these elements are needed: carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, and probably a few others.
how do I develop those? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
choose your words more carefully [:P]
to develop telekinesis:
visualize everything around you until your visualization and the physical objects become the same thing.
Ok, let me see if I understand you correctly.
Let's say I wan't to move a penny on the table. First thing I do is look at the penny, and in my mind's eye visualize the penny and then try to move it?
Or is there more to it than that?
www.psipog.net has some good articles. There is also the SEARCH button on the top of the forum, it really comes in handy. TK is basically getting your subconcious to move stuff for you. You have to do it by knowing its going to move, and expect it to move. Think of it this way - wiggle your fingers. They wiggle, right? Did you expect them to wiggle? Yes. And don't try a penny, try something than can roll very easily, like a superball.
I have heard that in order to move an object you must first become that object. Is this true?
alpine, if you try to move the penny, it wont move. If you move your visualization before it becomes the penny and the physical penny becomes your visualization, then your attention moves too far away from spacetime to move the penny. If you wait for that, it will move easily.
centa five, that is similar to what I'm saying.
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Originally posted by Centa Five
I have heard that in order to move an object you must first become that object. Is this true?
No.
In order to have a poo, you do not have to become, the poo.
but s****ing and telekinesis are different!
HAHAHAHA ROFL!!! [:D] Is that what happens when you meditate while sitting on the crapper?
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Originally posted by beavis
but s****ing and telekinesis are different!
Why should they be? both are accomplished by using the mind, both are natural, the only difference is one we do regular the other we've forgot or not learnt yet how to do.
When you go to pick up a pen you dont have to become the pen, you dont even have to visualise it first - it simply happens.
Moving stuff with your mind would be like moving something with an invisble arm.
mind --> body --> s*** moves
mind --> s*** moves
You dont see a difference?
beavis, how do you know when your visualization and the physical object become one?
About how long does it usally take with an unbroken stream of concentration?
Also when they merge you should now be able to completly control the object until you break concentration, right?
how do you know when your visualization and the physical object become one?
When one moves the other moves with it without you having to do anything.
About how long does it usally take with an unbroken stream of concentration?
less than a minute
Also when they merge you should now be able to completly control the object until you break concentration, right?
Not completely because they are not completely merged. I can put force on it in any direction. If I had complete control, I could accelerate it to half the speed of light, but I cant. It is continuous control.
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Originally posted by beavis
If you move your visualization before it becomes the penny and the physical penny becomes your visualization, then your attention moves too far away from spacetime to move the penny. If you wait for that, it will move easily.
sorry im interested in telekineses and u confuse me here lol. what do u mean move your visualization before it becomes the penny???? and also what do u mean by your attention moving too far away from spacetime to move the penny?
hi, i studied tk. and it worked sometimes but not all the way. what you do is visualize the object moving in that direction you want.like visualize it in the spot you want it to go.it will take a while but stay calm and concentrate.dont get angry if you dont get good enough soon,you will it takes practice.you can also make psy balls too!there cool if you know how to control them. i made alot of them,but couln't see them.only a spark.
gl [:D]
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Originally posted by beavis
mind --> body --> s*** moves
mind --> s*** moves
You dont see a difference?
mind --> body --> s*** moves
mind --> energy body --> s*** moves
Energy body is just a theory to explain why we feel like we're in a body at all times.
mind -> whatever-leaves-the-body-or-is-created-by-the-body-to-allow-astralprojection -> s**t moves, then [|)].
alpine: i'd say develop your mind, and whatever form of energy you use. develop them for strength of use since i'm of the opinion that tk is more of a strength-related ability than a skill-related ability.
to develop your mind try: reading, meditating, training in the martial arts, etc focusing on gaining mental strength (aka willpower).
as well, live your life very much in the physical so that you get a strong sense of it. that should help you to connect your mind/spirit to the physical world more easily and therefore learn tk more easily.
but these are just my ideas on it and may not be shared by others [|)]. plus, i've only been able to spin the pin-wheel through difficulty and i've even lost my ability to do that, so perhaps i'm not the best person to be listening to [;)].
~kakkarot
You just renamed energy body and ASSUMED that there is a middle step. You have not added anything to what Hephaestus said.
you're right. but i was making a point. the thing that some people call the energy body exists, there is just too much evidence to support it. but i'm not here to convert you, just argue the point [:P]
basically though, what heph and them seem to be saying is that there is a medium between the mind and the object which allows the force/energy from the mind to propogate to the object, and that medium isn't the mind but is the energy body. you, on the other hand, seem to be saying that the mind creates it's own medium (or is it's own medium) to allow it's force/energy to propogate to the object (correct me if i'm wrong). the mind->body->object is saying that the physical body is the medium through which the mind acts. am i right? [|)]
oh, and the energy body is more a theory based upon the observations of the kirilian couple and their photographing machines. they observed what they called energy and observed that it is intricately and intimately connected to our physical bodies, and that it seemed to be just like our physical body in shape and purpose but was not physical. hence "energy" body. it had nothing to do with people *feeling* like we're always in a body. at least, that's what i read in a book, but who can trust those these days [;)] (actually it was written in 1970 and thankfully has none of the new-age fluff/crap in it).
~kakkarot
^ couldnt have said it better myself. [|)]
A body can be a medium for a spirit to affect things. That is a form of telekinesis, but everybody can do it, so its not interesting.
I dont doubt that there are energy inputs and/or outputs to physical bodies (as seen by the kirlian cameras), but that doesnt mean there is an energy body that can separate from the physical body.
Human minds like to see the same thing repeatedly. They are experts at forming habits.
If energy bodies dont exist, human minds would probably think they are always in a body even if they are not (because in astral you can see/create whatever you want to).
Energy bodies could be created in astral without having a more permanant existance, but they could be equally real as the pink elephants you might see.
DarkQuest sorry im interested in telekineses and u confuse me here lol. what do u mean move your visualization before it becomes the penny????
When doing tk on a penny... If you move your visualization before it is connected to the penny, your visualization will be different than the real penny, which decreases what little influence it had on the penny. To influence the penny, everything about it should be similar to the penny. Your visualization should feel like a penny, have the same weight, etc.
and also what do u mean by your attention moving too far away from spacetime to move the penny?
Dreams and what you think (the part not done by your brain) exist in a space outside of spacetime but still connected to spacetime. Physical objects can move from spacetime to there and back. I forget what that is called, but things have been found that change weight when they are turned on their sides (because they are more than 3d+time).
After u focused on the object...do you have to close your eyes and than visualize it...and then move the visualisation? But your eyes are closed...so how can you see if the object is moving?
I usually visualize and see at the same time. I have also done telekinesis with my eyes closed. Many times I dont know what the object is doing, but sometimes I can feel it moving. I have to feel it to move it with eyes open or closed.
what elements are needed to develop telekinises?
Ie:chi, mind control,psi
how can one develop more psi?
Is there any site that shows you how to develop all 8 psychic abilities?