Telekinesis Strength the same concept as Physical Strength?????

[tksjm]

Any ideas on this? Because i think that the strength of Tk power is the same concept as being physically strong....you gotta work out.....weither it be mental of physical......
thanks.
~TK

[dotster]

yeah, i've often wondered that too. what i've come to believe is that because we are so accustomed at having to work and work to see improvement, that deep down "subconsciously" that is how we believe we improve, little by little with time and practice, and therefore that is how we think learning TK should be. i do think though, that with some "un-learning" moving a pencil would be as easy as moving a large house, however, we just aren't "programed" to think like that.

[Awakened_Mind]

Metaphorically it can be spoken about the same. Such as you need to lift heavier weights to train your muscles, likewise you need the same type of progression with telekinetic ability. They are two entirely different acts in reality.

-AM

[tksjm]

Yes, It is metaphorically, that these two things coexist, but at the same time they operate in 2 completely different ways.{and again, not that far apart from one another either......metaphorically....brother and sister kinda thing.....}
But there is one thing i dont get about this concept....if one has to go and lift heavier things......how should that wieght be distributed?....in lbs?....in kilograms?....in grams?.....just how should one go about it?.....

~TK

[Awakened_Mind]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, there are no publicly known telekinetics to learn from.

-AM

[tksjm]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, there are no publicly known telekinetics to learn from.

-AM

Maybe AM, but that doesn't mean that one cannot still try to learn on his own now does it?.....It just means that one has to try harder to get as far as with professional help. I've already started to move things.....and I've taught my brother as well as a few of my friends over the recent weekend......and they are all able to move things AM.....{IDK, maybe that makes me the professional help....hahaha}
Anyways, I know for a fact that the mind influences and effects the material world.
The only question in my mind is how far can one go?.....Because one does not know if we as a whole are limitless......

Good Luck and Take care.
~TK

[Awakened_Mind]

I'm not saying that you can't search for yourselves. I have a philosophy on following you're on curiosity. You may have interpreted 'no publicly known telekinetics' as sarcastic. My point being for people who are merely interested in telekinetics as a reality, we don't really have much to go off other than faith. Where is the evidence or theorised physics of how this works? Physical matter is moving, so it must have some basis in the physical realm.

My closest encounter I've had with telekinetics is having a pendulum and attempting to use my thoughts to control the direction of the swing, being one of three alternatives: horizontal, vertical or around in circles. Now this worked without me touching it with my hand, the string was taped to my head and i was lying over a bench so gravity would pull it directly down. I was able to manipulate the direction of the swing but this object was in contact with me so I don't consider that any more of a demonstration of telekinesis than clenching a fist.

-AM

[tksjm]

Where is the evidence or theorised physics of how this works? Physical matter is moving, so it must have some basis in the physical realm.

Well my theory on telekinesis is the idea of magnetism as a means to an end....... all mattre has a magnetic field around them...i think this is its aura in my opinion.....but this magnetic field moves things without physically touching them....tests have been done with electro magnets and watnot that levitated a frog......{was on the discovery channel, something to do with super magnets}....but anyways, my point is that with magnetism, it could very well effect matter without touch.....this is just my opinion though.....
What you think about this idea AM.....

~TK

[Awakened_Mind]

My main concern here is this: in a physical dimension, when a force is exerted on an object, that object will exert and equal opposing force back. So say we are lifting a television remote of the table with our mind, what is the force under/above the television remote being maintained by? In your experiences of moving objects, did the object appear to be affected by an external force or was the object ITSELF, moving?

Magnetism is definitely a viable candidate for explanation for the former. I've mentioned the idea of possibly finding the objects resonance with your mind and moving it that way.

I noticed Duncan O'Finioan recently signed up on the forums. From watching your interview on Project Camelot it was my understanding that you possessed telekinetic abilities? How do you interpret it as a telekinetic?

-AM

[tksjm]

Maybe, just maybe.....all that energy is....{wether or not its spelled differently in other countries} ... is just magnetism to begin with?..... I mean it does seem to fit the profile....to propel someone using ch'i or to heal someone using Qi......I don't know, maybe its just coincidence that i fiqured this out on my own....or maybe its not just me, maybe its many out there.....that think that magnetism is the energy we percieve......
I'm gonna do a few tests with magnets and see if this explains things for a bit.....{until a better view is established}

But I do believe that the energy that has been talked about in many oriental countries and the process behind psychic phenomenon like Telekinesis and Telepathy....are all due to magnetism and its effects .......

Tell me if this sounds like a possibility to you AM....and anyone else that posts....

~TK

[dotster]

Perhaps even, it is a something completely different, something new. Not new in a sense that has just been birthed, but new in a sense that it is something that our scientist are unaware of and therefore have not studied. Scientist cannot explain everything, not yet anyways. People discover new things everyday. Perhaps this "energy" or whatever it is has been recognized, but maybe simply overlooked in the manner that we manipulate it. It happens all the time. You many have a golden locket for years and years and only discover that it actually opens after you have had it for 30 years. What i'm trying to say is who really knows for sure? But i'm sure that it will be discovered soon enough. In fact, scientists are already trying to formulate the process of telekeniss. One of them looks like this: TK = CFe + VC + ZPE - SD - E+

for more info on that little baby, a little google under TK formula should do the trick. keep your minds open friends. anything is possible.

[Awakened_Mind]

tksjm, Yes it could be a form of manipulation of magnetism. A test to do could be hooking up a volt meter to either side of a wire and then moving it telekinetically. If the volt meter detects a current, magnetism could be suspected. If not, then we are looking at gravity. Which is also a logical option, we're not entirely sure of how gravity works. Perhaps a manipulation of the forces of gravity between yourself and the object.

Another test with magnetism could be using magnetised metal shavings and picking up a wire from within them telekinetically. If no metal shavings are lifted and the wire is singled out, then it's probably a matter of gravity. We still won't know how the gravitational forces of the object are effected and the subsequent effects on surrounding items perhpas pulled into orbit? You'd need a weight free environment.

-AM