Ever since I was a child I've been absolutely fascinated by the idea of telekinesis. Sadly, despite my efforts over the years I have never been able to move physical objects using my mind.
Has anyone here ever deliberately tried developing this ability? And if so, were you successful?
I acheived some success with a psi wheel. I've never been that good though. I've made a few posts about this before. Just search for posts by me with psi wheel and Egely Wheel. I got to the point where I could stop it at will and make it spin the other way.
If you really want to do this I suggest you try pranayama and chakra work. Try Robet Bruce's New Energy Ways and work a lot on the hand chakras. EFT is also supposed to help you reprogram your mind.
accidentally posted in wrong thread, sorry
PSI wheels can be spun by the heat from your hands
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Psi%20wheel%20video.html
So make sure you use a bowl, like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ
I wish I had telekinesis.
Cavernstoy
Quote from: cavernstoy on June 28, 2007, 02:47:21
So make sure you use a bowl, like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ
I wish I had telekinesis.
Cavernstoy
You know this video is a hoax, right? The guy who made it admitted he faked the effect using air tubes connected to the non-visible front legs of the desk. Check out the link he provided to the unexplained mysteries website.
Is it actually possible to do it for real?
Cavernstoy
Well, the telekinetic force possibly exists, it has been reported and studied, but whether it can be consciously controlled or not is up to debate.
From my experience, it does exist and it is possible to consciously control it. I have been able at least one time to make a piece of tin foil balanced on a needle go in the direction I wanted, alternating left and right without putting my hand anywhere near it. I have also had a lot of other successful experiences with psychokinesis and the psiwheel, like having it rotate two turns right after I carefully put a glass over it.
So in my opinion, it definitely exists and everyone has the possibility to learn it. Of course that's just a small part of my experiences but maybe amongst the most interesting!
It does exist my friend, and YOU can do it. Just believe, trust, expect... the faster you believe in it, the faster you'll see results.
No video, real or fake, is going to prove it to you.
TIP: Do not place your hands anywhere near the object. Really, it will just cause doubts later down the road if you do this. [ie. you make it spin, then start thinking "oh wait it was the heat of my hands maybe"]
Also, you have to keep at it every day... try not to burn out and get headaches, but give significant effort. Try to make it fun (I know, its hard to make staring at a psiwheel\object a "fun thing to do"). I also learned unfortunately, this is very true about tk: Use it or lose it.
I used to be able to do it, spin both ways, really fast, or slow, slow down and change direction almost instantly... even got my ex-roomie to do it (after he saw me I guess it was fairly easy), and we'd play a game where I spin one way, he spins the other, and we see who would win ;) Tug-of-war basically.
This was well over a year ago, closer to 2 years... I have tried a few times recently and can't really move it... I got it to nudge but hey, I havent tried more than a couple times for a few minutes, or been spiritually inclined over this 'rest' period so I'm not surprised.
I truly believe anything and everything is possible, with enough focus + practice + belief... even flying.
Peace,
DiViNE
P.S. - Spoon bending is real too... I think you'll might get faster results with that. Just channel energy into a spoon (really, you have to focus and clear your mind for this whole duration) and have the INTENT of it melting\heating up\particles moving faster, then just BREAK YOUR ATTENTION hard to explain, and bend it into many wraps (if it feels like bending it normally, then it didnt quite work lol... it should feel far softer and you should loop it around at least a few times fairly easily.)
This funky lady shows you (like I said, ppl will say video is fake, I really dont know or care, I know it works from experience):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSfJjdnqfOo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-e_45BIbsg
This inspires me to continue developing
No, don't do it, don't waste your time.
It takes too long to explain why it CAN NOT - NEVER - EVER - EVER exist, but take my word for it.
It is actually a skill worth developing. not merely because of the physical results you will see, but because of the spiritual transformation you must go through to acheive it. its not just a skill, its part of a bigger path. i wouldnt focus on it, but i would pursue it. BTW, it does exist and has been well documented for over 20-30 years by well respected scientists. :) as to control, that comes with communication between subconscious and conscious mind. you have to be able to control yourself. EVERY part of yourself. meditation is good for it. but its a long way away to looking at a rock and making it levitate. and no, there are no children born with a "gift" for it who can levitate large objects. you can have an aptitude for it, but you will most likely not be able to control it unless unaware of the telekinetic force behind your desire. a good example is when my grandmother shielded herself from a heavy pan that was going to fall on her. she threw it to the end of the isle in the store before it hit her head after falling off the top shelf. to some degree, she had control over the object, but she was unaware that she had control over it. its because it did what she wanted, but she did not KNOW it would do what she wanted. the stress probably helped her do it too. and its very hard to replicate results like that because we dont fully understand telekinesis and we dont have a constant link between our minds that allows us to do some things over and over again.
Don't listen to him, don't waste your time!!!
You only got 60 years!!!
Don't waste it!
I would strongly advise you be cautious of anyone who refers to spiritual growth as a waste of time. It is ultimately your job to grow, as you are still a child. However, there are those who would hinder this.
I think people only pursue telekinetic ability because they think 'It'd be cool to be able to do'. From that perspective I'd have to agree with Sharpe. The spoken word is at present the greatest strength of mind available to any of us. It can cause political movements and massive social transformations. Don't waste your time focussing your attention on moving a cork in water for 5 years when you can focus on moving the whole world with your voice instead.
I won't say telekinesis is impossible because I simply don't know, but it does seem like a waste of time. How many telekinetics can anyone show me in real life in action? You just don't see it.
-AM
The reason is because the possibility of telekinesis opens a whole new venue of thought. Need I not remind you it has been studied and proven, so its existence is not up for discussion. Twenty years of hard data will show this. The purpose of pursuing telekinesis, although seemingly trivial to those who are ignorant of its mechanisms, is to expand your mind. If you study the right way, it can help you in other ways as well. It is because there is something you have to do to be a successfully strong telekinetic. I'm not going to tell you what that is. It's best to find out on your own. However, the rewards are great. And yes, you have a lot of time. I can't imagine how practicing for 15 minutes a day could possibly take up your time. A word of advice, no one has the answer to telekinesis and is going to sell it to you. You'll find it within yourself, not in a book that cost $99.99 at Border's. :)
Quote from: morning_star on October 02, 2007, 08:49:35
Need I not remind you it has been studied and proven, so its existence is not up for discussion. Twenty years of hard data will show this.
What data? I'll need a credible link or book reference.
Quote from: morning_star on October 02, 2007, 08:49:35
The purpose of pursuing telekinesis, although seemingly trivial to those who are ignorant of its mechanisms, is to expand your mind.
The purpose of telekinesis should be to move objects with your mind.
Quote from: morning_star on October 02, 2007, 08:49:35
I can't imagine how practicing for 15 minutes a day could possibly take up your time.
Say we live about 70 years and we start practicing at around 20. That's about 190 days straight of practice. Takes a bit of time I'd say.
Quote from: morning_star on October 02, 2007, 08:49:35
I'm not going to tell you what that is. It's best to find out on your own. A word of advice, no one has the answer to telekinesis and is going to sell it to you. You'll find it within yourself, not in a book that cost $99.99 at Border's. :)
Well your not going to be listened to if you don't substantiate the claim with evidence or some sought or theory of its mechanics. Just saying 'I know' and everyone else is ignorant won't get you far. People aren't rushing to what seems like a wild goose chase.
-AM
I don't negate the fact that telekinesis might be possible by some kind of supreme master of something or other who can't show the world for some moral reason I don't totally get...
...but amateur telekinesis tends to show NO results. I read about claims of results all the time, but for some reason, no one can do it live or produce a believable video. If it was easily possible and scientifically observable, why is there no hard evidence?
Quote from: morning_star on October 02, 2007, 08:49:35
The reason is because the possibility of telekinesis opens a whole new venue of thought. Need I not remind you it has been studied and proven, so its existence is not up for discussion. Twenty years of hard data will show this. The purpose of pursuing telekinesis, although seemingly trivial to those who are ignorant of its mechanisms, is to expand your mind. If you study the right way, it can help you in other ways as well. It is because there is something you have to do to be a successfully strong telekinetic. I'm not going to tell you what that is. It's best to find out on your own. However, the rewards are great. And yes, you have a lot of time. I can't imagine how practicing for 15 minutes a day could possibly take up your time. A word of advice, no one has the answer to telekinesis and is going to sell it to you. You'll find it within yourself, not in a book that cost $99.99 at Border's. :)
What AM said:"where's the data"?
Quote from: Awakened_Mind on October 02, 2007, 02:31:27
I think people only pursue telekinetic ability because they think 'It'd be cool to be able to do'. From that perspective I'd have to agree with Sharpe. The spoken word is at present the greatest strength of mind available to any of us. It can cause political movements and massive social transformations. Don't waste your time focussing your attention on moving a cork in water for 5 years when you can focus on moving the whole world with your voice instead.
I won't say telekinesis is impossible because I simply don't know, but it does seem like a waste of time. How many telekinetics can anyone show me in real life in action? You just don't see it.
-AM
"It'd be cool to be able to do"
Well, just think about christianity, someone who has a high status in this world has a low status in the afterlife.
This is a philosophy they live by.
Espescially poor people, to lift the stress of being a part of the lowest part of the pyramid, they think of the afterlife.
And it's presented to them as some sort of a relief, poor people go to heaven and get a high status instantly.
At least, that's what I have interpreted in the bible (sorry if I misinterpreted stories).
It's fascinating how well this works if you look back in history.
Anyways, people do this all the time, espescially little kids (I used to do it aswell), they imagine that they have incredible powers and rule the world.
That's probably why people that "practice" telekenisis are 12 to 16 years old.
Probably has something to do with their brains not being fully developed, so info received is more vivid than an adult.
So the pattern is: They might have a low status now, but "somewhere" or "secretly" they have this immense status, higher than anyone ever existed.
Watch some cartoons, you might notice this often, very often. (Dragonball Z)
It's always about being more "powerfull". (In adults I believe this is the same, but indirectly)
So these believers in telekenisis, have the same idea in mind.
It's not about "expanding" anything.
Expanding the mind is what smart people do, learning about everything.
Learning about your own behaviour as a human being is the best thing to do before anything, I think.
If you know how your behaviour works, you will not make any stupid mistakes, like wasting loads of time on something, just so you can get the prestige you want.
Why don't you just become a rocket scientist or a cardiologist, you get more status than you can imagine AND you officially have the stereotype (rocketscientist) as the smartest guy in town.
And beside that, you will expand your mind tremendously!
Wow. I had no idea how far ahead of you all I was. Although, I have to say I am not talking about easily taught telekinesis that occurs among teenagers with youtube accounts. Telekinesis is far from easy, and most teenagers lack the focus and intelligence it takes to learn the skill.
Here's the link where you can find all the reports and data results from thirty years of experimentation.
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html
I was not aware I had to prove this to a community that shares information on the subject. I think I now realize that you all have a very primitive understanding of what telekinesis actually is. The purpose is not to move objects with your mind. That is just the physical result of what you are doing. As to how much time it takes to practice it, most people spend a lot more time watching television. Nothing can be lost from training your mind to focus and control itself.
Now to address the those who beleive I am wasting my time. Prestige is all well and good, but it is not all that you think it is. In fact, it is probably a lot less. I am not advocating learning something to gain a feeling of importance. I am not advocating the desire to impress people. I am saying that actual telekinesis is worth the time to study.
I am sorry you refuse to step away from your illogical stereotypes, vague accusations, your inability to believe that your eyes do not consume all the knowledge in the universe, and your inherent desire to argue incessantly over every microscopic detail that challenges your view of the world. Sadly, it is not uncommon for me to come across people who refuse to grow and let go of their misconceptions.
The only reason I am giving you the information that I have is to prod you into further study. It is not because I am trying to indoctrinate the world into wasting their time and pursue a fantasy that will make them feel good about themselves. I don't need to do that. I am merely a student and I am saying to you that my studies have value. It is wise to make some attempt to understand everything I have said. Gems have many facets.
"I am sorry you refuse to step away from your illogical stereotypes, vague accusations, your inability to believe that your eyes do not consume all the knowledge in the universe, and your inherent desire to argue incessantly over every microscopic detail that challenges your view of the world. Sadly, it is not uncommon for me to come across people who refuse to grow and let go of their misconceptions"
Without skepticism we are lost in a sea of strident claims, most of which are proporsterous and certainly not all of which can be true. You can't expect to try and teach anyone a truth without encountering skepticism, that's just unrealistic.
These forums to a lot of us are a source of information where we can discuss certain topics. I am really here to have my ideas challenged and refined so that they be more thorough. Don't see any skepticism coming your way as a personal attack, if you have information you think is important then let us know. Did you become a member to participate or not?
Now if we are discussing telekinetics as the general idea (such as picking up a pen with your mind), then you'll need more than that website which really said nothing on the topic. If you are talking about telekinesis as mind interacting with matter with respect to quantum physics and the human mind creating reality then I think you need to verify that. I've read about the PEAR study in a book which I think when I have the time I'll have to re-read. Are you referring to the study where subjects opened the machine and then were asked to focus on internal gadgets to effect the output of numbers or just simply focussing on random number generators to produce outputs of more 1's than 0's?
All we are getting from you is "I am smarter than you". Enlighten me.
-AM
I am not seeing it as a personal attack. That is merely something you see, most likely, because you are doing it. In the end, truth resonates differently within us. You will know what it is.
The pear study is mostly centered around the human/machine experiments whose results clearly stated that the mind could immediately affect matter with no physical connection. This is the basis of telekinesis. Also look into Alain Aspect and his particle experiment. That should provoke some independent thought. I am not going to tell you everything. If I just gave you the answer, it would not affect you as much as if you discovered it for yourself. It is not simple, and it is not alone.
You are here because you want the simple answer. I am here because i sought the simple answer and found something much more complex and enlightening and I had to share it with you. I can show you the way, but you have to walk the path.
The problem with the machine experiment is we still cannot see what's going on inside. Other studies have shown that an outcome can be effected without focussing on any internal componetns of the machine. So it raises question to whether the component is effected itself or simply the thought of effecting the outcome. Subjects are told to focus on one thing, but the subjectivity of the experiments limits its explanatory success.
If the particle experiment you are referring to is two twin particles who when separated by indefinite distances, will respond exactly the same way when only one is effected. Implying there is some form of communication link between the two.
I think the problem here you are not specifying what you're talking about when you mention telekinesis. Most people associate it with moving objects with the mind. You're definition appears to be different. Not the typical idea where Yoda lifts a space craft out of water. You need to clarify what you mean by 'telekinesis'. Once we understand this then perhaps independent enquiry will ascertain some truth. At the moment it seems you've put a lot of things I separate from telekinetics into its box.
-AM
Did that site you gave us actually mentioned telekenesis?
All I read was about consciousness and reality.
Thank you for wasting my time pal.
And before I walk the path, I just need you to not talk the talk but walk the walk yourself, so you can actually prove it exists.
Yes you need to prove something before you can talk about these things as reality IMO.
If you can't prove anything, you musn't open your mouth, you must practise.
It is called thinking. It is what students do when they learn things, not when they are shown the answer. It does not take that much thinking to make obvious correlations.
I'll agree that discovering something for yourself is the best method of learning. Anything learnt is really self-discovery anyway IMO. The problem I'm having here morning_star is I'm not entirely sure understanding what you define as telekinesis. That I cannot discover for myself, I need it clarified for me to understand. I can find information on the PEAR study and the particle experiment independently, you've done well at pointing in that direction. I haven't seen them grouped into telekinetics before. I'm interested in this seemingly broadening definition of telekinetics.
Science can do much about explaining the muscles and motion involved in clenching a fist, but the act of doing so is really an example of telekinesis in itself. Mind effecting matter, if mind and matter are separate that is
-AM
AM, no, because you have neurons attached to your arm which signal the muscles in your arm.
With telekenesis there is no connection between you and the object.
Sharpe must not understand what the data collected from the particle experiments imply. :) Telekinesis is the mind's influence over physcial matter. Macro telekinesis is the levitation or visible movement of a relatively large object. Micro telekinesis is a much smaller scale as depicted in the PEAR experiments. The question about the existance of telekinesis has been answered. Whether or not macro telekinesis can be performed by a human depends entirely on the mental strength and the progress they have made toward the truth. I have accidentally done a few things that have been witnessed by my family. It is mostly associated with electronic equipment, but I have also propelled objects across the room while looking at them. Don't ask me to prove it, I cannot replicate what I can't control. However, this is beside the point. I am only telling you what I have learned from my experiences.
It really depends whether the dualists or monists are right Sharpe. Whether there is mind and matter or just matter.
-AM
I think it is safe to say that your presence on this forum indicates a belief in a soul.
Not necessarily. Some are here to argue the materialist perspective. Sharpe tends to give that impression. I like it. Both sides of the argument need to be recognised and understood.
-AM
Morningstar, I believe that your experience of telekenesis is a lie.
So, I do not have to take anything you say as a fact.
Because I know for myself that there is no "mind" classicly interpreted like in this thread, I believe that telekenesis would be useless for evolutionairy progression.
For this FACT, it would eliminate any sign of telenesis existing.
Because we have arms and legs.
Telekenesis wouldn't only be useless, it would destroy the evolution system we are in.
Having telekenesis abilities allows you to release neurotransmitters on command. (If you know where they are located)
I know this because I asked myself the question: "What would I do if I had 2 wishes?"
Easy: Release the perfect ammount of the needed neurotransmitters to make me think I am walking on clouds.
The second wish is making me immortal.
Because, beside these 2, you don't "need" a car or a big house, it's all in your head.
Even your status, high or low, it's all in your head.
If you had the ability to release these neurotransmitters on command, you wouldn't have the need to progress.
Why would evolution want this?
Well, I can easily say that it doesn't because evolution will progress and that will never stop, unless every living lifeform is dead.
I think I have given you enough problems to ponder upon
So you do not believe in telekinesis because it you think you know how it works and you understand it completely and you know for a fact that it cannot exist because you have the answer to all of life's puzzling questions. :) The student who thinks he has surpassed the master is the student who does not surpass his competition. I would try to expand my mind instead of negating everything that conflicts with my current belief system. It is called "learning." Children do it better. :)
Yes, I know that I have more knowledge than you.
Also the fact that you did not try to fix any of the problems I gave against telekenesis, but you only attacked me on a personal level.
And your sarcastic words are incorrect because I did not say I had the answers to life's puzzling questions.
And I also noticed you think you "know" what people are doing, but it's hilarious how little you know of how people actually think.
I don't need to "learn" anything from you, because I know more than you. ":-)"
morning_star and sharpe -- the pot and kettle calling each other black :roll:
Oh excuse me for coming up for myself, thou superiority.
Please don't ban me :|
I didn't mention a ban nor did I give any warning to you. I merely made an observation -- you and morning_star tend to 'debate' things in a very similar fashion. I simply found it amusing -- that's all.
I tend to debate things after I have investigated them. Don't make the mistake of disregarding my experience as an opinion.
Quote from: Sharpe on October 06, 2007, 11:14:47
Please don't ban me :|
Is the obsequious tone because you actually thought you were going to get banned, or is it something else?
QuoteI think it is safe to say that your presence on this forum indicates a belief in a soul.
If everyone here believed in exactly the same thing it wouldn't be very fun, would it? :-D
Quote from: Novice on October 06, 2007, 12:04:26
I didn't mention a ban nor did I give any warning to you. I merely made an observation -- you and morning_star tend to 'debate' things in a very similar fashion. I simply found it amusing -- that's all.
Ok, hey you observated us to make urself feel superior over us to everyone on these forums, to feel happy.
But seriously, me and morningstar are 2 completely different people.
It is disrespectfull, to say that we are alike.
Because, you do not know me, or him.
There was nothing 'superior' in my comment or response. I was neither rude nor condenscending. I merely stated that the two of you respond similarly in this thread: you both know you are right, you both know the other is wrong, you both address each other in a condescending tone. I found it amusing because I don't think either one of you realised you were doing this...which is evident from your responses.
Everyone sees things differently, especially if you are on the outside looking (like me watching you two go back and forth).
Mentioning similarities between two people is disrespectful?? :?
I'll leave you two continue.
No, I know what we were doing, but the thing that interests me the most is how you deny that you feel superiority as this probably seems to go against the "society", am I correct? (or are you thinking that I know nothing about you or how you think to make those conclusions?)
Besides that point, you obviously must have had a motivation to post your "observation".
The word amusing leads to comedy, comedy is laughing for finding something lower than you (aka superiority).
I'm just saying, you can deny truth all you want, and you can make observations whenever you want, just watch to whom you observate and speak of your observation, because some people do not like it when the other thinks he knows better than him.
I did not like it when morningstar was doing it, and I also do not like it when you are doing it.
You aren't better than me.
There's nothing similar between me and morningstar, he has absolutely different beliefs.
Now, can we get back on topic please?
I know I am not condescending and I know where I stand on the issue of worth.
I believe my goal has been mis-interpreted. Think in terms of light. That will help you understand. It is foolish to think that some of us know everything. Only by sharing the information we know can we help everyone else progress and BE helped by everyone else. It is a collective accomplishment.
Quote from: morning_star on October 06, 2007, 00:20:25
So you do not believe in telekinesis because it you think you know how it works and you understand it completely and you know for a fact that it cannot exist because you have the answer to all of life's puzzling questions. :) The student who thinks he has surpassed the master is the student who does not surpass his competition. I would try to expand my mind instead of negating everything that conflicts with my current belief system. It is called "learning." Children do it better. :)
I completely agree with you on that. Just because something is studied and observations are made, and one finds out something unexplained, does it really mean that one cannot achieve something extraordinary? I mean come on people, do you really believe everything your told? Do you Really Believe everything you read? If you think about something not gonna happen, it won't happen. If you believe something will happen, it surely will.
Now, from my testing that I have made using both a Psi-wheel, and a up-side-down watch{easier to spin than a watch just sitting on a counter} i have succeeding in moving the psi-wheel consecutively, as well as the spinning of the watch. I even went so far as to jot down what and how it happened, as well as to make sure nothing else made effects to which both the watch and psi-wheel moved on thier own. They didn't. So I know for a fact that Telekinesis is possible for some, they just need to find out the directions on how to do it for themselves. TK is not not possible, because i found out for myself with my own two eyes that i can indeed move things with my mind. {I just think that it's strength correlates the same way as would your body when lifting wieghts, as your body becomes stronger after enough training, so to i believe will telekinesis strength improve.
it is possible
i love this feild of stuff any ways ive been doing this for many years longer than ive owned this account lol any ways some people need their hands to move it untill they recognise the mindset they need to be iin to just guide their energy or their surrounding energy the farthist ive done is 2 yards away under a jar and the doors and windows were shut obviusly lol any ways it took me a lot of free time and practice to get their (i was grounded lol)
any ways the worse thing you can do is thisnk ok im really good now i dont need to practice i made a big misstake with that and now im regaining my abillity and its alot more accurate with the turning in diffrent directions but unfortionatly i cant get the distance any more i can get about a foot now but its without the jar lol so always practice i even practiced in school alot of my friends were pagans so they didnt flip out when i did it they just joined and we had fun lol
~silentfox~
hi tksjm lol didnt realise ive seen you four times already and posted after you almost as many hahaha i agree with you completly from experience
hey i just grabed this from one of my old post try these methods and tell me how it turns out oh i am going to try and recolect all my methodes used and ideas that worked and didnt work and post them just to see what works for other people but once you get a feel for the energy around you you should be able to do any method almost
i can almost fold foil XD
through experienc i sujest a couple of things
1. try to use your perifrial vision (side vision) unstead of direct ey to wheel contact witch causes your eyes to twitch ,then you loose focase on what you whant it to do. while you are doing this try to sort of space out without loosing consiusness (falling asleep,drifting into never land) and focuse on the enegy /ki/chi/magneticfeild/chakra what ever you prefer to call it but i stick to energy .so focuse on that ,and if you are yousing a jar this might work for you try to let the idea/image of a hurrican manifest inside the jar i say manifest because you need to stay focused . and dothis without thinking this can be easy if you just force your self to believe it , AND DONT QUIT.
i really hope this helped because this is the methode i yoused on my wheel under a jar just try not to get tense
2. you could also try to do it with a freind together that is into this also (vary rare) but when i got my freind to do it he picked up fast then when we tried together we had to sort of sync together but the wheel nearly flew off the pin that was cool.
one more thing
3.fist try both hands then move to one then no hands /or try puting distance between you and the wheel
wish you luck
im tired
~silentfox~
There was one experience that when i was totally relaxed on my bed, a fly landed on the tv set that i was watching and i just didnt want the fly to be in my room, much less in my house, so i raised one hand out to send energy at it, and as i did i just saw the fly, no other thoughts, just energy and the fly. And after a few moments of looking at the fly i closed my hand quickly as if i were crushing something and the fly dropped to the floor, dead. I dont know if it was me who made the fly drop dead, but i know that it wasnt coincidence either. I know i can control energy, and i know i can move the psi wheel....and i'm sure that this post probably doesnt belong in this thread, but i believe that i used telekinesis and energy {weither or not they coexsist is beyond my knowledge so far} to effect the fly somehow......and after that i started to get back into moving the psi wheel after a few months to a year of non use. I dont know, maybe something in my head said to do something the same way with the psi wheel as with the fly. I dont know, what do you think?
~TK