAMUEL:
what does it do
MAYATNIK:
Ask Mashway
MAYATNIK:
Ask her was I up there looking around
SAMUEL:
she said "many many tasks" and no i carnt know and "you u was up there"
SAMUEL:
she said it in a matter of fact voice
MAYATNIK:
"I can't know" ........meaning you can't know what ?
SAMUEL:
what their computer does
SAMUEL:
she says one day il know it ow to well..........she says it can be used to pinpoint peoples locations and connect with them
SAMUEL:
she also said its used to monitor that evrything is running ok, but that depends on were it is seen
SAMUEL:
she says ..."we have SO many funtions for it"
MAYATNIK:
Yes........AND it doesn't go wrong.......or ever crash !
SAMUEL:
is the connecting to people correct???
MAYATNIK:
it 'connects' in many different ways.......
MAYATNIK:
and checking on everything running ok depends on whether there is a lock-on provided/enabled
MAYATNIK:
in 'connecting'......for example............it controls teleportation
SAMUEL:
i had a visual with it to im sure
SAMUEL:
thats what i felt
MAYATNIK:
Ask her can she give you some visuals of the 'office' and 'monitoring rooms' to show you the shift-system for example...........practice going where she connnects you.  Happy travelling !
SAMUEL:
k..... aproachs with skeptisim of his abiltiy.  She says she's 'connecting' now.....
MAYATNIK:
Do what Mashway your teacher says.....all will be fine.
SAMUEL:
is it white with many "people" working dead silently
MAYATNIK:
yes
SAMUEL:
very "white" spacios like u wud think of heaven
MAYATNIK:
a 'clean' feel to it .... like a laboratory clean feel.
SAMUEL:
yes
MAYATNIK:
very 'airy' and uncluttered
SAMUEL:
but i caarnt see walls
SAMUEL:
wait i can tell what the walls are now
MAYATNIK:
Now they have been 'switched in' ..... there are 'walls' if they are wanted.
SAMUEL:
theres somthing in the center
SAMUEL:
its big and round
SAMUEL:
we wud call it very exensive art
SAMUEL:
like a sphear on something
SAMUEL:
massive
MAYATNIK:
I got cut offline then...... after 'massive'..... back now.
SAMUEL:
shear
SAMUEL:
like a very expensive peice of art
SAMUEL:
big round thing in the center
SAMUEL:
what is it
MAYATNIK:
it's creative and 'stretching' in how it makes you feel.
SAMUEL:
o i see
SAMUEL:
it looks like somthing wed pay alot of money 4 down here
MAYATNIK:
Yes........but THAT is not just an Earth object...... it is art that is 'living' in a sense you can't understand.  It actually expresses ITSELF.
SAMUEL:
I see
MAYATNIK:
You can walk around as much as you like - you know.
SAMUEL:
why does it feel like im REALY there. others are looking at me
MAYATNIK:
Because you ARE there !
SAMUEL:
please explain
MAYATNIK:
You've simply been transferred........ like going to another website.
SAMUEL:
thats very true
SAMUEL:
ok i just got a alien do somthing,,, sily i think is the word
SAMUEL:
a alien pulled a funny jesture at me
SAMUEL:
wiggeld its head in a silly manner
MAYATNIK:
they're trying to show you that they can see you.
SAMUEL:
looked very "sily" its a bad word buts its all i got
MAYATNIK:
They  were told in advance of you coming...... but they know how to react to visitors of all kinds, anyway.
SAMUEL:
i know it wasnt hostile from it witch i spoz was the point
SAMUEL:
look exzentric lol
SAMUEL:
wiggled its head then carryed on walking
MAYATNIK:
they were 'putting it on' for you.....
SAMUEL:
i know THATS the word he "PUT IT ON"
MAYATNIK:
they're "playing"........ being friendly, acting "silly" if you like, deliberately.
SAMUEL:
lol still surprises me, the reality of it... actually really being there  lol. tis just time
SAMUEL:
better than them showing me there teeth
MAYATNIK:
They're not like that at all.
MAYATNIK:
When you get more experience, you'll be taken to 'meetings' that they have...... like committee meetings, etc.
SAMUEL:
i know its a turn of speech, to show teeth means to show hostility
SAMUEL:
how come u didnt tell me bout thi earlyer
SAMUEL:
??

MAYATNIK:
I've encountered a problem here...... PC has run out of memory........which means it's pointers are corrupted..... so I'm going to have to RESTART unfortunately........can you *save* this conversation please, since I may lose it ?
SAMUEL:
sure.  Why do you need to save it ?
MAYATNIK:
I need a COPY of this one for KAREK, she has asked for it specially to be saved.
SAMUEL:
i I .........   ok got it and OMG !.... its from 5 this mornin
SAMUEL:
lol why does karek want it
MAYATNIK:
I'll tell you about all that later..... I've also lost the post, I think,  that I was half-way through.... this PC is very difficult to work with..........I'm going down now...... will RESTART..... back in 2 mins if there are no other PC problems.
SAMUEL:
ok bud
MAYATNIK:
ok
..................

SAMUEL:
U BK?
MAYATNIK:
back now  
SAMUEL:
DOES IT MAKE UR EYES MOVE AND LEGS TWITCH WHEN UR "there"
MAYATNIK:
shouldn't make your leg twitch.
SAMUEL:
not alot my leg just jumped 1nce
SAMUEL:
but it felt like moving my eye was moving my eyes there
SAMUEL:
i think its coz im new at this
MAYATNIK:
You WERE there......... your 'eyes' are not what they seem..... they're what you think they are.
SAMUEL:
I touched something, Mashway says – thats why I twitched..... i learnt a lesson, dont touch butons
MAYATNIK:
You should not 'touch'...... just observe..... you can walk around,
everything like that is normal.
MAYATNIK:
you should feel like you've got a 'body' up there - so your 'eyes' will move normally.
SAMUEL:
they was but it felt like my mind wa making a conection to my pysical, like I didnt have to do it
MAYATNIK:
Your mind can be 'connected' anywhere.
SAMUEL:
anywere?
MAYATNIK:
Look at it another way.... your 'normal' place is UP THERE..... you just happen to be 'connected' down here for what is called 'a lifetime' experience.
SAMUEL:
i see
SAMUEL:
were i was i carnt see a exit
MAYATNIK:
The computer just switched you... to up there, to a place chosen to show you.
MAYATNIK:
you don't need any 'exit'.... you just get switched to somewhere else..... it's what happens in Teleportation, except that here they're leaving your body 'active' here, so you can type.
SAMUEL:
I understand.......... o so they dont have "DOORS"
MAYATNIK:
Yes..... doors are there if they want them to be there.......... but normally you just 'go' to the next place........easier.
SAMUEL:
it felt like the large room was incomple, as in only allowed to see so much
MAYATNIK:
Yes..... that is true.......... but it is the room YOU were seeing........ not the 'restricted' parts..... you don't have that 'status'.
SAMUEL:
i see, sum computers looked incomplete, like there was more to them
MAYATNIK:
what else do you see around that area
SAMUEL:
barly anything, just the "ART" ..... and about 5 aliens (looks like a mix between peiadlens and zeta ??!?)
SAMUEL:
all busy
SAMUEL:
and a few machines
SAMUEL:
big place
MAYATNIK:
Yes..... those two species.
SAMUEL:
one was small and i meet a pleiatian, but i kud see others
SAMUEL:
i wanted to go say hi to every1
MAYATNIK:
They can read your mind, they know.
SAMUEL:
ov course lol
SAMUEL:
forgot
MAYATNIK:
they gently 'tune-in'.... but mainly they are busy... so aren't listening to everything you think... only if it's about THEM..... just as you would 'tune in' if you heard your name called.
SAMUEL:
i see
SAMUEL:
its very misty there but no mist and crystal clear. does that make any sence at all
MAYATNIK:
That's the way they let you see it... because it's 'incomplete', they're only showing you part of what's really there.   You can't read their minds (or talk to them) unless they allow it..... you can ask, may you speak to someone to say Hello... Just think it in your head now.
SAMUEL:
i will thats a good idea
SAMUEL:
1 sec
MAYATNIK:
Just think the request

///// PC Crashed at this point !!!
///// Frustrating ! //////////////

///// Later, after getting back online:

SAMUEL:
hi.  that was a frikin mission ....so how come u didnt tell me i cud do this earlyer
SAMUEL:
incoming email for you... copy of convo you lost in the crash
MAYATNIK:
hello... oh thanks...... sorry I was away
SAMUEL:
no problemo
SAMUEL:
so why did u choose not to tell me i cud do this earlyer
MAYATNIK:
ok...... got email........ it wasn't time for you to know before
SAMUEL:
(again i say this, i dont mean it in any hostile way)
SAMUEL:
it helps me fill the picture
SAMUEL:
i h8 gaps
MAYATNIK:
If you are given too much at once, you don't see the full picture...... eg. you have to acclimatize to weightlessness first before you can walk in space......the same applies here.
SAMUEL:
o i know you do everything with good reason
SAMUEL:
just when i "CAN" know i like o know
MAYATNIK:
Don't want to confuse you.... just as soon as you are ready - the very second!  - you will be given what comes next
MAYATNIK:
Mashway, me and Karek were talking while you were typing away before..... so we decided to do your 'walkabout'.
SAMUEL:
i know,i know that coz ur so eager to tell me when i can know, please ask karek if she knows a species by this name "telsian"
MAYATNIK:
Yes, she does.
SAMUEL:
i was just speaking to him/her
SAMUEL:
there most defintly pleaidien
SAMUEL:
spelt wrong
SAMUEL:
to tall
SAMUEL:
wow this is amazing
MAYATNIK:
I was told 'long arms'
SAMUEL:
sorry i had to hear Karek say it, yes
SAMUEL:
didnt REALLY notice but it sounds correct
SAMUEL:
i find the way they look at you amazing
SAMUEL:
the expression. kud u be sending any1 more sighns of PEACE
MAYATNIK:
And you have just walked into one of their 'restricted' areas
SAMUEL:
PEACE and great KNOLEGDE
SAMUEL:
o o
SAMUEL:
i was sent there
SAMUEL:
i just cald out "please talk to me" lol
MAYATNIK:
I'm listening to you....waiting for your descriptions..........
SAMUEL:
nothing. i was there for 2 secs
SAMUEL:
just asid in my mind i wanted to speak to sum1
SAMUEL:
then this talsian fellow aproached me
SAMUEL:
wait i was restriked of less things like i cud see nothing here
SAMUEL:
*restricted
SAMUEL:
nothing but him
SAMUEL:
that might explain the "look"
MAYATNIK:
They can turn on/off certain features......like the room, themselves, selected equipment
SAMUEL:
comes with status
SAMUEL:
<---- hey this kid IS learning lol
SAMUEL:
next time i think il look like less of a complete scruff b4 i go back there
MAYATNIK:
Yes........... And it has been decided that you can share that knowledge-experience with the Astral Pulse members – it is permitted for them to know what you saw, Karek says.
SAMUEL:
shud i feel like i shud be throwing a party in my honour for progressing to this point???
SAMUEL:
i shall
MAYATNIK:
You've only just begun.
SAMUEL:
ok.... ok, had to check it out with Mashway
SAMUEL:
she said yes i must
MAYATNIK:
I'm being told to edit this chat to post "when the time is right", they'll decide.
SAMUEL:
i know it will get so much better. but being at the beggining of being able to do somthing sooo amazing, i feel like frowing a party for me
MAYATNIK:
The idea is, Karek says......for me to edit this part of the conversation – not the whole hours long chat session - into a form that will give all the details - "just as they happen" verbatim format, exact transcript from the conversation.....
SAMUEL:
Mashway says that is exzactly correct
MAYATNIK:
Like...<"SeekingAnswers goes 'Walkabout'>
SAMUEL:
sorry everything now gets checked out with my lady guide.
MAYATNIK:
Did she mean what I was about to send to you above ?
SAMUEL:
u free planned this together didnt u.
MAYATNIK:
I got the message === MASHWAY SAYS THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT === just as I was about to press <send> button to send you "SeekingAnswers goes WALKABOUT"
SAMUEL:
no she ment about posting this chat on Astral Pulse.
SAMUEL:
i asked her
SAMUEL:
if that was right
MAYATNIK:
I told you above......... Mashway , Karek and I were discussing whether to do that 'experience' for you....... and when we decided, we started to do it......... that's when I told you ... and then you went 'walkabout'..... as pre-planned by the 3 of us.
SAMUEL:
i dont doubt u at all. i just check everything out with her. get her stamp of approval
SAMUEL:
i didnt see u typed that till i scrolled up jus now
MAYATNIK:
You have to ALWAYS have that habit now.... check always with your guide..... make it automatic.
SAMUEL:
it seems to be
SAMUEL:
well this will gain me resect of the serious, and I'll lose dignity with those who are time wasters...... so its good on 2 levels
SAMUEL:
mashways says thats part of the everything falling into place
MAYATNIK:
That's it...... as Mashway says..... it's all part of a 'bigger picture'.
SAMUEL:
yer, everything falls to make more than 1 point
SAMUEL:
so what else can i do with this " trick" then???
SAMUEL:
that i can know
MAYATNIK:
Trick ?  Mashway says, "I'm going to hit him in a minute !"
MAYATNIK:
Then your ear will be ringing !
SAMUEL:
lol its my way i prenounce things
SAMUEL:
part of me
SAMUEL:
she knows what i mean
SAMUEL:
o my god
SAMUEL:
just as i typed that
SAMUEL:
i heard "no, I really will hit u" lololol
SAMUEL:
in a joking voice
SAMUEL:
i always make BIG things into littly things for the IRONIY
SAMUEL:
yum yum... here comes the 3rd butt rolly of the day
MAYATNIK:
You've just been transported one hundred thousand miles to the Mothership  - and you call that a 'trick' ?!?!
SAMUEL:
like i said IRONIY
SAMUEL:
no i dont feel its a trick
MAYATNIK:
It's not a 'trick'.... they 'connected' you... you were actually 'tapped-in' by them – so that you could really actually *be there*.
SAMUEL:
its just my way of making it feel natural to me..... it was spontainios
MAYATNIK:
Nothing will ever be 'natural' again.
SAMUEL:
what do u mean
SAMUEL:
ok mashways calming me down now ur getting me very worryied
MAYATNIK:
I mean.....that you are an emissary for the Pleiadians........ambassadors do not use common words like 'trick' to describe the technology of the Pleiadians – their 'computer' *connected* your consciousnous to actually take you there.
SAMUEL:
but i just acept things
SAMUEL:
its what iv learnd to just absorb
SAMUEL:
wud i have said earlyer i wanted to frow a party if i thourght it was sum trick
MAYATNIK:
Karek says, "People on Astral Pulse need to see how you describe your very real 'visit' ...... not as a 'trick' but as a reality" ...... performed by their computer.
MAYATNIK:
That's ok. I'm trying to indtroduce you to something here....... do you remember that alien...... how he stood, he was proud of who and where he was....... he was chosen from many to be there....... and you were chosen to visit there........ very very few ever have done in 'actuality' by their computer *connection* to transfer your consciousness.
SAMUEL:
i see what ur saying
SAMUEL:
but i ment NO disrespect
MAYATNIK:
This is part of your lesson......... the ETIQUETTE of Galactic species.......and their Emissaries.
SAMUEL:
it was just so ur brain wud understand my refrence
SAMUEL:
etiquette
MAYATNIK:
Yes
MAYATNIK:
You must always be calm...... that is to be Pleiadian in your bearing and outlook..
MAYATNIK:
You need to learn to be calm..... always.
SAMUEL:
i just went there and appologised and they told me they were fine
SAMUEL:
an to stop wasting my time
MAYATNIK:
That is good.
SAMUEL:
phew
SAMUEL:
calm
SAMUEL:
so its my duty to be calm
MAYATNIK:
So...... don't waste any more of your time........ you have a duty......... as a Pleiadian emissary, through your guide, on Earth........ to be calm........ to represent the Pleiadians.
SAMUEL:
i see
MAYATNIK:
It is a great honor to serve
MAYATNIK:
You may be asked to do other things....... but your main job will be to channel..... and to use the various Pleiadian tools given to you...... one of which you have just been using......... 'connection' via their computer, taken  to the Mothership....... you visited them in actuality......not a dream, or in memditiaton...... but in reality.
SAMUEL:
wow
MAYATNIK:
You will gain status in due couse - but you need to be diligent..... and then  you wil be able to use the computer YOURSELF.
SAMUEL:
wow
SAMUEL:
can u use it
MAYATNIK:
Yes.  Because I have the 'status', have passed many tests that were presented to me.......You will have tests too, and when you are ready you will be able to use it and do many other things too.  A guide is always present – we are given that power only under supervision.
MAYATNIK:
You are in charge of the 'vehicle' called Samuel..... so your consciousness isnormally here...... your consciousness went there....but you were 'aware' of here, as in a dream.
SAMUEL:
thats correct... here feels not so real
SAMUEL:
never made the CLiCK
MAYATNIK:
I did what you have done many years ago now.
SAMUEL:
i bet u see so much
SAMUEL:
wow i bet its so amazing
SAMUEL:
i mean it amazing when I go there
MAYATNIK:
I see what I require to see..... for a particular purpose........ like you wouldn't keep going to the door to look out unless you needed to.
SAMUEL:
2night b4 im go to sleep im just going to go there and get to know every1, if u get what i mean
SAMUEL:
spend some time there
MAYATNIK:
Yes....... you will practice this much now........ and see many different places....... have different 'experiences' and learn things.
SAMUEL:
kool
MAYATNIK:
Mashway will accompany you.
SAMUEL:
wow i thourght she was lieing when she said il meet her race this month , when i say 'lie' i mean test
MAYATNIK:
I understand...........
MAYATNIK:
We decided it was the right time today, because you were doing very well.
SAMUEL:
that was my second day qeustion
SAMUEL:
wow is it normal to come so far so fast!!!
SAMUEL:
ok mashway says it can take sum people years
MAYATNIK:
No, it's not 'normal' to have been as quick as you have been, only a matter of less than 14 days from not even knowing the Pendulum, or anything about this.  You were very receptive – so you learned.
MAYATNIK:
Plus it's because I can contact your guide and she gives me progress reports, and suchlike.  I talk to Mashway sometimes, as well as to Karek, while I'm talking to you here on MSN.
SAMUEL:
i figured
SAMUEL:
why do "I" have 2 learn so fast
MAYATNIK:
You don't HAVE to learn so fast........ you are ABLE to learn so fast........ because I am here to help you gain a fast 'rapport' with your guide Mashway, and that you are now doing well.  She will now be able to work directly with you in many ways, for what there is to be done.
SAMUEL:
i see
MAYATNIK:
It doesn't matter what a person is in this world........they could be President of the USA ........ and he still would not be able to do what you have just done so quickly in a matter of only days training from scratch.... it cannot come about until a person is considered by the guides as 'ready' – and that means being open and fully receptive.......You are !
SAMUEL:
wow
SAMUEL:
mashway says im talented
MAYATNIK:
You are
SAMUEL:
"you are certainly talented sam" /M
SAMUEL:
but only because you are here
SAMUEL:
so how does that work
SAMUEL:
ok she says it becauseim acepting what others wud not
MAYATNIK:
That's what I told you......... accepting....... that's the KEY.
SAMUEL:
im starting to learn to ask MY LADY guide as well as you now. its coming fru so clear..... its natural
MAYATNIK:
It'll become as natural as breathing..... in any situation......... you will see.
SAMUEL:
im starting to relise, and the presure in my ear is easing when she speaks
SAMUEL:
i think it was to get me use to it
SAMUEL:
why does somthing i wanted to do so much (astralP) feel so like a childs game
MAYATNIK:
You've just outgrown  what is called Astral Projecttion by 1 million years.
SAMUEL:
lol
SAMUEL:
ordinary AP  seems like 1 big waste of time
MAYATNIK:   No.........
MAYATNIK:
Each person has to learn at their level.
SAMUEL:
hey they may do as they like
MAYATNIK:
That's what they're here for.  Everyone is different.  Everyone must be respected.
SAMUEL:
o i c that makes sence
MAYATNIK:
Now........ you have to learn to see with 'detachment'...... but compassion.
SAMUEL:
i see to understand
SAMUEL:
i didnt think there ws any relation
MAYATNIK:
Detachment is not 'distancing' – it is seeing things from a Higher Perspective, and the overall picture is much clearer from that perspective..... and everything can be looked at with compassion, it is then not subjectively seen from any human 'narrow' point of view.
MAYATNIK:
I have to go now.... posts to attend to...... Talk later.
SAMUEL:
Ok.....when yur free thanks .....talk later.

/////// end of Transcript ///////////

Samuel is a 17 year old Dyslexic (and incidentally his lexographic and writing ability has improved remarkably over the last few days as a result of gaining his telepathic abilities), and he lives in the UK.  He contacted me about a fortnight ago asking could I help him as he thought he had a guide but had not been able to make any contact.  I gave him personal online tuition to use the Pendulum (I commenced this tuition of him before I posted my Pendulum article to start off that thread), and he used that personal tuition to establish contact and communicate initially with his guide.    Within 3 days he was able to talk telepathically to his guide.  He asked me what his guide was called, so Karek told me it was "Mashway", and he used the Pendulum to confirm this.  But Mashway has now turned off the Pendulum to encourage him to only use Telepathy, and the above transcript shows how rapidly he has progressed in such a short space of time.  His latest report to me – this morning – is that he has told his mother everything (he was hesitant at first to tell her, although she is a healer), and he tells me that she was not only delighted but said that she knew many of the things he was telling her anyway, and is now going to introduce him to clairvoyant friends she has so that he can learn from them also, but that I should remain his Mentor.  Samuel's mother has also now given him a clear quartz Pendulum, which Mashway is delighted with, and Mashway has turned the Pendulum 'facility' back on so he can use it at times, and it swings vigourously - but Mashway has said that Telepathy is the way forward, and the Pendulum is only for "certain occasions", because - as Mashway said to him, and I have also stressed on the Pendulum thread - it is only an aid for inne-development and exploration until one gets a guide and becomes telepathic (using the Pendulum correcly aids this speedily).  Also, as Karek and Mashway say, the Pendulum is NOT a channeling device, and channeling can only be done with Telepathy.  Samuel is now a Trainee Channeler, so - like myself, as a Full Channeler - can only use Telepathy for that, to relay the words of our guides for people to know the Truth.

I hope this will be of help Frank, and also any other members who read this.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Your posts are very encouraging and inspiring, MAYATNIK. I hope (really don't want to use that word "hope") i'll make some progress because of them. It feels like i already have actually. I can't seem to thank you enough []

[KP]

Very interesting read!  I love reading these long posts, it takes up my dull hours at work

It's funny that i'm reading all this because the last few weeks sometimes when I wake up on a morning, my ears begin to hurt and I hear voices.  I talk back to them, but when I get out of bed I usually forget the conversations straight away.  It's a woman's voice but it could be anyone.  I usually become a bit frightened of the pain and break free, resisting it - probably not the right thing to do.    

I've tried talking to a guide during meditations and only recieved a few very quiet words.  The name "Rainbow Seed" which i'm not so sure on.  I've been through a lot of telepathy in the past, where I would hear most my girlfriend's deep thoughts and sometimes close friends/family.  I would sometimes answer questions before being asked.  I get the ability every now and then but it seems to come and go depending on the flow of a certain energy that is flowing through me.

After reading the pendulum thread yesterday, I actually ordered a pendulum and recieved it this morning in the post (quick delivery!).  It's also a clear quartz one.  I did a few tests with it this lunchtime and asked it for a "yes" and a "no".  Both swung different directions.  I'm excited about trying more with it after work.

[celticmagick909]

Wow this is a total reality check, I just sat here and read all of what was typed...took me damn near a hour and a half! lol. You know that I just recently posted a new topic about contacting aliens through astral projection, and then a lil' bit later I stumbled onto this post. I thought is this a coincedence? And then I remembered that I dont believe in coincedences..lol

Well I must say I really don't know what to make of all this stuff. I can see how some of what you say is true, and then there are some stuff that doesn't seem very true, but not alot. Ive always believed that there was some form of an advanced civilation out there somewhere but didnt know what to think of it or where to look to find awnsers. But all this still doesnt really make sense right now, and I seen you mention the pendulum method to contact your guide, but I must have missed it, guess I'll have to look back over the post.

I'll be sure to try and contact my guide somehow, but whats strange is that when I write this I think to myself how big of an butt I would feel if this was all bullcrap. But who cares?

Very interesting and controversial post here.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

First of all, I would liek to thank MAYATNIK for his most excellent posts here - may there be many more of them.

I would simply like to make the point that we are reckoned to be the fifth race to set foot upon the path back to our creator, and since the other four races were clearly not of this planet, they must have evolved on other planets in the universe, those around Pleiades being at least one one of them. And then there is Arcturus of course.

There is one race reckoned to be behind us on the path somewhere in the universe.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Nick]

These are fascinating discussions. I had not really delved into such matters as "advanced civilizations" as for example, the Pleidians. So I went ahead and ordered two of the books that were mentioned in Mayatnik's post:

Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians
by Barbara Marciniak, Tera L. Thomas (Editor)

and  

The Pleiadian Agenda: A New Cosmology for the Age of Light
by Barbara Hand Clow, Brian Swimme (Introduction)

There is a lot of valuable knowledge at this forum. It fantastic that we can communicate from all over the world like this.

It will be more amazimg when we are all doing it telepathically, I'm sure.

Very best,

[Frank]

Mayatnik: You have opened a new door of discovery for me, for which I most sincerely thank you. You have independently confirmed something I have been seeking for almost a year.

Yours,
Frank

[Farce Adentus]

Absolutely fascinating Mayatnik.
Thank you for posting. and thank you Frank for starting this thread.
I've ordered 2 of the books you mentioned and cant wait to get reading!
God bless you brother!

Farce Adentus

[Lasher]

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK

There is a misconception in the first part of your question, but regarding the second part, Yes – they do visit us regularly, although in recent years they can be said to be here constantly, encamped as it were, out there in space... around 100,000 miles away but in a 'higher dimension' so cannot be seen.  

MAYATNIK,

I was wondering if you remember Heaven's Gate?  That incident a few years back where a group of folks who believed that they were in touch with aliens committed mass suicide.  The media portrayed it as a crazy cult.  But now I am beginning to wonder because you say that they exist on a higher dimension and the Heaven's Gate folks believed there was a spaceship trailing the Hale/Bopp Comet.  Astronomers detected no ship, but if it was on a higher level, then maybe it was beyond their abilities to detect.

Still, the idea of committing suicide like that does not seem to be very enlightened or spiritual.  What's your take?

-Do you know if they were really in touch with aliens?
-If yes, which race?
-And most important, Did the aliens tell the Heaven's Gate folk to kill themselves?
-If not, then what happened with those folks?  Were they just over anxious to reuinite permanently with the aliens?

If you have any insight into this, I would be very interested.
Thank you.  And thank you for all of the time and attention that you put in here at the Astral Pulse.

Lasher

[MAYATNIK]

LASHER –

Thank you for the very important point you raise, regarding the "Heaven's Gate" people who, as the Media put it were a "Crazy Cult", because they claimed to be in touch with Aliens.  They WERE "crazy" to commit suicide, and that is the danger of any cult.  The Pleiadians stress, in all their teachings, to avoid cults of any kind, even groups that have a 'leader', because such leaders cloud and confuse the Free Will of the individual and produce the Lemming Mentality, often hysterically fanatical following of what the 'leader' says instead of thinking for theimselves.  In fact, all cults have been proven to be suppressive in what they allow their members to think or do, and are a 'closed-minded' single body that is what the 'leader' proclaims to be right, and horrific stories abound about what such cults have done to people and their minds.  Cults don't just mean the obviously fanatical, and there are many of that ilk where the 'agenda' is cleverly disguised – such as religions where the 'thinking' of its flock are very closely monitored and controlled and such groups or bodies are strongly discoured, even 'punished' if they read outside the 'prescribed doctrine', or even talk to others who are not of that 'pursuasion'.  Any group, organization or website that promotes an 'exclusive' view (and this is most often evidenced by references to 'secrets' or 'salvation' available "only to members" – who usually have to pay in some way for being a member, and often large amounts of money and  restriction to their freedom of thinking) are cult-ish.   It is the opposite that is required for Free Will, and for the individual to grow in their own way; thus, not 'exclusive' but INclusive – allowing for all, and respecting all..... that is the Pleiadian teaching, and the reason to avoid groups dictated to by leaders.  Dogmas are set-in-stone rules that limit growth, quickly lead to stagnation and when tied to a 'leader' who has made such rules there is only one Will, that of the cult's leader.  A key element of most cults is to even restrict any 'power' to those at the very top, those in the 'inner circle' – so all the people can do is follow like sheep, since the 'mystical' power to communicate with an invisible higher source belongs to the few who then issue proclamations of what the rank-and-file are required to do for their supposed 'higher-good', even if that means to commit suicide.

I shall answer your questions, to shed light on what really was going on with the "Heaven's Gate" cult.....

1.
" -Do you know if they were really in touch with aliens?
-If yes, which race?"

The cult leader had established contact with an Alien Race, yes.  No race of etra-terrestrial Beings working in this sector of the galaxy is permitted to encourage cult followings, and there are many other strict rules applied by the Galactic Federation through its Council, which governs the activities of the Council of Worlds of which each participating member may have its own interests but may only participate with regard to the Earth project if they not only observe the 'rules' but actively assist in aiding Man in his evolution and especially in this time of the Transition, according to the Pleiadian Agenda to rebirth the planet Earth into a Higher Dimension.

So, which particular race of Beings were contacted by that cult leader is irrelevent, because they did NOT advocate any of the actions that were undertaken by the cult.  In fact, such actions were purely those implemented by the "Heaven's Gate" leader,  Further to this, he received no instructions from the time that it was seen that his actions and thoughts were fanatical, and he was merely referred to the 'teachings' and to study them carefully and think so as to better understand. Anyone can contact such Beings, but they are never encouraged to pursuade and coerce others, especially they are not encouraged to withhold their communication ability but to help others to have the same one-to-one communication ability – since this will always avoid such behaviour that is evidenced in cults of all kind.

2.
" -And most important, Did the aliens tell the Heaven's Gate folk to kill themselves?

At no time whatsoever did the Aliens suggest that those people should kill themselves.  In fact, the 'rule' is to promote living and survival at all costs.  Suicide is, in any definition, an escape from this world.  Since we are all sent down here (and in fact volunteered for the experiences that were pre-set for us to gain Wisdom) this is an anathema, and an avoidance of people's opportunities to not only learn but by interaction to help others, and share their experiences.

We live in a world that is fraught with stress for those who follow the 'rat-race' on the econmically-driven treadmill that is called 'Modern Society'.  More and more now, people are beginning to see this, and are opting out wherever they can – I, for example, have chosen to live my life in total dedication to help others; I had a career in Management, was a successful stage musican, but recognised that I was simply a part of the 'machine', being used to make money for Fat Cats and that like-mentality.  As a musician my 'job' was at its core to get the audience to fever pitch, whereupon they would buy the products available on the premises.  I could charge double what other musicians charged because I had the ability to draw people in to fill an otherwise empty stagnant club that was dying, but what I was paid was nothing compared to the large profits that were made by the owners as a result of me being there – and that's all that mattered to them.  I put my heat and soul into my music, and so do many musicians – but they are exploited and the public is beguiled by glossy mogul-promotion, even to the extent of creating an 'artificial' "superstar-type product" out of somebody who does not even have any intrinsic musical ability.  Such is the way of the world, in all spheres now, and people are further indoctrinated by the Media and TV especially to conform to an "image".  As a result of young people being made to feel inadequate when seeing their idols on TV slim and glamourised with unreal "beauty" many go out and spend way over their means on products that have no beneficial effect (and even worse, adversely affect their minds) so we have a dramatic rise in society of such as feelings of inadequancy, anorexia, stress induced illness (95% of ALL illness is stress related) and even suicide.

It is, as a result of people becoming aware of the reality of our so-called Civilized Society that they are sometimes sadly drawn into cults, fanatical religions that promise them nirvana and enmesh them into an entrappment even worse than the one they seek to escape from.   Escape, and especially suicide is not the answer.

I gave up my career to look after my wife who was ill with a severe Nervous Breakdown, and retired to the countryside in order to get her better in that environment.  She did get a lot better over the 10 years that I cared for her night and day till her death from other causes.  We worked as a 'team', but totally individual, respecting and encouraging each other's hopes and dreams.  That, for me, is the only way to be – as an individual, respecting always the Free Will of others.

3.
"-If not [told to kill themselves], then what happened with those folks?"

They were not told to kill themselves (as I've said above), but they were in possession of certain knowledge that I possess regarding what happens when a person dies – but I, unlike them, am very careful how I explain things in order to avoid misunderstandings; also, I only explain - if indeed permitted to by my guide (to whom the best interests of people is paramount) – what is correct.  And the leader of that cult not only had a distorted communication (because of his inability to address his own inner-development) but he was grossly irresponsible in his leadership of those people he had gathered to him.

The truth of the matter, concerning what we call 'death' is simply that the body is merely a 'vehicle' through which we each (that is, the 'soul') experience physical life on this planet, and it is in how we live that we attain Wisdom or avoid the lessons.  When we 'die' we simply vacate that vehicle, stop operating it.  Some vehicles of course are difficult since they are heavily conditioned by the circumstances that are often imposed upon them and which they need to break free from, but never is abandoning the vehicle the right way.  The way forward is to interact and by that means assist others in their growth to make a better world to 'live' in.  This world is like a large 'stage set' in which we each play our parts; so, our body is a 'character' in that production, weaving a thread as we go through life.  The Tapestry Weave is as preplanned, but it is up to us how long it takes to weave the picture as it was meant to be.  When our part is played out, then it is time to exit stage right and so we (our soul) is 'beamed up' – not exit exit stage-left in an escape.  Because, when we get up there we find out the true reality of all the lessons missed if we run away from life, whatever it may bring.  'Up there' we have Teachers and guides also, and spend time in classes reviewing our previous life, and planning with our teachers and 'classmates' in projects how we can learn in the next life lessons that the supervisors set for us.  Often, such souls in that 'class group' elect to come down and meet up at various times in the next lifetime; so, you see, Earth is a 'practical' exam in those terms.  That is why Murder is the worst crime – because it aborts the exam that the soul is sitting, as well as disrupting all the interactions that would have been made with others in that person's lifetime – in that way, others suffer also, not only in grieving the loss of that person but in so many other ways that they can not imagine, because what was meant to be can then never be.  I know, because my wife was murdered, and that changed the whole Tapestry.  So, this job has been given to me – a new 'weave' to accomplish what was meant to be in another way, and also help others see the Truth of what it is really all about.

4.
" the Heaven's Gate folks believed there was a spaceship trailing the Hale/Bopp Comet. Astronomers detected no ship, but if it was on a higher level, then maybe it was beyond their abilities to detect."

The 'information' that there was a spaceship trailing that comet was known to some others, apart from the "Heaven's Gate" peole – and Courtney Brown was one such.  Because Courtney was author of <COSMIC VOYAGE> concerning Remote Viewing, and the one who exposed in all its details the RV methods of the Majestic12 covert government group, then being so high profile was subjected to interrogation by the Media and divulged that this was in fact the case, that the Mothership was indeed coming in to our system at that time.  Such information should always be balanced by background facts, and sadly the Media is only interested in sensationalism, thus it not only had little credibility with the general public, but was seen by the "Heaven's Gate" people (who also had the information) as being their escape route to be 'beamed up', as they thought.  And it was a stupid thought, due to distorted knowledge given by their leader.  When people die it does not depend on any Mothership or any such – it is automatic, and dealt with by the Universal Computer. (of which the Collective Consciousness is a part); the 'soul' (it's 'essence' and its memories are simply returned to the Computer, and re-allocated to another body or realm as appropriate.  The Computer knows where they belong, and puts them there in other words.  All this talk of 'computers' from our earth-perspective is not easy to grasp, especially due to the heavy conditioning of religion though it is even so more notially plausible than the 'image' of a God and Angels floating about in a Wonderland doing nothing all day except figuratively float on clouds.  The reality of any realm is not that different to how we interact and do things, except that the Higher Realms are infinitely more Wise and have technologies beyond anything that we can imagine from this earth-perspective.  So, we can look at that famous series "STARTREK" and if we look beyond the obvious, then we can begin to get a glimmer of what it may be really like.  For instance, when (in that series) a Telepathic Being is put up onto the 'Viewscreen' it is not a TV screen at all, but only represented in that way for us to comprehend, and it does not need a TV camera at the other end.  Nevertheless, even to such highly evolved species there is a genetic continuance of 'norms', so such things as houses, art, the outward manifestation of such communicating can be still represented as a 'screen' but in fact is far far more than that.  For instance, the Aliens have a 'device' which would look like a Chevalle Mirror to us, and which they step through in order to attend meetings and concerts when they want to interact, in every way, as participants or an audience.  Lewis Carroll knew this, and built that knowledge into his fictional work, "Alice through the Looking Glass".  And, as I've mentioned in other posts, Teleportation is not possible for our carbon-based lifeform.  The crew of the REAL "Enterprise" of the REAL Federation are not the carbon-based humans of the future, they are of a physical form that can utilize Teleportation..... that is, they have  silicon-based bodies.  They can also exist without bodies, but when working in physical space they take on a body as appropriate in order to navigate at our dense level.  As such Beings come down through the densities they move slower and slower (although still much faster than we do).  Thus, the Mothership needed to approach under cover of the comet, because it had partial density and was moving relatively slowly.  Once stationary, it could then increase its vibration and 'go up' a density, effectively becoming totally invisible to our eyes and even the most sensitive scientific instruments.  The Mothership is now stationary at 100,000 miles away from the Earth, and the Computer maintains that position and all necessary functions.

SeekingAnswers (SAMUEL) was taken aboard the Mothership when his consciousness was 'connected' by the Computer to it (as described in the verbatim transcript given in my earlier post above).  He described several Alien species working together on that craft, all participating on behalf of the Federation.  You also saw described how they wiggled their heads to say, "Hey, we're really here Samuel – and we're friendly" although those Beings had a very prestigious job that only a few were chosen for out of the many that aspired to become the spacecrew and underwent long and exacting training for.  Those Beings know how to be with anyone, whether a President or the smallest child – not in terms of deferring to 'earthly status' but in seeing the person as they really are, an individual human being, and those Aliens are incredibly Wise, with Unlimited Love and Compassion.... and here to do a job to help Mankind at this time.

To learn more about the Mothership and how in fact humans have been taken up for visits (yes, even members of the US government) I recommend reading the book by Norma J. Milanovich
<WE THE ARCTURIANS>
because the Mothership is of Arcturian Technology, and was loaned to this Earth Project by that species along with all their expertise.  (Each species has in fact given their very best for use by the Federation in all of this).  As a matter of interest, Norma is the wife of the leading Computer Expert at NASA, and he could find no reason why her computer started to produce character on her screen of its own accord, and which were making sense.  This is a common phenomenon reported by many channelers, and even those who are starting to make contact or writing 'inspired' things for others to see.  I recall myself, when I first strted my training under my guide as a Channeler, that my computer would just 'freeze' up if they didn't want me to write something in a particular way... and it was not until I rethought my sentence that the computer would suddenly unfreeze and I could then write it.  Friends have reported the same thing happening to them until they too revised a particular piece.  The reason why they do this is not to take away Free Will, but as a way  of teaching and getting us to 'think' and be totally receptive  to their input rather than allowing our cognitive mind to interfere and colour what we are saying with our preconditioning.  To be a Channeler means to be exact, and not to mislead in any way.  And that is where the "Heaven's Gate" leader went completely wrong, by not listening carefully and so as a result misguided others.  First, in the Pleiadians' teaching comes inner-development, because only by proper use of the gift of Telepathy can their teaching be passed on to others – above all,  to preserve Free Will at all times.

5.
Were they just over anxious to reuinite permanently with the aliens?

Well, to clarify this for those who may not have read all my posts, we ARE in fact the Aliens experiencing evolution in a 3rd Density body in a lifetime that we 'live', and of course we return to being 'them'.  When we are back 'up there' our interest is always focussed on helping those down here in whatever manner we have the status for 'up there' – some are guides, some man spacecraft (a very dedicated  and highly skilled job that entails the crew not having a 'home' life as such), and there are many levels up through the realms or dimensions.  The "Heaven's Gate" people became euphoric about what they learned, and simply wanted to escape this world to be like their brothers and sisters 'up there' – and in so doing they missed the whole point of what it is all about. For them, the grass was greener on the other side, but they would not find the green grass they were expecting; instead they would find demotion, lowering of the status that they already had 'up there', because their actions were self-seeking and those of the 'deserter' to the cause they had been sent down for.  Shakespeare (himself a clairvoyant, and built into his plays much that was coded) said, "All the world's a stage, we each play our part" – and sadly, they opted out.

In conclusion, returning to the theme of this post regarding cults and groups, I have stressed in all my posts that one-to-one communication is the way forward, not 'group consensus'.  We should share our experiences – and this Forum is ideal for that – but each should (and will, if they are allowed to do themselves without coercion) develop in his/her own way at their own pace.  Our society promotes the idea of 'excellence by acclaim' and unfortunately all those who are on University bookshelves are not the Wisest; in fact, a child sometimes has more wisdom.  It is very sad, that children get intuition knocked out of them..."Don't say you've been playing with your 'invisible friend' – people will think you are mad", many a parent has said in their conditioned embarrassment, not wanting their child to show them up in public.  So it is, that children are forced into moulds, to go through college and university conforming to the set-in-stone ideas that are so often msconceptions due to previous conditioning but which are acclaimed.  The 'invisible friend' is put to the back of the mind, and then the door closed even... until, one day, a person sees the Light... and reopens that door.  So, I ask everybody to always be open and receptive, for beyond the door of our conditioned perception lies a true wonderland of exploration – but one we can work with by absorbing that greater knowledge outside the frontiers of man's closed mind... to work with for the good of all, not to escape from.

So, in my Pendulum thread <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!> you will indeed begin to see if you explore individually, with true openness, respect and willingness to learn from that unseen source all that the guides are waiting to bestow.  Yes, you will obtain some seemingly incorrect answers – that is deliberate, to get you to think, to teach..... because the answers will never be given on a plate; we must work towards understanding.... little by little, in order to firmly grasp that new perspective beyond the frontiers of our present perceptions.  The Pendulum is not a 'toy' – in fact a crystal Pendulum has always been the symbol (in its traditional 'diamon' shape) of communication between us and those on high in the heavens who gave it to mankind and taught its proper use (which became distorted over time, hence my thread giving the true origianl method).  In fact, the Pendulum is the real equivalent of the fictitious 'communicator' that Captain Kirk used in the "Startrek" TV series and Movies; their Computer reall does lock on to it, and knows exactly who you are and where you are.  The only difference is, that it is not there to 'beam up' anybody - You're here to live your life, and make it a good one !

Some say that my posts are very long.  My answer is, that "too little knowledge is a dangerous thing" – and of what there is to discover there is far more yet to be presented, but of what I give to you from my guide, there has to be sufficient detail for it not to be misunderstood, thus building a firm foundation to stand on and survey the 'landscape' at each increased level of perception.  In order to be able "to see the wood for the trees", as the saying goes, it is necessary to paint the picture clearly.

Thank you Lasher for your valuable input – sharing thoughts and interaction with discussion are the way forward always.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[celticmagick909]

Hello everyone,
  This is an interesting post, and has stirred some attention in me. Ever since reading this post I have been looking up info on the internet about Pleiadians, and other alien life forms.

I've also had some strange coincedences also. For example; have any of you ever watched, Total Recall, with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Well this is a part where a lil' mutant girl guesses that he is a taurus. Well later that night when I was looking up info on the Pleiadians I found that they are from a star named; Pleiada, and that it is located in the constellation of taurus. Well its not really a big coincedence, but there are some more bigger ones. Like there is a lady named; Barbara J. Marciniak, and I was on here site reading about her studies, what she does. I read an excerpt from one her books, and it told lots, and lots about the significance of the summer solstice, and how it pertains to opening your mind for telepathy, and the other things she mentioned. Well I was born on the summer solstice. Now I think that is an alot bigger coincedence, but perhaps im just too...whatever that word is..lol. But here is an alot, alot, alot bigger coincedence that happened last night. I SAW A FRICKEN U.F.O LAST NIGHT!!!!, and so did my friend. My friend Kevin, and I were sitting back in my laundry room smoking a cigarette with my sis, and an old friend. Well my sis happended to turn off the light, and right when she turned off the light me, and Kevin both noticed a light in the sky just above the tree line, and after about 2 seconds of looking at it it dissapeared, and I just kept quiet, and calm for I knew that Kevin saw it also, so I waited for him to say something first cause he had the right away in the conversation that were having at the moment anyways. He was like, "Did you guys just see that?", and I just looked at him and said, "yeah". So I got the impression that he thought that I didn't see it, but I happened to say U.F.O when the others asked what we saw. Okay on to the other part of the U.F.O incedent. It was about 20 seconds later when we all were gonna head into another room when Kevin was like, "Whoa!, I just saw the U.F.O again, but it was on the other side of the tree line, and then darted from the lower right to the upper left really fast, holy excrement!" But this time I missed seeing it, damnit! Oh well..atleast I saw it.

So mayatnik thanks for the great post for it has inspired me to look in different places, and has stirred a new topic for me to study, cause everything else has well, gotten boring...lol

Oh i'm kinda new here. So i'm a 19 y/o male, named Doug; that hails from northern Wisconsin.

I don't know what this is all supposed to mean...Maybe it's just really all a coincedence, and means nothing, or this is all a part of a whole new area of exploration of spirit, and mind that i'm sure will shock me to the core, and make me rethink reality, and my beliefs of the universe....

[Lasher]

Thank you for your detailed response to my question, Mayatnik. []

Of course every one of your posts makes me come up with fifty more questions. [:O]

I guess that's where the pendulum comes in.  If I can get a good connection with my guide going, then I can ask her instead so you can get some rest.

I got my pendulum this week.  It was that crystal one I ordered.  It's very nice.  I tried it for the first time last night.  I was very tired and about to go to bed.  I did the cleansing with water and the prayer ritual and then I asked a few questions (starting with the "please show me a yes" etc) The pendulum did move for me, but very tentatively.  I plan to work with it more over this holiday weekend (Independence Day in the U.S.) .

Ultimately, I would love it if my guide would do automatic writing with me through a pencil or keyboard.  Since I am not a typist, if she were to type through me with my eyes closed, that would assure me that my own thoughts and imagination are not getting in the way.

That's a real obstacle for me to overcome.  My unbidden thoughts and imaginings.  For example, when I pray for someone, I usually picture them in my mind, sitting or standing with light around them. Sometimes this works fine.  But other times, I cannot seem to hold the image still in my mind.  The image will begin making faces or acting weird or inappropriate.  It's like some part of my unconscious mind is trying to mess up the prayer.

So, I am concerned that this "party-pooper" part of my consciousness will get in the way with pendulum work and channeling and will confuse me as to whether I am communicating with my guide, or just some mischevious part of my unconscious mind.

I hate to waste the time of my guide with this sort of nonsense going on.  Any suggestions?

Lasher
 

[silentwitness78]

Wow. Well I guess I should introduce myself first. My name is Daniel and I have been a friend of Edwards (Mayatnik) for almost a year now. The circumstances of how we came to be friends is a story in itself but I will skip the big intro and get to why I am here (It's almost 4 in the morning here and I'm running on empty!)

I have been struggling for a long time now. Edward has helped me through some dark times and he's been with me through some facinating, wonderful moments as well. It has been a long and drawn out battle for me but I have finally stopped struggling and have let go. I have been reading his posts and posts of others on here for awhile now but have been in a state of confusion for a long time. I quit my high paying job, left many friends behind and decided it was time to do God's work. I struggled. I got worried, depressed, I drank, and pretty much ran away from what I knew I had to do.

The real "shock and awe" began a long time ago when I started to use the pendulum. At first it seemed hokey to me ... "yeah right" i thought. I started out with a friggen bathtub plug on a shoestring as Mayatnik helped me create. Silly I thought. Struggling to let go of my skeptism I finally got fed up and ended up throwing the damn thing accross the room one day. Weeks passed and I didn't even give the pendulum a 2nd thought. Edward would always ask me if I was practicing or what not but I'd always say "Oh i'm going to go out and buy a REAL pendulum. Low and behold time passed and I never put much effort into finding a "real" pendulum. Well one day, buy TOTAL chance and Synchronicity I ended up at a new age shop about a 2 MINUTE drive from my house! (I've lived here 5 years and had no idea this place existed) To my suprise I found an assortment of beautiful Pendulums. One specifically caught my eye. The man at the counter asked me how it felt, if I felt a connection bla bla bla I said yeah give it to me! So here I was with a real pendulum ... no bathplug dangling in front of me to make me feel silly. A real shiny beautiful Pendulum! And the circumstances that brought it to me were surreal, synchronicity at it's finest. There must be something to this I thought!

So with Edwards help I practiced. At first it was still silly to me and I felt I was fooling myself. But with time I started to get a sort of raport or connection with my pendulum ... hard to explain ... like when I went fishing as a kid and could feel the fish nibbling ... I knew when the pendulum was moving on it's own but it still was hard for me to believe. At first I asked silly fear based questions ... unimportant things. With time and Mayatniks help I learned to ask better questions. Then came the panic. All of a sudden I really started to believe. I got excited. My God I thought. A yes or no answer to ANY question in the world I wanted. It made sense. In my past I had met Wayne Dyer and he told me I could have a yes or no answer to any question I ever wanted, I just had to keep going. I wish I was that wise I thought back then! It was all making sense. The puzzle pieces were fitting together. Then the panic. I fell. I fell hard. I started to go out more with my friends, spent all my money, got drunk waaay to often, I was becoming an alcoholic. I stopped doing spiritual things. I stopped meditating, I stopped living and eating healthy. I had fallen apart. (This is when I decided it was time to quit my job and focus on getting myself back on track) I quit and the first few days were good ... I visited old friends, tried to organize, but then *boom* something really bad happened. I did something Aweful that I still have not told anyone to this day and still seems surreal in my mind. I screwed up. Big time. Days went buy and I lived with FEAR. Thinking I was going to get caught. There was no way I could get away with this. But the days came and went and nothing happened. God saved me. This was not the first time but this time I knew it. It was God showing me I need not worry ... just to let go. I tried. But I was so depressed that weeks had now gone buy, I'd quit my job, had NO money (still have 0$) and people were starting to question me and think I had lost my mind. I became a hermit. Did not leave my house much, drank, smoked marijuana, I ran ever deeper away from truth. But then, very recently, I had a moment, I looked at myself in the mirror and said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

So I am back. I am more alive now than I ever have been! In just days my life started to transform! I let go. I had a conversation with God and told him I was tired of fighting, tired of struggling. I asked for his will to be done. I let go. I've been flying ever since!

Now. Back to the Pendulum. I ran away because of the answers I received, they scared me, I did not want to here the truth. Everyone says they want truth but the truth (no pun intended) is that most people are too afraid to here the real truth. So they hide. They lie to themselves. They run away, as I did. No more. I have started work with the pendulum again and it is amazing! Whooo i'm so excited I just can't hide it! Step by step i'm slowly losing my fears!! Amazing! Following my heart and my intuition combined with my Pendulum things are happening that I cannot even put into words!!!! Magic! It's alive like never before! I can feel changes! big changes! BIG changes! This is what I have been waiting for ALL MY LIFE! I am awakening to things! realizing things. remembering things .... i feel like a kid again! Whoooooo!

The only word of advice I have for those starting out with the Pendulum is this. Have an open heart and an open mind! Judge nothing! If you are skeptical ... the pendulum will not work for you right away until you lose that skeptism and trust! Trust in God! My hope is that I have given some of you a spark to open your hearts and give it an honest try. People have opened there minds to stranger things and found joys and wonders that words cannot express. If you believe with an open heart that you will receive the answers to your questions this is what you will receive! Ask and ye shall receive! This is truth! I just wanted to jump on and say thank you to Mayatnik and hopefully help some of you find a treasure that may change your life and bring you much joy and truth. Anyhow it's really late now, I've gone on and on so I will leave you now and end this with a thank you. Thanks for listening my dear friends and may love and joy find you wherever you are.

- All my love
- Daniel

[travelinbob]

I ve shared this story in this forum before but I will again and I'd like to hear Mayatnik's opinion.:

I had a "dream" 2 years ago in which I was contacted by aliens. They told me that they were in contact with a certain well known mystical society, and had been for a while. And that that was there big secret. Then they woke me up with a strong vibration all over my body. (The obe vibes) I was startled but did not say anything. 2 days later a mass sighting of a UFO was seen in my city complete with photos in the front page of the newspapers. And also around that time a series of interviews with UFO contactee Sixto Paz from Peru began to show up on the sunday´paper for 3 weeks in a row. This "coincidence" has led me to believe that this might have been a real contact.

I have not heard anything since then. I which I had.

[Lasher]

quote:Originally posted by travelinbob

I ve shared this story in this forum before but I will again and I'd like to hear Mayatnik's opinion.:

I had a "dream" 2 years ago in which I was contacted by aliens. They told me that they were in contact with a certain well known mystical society, and had been for a while. And that that was there big secret. Then they woke me up with a strong vibration all over my body. (The obe vibes) I was startled but did not say anything. 2 days later a mass sighting of a UFO was seen in my city complete with photos in the front page of the newspapers. And also around that time a series of interviews with UFO contactee Sixto Paz from Peru began to show up on the sunday´paper for 3 weeks in a row. This "coincidence" has led me to believe that this might have been a real contact.

I have not heard anything since then. I which I had.

Cue the theme music from the X-Files...

Actually, that is pretty mind blowing, TravelinBob!  
Have you thought about using the pendulum to try making contact?

Lasher

[MAYATNIK]

TravellinBob –

Alien 'encounters' take many forms, from the 'dream-state' to the 'conscious' to the so-called 'abduction'.  But, of those that are examined, the validity of such experiences is found in the close correlation of details in the content.  There will always be a certain number of reported occurrences that are distorted views of what really happened, and this is because the conscious mind later 'imposes' conditioning, fears of the unknown and even a desire to make those incidents 'plausible' to others by unconsciously emphasising or de-emphaisising certain features in that experience.  When I have interviewed such people, it almost always emerges that there are additional facts that have been 'forgotten' for various reasons.  So, I always usggest that, as soon as possible after such an occurrence, the person should write a detailed account of what transpired.  In the case of lucid and prophetic or premonitional dreams especially this is important so as to see clearly what the cognitive mind will otherwise try to interpret in other ways. I used to have, starting from the early '70s, very lucid and detailed prophetic dreams, which I not only fully wrote down but also showed to at least one other person at the time.  Those 'dreams' incidentally were seen in due course to all come true in every detail.  I don't have those type of dreams any longer, since there is no need now due to the 'abilities' I have been given (and which actually started to be given to me as increased clairvoyance since 1985) and now including instant telepathic communication with any species I am linked up to to by my guide, not only in 'audio' but visually also and including 'visits' arranged in time, space or other dimensions.  In actuality, the so-called 'dream state' is a return to reality (in truth, "life is but the dream") at a time when we are not in our perceived 'waking reality'.  The only type of dream that I have had since is the 'teaching' type, for purposes of my training – and these were to show me clearly how a 'dream situation' is really a virtual play-out to test how a person would think and react if a given sequence of 'events' were presented in our waking life.  These of course would not be the obvious, and therefore not necessarily according to our view of the dream 'scenario', because if that were the case then we might remember the dream and just follow that dream sequence and thus avoid the lesson that would be presented.  That is how the guides work in the background of our perceived reality here on Earth, and which is not understood by those who write about 'Dream Interpretation', so my guide has asked me to address these things at this time.

On the general subject of dream interpretation, many 'theories' abound in attempts to make sense of these phenomena that occur in our 'sleeping state' – from the notion that what we eat before retiring affects our dreams (cheese, bananas etc, have been put forward) to so-called cognitive 'associaton' (a dream fragment being 'symbolic' of something in our waking 'reality', some suggest) where the mind is said to be trying to 'work out' and make sense of everyday issues as we sleep.  Both these 'theories' are true in the sense that our sleep and waking modes are two different levels of consciousness.  However, what really is happening there is that the 'dream' is making links or a bridge between the subconscious and the conscious, testing and even opening up the mind in some instances to new perceptions.   As I have mentioned and alluded to in several of  my other posts, a dream can be an actual 'visit' while in that subconscious state and remembered later, or it can be the 'play-out' type or similar (in which I give the analogy of the guide putting in a kind holographic-video that – which is assembled for that very exercise or experience appertaining to the person's prescribed needs – and which can actually be 'stepped into'  for the person to 'experience' in dream state, and pressing <play> - during which the guides also make notes!).  I have actually been permitted to witness what goes on in the 'background' as such a 'video' is prepared and then given, even to the 'lead-in' and 'tail' which the dreaming person never sees but which sets programming parameters for linking the subconscious with the later conscious mind.  These things have been given to me so that I can better do my 'job' in pulling the various pieces - as people perceive them - of the jig-saw puzzle together; in effect, I know what goes on in the "office" (as my guide describes the various 'departments' dealing with all matters appertaining to human beings).

In the case of your specific 'dream' TravellinBob, it is clearly what the TV people's in-house studio jargon calls an "actuality" scenario – it really happened, in other words.  Whether you consciously remember all of it is another matter, and also what 'colouration' your waking mind has imposed on it.  I checked with my guide, as I always do, and she confirmed after checking the (akashic) records that this was so.  You are on a 'list' of many people who are from time to time, as and when deemed appropriate, given such 'dreams' or other types of encounters (depending on the person, and what is required).

Where you say: <<" Then they woke me up with a strong vibration all over my body. (The obe vibes)">> this is not always the method of awakening a person and there are several employed if it is felt necessary for the person to awake at that time – all of which are effective, and reinforce in the mind a then conscious-memory of what has transpired.  In your case, it also formed a link to other events in your life, and also those that would come about which you could also relate to this and other avenues of exploration you would feel drawn down.  Thus, the Aliens work to enlighten - and are, as they told, you 'in contact' with many, and also seek to form regular links with them, as well as such 'societies' that are themselves seeking further enlightenment.  'Mystical' societies are in every way more likely to seek contact than others, but – as I stressed in my earlier post – this is not about 'group' consensus, but only about individual awareness of the true reality.  Sadly, groups are prone to distorted messages from over zealous leaders of those groups, so close attention and open sharing of what each individual gains contact to is vital to avoid misperceptions and especially the 'closed society' menality of some.  You were given that specific information so that you could investigate further, and increase your inner-development along with awareness, but always you will develop better from an individual point of view at each stage as your perspective increases, and 'Mystical Societies' or any such group are merely stepping-stones to observe, rather than become part of what is in such groups by their very nature a coloured 'belief-system', where only the few 'know' the reality (if indeed they clearly do see it).  On the contrary, what is now more and more being perceived to be happening in the world is open for ALL, and the lone-individual sharing such knowledge as is given to them is more likely to have an unclouded view as they progress.

You go on to say:

quote: 2 days later a mass sighting of a UFO was seen in my city complete with photos in the front page of the newspapers. And also around that time a series of interviews with UFO contactee Sixto Paz from Peru began to show up on the sunday´paper for 3 weeks in a row. This "coincidence" has led me to believe that this might have been a real contact.

The situation with regard to 'sightings' of UFOs has been especially intensely active recently in South America, with many reporting individual contacts also of various kinds, even more than incidents reported from other places at times where there has seen to be a 'focus' regarding Aliens.  In our recent history there have been corroborated sightings from many highly credible sources.  In World War II, for example, pilots were reporting seeing (and even having actual close encounters) with Alien Craft of incredible technology, and post-war (1947 brough a general awareness) there have been many such sightings that, on examination, closely correlate.  Many sightings that military airfoce pilots and radar operatiors witnessed have been heavily suppressed, but sufficent have come forward to tell their incredible encounters.

In Britain in the 1970s there were a large number of sightings and actual 'encounters' around the area known as the 'Pennines' and centred on the moors around Keighley, Todmorden and Halifax (I have lived close by or in those areas – and there is a very strong 'magnetic' feel about those surroundings that I have not felt elsewhere).  Elsewhere though, such as the Midlands of the UK, there was a mass sighting of an incredibly huge Spacecraft passing over a large town there which thousands of people witnessed, and this (the Mothership) took a whole 20 minutes to pass by, and filled much of the sky as it did so.  This 'spacecraft' that all attested to seeing, was reported to have been at least half a mile in diameter as they perceived it (in actual fact, the Mothership is 1.5 miles in diameter – but this would have been difficult for the onlookers to 'estimate' just looking up from ground level since there were no relative reference points to ascertain with any accuracy the actual height and thus its true size).

Though much is now available on the internet, the serious researcher should always seek the source, rather than just quoting what other researchers often offer and which may be inadequately sourced.  Very often, therefore, it is the initial reportage and books of that time of 'prime research' that give the best picture that may later, unfortunately, become hyped up by researchers going down rabbit-holes of their choice and bias rather than giving a balanced and focussed view.  Two excellent no-hype books that I can recommend to get the reader thinking and for further investigation (the Pendulum is ideal for that) are:

<THE FIRE CAME BY: The riddle of the great Siberian explosion>
by John Baxter and Thomas Atkins (both highly credible researchers).
The above book explores what Isaac Asimov is quoted as saying "One of the greatest scientific riddles of all time".  The Russian government is far more openly interested in pursuing UFO and related phenomena than the West, and even has offices in Moscow where anyone can go in and share their experiences so there is a vast amount of documentation that the Western Governments do not seek to know about publically, and in fact resist all attempts by Russia to make those generally public outside its borders.  So, this book goes to the souce of what happened in 1908 there, and much background information is presented.

<THE PENNINE UFO MYSTERY> by Jenny Randles.  Randles is a very serious and world respected researcher and investigator into such things, and she documents here the startling facts of the investigation into this in great detail.

In the case of such books that are now out of print, the easiest route for obtaining them is through www.amazon.com since Amazon has a large network of people who can supply rare and out of print books very often in mint condition, and I have used this excellent service myself when wanting to source references concerning ancient Egypt which were not otherwise available, and all that is required is to type in the title and Amazon will offer suppliers, details and prices which you can then choose from and purchase if you wish in complete money-back safety.

Another book that is worth reading, is
<ABDUCTION: Human Encounters With Aliens> by John E. Mack, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.
It has to be pointed out, that such books as this are not always 100% accurate, and some fall far short of this.  But, in the Pleiadian teachings there is no "thou shalt not read", rather it is the Pleiadian teaching that all should be read – even disinformation – to obtain a balanced view, and especially to get away from the 'closed mind' mentality; the more one reads on the topic will, in general if approached with a positive attitude lead to further questions to explore and thus be enlightened.  To do otherwise is to promote and promulgate Fear of the unknown.  Always remember, that Love is the opposite of Fear, and if material being read seems to be promoting or disseminating fear by its accounts, then it should be viewed with caution and suspicion as to its motives (and/or the conditioning, and any inner-fears not adequately addressed, of the person writing it).

Misinformation is prevalant in the world today, and is woven throughout the whole subject of UFOs and anything associated with Aliens, and 'Cover-Ups' along with 'Conspiracy Theories' abound and are hotly debated.  The whole thing is further confused by downright lies by people with ego-enhancing personal agendas, as well as the pbulication-bandwagon that seeks to make vast amounts of money out of anything that is sensational, controversial and therefore can whet the public appetite in order to ring the cash registers ever more loudly.  So, it is important to read material that is discerning so as to not fall for the hype.  The Pendulum will be found to help in this respect, so that as you peruse a list of titles it will tell you which are relevant to what you will benefit from by pursuing at that time.  Bear in mind with this as with other things, that the Pendulum knows what you need for your inner-development – and that is not necessarily to simply give you 'answers on a plate'; thus, you may find yourself reading material which (if you use your Pendulum whilst reading it, and you should do this) you will find possibly quite a few 'no' responses to what you are reading, because the object is to teach you to discern the gold from the dross and simultaneously increase your 'intuition' with growing perception.  So, users of the Pendulum should ask questions of what they are reading, to not only verify what is on the printed page but to also explore deeper, at every opportunity so that they can learn more and be better enlightened.

In the category of 'Conspiracies' and 'Cover-Ups' there are three  books that I can recommend here, because they present a very balanced view with much detailed documentation from good sources which they have thoroughly investigated:

<BEYOND TOP SECRET: The Worldwide UFO Security 'threat'> by Timothy Good – with Foreword by Admiral of the Fleet The Lord Hill-Norton GCB

<COSMIC TOP SECRET: The Unseen Agenda (Explosive Revelations of terrifying conspiracies)> --- by John King, Editor of 'UFO Reality'.

<THE STARGATE CONSPIRACY: Revealing the Truth behind extra-terrestrial contact, military intelligence and the mysteries of ancient Egypt> by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince.

It is not concerning 'conspiracies' as a subject in itself that the above three books have their merit; rather, they excel in the background information the reader gains that is very relevant to establishing a firm foundation for viewing much clearer a higher perspective and is a summary of further  good works that take the reader even further and beyond any 'conspiracy' factions that seek to cloud or smoke-screen the true reality now coming out.

Just two small examples, from the above books --- Courtney Brown is shown in context with events at the time of the Hale-Boppe Comet, when the Mothership was approaching in its tail, and those who have not read Courtney can obtain a plethora of detailed information regarding not only Remote Viewing (and all that the Majestic12 were involved with in that regard) but also full details of the Galactic Federation and their rules, channeled.  The 'cover-up' regarding the Face on Mars is also expored (or rather exploded) and a great deal of documentation has been brought to light from the files of NASA Control and the recollections of those involved at the time.  Regarding the astounding facts concerning the 'Face on Mars' and what was supressed about this, an excellent book unravels the crucial evidence including photographic and measurement data, along with verbatim transcripts of what transpired after the NASA public 'blackout' (and such 'blackouts' occurred about other things too that those "in the know" did not want the public to know, like on the moon) – so I thoroughly recommend the following book:

<MARTIAN GENESIS: The Extraterrestrial Origins of the Human Race> by Herbie Brennan
This book not only reveals with photographs and a vast wealth of information what great insights are emerging from the astounding discovery of the very large 'Face on Mars', but also gives connections to Israel and Egypt among other things, in tracing our connection with extraterrestrials in our origins.  Incidentally, although not discussed in the book is the connection of the word 'Hebrew' – my guide tells me that this was originally 'Ibiri' and the Egyptians referred to them as the Nibiri... and that, further to this, it was the Nibiruans when on their long visit to Earth, as Master Geneticists, experimented to created modern man and even cross-bred with them from their own race to create the Sumerians and imbued the Sumerian Civilization with Nibiruan teachings and philosophies.  Not all races on Earth are Nibiruan in origin (that is to say, not all are from Sirius A start system which includes obviously the 'Sirians', Greys and – by connection – the Zeta Reticuli who split in their evolution into two species), and some on Earth are from Orion origins (such as the French).  The Balinese (as a matter of interest here) are from the Pleiades, distinct from the other groups – but it is all part of a much bigger picture that the reader (especially with the Pendulum) can investigate further.

Now, on to others who have posted above in this thread recently.......

celticmagick909 -
Your account of having suddenly seen UFO activity, in the presence of others, is typical of what can happen in the 'right conditions'.  Suddenly the overall consciousness is moved up a notch, and what is not normally visible to our eyes then is made possible to come into view.  UFOs have always been there, but it takes a leap of consciousness to perceive them.  More and more over several decades now they have been seen.  We can see what we have a will to see, and what is given us to see.  And that is just what happened that night as each person saw at a higher vibrational level UFOs that were only partly in our dimension's density.  In other words, you saw with a kind of interdimensional x-ray vision what is going on in our skies, and now being seen by more and more people as our general awareness grows and becomes more receptive, thus we receive into our minds that which, even when physically visible, can extend beyond the visible spectrum into the electromagnetic and further into higher dimensions.  You will find, as you read more and reflect on these things, that you will see and experience with greater acuity of inner-vision.  But the key is always to seek new horizons of discovery without Fear.  There is much to learn, far beyond the frontiers of Man's limited perception.

SilentWitness78 -
I note your re-appearance 'back on the scene' after a long period of you being away, but as I have said many times to you – the Pendulum was given to you by Fate to explore and grow; that was a long time ago, and Fear, as you admit, has held you back, although you earnestly desire and have proclaimed on many occasions past that you want to move forward.   SeekingAnswers not only learned the Pendulum and investigated with many questions but passed through to being telepathic, all in the space of about 3 days.  So, when Fear is overcome that growth can be instant.  Therefore, I look forward to your new zeal leading to many question sessions that await you with the Pendulum, and for you to hopefully share with us your results in question/answer format along with your new thoughts following that, on this forum.  To progress each person needs to banish their Inner-Fear and, as the Native American Indian saying goes: "Walk the Talk".  It's easy to do if you just allow yourself to let go of the hand-rail of habituation, and let yourself float without Fear in the buoyant waters of new discovery; in fact, it will only be over-trying or thrashing about that will make you sink back and want to reach again for that handrail, so just relax and float toward new Adventures.

Lasher –
Thank you for your post, and your request for any suggestions.  I deferred responding until now because you have only just got your new Pendulum, and, as you say, you intended to spend time getting used to it.  So, I look forward to hearing how you've got on.

In the meantime, I have only a few comments (as other factors will arise later).  Firstly, you said that you initiated the Pendulum funtioning by asking it "Show me a 'yes', please".  As I mentioned in a previous post to a member, and which is also in the original Pendulum thread instructions..... the correct initialization should be "GIVE me a 'yes', please" (and similarly for 'no' (along with ensuring that you are in 'advanced' rather than the Dowsing 'default' mode).  Depending how strongly in your mind you project the meaning of 'give' when you use the word 'show' the Pendulum may indeed function correctly, but since not all project strongly at first it is strongly advised to use the correct word, 'Give' in that initialization, since what you are asking is for a movement to be assigned to you, or given to you in other words, and that exact movement will be different (side-side or in-out for 'yes' and the other corresponding movement for 'no') according to the genetic make-up of the individual starting to use the Pendulum.  After initialization and making absolutely sure what corresponds to 'yes' and 'no' it is possible to then say, "Show me a 'yes'" etc. So, I reiterate that point here for anyone new to the Pendulum, and also suggest any who haven't done so to read my Pendulum instruction posts carefully, since a good understanding of this tool's basics in the 'advanced' mode is essential to learning and, naturally, accuracy in use.

I note that you say the Pendulum moved "very tentatively" for you.  That reflects your present outlook, and can be expected to become more positive with confident use.  The way to confidence is simply to use it.  Like riding a bicycle, if you are not confident then the results will be predictably unpredicatle, and at the very least you will tend to 'wobble' in your efforts.  Also, don't make it an effort as such, just take it easy and don't try too hard, and it will come naturally.

You say:

quote: Ultimately, I would love it if my guide would do automatic writing with me through a pencil or keyboard. Since I am not a typist, if she were to type through me with my eyes closed, that would assure me that my own thoughts and imagination are not getting in the way.

What I read here is to do with the word 'assurance', which you feel you need in order to proceed.  In other words, you have a lack of confidence, due to various factors you have encountered in the past – many of which, I feel, have come from books.

Before I proceed to address the above quote I note another point in your post, because it appertains indirectly to all of this, ragarding confidence.    You say, elsewhere in that post, about praying for people and visualising the person with a light around them.  This is similar to what is done in Reiki 'Distant Healing' where Reiki energy is sent to a (physically or emotionally) sick or troubled person.  You say this works sometimes, but at other times – as you say – it has the effect (I quote you here): " I cannot seem to hold the image still in my mind. The image will begin making faces or acting weird or inappropriate. It's like some part of my unconscious mind is trying to mess up the prayer..
This is perfectly normal, and not your subconscious playing tricks with you, rather it is your subconscious not sending the healing because it knows something that you don't.  In Reiki Distant Healing, it is taught that one should never try to force healing on a person, and that the recipient should be willing (even if this is only at a subconscious level).  So, before sending any Distant Healing (or 'prayer', essentially the same thing in intent) a message should be 'sent out' to the person's subconscious.  That person may be thousands of miles away, but their subconscious will receive the message and respond.  If the person is not willing and receptive to healing at that time (and this does happen! you only have to be a volunteer hospital visitor to realise this is the attitude of many who are still in the stages of blaming others or similar for their 'misfortune') then the answser from their subconscious will be 'no', and this should be respected.  For this reason, any wish to heal others should always be preceded by sending the message, "Do you wish to be healed at this time?", and you will sense the response.  If in doubt, or if the picture of the person fragmentates or does not hold the energy during that transmission, then simply re-picture and say/think "I send you my best wishes" and focus your emotion into that sending, and in that way you will have transmitted energy that will be perceived by the person at a subconscious level and which they can then, if they wish, accept of their own Free Will as a 'goodwill' intent, rather than healing which they may not be ready to accept.  This Free Will aspect is clearly evidenced when giving Reiki energy/love to an animal, especially cats and dogs, but all kinds in general will respond in a similar way.  Your pet or any other animal will enjoy the Reiki energy given when your hands are held on either side of the animals head (or body, if small).  But, the animal will move away as soon as it has received enough energy, and that should again be taken as a clear sign, because even animals have a right to Free Will, so nothing should ever be imposed – whether on humans or animals.  That then, is the answer to your misconception, and any other similar apparent 'mischief' that the mind seems to play has its origin in such factors, or is due to conditioning (read about or absorbed over time).  The cure to this is always to simply free the mind, let go of preconceptions and go with what is in front of you now, with full quiet confidence that you will be guided.

Directly relating to the above quote, it is best not to look to far into the future.  You will find yourself guided in the right direction, as you grow.  And though your desire at the moment is towards 'Automatic Writing', that is only one of many ways that channeling and similar communication can be done.  It really depends on what your guide decides is the most appropriate both for yourself and what they wish to do through you as the 'vehicle'.  You may, for instance, find the 'gift' of Psychometry given to you.  This is something that I do if appropriate.  And the word 'appropriate is key in all of this, because it depends on situations, especially what is needed in interaction with others in order to help them and what they need to 'link' to.  Very often people are afraid of one thing but not of another – so, some will shudder at the thought of having a Tarot reading and recoil from the though of it (because of misperceptions about such as the Death card etc), whilst others will be put off by the thought (to them, in their way of thinking) that they are witnessing some sort of disembodied entity taking over your hand to do guided (automatic).  Some clients are not able to take the idea of telepathy or the notion of any non-physical communication, so in such instances I find that the Pendulum, or holding an object in my hand and being able to visualize through it (Psychometry) gives the client something to relate to... a physical object is moving or is in use, and quite apparently giving answers.  I recall giving a Psychometry reading to a professional Tarot reader who had called at my girlfriend's house – and even he (a professional) was shocked that I was able, just by holding his pencil, to describe in detail the front of his house, his living room and the contents of a Display cabinet that was the cause of a relationship problem he had not been able to come to terms with, despite his long experience at Tarot.

So, it could well be that a range of 'gifts' will be given to you, but certainly whatever will be given will be what you required, so just allow yourself to be guided at each stage.  I look forward to you sharing your experiences with the Pendulum and other aspects as you get more used to it.  Just remember, quiet positive confidence is all you need – the guides do the rest!

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Gandalf]

This topic is interesting. I have noticed in the past that there can be a certain sense of 'snobbery' about aliens, ufo's etc by OBE people, as it is perceived that the astral is 'above' such mundane things like ETs and make the subject irelevent.
I have the opposite view. Everyone dreams of the thing that would change humanity's present course. IMO the only really viable thing that could do that for the population at large is direct evidence of ET life, its transforming influence is unimaginable.

I don't have any problem with aliens per say, or the fact that they might visit us. In fact aliens are perfectly consistent with what Robert Monroe discovered about the universe, the astral etc, (which is a big plus for me as I am now an official Monroe fan!).

If you read Far Journeys (his second book - I havnt read his 3rd yet):

He is told by the 'inspecs' (his guides) that the physical planet Earth is a 'consciousness growth centre', specifically the ELS or 'earth life system'. However, they also tell Monroe that there are 'many other consciousness growth centres or schools, as you call them, throughout what you know as the physical universe' (FJ p.97).

Later, in his vision of a possible future earth in the year 3000+ he asks this question a second time (second confirmation, the engineer in him!) he asks one of the 'upgraded humans' the same question and she 'rolled', saying 'you cant count them if you wanted to, there's that many, and new ones coming online constantly! (FJ p.226).

Finally, Monroe's description of the Gathering (FJ, p.229) refers to this possible future event (3000+) in which earth's vibrational level will rise so that its inhabitants become super advanced, kind of a  merge between the astral and the physical. It makes me wonder if the earth would just 'blink out' to outside observers (ie humans living 'off earth' and other ET civilisations) due to its increased vibration.

Anyway, upon reaching earth orbit Monroe actually describes seeing a flying saucer, it is a physical object and  emits 'm band noise' (so there are people inside it). the inspec affirms his suspician and tells him that the physical spacecraft is not a human construct but has its origin 'as from your physical universe, although not nececerely your own time frame'. The inspec says that there are many such craft around the earth and they are there to watch the 'big event'. In addition, there are also beings from other energy systems outside of the STI who are watching (sti: space-time illusion, or 'our physical universe' in which humans and all other 'alien' physical civilisations reside).

So to sum up a long winded account, (sorry, I get carried away with things sometimes!) I have no problems with ET civilisations. These people are just like us, except their 'growth centres' are somewhere else. If you read Bruce Moen he will tell you that one of his own 'disk members' is currently living out a life on another planet in our physical universe. Earth is simply our own local system.

The only claim we have to being unique in any way is that there is a slight chance that we may have been the first planetary civilisation to be created, if Monroe's vision of the early history of earth is true. According to his vision, after the great success of the earth 'garden', others started creating their own gardens and they are now widespread throughout the universe. The problem is that while other civilisations seem to have progressed quite rapidly, we are stuck, which is why so many other civilisations are way ahead of us, even if we were here first!

My view is that the 'Pleiadians' are members of one such growth centre who are activly coming over here to give us a hand.

BTW, as an aside, the reports we get of rather nasty aliens may well be true as well, as I think that although on the whole alens are more advanced than humans, like humans, you get all sorts and some may be less than friendly.

FRANK_
I think you should try to contact some of these guys on the astral.
This is easier than it sounds as 'like attracts like' so people of human origin tend to belong to a particular region of the astral just as I'm sure people from other growth centres reside in their own groupings, thats why we dont bump into them every day on the astral. However it does sometimes happen. Bruce Moen says he has met a few who have come over from their region of the astral to look at ours.
the cultural differences can mean that their region of the astral may be strange, so you would have to be prepared for that if you wanted to do a tour.
I think the problem is getting an ident, without that your are unlikely to find them. Bruce Moen is lucky in that one of his disk members is currently living on another planetery civilisation at present, making it a lot easier.
Perhaps if you ask your guide?

Regards,
Douglas