The FOURTH Eye?

[Magickist]

Hey all, recently I tried to open my third eye by rolling my physical eyes up to the place the third eye should be. Well when I did this I saw for a moment two green eyes directly above the place of my physical eyes, and by green I mean completely green. Was this just an illusion or were they actual eyes? Can someone please explain what I saw?

[dainch]

I've seen this before too. Those most likely are the eyes of one of the spiritual bodies (Astral or Etheric). I'm not totally sure but it's possible.

[Stookie]

The "3rd" eye isn't an actual eye, it's an energy center or "chakra', which is what supposedly allows seeing beyond the physical. It's what would enable you to hallucinate eyes, due to you expecting to see an eye there. With the brown chakra, you can "see" both imaginary/subjective astral images and real astral things. Learning to distinguish the two is important in chakra/astral development so you don't get caught up in imaginary things, taking them to be real.

[Magickist]

So are these indeed the eyes of another body of yours? I know it can't be hypnagogic's because I can see these at almost any time, even when wide awake. I can also see it in pitch dark so I don't think it could just be an afterimage.

[morning_star]

There is no fourth eye....:\  Our souls are cyclopes. XD They have one eye. Then are bodies have two eyes, thus making our soul's eye the third eye. It's not because there's possibly any number of eyes...  Also, I wouldn't disregard anything in the astral as being imaginary.  Lack of understanding does not indicate lack of importance.

[Stookie]

Perception in the astral isn't limited to "eyes". You can have 360 vision, which an "eye" can't do. Non-physical bodies do not have to be in the shape of a body. We expect them to be, so they are. I've experienced myself as a pinpoint of consciousness, yet could see perfectly.

The lower astral (F2) is where subjective and dream consciousness exists. Most things you encounter here are subjective (imaginary). If you fight a monster here, there is a possibility you are fighting yourself. I wouldn't discount it or you may spend all your astral time fighting yourself.

So are these indeed the eyes of another body of yours? I know it can't be hypnagogic's because I can see these at almost any time, even when wide awake. I can also see it in pitch dark so I don't think it could just be an afterimage.

It could be a real astral image, but a subjective one being projected from your subconscious, because eyes are what you subconsciously expect to see. When I wake up in the morning I tend to "see" all kinds of things, but they are mostly left over images from dreams or expectations, like an alarm clock. They aren't really there, they came from my subconscious. Just because you "see" something does not make it real.

[morning_star]

Just because you "see" something does not make it real.

Haha.  Great way to throw off everyone's perception of reality.  It's true, but I would not have been so blunt to the less experienced students. 

[Magickist]

I would not have been so blunt to the less experienced students. 

Lol, "less experienced students"?

[Embodied Words]

Yeah, like me. I've never had an OBE before, but I learn a lot just by reading your conversations on this site. I guess in a way that makes me a student?

[369]

everything is "real"

[Doringo]

Lol, "less experienced students"?

Not meaning to flame, but morning_star seems to think he's some kind of spiritual master and posts here to tell us how awesome and powerful he is because of his elite spiritual training.

He used to be erynys, I believe. Good times. 

im not really THAT psychic. i just like to pretend that i am.

Found here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_maya/new_wave_of_darkness-t26123.0.html

[greggkroodsma]

Hey all, recently I tried to open my third eye by rolling my physical eyes up to the place the third eye should be. Well when I did this I saw for a moment two green eyes directly above the place of my physical eyes, and by green I mean completely green. Was this just an illusion or were they actual eyes? Can someone please explain what I saw?

Yes . . . this is what happens when I close my eyes while listening to sounds or like Adrian's Abyss.  And dainch is right, I think, but with me I separate from the eyes and I see a head and then the chest and when I'm listening to the pulses, my eyes react as though in REM sleep. I have to tell y'all what I have learned:

Your eyeballs are filled with a liquid.  When you slosh that liquid around, the pressure of it going side to side puts pressure on the rods and cones that are in your eyeball.  I guess it is like having a neurosurgeon operate and make you think certain things by putting pressure in certain locations.  Your brain is so absolutely magnificent.

Now, when I am listening to the recording, my eyes are going back and forth and I can actually see the swirling of the liquid in my eyeball.  I concentrate on the center of the left swirl (those swirls are probably what you see).  I draw myself into it and it is like going into a tunnel with daylight on the other end.  I am in the tunnel for a time and when I get to the light, I come out of the tunnel and I notice the motion of hands and I hear voices saying, 'This way; C'mon.'

Well, I have been having wonderful dreams and that brings me to what Stookie said about the 'third-eye.'  From what I understand, the pineal gland secretes a hormone at the end of the day probably triggered by the nighttime interaction of the degree to which the sun shines on the surface of the moon and causes a slight reverse field of magnetism (Which is probably why there is more crime and strange animal behavior).  When the serotonin is excreted it is changed into melatonin.  These hormones, I believe, are responsible for shutting down the outside memories of light and causing the eyes to become the brain.  Which brings me to an explanation of Iridology.  I just came up with the idea (not Iridology): 

The Iris of your eye is said to correspond to certain areas of the body.  The ring around your pupil is said to be your food canal, for instance.  It's like a round 3-D image of your body.   The melatonin might work with the synapses making them fire and since your brain is not restricted by your outside view of stuff, the way you react to the firing of the rods and cones by pressure is the same way you react to things you see on the outside. 

I guess the best way to see the eyes of the spirit is look at a bright light or the sun and then close your eyes. 

Morning_star says there is no 4th eye.  What is that?  Our souls have one eye. 

We would not know that we have two eyes if we could not close one of them.  (I just came up with that, too)

Actually, I do not see my body when I am in the astral world.  I see other bodies, I hear them talking to me and I talk with them.  So, you're right, I suppose.

I guess it is what you pay attention to the most.  And Stookie, I think 'chakras' are the energy 'junctions' in your body.  And the idea of us not having 360 degree sight is not right to some people.  You do not have color perception directed toward the rear of your head, but you do have a type of perception maybe caused by your energy body.

And that is what everybody is.  A spiritual being having an earthly existence.

[FadeEsdrasX]

    I have come to an interesting result.  The pair of eyes as they are always apparent. They become brighter when performing breathing exercises. Usually in meditations as well as after working out or training.

I too have theories on what this could possibly be.

For me personally it may be the higher self or some sort of deeper spiritual entity. 
Answers come with time and patience of course.

[CFTraveler]

I have had this "eye staring back at me" experience various times and it has always been in meditation, but not deep trance.  I do not think this is an 'archetypal' (symbolic) experience just because in my case this eye has been very anatomically accurate.  Because it's not fleeting like a hypnagogic hallucination I can take a 'good look' at it, and have come to the conclusion that it's some type of physical reflection in my eyes- because we humans (and some other animals like birds) have stereoscopic vision I think that a reflection of our eyes in out own eyelids would cause some sort of 'one eye' effect.
Heck, if it's some sort of developmental thing then hooray for us.

[AncientLokiRemains]

I think it's a result of your putting pressure on your eyes when you roll them up.  Doing that can make you see all sorts of things.  As a kid I used to press on my eyes until this black fog crept up and covered my whole vision. 

I don't know why I did that....

[369]

I think it's a result of your putting pressure on your eyes when you roll them up.  Doing that can make you see all sorts of things.  As a kid I used to press on my eyes until this black fog crept up and covered my whole vision. 

I don't know why I did that....

I use to do that too.

[galaxy_storm]

As a kid I used to press on my eyes until this black fog crept up and covered my whole vision. 

I don't know why I did that....

hehe, me too Also when I roll my eyes upwards really hard, I see two "eyes" too (I think its the visual nerves distorting and "tugging" at the retina)

everything is "real"

Fear too?

[AncientLokiRemains]

I always wanted to find out what my eyes looked like when I did that, but you know, looking into a mirror woulda done no good, lol, and I didn't feel right asking someone.

I use to do that too.

[greggkroodsma]

    I have come to an interesting result.  The pair of eyes as they are always apparent. They become brighter when performing breathing exercises. Usually in meditations as well as after working out or training.

I too have theories on what this could possibly be.

For me personally it may be the higher self or some sort of deeper spiritual entity. 
Answers come with time and patience of course.

The oxygen content in the brain causes the 'fire.'  The iris of your eye is nerves running directly into the brain, all the way through to the back of the brain where the color perception is. 
That deeper spiritual entity is you.
That higher self is the brain.

[CFTraveler]

The oxygen content in the brain causes the 'fire.'

Greg, could you describe this with more detail?  Pictures would be nice too.

[greggkroodsma]

Greg, could you describe this with more detail?  Pictures would be nice too.

This is very technical.  You can draw your own pictures.  In your brain you have something like 10 million billion nerve junctions down cables of nerves.  Each of these junctions, called 'Node of Ranvier,' is the exchange point of the electrons in the sodium ion and the potassium ion.  Each Node is like a light bulb.  When the ions exchange electrons, a negative voltage (MeV - microelectron voltage) is created and the collision of electrons creates photons, light. 

An incandescent light bulb contains a filament in a gas to amplify the brightness of the filament and to make it last for some time.  Have you ever done the experiment where you separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen in water and with the gases in tubes, you light a match and watch.  Under oxygen, the flame glows bright; with hydrogen, it's 'poof,' it blows the match out.

According to Dr. Bernard Jensen in his book on Iridology, the brain uses about 20% of the oxygen you breathe.  The Oxygen is used to amplify the light in each Node in your brain to create the pictures of thought.

Going further with it, during the day when you're awake, all of your body is continually sending impulses to the brain creating a body of negative electricity in a positive electric environment.  It's like putting the opposite ends of a magnet together, they push.  That's how your body is able to operate in the atmosphere.  It is why you are erect.  When you die, you lose the negative impulse.

When you go to sleep, the body signal to the brain is shut off by the 'Third Eye' which converts the 5-HTP to Melatonin. 

The brain is always active and when you sleep, the brain is more active.  What you are calling the 'Fourth Eye' may be your internal consciousness.  That is what 'sees' when you dream; it 'sees' the light bulbs going off in your brain.

[CFTraveler]

How about these pictures?   


I'm fine with using a Voltage drop on the neuronal gaps to explain the 'third eye flash', but I don't see how pointing your eyes up and causing pressure would make them all go off at once, and how the image would travel down the optic nerve to be seen as flash.  But see how it can be connected.

When you go to sleep, the body signal to the brain is shut off by the 'Third Eye' which converts the 5-HTP to Melatonin. 

Do you mean the pineal gland?

I get all this but not sure how it would make an eye reflection back to the visual cortex, unless it's a matter of the light reflecting off the inside of the eyelid in "such an angle" as to reflect the physical eye back into the visual cortex?

[greggkroodsma]

That first picture is not correct when it shows the 'Nodes of Ranvier' as a continuation of the axon between the sheaths.  The Nodes are tiny bulbs with channels between the sheathed axons for the ions of sodium to enter.  Just inside of each Myelin is the axon and the Juxtaparanode containing channels for the ions of potassium to enter.  The brain is covered by a layer of the spider looking neurons like the one at the top of your 2nd picture.  That is your grey matter.  The white matter is chords of myelinated axons.

The pineal gland contains a full map of the visual field of the eyes; that is why it is called the 'third eye.' 
Researchers also believe the pineal gland contains magnetic elements so you can stay oriented to the environment. 
I think the pineal gland also contains the map of the whole body and that is why when you amputate an arm or leg, you still feel that you have one.
The eye reflection is caused by the pulling and stretching of the nerves at the back of the eye when you cause your eye to move farther than it is supposed to and the flash is right at the back of your eye so it appears like they all are going off.  The field going dark when you raise your eyes is like you are putting a bend in the nerve cutting off the flow of impulses.  And the 'flash' is like arcing wires.

[CFTraveler]

That first picture is not correct when it shows the 'Nodes of Ranvier' as a continuation of the axon between the sheaths. 

I think they were going for the simplicity but I noticed that the drawing didn't really go with the explanation.

The Nodes are tiny bulbs with channels between the sheathed axons for the ions of sodium to enter.  Just inside of each Myelin is the axon and the Juxtaparanode containing channels for the ions of potassium to enter.  The brain is covered by a layer of the spider looking neurons like the one at the top of your 2nd picture.  That is your grey matter.  The white matter is chords of myelinated axons.

Okie dokie.

The pineal gland contains a full map of the visual field of the eyes; that is why it is called the 'third eye.' 
Researchers also believe the pineal gland contains magnetic elements so you can stay oriented to the environment. 
I think the pineal gland also contains the map of the whole body and that is why when you amputate an arm or leg, you still feel that you have one.

Interesting.  I also had read that it had photoreceptors, besides the other receptive mechanisms.  I've often wondered if it reacts to other types of radiation like gamma rays and such?

The eye reflection is caused by the pulling and stretching of the nerves at the back of the eye when you cause your eye to move farther than it is supposed to and the flash is right at the back of your eye so it appears like they all are going off.  The field going dark when you raise your eyes is like you are putting a bend in the nerve cutting off the flow of impulses.  And the 'flash' is like arcing wires.

That makes complete sense.  Thanks for this explanation.

[Magickist]

I'm bringing this topic back. I want to find a metaphysical answer to this question. I think there may be a possibility that there is another person inside of us who see "the eyes". Any other opinions?