I agree, I also don't like the the concept of this "spirit guides" we get with birth.
But maybe it's this way (if they exist as independent beings, of course): There are these "spirits" which are kind and helpful and whatever. If a person starts with all this spiritual, occult, whatever stuff, these beings come to you (or you to them) and offer you help on specific things, just like some nice humans do. You can accept the help, or you can tell them kindly to fu** off [}:)]
I don't have a spirit guide. And I don't need one. And I don't want one.
Exactly.
I mean. There is also the concept of 'the higher self'. Which I have yet to clearly communicate with. Suppose that this 'higher self' exists, and you have some 'spirit guide' as well, is that not like double-occupation?
Again, people with spirit guides, hop in! [;)]
My take on the idea of a spirit guide is that it is a perception of our higher self as a separate being. We externalize the higher part of ourselves as an external entity to fit the experience with our perceived separateness as an individual.
Our higher self is a level of our existence that has a broader focus and thus is more perceptive to other perspectives to reality than we in our immediate physical level are. The higher we connect with our reality funnel, so to speak, the more we become cognizant of the interconnectedness and non-duality of all until finally the proces results in an enlightenment experience where the oneness of all is realized.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
I think Spirit guides are where the christians got the idea of pergatory from.
Did you ever wander what spirits do after they leave the materail plane? Perhaps Karmically they work as a guide before thier next incarnation. Perhaps they are doing the equivalent of Summer School? Perhaps that is the next step, on your up the Astral planes, since being so recent to life you can relate to the issues. Or maybe it's jsut an alternate you [:)]
Haven't you ever had a nagging feeling or hunch that later turned out to be beneficial? Maybe guides are the definition of intuition!
Or perhaps intuition is the reality and guides just a personificatgion of it?
2cents & L&L
jouni
Hi,
The following concepts are from my long term experience of working with mine and other's Guides.
The primary Guide/main Guide, whatever you want to call it is really your own Higher-Self... it's the awareness level of the huge Soul you are.
Other Guides can be loosely fitted into a few basic categories.....
The ones I call Helpers are beings that are working on the contracts we have with them.
The ones I call Friends are ancient friends from previous lives, and even other incarnation-series on other worlds.
Then there seems to be a whole series that fit into a general category of Guide, like passed-over family members and occassionaly even some older ancestors from the genetic line, and many other variations that are dependant on the specific relationship or task.
The reason why we have them at birth is because we agreed to have them for this life..they are not assigned by some higher power, We choose them Our-Self.
They are not all roaming around the Astral waiting for you with nothing better to do. Not all Guides are Astral only, many are from the higher awareness levels, much like our own Higher-Self.
Lastly, we cannot make a judgement on anything when we have no personal experience on it. There is no substitute for having the experience yourself. And there are very easy ways to do that.
Love Always. [:)]
Hi Reality,
My experience is consitent with Tayesins.
While it is true that we have all the answers we need within us, and we also have within us the ultimate of guides - our higher spirit self (what some people have come to hear as being "the voice of God"), we do have other spirit beings that will come to us as we develop our spirit senses.
I know of at least 5 beings that have come to me in recent times - one as a teacher, who I am in regular contact with, as I am also with a protector, I have a messenger that I've met twice now, and some "helpers" that come by from time to time. I can quite assure you that they are not aspects of my own psyche, as three of them have been witnessed by other people on several occasions, one of the people being an experienced medium who is skilled at distinguishing or discerning the various spirits.
As mentioned, there is often no real need to go beyond our own higher selves for long term guidance and growth, however, there are many good spirits around us that are more than happy to help us out from time to time, and there is certainly nothing wrong with accepting this help if it is offered.
One thing you will find though, is that most of us will have some form of "protector". Not necessarily from birth, as when we are young our own natural psychic defences are very strong, but when we start to reach out into understanding of Spirit, we will typically end up having some form of guardian spirit or angel looking out for us.
Regards,
James.
Hey Tayesin and James, thanks for sharing your experiences concerning this matter![:)] It's very much appreciated.
I was not trying to disprove the existance of spirit guides etc, that's why I asked people like you to share some experiences! [:D]
And it's totally true, that the only way to know, is through personal experience. As for me, I don't think I have been in direct communication with this higher self, so I'm not going to put my full faith in that concept. I'm doing lots of meditations again, so who knows.
So how does, your communication happen, do you hear a foreign voice in your head? Symbols? etc.
Reality[8D]
Reality: 2 questiosn for ya:
1) Have you ever tried to contact your higher self?
2) Perhaps your higher self has an agenda?
Just something to ponder while meditating [;)]
Hello Reality.
My experience with spirit guides is of a very personal nature, as it is with everyone. A spirit guide is not some impersonal diety who comes down from heaven and throws a bunch of light around as is the common perception. The diety is of a nature that is usually very similair to your own and thus the experiences it has to share is more of a big brother trying to help you "get through the same experiences he went through." (or sister in some cases)
For some people the experience is of course much more intimate because their guides are previous lovers from previous lives and as such the bond between guide and guided becomes more thin in this case. When this happens the guide and the so called "guided" are more so sharing the same experiences and are more so on equal grounds than the norm of "spirit guides."
In my own personal opinion "Spirit guides" is a very rough and not very accurate portrayal of what is actually going on. Your so called "spirit guide" is a personal friend. It is someone who you share experiences with, your likes and dislikes and how you deal with things.
I would also like to comment on this:
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It's alot more benefical if we try to find stuff out on our own, is it not?
even when we are older it is not benificial to try and find some stuff out on your own. I would not like to have an individual perform advanced reiki on me from personal experience alone, with the expeption of course of someone who has had more than say 9 years personal experience in which case the experiences can measure up to say one year of guidance from a spirit (in the shamanic tradition) or another "human" individual. So while it is not impossible to grow on your own it is much more benificial to learn from other's experiences and make thier experiences your own.
As for the higher self being a "spirit guide," it is not always this case as each person's perception changes the nature of the astral. the higher self is yourself, so when you talk to your higher self in the manner of viewing the higher selfs astral body form it is more that you are talking to an older and enlightened version of yourself and you will feel a connection to this individual that crushes the word "individual," and it will be more like you are asking yourself and answering yourself. In most cases, based on what I have seen, the "speaking to an individual" way does not occur so much as you "take in more of yourself in your physical mind." Your body is simply a learning and experiencing tool which is here to learn and grow, it has the personality and the thoughts of the higher self. Most of your thinking processes are your higher self, not the programming in the brain, (again, that is based on my own experiences) So speaking to the higher self in my view is more like becoming more with the greater you. It's like going through a soul retrieval only much, much more powerfull and fullfilling. You are not talking to a differnt entity, you are retrieving a part of yourself you lost when you became a physical entity.
For a lot of people first "contact" with spirit guides occurs in one of two ways based on what I have seen:
1) they have astral projected and reached the mid plane, or they have "called" the said guide down from the mental plane of existance for guidance and general welcoming.
2) A clairvoiyant has "viewed" into the spirit realm and has remotely done the above.
3) An individual went through a traumatic experience and the individual was "chosen" (that is not a very accurate word for what goes on it's actually more of a contract) for a shaminic initiation. (This is exremely rare)
I would note that mankind itself, as a whole, has quite a few "spirit guides" these are the archangels and the other great spirits, deva's and pre-angelic, angelic, or otherwise shamic beings who, if asked, will help guide manking through what is generally thought of as the "growing up" stage in mankinds generall spirituality. You can, if you find the correct way of doing it, talk to these individuals and it's like talking to a very enlightened "big brother/sister."
I hope this clears things up for you and that I didn't make it ultra confusing(I tend to do that a lot[|)])
SpectralDragon,
yes of course, you can learn from others, but understanding comes from thinking about stuff by yourself. But I see what you are saying.
Thanks for for the info. I resonate with the idea, that communication with the higher self is more like retrieving. [;)]
Rastus
2 answers for ya
1) yeah (I realize the possibility that something pops in while meditating)
2) perhaps it has, I don't know [;)] I know I have.
I had one 'angelic/experience' dream/or astralp though...
I was in my room. And in the middle I observed a white dot of light growing to a (estimation) 1.5-1.5m screen of light. In the middle of the screen an even brighter humanoid form emerged. Who almost instantly vanished. After this some images followed, like a movie. Something about Egypt. But those images were all too vague to remember so forget about that.[:D]
I figured the humanoid form could have been this higher self.
Salut
Reality[8D]
This answers my old question: How can guides penetrate my wards? Because it's ME [:D]
I noticed alot of people talking about having or trying to contact a 'personal' spirit guide.
My concern is, why would we need a spirit guide, eh?! It's alot more benefical if we try to find stuff out on our own, is it not? And that's exactly the reason why I doubt the existance of: personal spirit guides.
Who (thinks) to have a spirit guide here?
Just curious, thanks.