Mayatnik: question about the second sun

[Hephaestus]

Second sun? we dont have a second sun, we only have one, the next nearest sun is Proxima Centauri.

[Kazbadan]

I know that! But in the site speaks something about a second sun or planet x. The provide the necessary ways (in the site) to see such star.

Instead of abandoning the idea just because it is somehow crazy (sorry but it what it looks like  at first glance)i will check up by myself and see if there is a second sun or planet. And if i find it i will analyse if it is indee such planet (or sun) or if it is caused by any effect of the light.

Do not discard ideas immediatly just because they look weird when you look at it in the first time. I am curiuos, just that.

[Hephaestus]

Astronomers even with the hubble space telescope havnt found planet X so I doubt there is any viable means in detecting such a planet or sister star.
However i'd be interested in hearing mayatnik's explanation myself on how to detect it.

[kakkarot]

well, with the idea that planet x is on the exact opposite side of the sun from us, the best way to figure out if it's really there or not is to just launch a camera into space and make it just stay where we currently are, and then in a half year when planet x supposedly arrives at that spot the camera would be able to show if there's actually anything there or if it's just empty space.

however, shortly after the fad of planet x began scientists figured out that there is nothing there. it was originally a theory to explain for ... "unaccounted for gravitational forces in our solar system" i believe it was. but they realized that the cloud of asteroids on the outskirts of our solar system make up for those no-longer-unaccounted-for gravitational forces. but of course conspirarists say it's just a cover up for the truth [].

but then, the original post was asking about how to see it with the naked eye, so if it actually can be seen that would be interesting [|)].

~kakkarot

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

well, with the idea that planet x is on the exact opposite side of the sun from us, the best way to figure out if it's really there or not is to just launch a camera into space and make it just stay where we currently are, and then in a half year when planet x supposedly arrives at that spot the camera would be able to show if there's actually anything there or if it's just empty space.

A good point!

The camera's are called Voyager 1 and Voyager 2. Between them they've already photographed all of the solar system. Nothing hiding in here![]

The only thing I could consider valid would be if there is a large slow moving comet or planet type mass that intersects out solar system every couple of thousand years, and has a highly eccentric orbit. Depending on how far away from our solar system it is now, it would be difficult if not near on impossible to spot by either optical or radio telescopes. Mind you the chances of a body with such an orbit coming close to the earth....

James.

[shedt]

I thought Sitchin explained the Nibiru's orbit is a long strange one, that it takes a long time too complete. the probes we send can only travel so far and so fast. but who really knows ?

right now, not me !

as far as i know...

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[Aries]

PlanetX does have a long and unusual orbit. It orbits two suns, including our own. And Scientists have seen it. They probly even have pics of it, but why would NASA release such pictures?
Anyways yes it is affecting our systems gravity. According to NASA and other star groups there has been "unknown gravitational forces" tugging at pluto and the out lying planets.
you actually can see some pics of it here. www.zetatalk.com
go to "incoming!"
I would just do some more reasearch on it, there is lots of info out there.
-Aries

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by Aries

PlanetX does have a long and unusual orbit. It orbits two suns, including our own.

Which other sun? the nearest other sun to our own is about 4.2 to 4.5 lightyears away in the centauri star group and both suns gravity/pull end long before they touch eachother - there must still be some lightyears of space where neither suns gravitys have any effect, so planetX would literally have no orbit at all for thousands of years as it traverses space for several lightyears to reach the next star, and when it does come into contact with the other star there is no reason to assume it would get locked back into any form of orbit around the star.

Now if you mean we have a sister 'dark' star then ignore what I just said but personally I doubt the sun has a sister dark star AND a planet X.

[kakkarot]

i'm sorry, aries, but when i was looking through those photos it just looked like pictures of the sun taken through various filters and in various weather patterns (like through clouds or during sunsets and whatnot).

nothing really convincing to me.

and as for nasa: why WOULDN'T they release pics of it? there are more than enough non-government and amatuer astrologers out there who would have seen it too if nasa had (considering how close to the earth it's supposedly gotten). and if the non-affiliated astronomers had seen it, it would likely be much more known about than on merely one or two conspiracy pages.

i'm sorry, call me a skeptic, but i'm just not a believer ^_^

~kakkarot

[darkangel13]

Kazbadan, could you put up a link to the post where Mayantik explains how to see Nibiru (Planet X)
Thanks
-Kristina

[Kazbadan]

Hi! My problem it is just translation. I think that there is many "technical" language or terms that can have double meaning in english.

Here goes the link:
http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam34n.htm

[kakkarot]

ok, last post on this thread, i promise.

the technique (the making a pinhole thing) is likely just showing that light doesn't always act like we think it should.

find a circular disc about the size of a cd (or maybe bigger). DON'T use a cd because the cd has a hole in the middle (you'll see why this is important in a moment). get a flashlight, and now go into the basement of a (at least mostly) dark room. hold the disc a short ways from the flashlight (and turn on the flashlight ^_^ ) and hold them both a ways away from the wall. you'll likely have to continually adjust them until you get the desired effect (you might have to mount the disc on something so that you can get further from it), but at certain distances the shadow of the disc (on the wall) will have a bright spot of light in the middle of it almost as though it were focusing the light rather than blocking it.

it's an optical trick that shows how light bends around objects. another strange property of light is that it sometimes bends in strange ways when going through a really small opening (ie, the pinhole from the experiment on that page).

my highschool physics teacher showed us a bunch of neat things with light and other things to show us that the universe doesn't always behave how we think it should, and if we find one strange phenomena that we don't even understand we should NOT try to use it as an explaination for anything (and especially something else that is completely unrelated to it ^_^ ).

an example of this is the debate about the beginning of the universe: there are very smart people who are trying to find very good proof about how things started, but most of the time people only see small tricklings of that intelligent search. a lot of people who are only half into the vast debate come up with half-true examples and half-true "proofs" of things which don't actually have anything to do with the beginning of the universe, but which they try to fit to the debate anyway (christians are notorious for this, but athiests and other religious people and even a number of scientists do it too). (and that's not even including the fact that many of arguments of the ongoing debate are mere theories that are being treated as fact by each side).

ok, i'm done now. sorry to be so abrupt in my opposition to the topic but i think my rant would loose a lot of meaning if i tried to soften it up ^_^'

~kakkarot

[Kazbadan]

Hi! I saw your site but i didn´t understand the explanation on how to see the second sun with naked eye. How to build that little apparel with paper to see the sun it was a difficult explanation to understand, since my english is not good and some words are not in my dictionary. Do you have any graphic our image showing the way in wich you can look to the secind sun?

thanks