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Originally posted by xander
this night I conversed with the Goetic entity known as Vassago...
Vassago is one of the more benign and beneficient demons....
Xander
wow, now your admitting you chat with demons, benign or not? Now I really don't trust you.
Or is this another "joke" [?]
I don't require your trust nor do I care about how you feel about it.
Now crawl back into the compost heap you little maggot.
Xander
*laughing* wow, xander, you really don't sugar coat anything do you?haha.
did you believe the idea of an inner struggle for many people before you talked to vassago?
~kakkarot
Yes Kakk I do beleive the inner struggle and did before I spoke with Vassago. Oftentimes entities are only psychological manifestations of the individual which simply parrots what they already beleive. I am accutely aware of this and have seen it in many types of people, xians, jews,pagans, etc.
I see and hear much which confirms my own ideas and yet I at times hear things differently than from what I beleive. I have argued with entities calling themselves by names of mighty gods and demons. I question my own beleifs constantly and question the words of others.
However, it doesn't neccesarily negate the possibility that the entity known as Vassago didn't actually appear and that he and I are on the same wavelength in regards to ceratain ideas.
Xander
P.S. based on pm's and other clues I have deduced that hysterix is another incarnation of xelios.
i figured you'd be aware of that ^_^
i was just curious :) . good luck with further channeling.
~kakkarot
ps. as for xelios: meh *shrugs*. if it is him then he should get a life ^_^
Why dont you guys like xelios? What did he do?
-Aries
well for one, he was intolerable of other people's beliefs. he thought that just because his teacher beat up a satanist that his path was right. he was mean. he IM'ed me and threatened to send his "angels" after me, to get the fbi after me, and to even contact a witch friend and get them after me ^_^ . it was pretty lame :) .
~kakkarot
xander, I thought the mod's told you to play nice, why such the foul mouth. Your all talk xander, o and also, I can say what I want in your posts.
I hope your slandering of me makes you feel better about yourself son. So what kind of demons have you spoke with today?
well Hysterix, you asked "what demons have you spoken with today?"
Well I'm talkin to one right NOW.
Don't call me son, for If I were your son I would poison yer morning coffee. As far as a foul mouth I have played nice, and will do so untill I see fit.
Now stumble through that doorway back into yer little Hell dimension you little orc.
Xander
Now, now, Kiddies..play nice or Mom will have to put you in time-out! Not to mention a few washing out of mouths with soap.[^]
Nay [;)]
ok xander, if your such a tough guy, why not you tell all of us what your real name is, first and last; then the address to where you are living, and we will see then how tough you are??
Anyone who talks to demons or a demon is either evil or filled with negative energy.
Maby you should focus your energy on trying to become a better person, and not acting like such a child.
Now, lets see what your next round of "insults" will be using your favorite words such as, 'maggot' 'little' and 'orc'. Wow those are some very impressive words xander.
define "demon" hysterix.
~kakkarot
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Originally posted by hysterix
ok xander,Now, lets see what your next round of "insults" will be using your favorite words such as, 'maggot' 'little' and 'orc'. Wow those are some very impressive words xander.
For someone of your educational background I figure they would be quite impressive. Wouldn't want you to have to consult a dictionary, this of course assuming you don't need a dictionary to know what the word dictionary means. Here's a hint. It's a BOOK.[8D]
Xander
P.S. i've better things to do at the moment than banter with you, goodbye hysterix and good riddance. You no longer exist in my universe you abnormal little quark.
Thank you xander, thank you so much for proving to me, and to everyone else on this site what a scared, pathetic little nothing you are.
I call you out on your toughness and you put your tail between your legs and run away.
Once again thank you for showing all of us how scared and just plain sad you really are.
HAVE AN ABSOLUTLY WONDERFULL DAY!!
hahhahaha [|)][|)][|)]
ya know hysterix, it takes a very self confident person to walk away from someone who's being an a**hole, and who isn't worth our time. i think much more highly of xander right now than i think anyone will of you....
~kakkarot
OK...I am going to say one more time stop with this silly little name throwingfest!
Both Xander and hysterix are being childish...and kakkarot, tsk, tsk, with the language. What I find interesting, is that days have gone by and then someone will post more flame..why is that, did you not cool down in the days in between?
If ya'll cannot control yourselves I will lock the topic, or delete it.
Nay
Don't delete it please, I think this could be an interesting thread.
Xander, why is Vassago considered a demon as opposed to an angel or some other type of entity?
I looked at google images for pictures of vassago, can he choose how he wants to appear?
sorry nay. i should have censored that myself, or used a less vulgar word. i'll stop posting to hysterix.
~kakkarot
Okay this is interesting thing, you summoned a demon? saw his pyhsical features and everything huh? amazeing. . . I'd have to say on my own account its wrong, and not a thing to be playing with cause I base myself on a karma scale. lol but wait are you doing anything bad? just talking. . (HMMMM?) Still its interesting! dont let people doubt you lol.
But thats also something I would never bring up in a biblical convention neither lol. ttyl
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Originally posted by cube
Xander, why is Vassago considered a demon as opposed to an angel or some other type of entity?
in the ceremonial magick tradition demons are fallen angels.
He can choose what form he takes.
Xander
Is there a range of types of fallen angels? I'm wondering if some are primarily neutral and self-serving as opposed to others who are truly evil and serve an evil entity.
well apparently, the Gods of mythology were also fallen angels, so I suppose fallen angels can call themselves what they want at the end of the day.
(http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/g3.gif)
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Vassago is the Third Spirit listed in the Goetia, who governs 26 legions. He is a prince similar to Agares. He has the power to predict the future and to find lost items.
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The Third spirit is a mighty prince, being of ye same Nature as Agares, he is called Vassago, This spirit is of a good nature, & his office is to declare things past and to come; and to discover all things hidden or lost, he governeth 26 Legions of spirits
Have you tried summoning Bael or Agares? [}:)]
The goetic methods of demonic incantation are insulting to the demons as many of the "foreign words" used are actually words of insult and binding to the demons, and many of the "foreign words" are actually the alias'es of Yaweh, Jehova and Allah.
How can you expect demons to treat you with respect if you dont give them respect in return? My advice is unless you know what it is your saying, say nothing at all.
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Originally posted by kakkarot
ya know hysterix, it takes a very self confident person to walk away from someone who's being an a**hole, and who isn't worth our time. i think much more highly of xander right now than i think anyone will of you....
~kakkarot
And if I actually gave a damn about your opinion that might mean something to me. O and at least with my come-back's I don't need to regress to childish name calling. I mean how old are you? Like 12?
O and to everyone else, have fun worshiping demons! I'm sure they will reserve a place in hell for you a.s.a.p.
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Originally posted by hysterix
O and to everyone else, have fun worshiping demons! I'm sure they will reserve a place in hell for you a.s.a.p.
you are ignorant. learn the definitions of demons and about teh various demons in different cultures then you will be worth listening to.
Jessica
P.S. summoning and working with demons isn't the same as worshipping them.
Hysterix, your anger towards xander is because he calls you a maggot? and Xander, your anger was brought from his disbelief and ridicule of your channeling a demon?
Why let yourself become angry just because of these meaningless words?
I know you both have more self control than that, unless puberty has not yet taken its place in you. And i'm not trying to be offensive in the least, i just really see no point in your hostilities.
strange how Xanders last post was January 31st. And YET hysterix is still glowering like an angry child about it. LOL!
Jessica
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Originally posted by Rahloom
Hysterix, your anger towards xander is because he calls you a maggot? and Xander, your anger was brought from his disbelief and ridicule of your channeling a demon?
Why let yourself become angry just because of these meaningless words?
I know you both have more self control than that, unless puberty has not yet taken its place in you. And i'm not trying to be offensive in the least, i just really see no point in your hostilities.
The funniest part about all this is you all think I was and continue to be mad at xander or kakkarot which is absolutly as far from the truth as can be.
I simply tell my opinion, all this is just a big game anyways, why take it so serious?
Rhinegirl: you call me ignorant yet you actually try to and I quote, "...summoning and working with demons isn't the same as worshipping them." The fact that you think you can toy with these sort of things is laughable, you nor anyone else can control these sort of things. As human being we should explore our own spirtuality, stepping out of this is a dangerous thing.
And yes, have fun and enjoy making assumptions about people's thoughts or emotions in the future, assuming you know what they are, when you are in fact completly wrong.
Have a great day [|)]
I agree with hysterix, self-exploration should be first and foremost on our spiritual "to-do" list. Seeing as how it is the most important to us personally, and much less risky/dangerous than channeling other entities.
Whatta know, a touchier subject than abortion and religion... summoning demons. Just the mere mention of it in a non-debate related topic and WHOOSH.
Personally I think summoning demons is a bit foolhardy and dangerous too, but this isn't the place to debate that anyways. If you guys wanna fight about something, fight about was Vassago said, and not whether or not you should summon him. And also, let's please eliminate the need for "last words", we should all be beyond that phase now. It's mighty tempting to put up that last post that seemingly destroys the other side with your unfallible evidence or to try and make yourself look more righteous through whatever means, but all it does in the end is spark up MORE fighting.
Now onto what this demon said, I'm kinda curious as to why you are channeling a demon for advice however. You even said yourself that he's a trickster, probably not the kinda guy I'd want telling me stuff. It is always nice to get another view point I suppose. Plus I think that this is the first channeled identity i've seen to date that has denied the war of 2012 and all that. That's kinda interesting to me.
So my question to you is, what reason do you have to believe anything a demon tells you?
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Originally posted by Blackstream
Personally I think summoning demons is a bit foolhardy and dangerous
Now onto what this demon said, I'm kinda curious as to why you are channeling a demon for advice however
Summoning and channeling are very different.
Jessica
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
Summoning and channeling are very different.
Both paint nice little neg bullseyes on you.
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Originally posted by Rahloom
I agree with hysterix, self-exploration should be first and foremost on our spiritual "to-do" list. Seeing as how it is the most important to us personally, and much less risky/dangerous than channeling other entities.
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Originally posted by Blackstream
Personally I think summoning demons is a bit foolhardy and dangerous too, but this isn't the place to debate that anyways.
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
Summoning and channeling are very different.
Originally posted by Blackstream
Both paint nice little neg bullseyes on you.
I complelty agree, it's a foolish risk no one should be taking.
You'd be safer practicing back flips without a spotter [:D]
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
you are ignorant....
P.S. summoning and working with demons isn't the same as worshipping them.
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
Summoning and channeling are very different.
Hahaha, so rhinegirl how many times are you going to contradict yourself in this thread? First you talk about summoning and working with demons, (implying you know what your talking about from experience); then you later go on to say summoning and channeling are very diffrent?
Either your completly contradicting yourself, or your b.s.'ing in the first place; and I want to know who you think your fooling over here really?
Worshipping, channeling, and summoning are three different activities inherent in various magickal workings.
Look up the terms in teh dictionary.
Channeling is closer to evoking than worshipping. Though one does need to summon teh entity before evoking it.
BAHHHHHHH!!!!!
Figure it out for yourself, I've no time for this at teh moment
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Originally posted by hysterix
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
you are ignorant....
P.S. summoning and working with demons isn't the same as worshipping them.
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
Summoning and channeling are very different.
Hahaha, so rhinegirl how many times are you going to contradict yourself in this thread? First you talk about summoning and working with demons, (implying you know what your talking about from experience); then you later go on to say summoning and channeling are very diffrent?
Either your completly contradicting yourself, or your b.s.'ing in the first place; and I want to know who you think your fooling over here really?
[The goetic methods of demonic incantation are insulting to the demons as many of the "foreign words" used are actually words of insult and binding to the demons, and many of the "foreign words" are actually the alias'es of Yaweh, Jehova and Allah.
How can you expect demons to treat you with respect if you dont give them respect in return? My advice is unless you know what it is your saying, say nothing at all.]
So, how would it be possible to summon Vassago without insulting him and without allowing him to break free and proceed to play various tricks on the summoner. Or... how would one channel Vassago or any demon for that matter?
There's several updated versions of the Goetia. When the original was written it was written by extremely superstitious fearful Christian mages.
There have been many experiences which were positive when the people were polite and respectful to the demons.
occultforums.com has a lot on ceremonial magick.
Jessica
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Originally posted by findtruth
[The goetic methods of demonic incantation are insulting to the demons as many of the "foreign words" used are actually words of insult and binding to the demons, and many of the "foreign words" are actually the alias'es of Yaweh, Jehova and Allah.
How can you expect demons to treat you with respect if you dont give them respect in return? My advice is unless you know what it is your saying, say nothing at all.]
So, how would it be possible to summon Vassago without insulting him and without allowing him to break free and proceed to play various tricks on the summoner. Or... how would one channel Vassago or any demon for that matter?
Thanks Rhinegirl, I'll check it out.[:P]
I did check it out.. couldn't get into the website. But i'll look into it.
Can someone please explain to me why?? Why would ANYONE want to summon, talk, channel or whatever any sort of demon?
You play with fire long enough, your going to get burned [}:)]
this night I conversed with the Goetic entity known as Vassago regarding possible future timelines that humanity may stumble down this year. He showed me variety of images and then spoke that the future is mutable moment by moment. Certain possibilities are more possible than others, yet there may be surprises in regards to the manipulation of reality.
I asked about mentions of demon wars. Vassago has an intersting laugh. He spoke that the only "demon war" individuals need to be concerned about is the one similar to the Inner Jihad of Islamic faith. The war within where one chooses the path of their spirit.
Vassago is one of the more benign and beneficient demons. He does like pranks but I've not heard of nor experienced anything deadly or life threatening in regards to him. He also advised me to take everything I hear from anyone or anything with a grain of salt.
Xander
How did you summon Vassago? As in which method did you use
The Goetia method in my opinion is disrespectful
~father_satans_follower~
This thread has been dead for a while, perhaps we should keep it that way, hmmm?
Nay
I would like to discuss more, Hmmm?
I guess what I should have said was, I don't even know if that person is still here.
Maybe someone else can help ya out. :)
Yes maybe some peopel will still wanna discuss it;)
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How did you summon Vassago? As in which method did you use
The Goetia method in my opinion is disrespectful
For me meditating on demon's sigil is enough to summon it sometimes. Maybe it'll work with Vassago too?
CaCoDeMoN have you yourself summoned a Demon? Which Demon in particular if so
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CaCoDeMoN have you yourself summoned a Demon? Which Demon in particular if so
Bune and Vapula.
Cool! I was thinking about Vapula today. Many I wanna talk to you more, you can add me on Yahoo! Messenger: father_satans_follower
and my email is father_satans_follower@fastmail.fm whats your email? Finally a normal guy on Astral Pulse who has experiences with Demons :)
Man, did you use any of those circles and stuff?
~father_satans_follower~