I believe there might be a symbolic meaning to "demons" In the 2012 theory. When people think of "demons" they often forget that there are 2 kinds of demons.
1)Spirit Demons, or humans who have turned thier souls demonic.
2)The demons within ourselves who we will have to fight and conquer.
That being said if it's the demons in #2 then humankind will, as a whole, have to conquer the demons inside the collective human consciousness, and thus will have to train in working together.
Regardless of which is right or if a combination of both is, I will continue to train mind, body, soul and teamwork the way I usaully do by helping where I can and doing my Qigong and Astral projection training, because I do feel there is a change coming though I don't know what it is as of yet.
okay thats cool our beliefs differ
buts thats cool...
See we can all live in harmony I believe in demons as in big freaky thing with claws and teeth
also lets try to stay away from people saying demons are nice, kay...
not trying to stiffle people but it will cause a really big conflict and thats not what I want...
from what I can gather a demon CAN actually go from another plane to this one if it is strong enough. Again, not sure of that as I have never seen it happen.
Well Ryoko it depends. Demons of different religions and myths can be good or evil just like humans, it is how they were viewed. The japanesse demon or youkai was said to be both, but if you are talking about hell spawn then yeah, totally evil and twisted.
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Originally posted by Van-Stolin
Well Ryoko it depends. Demons of different religions and myths can be good or evil just like humans, it is how they were viewed. The japanesse demon or youkai was said to be both, but if you are talking about hell spawn then yeah, totally evil and twisted.
That brings up this question: How do you define a demon?[xx(]
what about gods who display demonic behavior such as a penchant for genocide and torture. The gods Jehovah, Moloch, Kali and other beings classified as gods fit the bill for demonic behavior.
For me if something enjoys killing for no reason other than teh fun of it then it is a demon no matter how many of its followers say otherwise and no matter how "holy" or visually appealing it is.
I'd rather deal with an ugly demon that was kind to children rather than a "holy god" who enjoyed slaughtering children. The former I can reason with the Latter needs its A*S kicked.
Xander
I think Xander just classified a demon pretty well.
Oh something I forgot to say, demon is only a loose translation of youkai. A more fitting translation would be spirit and that is why they were viewed as good and evil.
I would have to say though that if it did happen, I would probably be someplace that had a large bunker, don't know where. Stock it with enough food for about a year and only me, my friends and whoever else wants to be in there that can fit will be. Then once a week or so go and look for food and kill any demons passing by, maybe we would get over looked and then they will just leave when they think everyone is dead.
THE LAST 2012 THREAD!!! KEEP IT IN HERE ONLY
THIS IS FOR CALM DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAINING STRATAGIES AND PLANS FOR 2012
You cant demand that all 2012 talk be put in here then restrict the kind of 2012 talk.
Beavis makes a good point. At times, not unlike society itself, threads are and can be uncontrollable and unpredictable. Kind of hard to put a leash on the chaotic, wouldnt you say?
2012...plans...are we paranoid?
The only plan I have at this time, is surviving whatever events befall us all, and on my birthday I shall meditate until the equinox on the 21st. Perhaps somewhere aligned with strong energies.
No strategies are needed, just peaceful mindset for an "unpredictable" event.
Coming from a dbz freak..
ahem......DBZ is NOT real!!!!!
Now that i've got your attention I would like to say that one day I was watching TLC and they had a show about chi. A practitioneer who had been practicing everyday for 30 years was able to set a ball of crumpled paper on fire. As far as I could tell there was no trickery.
It has to do with mind and energy not so much with body. I would say that in any crisis one needs a calm mind that can think in a crisis, one needs to be in control of thoughts and emotions.
As far as DBZ goes, I don't care how much power they hgave, anyone who walks around with their fists clenched and grimacing like they have a bad case of constipation can keep it.
Xander
P.S. the DBZ characters would tinkle their pants if Buffy the Vampire Slayer got a hold of them.
XANDER..... can't you be peacefull for more than 5 seconds....
You have made only 2 post but in those post you have managed to single out a group of people and insult, them I quote
((<"As far as DBZ goes, I don't care how much power they hgave, anyone who walks around with their fists clenched and grimacing like they have a bad case of constipation can keep it.
Xander
P.S. the DBZ characters would tinkle their pants if Buffy the Vampire Slayer got a hold of them"))>
Can't you be civil, or is that not an option for you; what did these people do to you. I don't see them coming up here to burn you, yet you gladly set them ablaze. If you are going to countinue down this path please do it elsewhere, I want this to be a peacful board with no name calling or bashing so please be nice or just leave everyone alone.....
Theres bound to be afew a** holes, so I wouldnt expect everyone to be nice.
But anyways, as far as the war on 2012 goes I am not sure whats going to happen.
There may be Demons, as in actuall creatures trying to enslave humans, or perhaps it could be Humans.. its all a matter of how one takes it.
I wont be in a Bunker, and I wont be hiding. I personally would rather face a threat head on then try and run or hide from it. I am starting to practice projecting, and some body energy techniques, but only for my own gain. Not to destroy demons. I am sure as I gain more expierence and knowledge in these areas that I would be able to destroy a evil spirit, or atleast protect my self.
I think that we all need to stray away from these negative thoughts on Demons and the end of the world, we need to come togather as a whole befor we can expect to fight a war against demons. So lets keep training, but also try and concentrate on bettering our selfes and the world around us for now.
-Aries
Good point
non one is an ---hole though some people are ignorant to peace.
also even if the war never comes I will keep training because I want to perfect myself and I am far from it right now.
How come you keep trying to flatter yourself Ryoku? We all know you're not perfect, and we all know you'll be "training". You're beating a dead horse buddy...
Personally in 2012, i doubt anything is going to happen. There'll just be a great shift in conciousness, and all this demon and apocalypti buisness won't happen. That's just my take on it, i tend to keep things more on the sensible side...
~ivan
I hope people aren't basing the future on anime (And I'm not just talking about DBZ here which in no way is an insult, otherwise it would be to myself for I am one of the saddest DBZ freaks around), because although enjoyable to watch and even when pertaining to realistic subjects, it is still only images of fantasy and imagination.
I'm also not about to expect demons or the end of the world to reign supreme during 2012 or beyond either.
In all honesty, this thread in itself seems almost...I dunno, without merit, as it seems to concentrate(And you can correct me if Im wrong) on surviving something that might not even occur.
Training is wonderful, being prepared is wise, but expecting the worst is basically setting your mind up for;
1)A possible gigantic let down
2)A fantasy dominating your surface perceptions
3)Your own forced hand in your beliefs
4)Isolationism
5)Social alientation
6)Dominating emotions stemming from the topic fantasy
7)Narcissistic disorders engaged through fantasies revolving around your own part being played in the belief
I in no way think people should be acting one way or another, but filling your mind with demons and other negative aspects such as Aries pointed out, only instigates behavior that can at times seem almost compulsive, delusional and paranoid.
Neither am I stating that none of this will happen, far be it from me to tell everyone the future, but when your looking at aspects such as these, it is possible to lose yourself in what is real and what is only a wish and a dream.
You know... this is really annoying. I've never watched DBZ as you kiddies keep refering to nor do I see what it has to do with 2012. A lot of celestial events have this sort of end of the world stigma. I also don't understand why everyone seems to be so critical of this 2012 proposed event.
Just leave the f@*##!! thread alone if you think it's stupid.
You don't need to be a genius to see that with the next decade something major seems to be brewing. Wake up sheep.
The major point here is that not a single person on this forum can prove these 2012 threads wrong or right. There is NO POINT in debating this. The people that choose to believe that it will occur have that right. They also have the right to share communications in peace. If there can be Planet X and Mars Attacks posts on the board this can exist as well.
So to people agaisn't 2012 prophecies, go make a topic called "PEOPLE THAT WASTE THEIR TIME TRYING TO DEBUNK NON-PROVEABLE BELEIFS".
I wonder why this desire for apocalypse? Do you get off on thinking you will be some hero in this, like the myths of old? Do you desire your own destruction? Is it some twisted masochistic fantasy?
I remember 2000, all the xians I knew were counting down the minutes before cheeeeezus would beam them home. It never happened. For weeks afterward teh whole lot of them were depressed and cranky.
My what fits and temper tantrums there will be in 2013.
"WAAAAAHHHHHH! My demon war never happened! I wanted to fight demons! WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"[V] LOL![:D]
Xander
1Zenryoku, i'm curious. How do you train for this up coming war you speak of?
Hello Everyone,
Any positive discussion of the '2012 prediction' seems to be very much hidden in the mists of confusion caused by those who seek to debunk it, so in that state it is not going to be easy to have any kind of productive discussion by those who seek to impart any information, from whatever angle, regarding it since, at the very best, it makes it difficult for those interested to follow the discussion amongst a plethora of 'debunk it' posts – and attacks o negativity by those not interested is simply wasting the time of those who want to learn more about this of their own Free Will without pressure against them to discuss it like any other topic.
Let's look at what is clearly eident about the '2012 prediction'.....
There have always been been people of an 'Apocalyptic mind' who apply fundamentalist fervour, even narrow-minded fanaticism, to warn people against what they feel is the 'end of the world', a doomsday-scenario. Not the sort of people for happy company, or to have an open discussion with. I can fully understand why some people would wish to debunk the 2012 Mayan Calendar 'end-date' if they are sick and tired (as most of us are) of doomsday preachers. But 2012 is NOT like that. It is not an 'end of all' scenario, but simply a date calculated by the Mayans that is a repeat of similar end-dates that occurred in their calander – in other words it can be seen as an extrapolation of already charted events... and those 'events' were simply the end of a 'cycle'. The Mayans plotted the course of the planets and stars (a process we call Astrology, but which they knew far more about and much knowledge has been lost to modern Astrologers about this) and their movements were observed to come into certain very definite positions with relation to each other at key intervals in time; these then are the 'cycles' that the Mans compared against key major changes in the world. Moden scientific technology has now been abole, through its various branches of science, to mark those periods in the history-evidence of our planet... and these correlate closely with those various dates in the Mann calendar.
It is only in very recent years that we have had the technology adequate to even start to look into the evidence our planet can yield from the past to such a degree of accuracy in some fields. Astronomy is one such, and the use of the latest computers has enabled astronomers to 'roll back' the star and planet movements to any period of time (rather like running a video backwards and forwards to examine various sections). A team o archaeologists did this in conjunction with Astronomers and NASA a few years ago – specifically to examine the very great accuracy that was evident in the construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza (readers of this should ponder at this time, how the ancient Egyptians and the Mayans could have such accuracy that we are only now beginning to achieve with all our modern technology!). In particular, feeding data into the computer about the angle of 11 hidden shafts inside the Great Pyramid revealed truly startling facts once they had drawn the conclusion that these shafts may weel point to specific stars – and that is exactly what they were found to do !
When the star charts were rolled back to the time o the construction of the Great Pyramid, those shafts were found to point exactly to 11 key stars, among them signifroicantly those in the Sirian (Zeta) and Pleiadian star systems. 'Rolling' the star-charts forward again to see if this astounding correlation of pointing exactly to specific stars could occur again, they found that it did not occur as the years and centuries 'rolled' by orward again to our present time.......then suddenly, they found that correlation once more, on a specific date. And that date the found for the line-up of the Great Pyramid's 11 shats to those specific stars was.......23rd December, 2012. And that matches the Mayan Calendar 'end-date' for this Great Cycle we are now coming to the end of.
So, does this mean then that something is going to happen at that time? It certainly proves the Mayans (and the ancient Egyptians) knew something Modern Man doesn't know apart from a few who have access to information that the those in those early times in our recorded history who were clearly 'in the know'.
As you will be able to discover further I have written two introductory channelled articles in the Reptilian thread – and they will be commenting on that in detail....... also in a forthcoming post I shall be writing in the Fuzziwig's Reptilian thread regardingthe 'Ages of Man' and the Great Cycle, each 'period' of time (approximately 2,000 years) that put together make the half and full cycles of 13,000 and 26,000 years mark very dramatic changes in the way that Man perceived himself. The Age of Leo (The Lion), for example was the coming of the Sirians (also known as the Lion People) and the building of the pyramids; the Age of Pisces (the fishes) is the time when Jesus the 'Fisherman of souls' arrived and all that followed that event.
So, the 'date' itself does not signify that something apocalyptic is going to happen, much less with great drama, on that specified date. It is no more than the 'midnight' position on the clockface of time. But what it does mean, is that it is the ending of the old'day' and the start of another, and the dawn that it heralds will be more than a New Dawn, it will be a New Epoch for Mankind bercause it is the end not of a full cycle (of which there have been many) but the end o a Grand Cycle around the Great Central Sun of our galaxy.....after cycling for 230,000,000 years.
I am a channeler for the Pleiadians, and I can tell you – whether you choose to believe any of this or not is up to you, it is only for giving information – that there will be NO sudden and dramatic change on the day of 23rd December 2012 that wil be perceivable. You will wake up to just yet another day (although some of you will have remembered these words I tell you, and you will see subtle differences around you), but 'behind the scenes' the cosmos is preparing you for a transition into the next higher density from our 3-D world that will be the most dramatic change (over a period of years that will follow) in all the History Of Man as he has known it.
There seems to be much confusion (mainly caused by ill-informed prognosticators of doom and poor or even fraudulent 'channeling') regarding the connection between 2012 and the Pole Shift. I can tell you clealy from my guide, that these two events are not interdependendent, and are only connected by being in the same close time period. The Pole Shift has happened quite a number of times already at long regular intervals, ever since Nibiru (Planet X) first became caught by our sun and from then shared an orbit between our solar system and that of Sirius A – and its effects when it passes by the Earth at a distance of 14 million miles, is that as described in the story of Noah and the Flood (more accurately described in much greater detail by the earlier ancient texts, from which the Bible was later written but missing out many major details such as those described in the Epic of Gilgamesh).
Therefore, there is adequate information already available on these things – but it is clouded and obscured in confusion by such as debunkers who put up a smoke screen which often prevents open minded people from exploring with their own Free Will what is available to examine and discuss – information extant in ancient records or modern scientific investigations such as have been done and have produced several important books that show the clear scientific evidence for many of these things (one excellent book is "The Star Mirror", by a world renowned archaeologist giving much data --- this book and other similar recommended accurate ones are in the Astral Pulse Library, under <Book Recommendations by Mayatnik> and I would refer the reader to that list which was given to me by my guide and which I have also personally examined and found to be extremely accurate in all details, unlike many 'pulp' publications).
In conclusion then, there is nothing to fear. What will happen will happen, and if people wish to prepare for such eventualities with a positive mind then disaster will be minimized and survival vastly increased for the individual who is open minded to new knowledge. What IS scary, is the fact that we are, in these latter times of 'head in the ground' establishment-conditioned thinking, being harassed by those who seek to maintain the status quo of ignorance and who, often for their own comfort-zoone, wish to keep others from en-LIGHT-enment also as we move quickly ever closer to the time when this information will be literally vital for clear understanding of what will be happening when it occurs.
So please, for the sake of those who wish to prepare sensibly by discussion and to seek by common-sense evaluation further enlightenment, I ask members to have a positive attitude and not cloud the issue for others. This is a discussion forum, and I have here presented facts for discussion, even acknowledging why debunkers have their stance. Draw back the curtain of ignorance, and let the light come in as the debate continues towards the Pole Shift and 2012 beyond that. Because NOW is the time to meet new information, to examine it, and for each in their own way – of their own Free Will – to examine it in a constructive ongoing way.
Channeled With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
MAYATNIK - That was one of the most beautifully written, seemingly intelligent post's that I've read.
You make good points, but so did Lucifer when he corrupted 1/3 of all angels. You cannot tell me that there won't be a war around or at that time. The NWO is coming, the EU is rising, the technology for the BEAST is here, with one global order we all fall into the hands of a select few.
You speak to spirits, who knows what type of spirits. It doesn't matter. The powers that be want this thread to disappear. It is coming however. Can anyone else feel the war coming? Heh... doesn't matter. Let them laugh untill the waters turn to blood.
I CANT BELIEVE YOU WONT SHUT UP[/Apu voice]
Excellent post, Mayatnik. Excellent wording and precise construction. Well done.
STEEL HAWK,
I agree with you ! All those things that you say in your post there – and much more that you don't say – are all planned by the 'powers that be' in their relentless drive to world domination.
You say:
You cannot tell me that there won't be a war around or at that time
Let's get practical here. The notion some people have regarding 'spirituality' is to do with 'head in the clouds' – but that is not my definition of that word, and I am very much 'down to earth'. I am well aware that Bush wants World Order (to protect the people, he claims), and others are on the bandwagon also – such as puppy-dog Blair and the vast money –machine (whether it be the EU or the USA – they are all one, controlled by a small select few who have their finger in every government, and massive control of the US agenda behind the scenes). Bush is no more than a puppet in all of this, and simply serves their purpose.
You talk about Lucier, but the notion of that 'personage' along with the 'devil' is an invention of religion in order to sell immunity rom the <evil> that the Church preached about, a church that sold 'dispensations' to avoid 'Hell' for those who 'sinned' --- all those words were brought into the religious domain (and later into society itsel) to instill fear. Fear is what the rulers want in the people, in order to control them – and that's been the way of it for centuries. I only paint very broad brushstrokes here to illustrate, but the war on Iraq is a case in point where Fear was raised in the people due to the alleged "Weapons of Mass Destruction" – all that purely as a mandate from the people to invade Iraq. Over a million innocent Iraqis had already died (that is documented) due to disease and malnutrition etc as a result of 'sanctions'. Then from a great height Bush clinically dropped his bombs in the first gulf war and then the second. Not to beat about the Bush – but that man is a killer of innocent women and children. And where are the WMDs ater all that? Yes, they knew they were there originally, because the US and other for-profit mongers sold those WMDs including chemical technology for Saddam to control his people and make war on Iran. Clearly, if there can be invented an excuse for a war then Bush will find one. But, he will not want to attack certain terrorist countries that have WMDs, because there is money in it not to do. And that's what it all boils down to – money. The rich get fantastically rich, while the poor get poorer in our so-called 'caring' (and <Christian>) First World Society. We do not have to let them do these things. We have Free Will. But, people have been heavily conditioned by the New World Order seekers to think that their leaders are doing everything in their power for the well-being and saety of the people.
It is wrong to kill. The Bible (for those who are religious) says so.... And it is inhuman to do so, except in self defence for one's preservation if attacked. Common sense says it is not the answer to meet violence with violence. Common sense says that it is better to talk, to ind out what the problem is that another human being has. The War on Terrorism is really a war of suppression against those who have been abused and ignored in. The Terrorists call themselves Freedom Fighers and Resistance. That alone should ring an alarm bell that human voices are being ignored. Freedom from suppression and Resistance against massive killings in Palastine and Iraq are a primary 'causes' that the ordinary people in those parts are struggling for in their own small way because they don't have the massive destructive might of the World Powers that promote injustice while ostensibly claiming to uphold Christian and Deomocratic ideals for "God and his people". And they wonder why there is an Islamic Fundamentalist movement that supports Osama Bin Ladin. But they don't wonder why those people are upset. Dialogue is the way forward, but that is the last thing that those in World Power want, because all the dirty washing will come out in it and will be hung on the line for the world to see what their so-called leaders are realy like.
All this is not central to 2012 itsel, but it is part of what is being 'played out' now on Earth as different species across the galaxy help us to prepare for that time coming. How we deal with things is for our hearts to decide, and the choice made between Service to Sel or to Service to Others. I am firmly committed, my life dedicated to die if necessary, for Service to Others. Are you? Whatever a person's race, creed, colour or culture – Earthlings or Of-Planet species my message is LOVE. If we love one another, and care about each other then there will be no wars. Any leader who does not have love will not care for others. Any leader who thinks only of money interests as being the way to create harmony is prey to greed and corruption – and the continuance of such a regime promotes killing and war to achieve its aims. That is evident, and can be clearly seen in the state of the world today. Conditioning keeps the sheep in the pen of so-called Democracy, blinded to all outside their confines by the high walls of misinformation and fear-promoting 'protection'.
Be free of this, you can do it. Use your Free Will to say "No more!" to repression and inhumanity. For those of you who are religious, then sit down with siner and talk – as your Jesus did. Find out what troubles him, and heal his pain. This is a struggle between the forces of Darkness and Light. But, do not be deluded by religious teahchings that talk of a 'devil' you cannot touch – the 'devil' is an invention by those who would control you, and it is the leaders who keep you in the Dark that you should watch, and they are very tangible as they rely on your vote or at least your tacit acceptance of their hidden agenda. Darkness and Light are about Ignorance and en-LIGHT-enment, suppression against truth.
You say:
The powers that be want this thread to disappear.
The 'powers that be' do not want the world to know or speak of the truth. But if they were to suppress this thread from high up then they would revealtheir hand, so no – they won't do that. And, in fact, they have a very eicient 'machine' in place to deal with these sort of things – and that is the fear (that word yet again, which they love to instill in the mind!) of ordinary people with positions of 'responsibility' (as the person is conditioned to feel) towards the maintaining or 'order' in the establishment. So, look not on high or this things to manifest; look rather closer to home – to such as the site Administrator and those around him. At the end o the day, it is the Administrator who pulls the plug if traces o anarchy or 'disrespect' for government appear to rear their head, even in a so-called free country. So, clearly, it is a time now for individual conscience – to do what is really right, or to bow to conditioning. Each person knows deep down inside themselves, and must make their own choice because Free Will is for the whole of Humanity and if people care about each with love then they will allow a cry from the depths of oppression to be heard. There is no such thing as watered down free will: It either is or it isn't. You have ree Will, so use it to speak out against injustice and inhumanity as we prepare for a great change that is coming – or, if it is in your power and you are so iclined to close this thread, then do so and show yourself by that action.
I have intimate knowledge of how the 'secret government' – in my case, MI5 – operates. My sister's husband was 'taken out' quietly, there have been 5 shooting attemps on my life, two of them bringing me close to death. They don't use bullets; they use darts tipped with a substance that causes death that is apparently from 'natural causes'. And when they can't do that they assassinate the person's credibility, ruining them in their careers. How many times have you seen a person in public office dealt with by some smear campaign and they just disappear from public view, silenced – and even blackmailed to keep them quiet. I know !
Finally, my wife was killed in such a way as to look like an extremely rare illness. I can't give the details because I want to stay alive to talk about them in general, and their nasty little 'habits'. So, I leave them alone I they leave me alone. Otherwise I shall open the whole file on them, even from the other world, If necessary.
But please, dear people, do not get paranoid because that's what they want you to do. They will not close a thread, or silence an individual as long as they eel they have control. Let them play their little games. But speak out against all injustice that you find. The internet is the voice of freedom where you can be anonymous. And, at the end of the day, you are only speaking your mind. If that cannot be done, or you are in fear then that is exactly what is happening in some countries. You can let it carry on, or speak out. The choice is simple. It is no good feeling bad about the state of the world unless you are prepared to do something about it, because otherwise it will be playing into their hands.
The economy and with it the whole infrastructure are already teetering and in many places crumbling even now. When the Pole Shift comes society in the form of the Establishment will cease, because it cannot be sustained then and already has difficulty limping from day to day - insurance firms going to the wall more and more, major corporations collapsing and credit cards being manufactured solely to keep the 'money' (there isn't any really) flowing by making it all look good on paper at the end of 'trading' each night..... All those things are becoming manifest now in the last breaths of that lumbering 'machine' of the self-seeking Establishment. Really, all you have to do is to awaken to the facts, speak your mind with love in your heart. And all will be well, beause good will lead us forward through the Pole Shift and towards 2012. This is the end of an era, and the start of a New Epoch that will bring peace, love and harmony to last 2,000 years in the next Age Of Man as before him lies not just new horizons of hope but a whole new dimensioin !
God Bless and Take Care !
Edward Angelu,
(writing as MAYATNIK)
HOLY SH*T!! YOUR SMART MAYA! I am sorry for what ever losses you may have taken and wish the best for you. If what you say is true how come they don't get you through the internet. Just wondering I don't know if they can track you that way though. Also If a war comes then we will be prepared if not we will be in top physical shape. Some one ask how you train for this. well the answer is I work out every day and Meditate for 2hrs. and practice using my ki and moving it through my body and making it grow. I do this everyday.
I have been working very hard to make myself better for an apocalypse or just for me. so thats it.
I beleieve I was created to fight. I have the physical power and have and extremely strong urge to fight so maybe this 2012 thing could be my purpose for all my anger and willingness to kill for my loved ones and even people I don't know. If it doesn't happen then I will keep training lying in wait for my oppertunity to release myself.
would like to state that I also believe in an ascention of sorts. I believe that in 2012 the weak will die and the ones who live will gain an extrodinary power to fight these creatures/demons. So all the peoplwe that say we are to weak to fight that is how I explain how I will fight this power will be granted to those strong enough to survive the merger.
1zenryoku, I merged your posts, please in the future if you have a after thought, all you need to do is click on the edit button and add away! Thanks [^]
Haha, Maya, finally decided to post eh? [^] Been waiting for ya buddy, thanks for replying here...set things straight i believe.
Well well well, i know i'll be partying on the eve of the 2012 new year [;)], like all the other ones.
Rawk on,
~ivan
quote:
Originally posted by 1Zenryoku
I would like to state that I also believe in an ascention of sorts. I believe that in 2012 the weak will die and the ones who live will gain an extrodinary power to fight these creatures/demons. So all the peoplwe that say we are to weak to fight that is how I explain how I will fight this power will be granted to those strong enough to survive the merger.
While I don't necessarilly believe anything in this entire thread, therein lies the difference between Mayantik and yourself. Whether a person believes in what he says or not, at least he provided WHY he believes what he believes. He has provided reasons for his statements, and shows WHY he has formed his conclusions.
You have not. Despite all Mayatnik's well written post (even though I am not a believer in his cause), you still come right back with the same old dribble: "I believe that in 2012 the weak will die and the ones who live will gain an extrodinary power to fight these creatures/demons."
HOW?! Back this up with something. Mayatnik has backed up WHY he thinks that 2012 will not be a time of war but of transistion. You have not shown why you beleive that 2012 WILL be a time for a war, spiritually speaking or physically speaking.
Again, I am not supporting one person or another. I'm personally not caught up in this 2012 thing. However, I do recognize when people present a good argument to support their claims, and you have failed to do so.
Looking forward to your response to my questions.
1Zen doesnt have to explain why he feels the things he does. Maybe he just has a strong natural calling to this subject?
Why do you believe the things you believe? Because you do. Its that simple, people dont always need a reason or proof to believe in something. They have there own reasons, which are good enough for them, and thats all the really matters.
Mayatnik has provided his info, that is true. But maybe its just because he knows how to better word what he is feeling. Who are you to try and change ones feelings and beliefes?
It is possible for any of the things people have posted here to happen in 2012, but untill that time comes around people are left to there own beliefes.
People talk about the Government being evil and trying to control the masses, well those of you putting others down for there beliefes, or trying to change anothers beliefes are no better then the Government.
I say let people believe what they want, if its not the same as yours then so be it, if everyone was the same then there wouldnt be anything to talk about.
I say that we focus more on helping eatchother and the rest of the world, and focus less on trying to make others understand or believe what we believe in.
If there was a Demon war tommorow, or a Pole shift tommorow, or some sort of catastrophe, then how well do you really think the human race would fair?
Most of us dont even know our selves, so how can you argue with others about there beliefes.
Once again I say: We need to focus less on individual beliefes, but more on coming togather as a people, and knowing our selves.
-Aries
renryoku: EDIT BUTTON!
as for the mayan calanedar and the 2012 date: the calendar had to end at some point. and the end of an astrological cycle is as good a point as any. it doesn't mean something is going to happen on that day, it just means that some king/ruler decided that they didn't need to calculate dates beyond 2012. if they had calculated it to the next astrological cycle after that, then the people who would be living then would be wondering about it, same as we are now.
i mean, hell: if i were a ruler, and i could predict the future through the stars (which those who are believing in the demon war are saying the mayans could do), i wouldn't bother having the calendar go past the end of my reign (or if they were a more communcal culture, rather than a ruler-subject culture, i'd have the calendar end at the same time that the mayan society ended). an ending of a calendar is just an ending of a calendar, not of life as we know it.
steel hawk:
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You make good points, but so did Lucifer when he corrupted 1/3 of all angels. You cannot tell me that there won't be a war around or at that time. The NWO is coming, the EU is rising, the technology for the BEAST is here, with one global order we all fall into the hands of a select few.
You speak to spirits, who knows what type of spirits. It doesn't matter. The powers that be want this thread to disappear. It is coming however. Can anyone else feel the war coming? Heh... doesn't matter. Let them laugh untill the waters turn to blood.
you know, cult members recite exactly those kinds of things.
and mayatnik: "The 'powers that be' do not want the world to know or speak of the truth." i have to disagree with you on that; it is the majority of humans which keep themselves in the dark. which is why the few who want to can rise out of the darnkess and see the truth.
~kakkarot
Well i know i certainly will train. But training wont be my life. Any way I've got some moves that will probably leave more than a dent on a demon.
You know, I know everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but the constant harping on about various 'doomsday' scenarios really gets on my t**s, mainly because thats all Ive heard for the past 10 years+!!
First it was Nostradamus and July 1999, which everyone had 'good' evidence, whats more it was even 'backed up' from other non-related 'traditions',
then we had the millenium crap, even when it turned out that due to a re-arangement of the calender, the millenium had already passed sometime around 1996 our time!
I was hoping for some sanity after 2000 and a hope... just a single glimmer of hope, that maybe, just maybe, once people had went through all that without any of it happening, then they LEARN not to be obsessed with all these kinds of 'revelations'.
But no, now its '2012' and we have to endure another 8 years of this stuff. In the past i would have said that i was looking forward to 2013 when (of course) nothing will have happened, but I now know that by that time, excuses will have been given and attention will have been transfered to some all new great prophesy. Add to that a whole new generation eager for their own 'doomsday' prophesy to call their very own, (which is what this mayan one is actually), and the rest of us basically have no respite.
btw, I would just ask that some of you who are into this 2012 stuff might want to check out some of the fact (proper facts!) about this as I have read in some academic journals that this whole thing has come about through a complete mistranslation and distortion of the original texts which in reality mean nothing of the sort.
Hoevever, now that the story is out there, it has taken on a life of its own, promoted by money grabbing new age writers and credulous readers.
I am in no way saying that this is the case IMV, so dont hit me with complaints about this opinion. I don't know either way. I just want to point out to people that there is actually a controvesy about this whole issue and people who are interested might want to check out the facts and not just rely on 'mayan prophesy websites' or whatever.
Above all, I would just like to invite all readers to remember this post in 9 years time when they wake up on the 1st January 2013 and find that they have NOT been elevated to a higher vibrationary level or whatever the theory is.
Thank you.
Goodnight.
Douglas
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Originally posted by Aries
1Zen doesnt have to explain why he feels the things he does. Maybe he just has a strong natural calling to this subject?
That may be true. But don't you think a person should be able to explain why they believe what they believe? I mean, that way, they can know FOR THEMSELVES that they're not being led astray?
As an example, President Bush says that we have to go to war because Iraq has WMD's. Now everyone and their mother is DEMANDING proof of these claims. Why? Because when someone makes a claim like that, we like to know what information he had in order to issue that statement.
How is what 1Zenryoku says any different? Why is it so difficult to explain why you believe what you believe? We're not asking to be convincing. We're not even asking that it make sense to our feeble minds. But to not be able to explain why a person feels a certain way is very troubling, especially when the feelings deal with such an important thing as your own spiritual growth.
Another example: a lot of people say, "When I die, I'm going to heaven." When you ask
why they believe that, they can show you certain scriptures in the Bible to back up their BELIEF. It doesn't mean they're right or you're right....it just shows their reasoning behind their belief. This is what my original post was all about.
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Why do you believe the things you believe? Because you do. Its that simple, people dont always need a reason or proof to believe in something. They have there own reasons, which are good enough for them, and thats all the really matters.
You're missing the point, amigo. I believe what I believe because of certain experiences that have happened to me to shape my beliefs.
As an example, I believe that we survive after death because I have had many OBE's. Not only that, but I could describe my OBE's in vivid detail.
Does this mean that what I say is right, or true? No, but I can certainly explain WHY *I* think they are.
But to say, "This is what I believe" and then not be able to explain to others your own belief system, that's just silly! What is there to fear? Either you fear being ridiculed, or you simply CAN'T explain what you believe. And if you can't explain what you believe, then why believe in it in the first place?
See my point?
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Mayatnik has provided his info, that is true. But maybe its just because he knows how to better word what he is feeling.
This could be true.
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Who are you to try and change ones feelings and beliefes?
Perhaps you can show me exactly WHERE I tried to "change ones feelings and beliefes [sic]."
Asking
WHY a person believes in something as strongly as 1Zenryko is not changing anything about his beliefs, is it? If I asked you why you hate eating a certain vegetable, would you respond, "I just do, now quit trying to change me?"
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It is possible for any of the things people have posted here to happen in 2012, but untill that time comes around people are left to there own beliefes.
Yes....but again, a person should be ABLE to explain their beliefs. You're not on trial, dude. If your beliefs are that important to you, then it really doesn't matter to you what others think...like Mayatnik did with his explanation. I could care less, but he was able to explain why he believes what he believes.
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People talk about the Government being evil and trying to control the masses, well those of you putting others down for there beliefes, or trying to change anothers beliefes are no better then the Government.
::sigh:: This poor beaten horse.
If asking a person to explain his spiritual beliefs (something which should come EASY to almost anyone), if that's considered putting you down, then you have some serious perception issues.
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I say let people believe what they want, if its not the same as yours then so be it, if everyone was the same then there wouldnt be anything to talk about.
THAT'S MY POINT! We're TRYING to talk about these things....I am asking simple questions to discuss WHY a person believes what they believe! This is a discussion board!
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I say that we focus more on helping eatchother and the rest of the world, and focus less on trying to make others understand or believe what we believe in.
::Ring ring:: Here, it's for you. It's Earth calling Aries.
How can we help each other if we can understand each other? I'm trying to understand where this guy is coming from. In order to understand him, I would like to know why he thinks the way he does. In order to think a certain way, you must have formulated your opinions based on certain things. This is what I am trying to get down to.
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If there was a Demon war tommorow, or a Pole shift tommorow, or some sort of catastrophe, then how well do you really think the human race would fair?
That remains to be seen.
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Most of us dont even know our selves, so how can you argue with others about there beliefes.
Is anyone else dizzy from running around in so many circles?
I'm not arguing with anyone's beliefs.
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Once again I say: We need to focus less on individual beliefes, but more on coming togather as a people, and knowing our selves.
-Aries
My head hurts now.
Lol
Well all I can really say is that, just because we can explain our actions and beliefes doesnt mean others can.
Theres lots of things that I believe in that I cant explain...
( dont know of an example now, but I am sure one will come! )
However, he should be able to explain his reasoning for this, perhaps he chooses not to at the risk of looking stupid, or maybe he doesnt have any reasons for believing these things.
Gandalf didnt you post that in another thread also?
-Aries
The better the student, the better the teacher.
A wonderful expample of cycles is right here in this forum. People start, expand on, conclude, reitterate, start again, expand and so forth.
The belief of many have never outweighed the belief of the few, or the one.
I find myself wondering about time.
Not about fate, or maya, or people who believe themselves holier than art thou, or cycles, or ridges of events, or even good and evil, just about time.
I see it in its thick unsubstantial form and wonder if I could float upon it without movement.
I search through the crests and tides that break and attempt to see the different points in time. In one of those points I see people communicating in ways never thought of or imagined in the past. The people talk to each other about the future, they talk of planning and strategies, their beliefs and their paranoia's. They talk of comforting things and humorous light hearted subjects to keep the topic fresh. Yet throughout all the discussions the people just seemingly only glance around the environments they are in, seperated from the people they talk to by hundreds, perhaps thousands of miles. In their environments they see only what they have been seeing. They feel only what they have been feeling and attempting to understand what they want to understand.
They look around. They still feel, yes, they are still human beings.
Whats the difference of agony when desire for knowledge of the futures outcome accompanies mental and emotional confusion of the present.
I can tell you, only because I seem to succumb to anguish between what I want to happen, what has been forseen to happen, what will probably happen, and what I could create.
There is no difference...the agony will always come in so many forms and ways that it is at times difficult to realize what being human really is.
I suppose we can learn from each other, we can form bonds through belief. Yet, in the end, we are all alone, no matter what comforting things can be said or myths told. The maya were just that...the illusion.
that doesnt mean thouh that they did not exist, and that they're an unrelevant civilization. It means their society has the ability to teach the present civilization enough to gain some spiritual composure, but we weep for ourselves as we continue to climb this ladder.
there is nobody that has the ability to comfort me because I believe to find the pain to be rewarding.
The lachrymose child awaits the learning parent, for the birthed give to the born a gift of patience.
god i think im going mad
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Originally posted by Aileron
god i think im going mad
Can I second that motion? [:D]
For all those who question me.....
You wanna know why I believe what I believe well its called
BLIND FAITH!! I believe that I was given my strength for a reason that has yet to present itself to me, I also would like to point out that Maya gave all the reasons for there to be a "change " in 2012.
We all on this site have special gifts whether Projection or telepathy or just stong ki. Mine is ki. After being in martial arts for 10 years I have learned to better master and expand my ki.
But I have done so at a very rapid pace. Why do I have this gift to build ki so quickly???? maybe it has a puprose.I honestly believe the people that Originally wrote about 2012. People that have gone to the astral and seen demons themselves. I trust people, not like the rest of you synical people. I don't KNOW there will be a war in 2012 but I can feel something big coming on Its just a feeling though. Its like religion. No one person has actual proof that God exsist. No one has seen him. All the religious beliefs and miracles could just be a random coincedence. But you believe, why because something in you heart, somthing in your soul, tells you there is something more. No one has to show you poof of your God because you know he is there watching over you. It is written in the bible about a battle between the Angels and Demons. What if the angels were just Very courages people blessed with GIFTS Like ours.
Maybe there will be another batlle. I have no proof, just a feeling.
I train to better myself I don't know why I wnat to be better maybe it was built into me. But I do it out of instinct. My mind has been totured with the thought that maybe I don't have a purpose maybe I am just wierd. Let me ask you all something though. Why do you have your gifts??? Maybe you had an OBE the first time you tried. But why were these gifts bestowed apon you. Why do you try and hone them to perfection. I am pretty sure you are not looking for fame and fortune. Honestly I want a battle so maybe I have deluded myself to believe there will finally be a place for me. But maybe there won't. Maybe down the road my gifts could save someones life. I don't really know. All I do know is the most powerful desire I have in my soul is to become stronger And to fight. Why do I want to fight?? Maybe you could help me?? Maybe I am a lost cause. Will you question your God for creating you in this way.
Maybe We ar the next Archangels. I would give my life peotecting a stranger. But why would I do this. Can you tell me.. I know that manny paople would be upset And a few people I know Would get put in A insane asylum if I died yet I have this intese desire to die defending someone. Please don't say it is human nature FOR YOU KNOW NOTHING OF MY NATURE!! MY THOUGHTS WOULD MAKE MOST PEOPLE CRINDGE IN FEAR AND DISGUST. I Don't know what else to say except I believe and if you don't I am fine with that. If 2012 never happens I will still search for my purpose. I am sorry if I have offended anyones beliefs or Ideas in this passage. But maybe Just maybe By 2012 I will have a better undersatnding of why I am here.
Thank you.
Time is a intresting concept.. Iv thought long and hard about it, and came to this conclusion.
It is nothing more then a tool. It is just a measurment system in which we (humans) gauge the time that we spend here on Earth. Time is relative, that has been proven. I heard once that when NASA was doing zero-g testing, where they fly planes really high then let them fall, as to simulate zero-g, well anyways in one of these tests they had two planes that fell at the same time. There clocks were in sync, and when they landed one of the clocks was 1min15secs faster then the other one.
I also have afew other examples to back that theory up but it might take awhile to write them out..
Sorry I know this is alittle off topic, but the insane man that posted above sparked me to write this.
-Aries
ps: I 3rd the motion, he is insane. [:D]
gifts? i don't find them to be gifts at all, since i've built each of my abilities from the ground up, with no teacher, through practice, training, and learning. they were not gifts, and for me to think of them as such would mean i would have a gift for nearly all things supernatural. as far as i am concerned, they are skills. (of course, this doesn't mean that some people are given certain gifts, but those are rare instances compared to the number of people who learn these things as skills)
ki use is actually one of the more easy things to learn, i find. and is very easy to learn quickly if you learn to understand it (especially with ten years training in the martial arts). in fact, i had that very same attitude during parts of my ki training: arrogant and proud of myself because i thought i was so great with such a small thing (because, at the time, i didn't understand how much is out there so i thought my little thing was very great indeed). i find it interesting that i was also willing to blindly believe many things which were "based" in very shifty ground. hm, something about the singleminded focus i guess.
"Maybe there will be another batlle. I have no proof, just a feeling." believe me when i say that you will have MANY feelings in your life, and most of them will be very confusing, and at times you'll likely try to assign a meaning to them just to rid yourself of the confusion. but, who knows? maybe i'm wrong. after all, you aren't me ^_^
however, let me point out one thing before i'm done here: cults use blind faith in order to get people to perform extreme actions without any proof that any of it is real. Hitler made up a story about an arian (sp?) super race and got the masses to believe it even though there was no proof of it, and committed many attrocities based upon that faith in it. so please remember, blind faith isn't neccessarily a bad thing, but performing extreme actions because of it can be.
~kakkarot
If societys structures do crumble, be it war, pole shift, or transition into 4th density, perhaps we should focus our "training" towards survival. By this I mean, learning how to really 'go bush' and survive without the everyday comforts that we all take for granted. Learn how to build shelter, find food, and use natural medicine and healing and couple this with your metaphysical and psychic abilities.
These are all valuable skills to have in any situation, so should these possibilities not come to pass, you'll still be better for it.
1Zenryoku or kakkarot, could you suggest a good website about ki for a beginner like me to get started. . [8)]
SPIRAL,
Excellent balanced thinking there in your post! It is indeed wise to look at situations (whatever they may be) that you encounter on your journey in this life, rather than avoiding – to know more is to be better prepared for all eventualities. And in the case of these things under discussion here – the Pole Shift and 2012 – there is much confusion, due to many Websites and 'gossip' that has become seen as 'facts' when they are not. As a starting point then, I recommend two sites that are well established and are excellent resources for information.
It is not a question of 'belief' in what one reads, or of 'evidence' – both those terms are heavily coloured in modern society, adding to the confusion on top of pre-conditioning. So, let us be clear here – a Belief is normally associated with <blind acceptance> from someone who has told you something (and often tells you that you should believe it – the first hint that something is wrong, because that takes away your Free Will; YOU should always decide yourself, without pressure – and 'religious beliefs' especially are pressure to conform to what a Church or Cult leader says is 'true'.
So, people should examine what is presented before them, and use common sense and also 'intuition' to guide them. Only if something feels 'comfortable' in the light of how you 'feel' as you read more and more, should you then say "I believe this to be true" of whatever it is. Evaluating what you see in this way is a sure way forward. The word 'evidence' is accepted as synonymous with 'proof' – and in modern society proof is what is examined and 'tested' to destruction virtually... whether it be in a courtroom or the laboratory. The ancient civilizations that were actually more advanced in so many ways did not use this approach. Along with their 'physical' science thinking they took into account their 'intuition' (to put it very simply here) and were able to see far more than the narrow-vision of scientific investigators nowadays. In fact, the word 'evidence' comes from the root VID (as in vidare=to see ... and from which we also get the word VISion) so 'evidence' = 'that which one can see' as being true (after using a positive common-sense approach to evaluate... and thus it is an inner 'seeing' (by the 'third-eye' which is an extra sense to guide us). The 'critical analysis' approach of modern science and the 'debunking' (or negative approach) will NOT help attain inner-vision, and will also allow the colouration of what is seen presented. So, that having been said, I give the links below (with a few comments about them) for the reader to investigate in a positive manner to shed further light on the topic of the Pole Shift and 2012 (learning about the first will help understanding about the second).
ZETA TALK LINKS
(these are from the Official Zeta Website www.zetatalk.com which has been in existence since 1995 and is continuously updated – a very detailed resource)
Government
(information summary page containing many links to articles under subject headings on all aspects of what the government is doing in all of this)
http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g00.htm
Safe Location
(again, a summary page giving many links to articles about this topic – and covering all associated topics to help the person prepare for eventualities)
http://www.zetatalk.com/safelocs.htm
Aftertime
(same format as usual, and here many links again to how best to deal with the Pole Shift and afterwards; what to expect, what will happen, and how to deal with situations, what Service to Self will be doing and what Service to Others will be doing in setting up their own separate happy communities.... These are just a few of the many topics on that page)
http://www.zetatalk.com/Xtime/x00.htm
Orientation
(meaning Service to Self (STS) and Service to Others (STO) – what it is really all about, explained to clarify for the reader)
http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o00.htm
Density
(This is a very comprehensive section – with a summary page giving links to a gret number of topics that explain all abut Density (3D, 4D etc) and how the Higher Beings (discussed here from the aspect of the Zeta mainly, but applying in general) travel between the dimensions, what can be done and many things that will clarify the confused notions people have gained through such as New Age books about Density, the etheric and all the other aspects). An excellent resource)
http://www.zetatalk.com/density/d00.htm
There are a plethora of articles in other sections of the Zeta Talk website – so well worth exploring. Try not to have Narrow Vision as you examine many things that will be new to you, and you will then be able to see it in its true light without colouration or pre-conditioning. Just read and absorb to digest the information. Then those things can be shared with others by discussion, which further broadens perception for all.
OTHER ASSOCIATED RESOURCE LINKS
With specific regard to Spiral's mention of practical preparation that never goes amiss (I have bought special 'survival' camping gear, for example, and it has opened out to me new exciting horizons since I had never thought of going camping before and have learned things about it that make me now very enthusiastic to learn more and experience the 'great outdoors'). So, below is a link to a very practical website that is independently run (and very well presented – since the person is a specialist programmer). As well as sections on what to buy and where to look for it, there are sections about the Pole Shift (some nice Astronomical data and photos also to complement those that can also be found on the Zeta website) from an unbiased viewpoint with news about other good resources. In a nutshell, everything practically to Be Prepared.
POLE SHIRT PREPARE (independent) Website
http://www.poleshiftprepare.com
All the above links will help give a better balanced perspective.
For general channelled (and other information) of a very reliable and high quality you can find a goldmine of thousands articles on every aspect of 2012 and associated topoics, also including The Indigo Children, The Sirians, the Dogon tribe of Africa and many other facets that give a full backround to testify that we are not alone, and revealing also from archaelogists and free-thinkinng scientists many things that have been suppressed by the 'powers that be' who try to prevent such serious research information reaching the general public (which is why the site is safely located in the Netherlands, where free speech is prized).
GIBBON's CHANNELING RESEARCH SITE
http://jump.to/gibbon
I hope the above will help to shed more light on the subject and therefore be a good background to productive discussion on the forum.
With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
I still say he's smart...
Creepy smart....
Oh yeah MAYA how do you pronounce your name Maya T nick or what
and phonetically
oh and I have done the whole ruffing it thing try spending 2.5 weeks in the Blu ridge mountains with ony A Knife a lighter and a pot.
That was fun. Anyway I get to believe what I want so thank you all for hearing me out.
1ZenRyoku,
Interesting name you have there.
You ask about my name, and you split it up as MAYA T nick. Well, for a start, it's not a reference to 'old nick' – and in fact, the word is in two parts: MAYA – TNIK (with the stress on the YAT syllable).
Because I am Russian by origin (though born and raised as English in the UK) I chose MAYATNIK as my pen-name for channeling and teaching Telepathy and the Pendulum. And the name was appropriate, because Mayatnik is the Russian word for 'Pendulum'. In case you're wondering about the 'Maya' part, that is what friends and acquaintances often shorten it to. The ending –tnik is a Russian ending that you will find on other words, such as 'Sputnik'. Sputnik is commonly taken by non-Russians as meaning a 'satellite' that orbits the Earth. But the Russian word means a 'satellite' in the sense of a 'sidekick' – someone who goes around with you (which is what the satellites orbiting the Earth do, they go around in its company all the time).
For those who may have thought that my shortened name, MAYA is some subtle reference to the Mayans....well, it wasn't any such subtlety of mine. However, the way Russian is constructed the word MAYATNIK actually means (in its fullest sense) "A Mayan" (Maya-) "instrument / tool" (-tnik). The word 'Pendulum' that we have in English is derived from the New Latin, from 'Pendulus', and is seen in such as French 'pendule' and in 'pendant' (='that which hangs down'). So, interestingly, it can be observed that the Russian word for it (although having the translation and modern meaning of 'pendulum' actually reflects more precisely its true origin - so the Russians must have known from ancient texts about this; Russia is also tied in its cultural origins with the Middle East (Egypt in particular, from where the traders used to go to Moscow and the famous 'Arbat' market there - Arbat is an Arabic word in origin.). So, there is much history can be gleaned from small 'clues'.
The Pendulum was used by the Mayan civilization, as well as by the Egyptian. The Egyptians used it to build the Pyramids with the great precision that can not even be matched today – and it was a tool of the stonemasons of that time for not only accurate measurement but also for <communication> with the 'gods' (their guides, really) when they needed to have information about the construction details, and also for general divination.
So, there you have it. There's a lot more to that name than you thought – and now you know a little bit more about the Pendulum too.
Wiith Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
Hello everyone
Its an interesting thread indeed. I thought i would like to make some comments.
1Zenryoku, you mention that Mayatnik is creepy smart. What do you associate with being creepy smart ? Mayatnik is as we know a Channeler relaying information from the Pleiadians. Information that may seem overwhelming to some, and maybe even seem creepy in it being unknown. What it does is to leave room for discussion and further questions to gain an understanding in these unknown things. The links that he has provided allows for exploration in these unknown things, and allows for members to evaluate and even get other views on the same subject they are exploring in this very forum from other members, but also through the channeling threads in the Communications section.
I myself am a channeler, having been trained, and I am currently channeling in my own thread in the Communications section of this Prophecy and Divination forum (Edi has a similar channeling thread). In my channeling thread i relay information through my Pleiadian guide from the Reptilians who may to some seem creepy, because they are surrounded by mystery and the unknown. What they do is to give us a chance to learn about them, discuss the information they provide and pose further questions to them, to gain an understanding in unknown things regarding them and in general. Such is it also with the channeling thread with the Zetas as relayed through Edi and his Pleiadian guide. The Zeta give the same chance for trying out ideas and evaluating the information with common sense instead of demanding blind faith.
To conclude this, I being a channeler talk to the Reptilians every day and I dont find that creepy, nor do Mayatnik or Edi. Its by learning, that the unknown becomes known, the creepy becomes natural. Learning can be difficult, but it makes sense that for all of us to learn in the best way, we must comment on things we know of. To help the fellow member in his/her development, and not put up roadblocks in your fellow members path. The roadblocks they will set up for themselves, and so they dont need others on top of that to set them. A saying I use goes like this : Dont limit yourself, there are plenty out there who will do that for you. So keep an open mind and learn from life.
Light and Compassion
Fuzziwig
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Originally posted by 1Zenryoku
I still say he's smart...
Creepy smart....
Oh yeah MAYA how do you pronounce your name Maya T nick or what
and phonetically
oh and I have done the whole ruffing it thing try spending 2.5 weeks in the Blu ridge mountains with ony A Knife a lighter and a pot.
That was fun. Anyway I get to believe what I want so thank you all for hearing me out.
I would like to hear more of this experience 1Zenryoku. What did you eat for two and a half weeks? How about water? Did you make your own shelter? What season was this? Were you alone? How old were you? Did you have any visions? As a child I lived very close to the Sandia Mountains (New Mexico) and my father was quite the hunter and loved to take us. I spent many days in the mountains and can't imagine being out there alone.
As for Maya..hehehehe..he isn't creepy. Now if I could only find a girlfriend for him! [:P] Just a joke Maya..or is it?. [;)]
Nay.
Hi Nay !
That's a brilliant idea of yours, to ask to know more about 1ZenRyoku's survival adventure. We could all learn much from his considerable – and very 'hands on' – experience. I've got the <SAS Survival Guide> which is excellent, as it gives details and diagrams of all sorts of survival techniques... both there's nothing that can beat the telling of the experiences of someone who's'been there' and done it. So, come on 1ZenRyoku – tell Nay all about it... and we can all sit back and learn some useful tips. It's not off-topic as Spiral has pointed out, and fits in well here.
Nay, you say:
As for Maya..hehehehe..he isn't creepy. Now if I could only find a girlfriend for him! Just a joke Maya..or is it?.
Thanks for the testimonial... yes, you know what I'm like. We have some laughs together on Messenger, and we talk about all sorts of subjects, certainly nothing creepy about me.
As for a girlfriend (since you hint at it, Nay)...... Well, yes, I may as well admit – since you've gone public on this.... I am looking for that Lady who will be very Special to me. I am gentle, caring, romantic, good sense of humour and.............oh, Nay knows me – so if there's any female out there that would like to talk for us to get to know each other better, they can get assurance from Matchmaker Nay – or contact me direct. But this week I'm up to my eyes in packing cases 'cause I'm moving house. I've bought a lovely house on the edge of the beautiful Yorkshire countryside but close enough to town and all amenities and rail-links to all points in the United Kingdom. Northern Lass preferred, because they can 'speak from the heart'- but any area, and Ukrainian, French or Spanish as well as Engish (only ONE will be picked) I just mention the 'range' of preferences). I've said enough, but you've got me into this now Nay – so I had to reply.
With Love and Light,
Edward Angelu (MAYATNIK
I think he meant creepy smart because of his incredibly long winded posts...
-Aries
Opposed to your incredibly short winded ones? [^] Sorry couldn't resist that...like I couldn't resist teasing Maya about a girlfriend.
Didn't mean to get off topic and turn this into a 1-800-dial-a-mate [:P] I will be interested in seeing how many bites you get tho, Maya.[:D]
Nay
NAY - I'll not be online much for a couple of weeks, due to moving house..... so all enquires can go through you anyway, and you'll be able to keep track [8D]
ARIES - [:P]
1ZenRyoku - Now those intrepid adventures of yours just cannot be a short post, so probably Aries will miss them too. *sits back and waits for part one of forthcoming serial* [:)]
Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
Survival Adventure 2004 - 2011
2004 -2005
Work....eat a bit
2005 -2006
Begin to truly write and create an epitome of nuance and flavor, hopefully inspiring some madness and free flowing epiphanies.
2006 -2007
write...more martial arts training, speculative theory based programs revolving around free thought, free will, free choice.
2007 -2008
Perhaps marriage and a child?
2008 -2009
Rigorous wellness activities and wilderness survival. Find peyote blessed by a medicine man and get lost in the desert.
2009 -2010
Street lectures
2010 -2011
plan trip to any one of these places containing high energy fulcrums: Tibet/Nepal, Korea, Middle East, Japan, Alaska, etc
2011 -2012
Prepare for potential anything by fasting and producing anything from minimilistic thought, to the thousand things cycle of thought process
Dec 1st 2012
begin meditation for twenty days. No human contact, no physical abuse, emotional abuse, nor mental abuse.
21st 2012, December.........*
this is a minimal agenda, not really thought out except for the final two years. Not to be taken too seriously...unless Im me. agh
Then can I laugh?...don't want to offend. [:P]
I forgot about this thread..come on 1Zenryoku, you started this..tell us of your 2.5 weeks in the woods!!!!! Not very fair to continue to dangle a carrot in front of us..[;)]
Nay.
Theres nothing wrong with long or short posts. Good luck in moving... I recently had to move also.. man I hate moving [:D]
Yea 1zen tell us about your venture into the woods.. Longest I ever went by my self in the woods was like... half a day [:D]
-Aries
Did not feel like writting every thing so ask away
Thanks for the description. I will just ask the first things that popped in my head as I read your account:
1) You said the squirrel was eating the leftover snake from the night before. I didn't think squirrels ate meat. At least, not when they have a plethora of nuts and other assorted munchies in the woods. Strange.
2) You mentioned on day 7 that you got the beans....but then on day 10, you say that you found a problem that you couldn't open the beans. Wouldn't you have realized this 5 minutes after you had them that you didn't have a can opener? And wouldn't the first thing you thought of would be to use something sharp, like your knife? How could you forget that you had it in the hole when it was only one of three things you took with you in the forest? Why did it take 3 days to come to these conclusions?
3) Did you feel guilty at all for stealing someone else's food and supplies? After all, you say that the reason you went into the wilderness was to achieve enlightenment. Is stealing a characteristic of enlightened people?
4) I'm sure this is just a communication problem, but you say that you dug a hole to sleep in, but then you elevated it two feet off the ground to keep snakes and other nasties out. How do you elevate a hole? Wouldn't that be putting dirt back IN the same place that you took it out of?
5) How difficult was it to kill that squirrel. I've never been to VA, but every squirrel I've ever seen has been real perceptive to approaching people/animals. They have an acute sense of hearing, which is why they're quick to run away when people approach. How did you manage to kill it with a rock?
I think that's all my questions. Looking forward to your response.
Hmm...this IS a likely story Zen, but unlikely to have happened.
1) If the food was THAT bad, and you ate it, how the hell were you full? Usually, when i eat something that tastes bad, i stop eatting, and look for other things...Correct me if i'm wrong, but when eating a squirrel, don't you need to skin it?
2) When you scaled the fish, did you make sure that it was dead first? It's tough scaling a live fish. Also, wouldn't your shirt get pretty bloody from scaling a fish and from sknning a squirrel?
3) When you were chasing after the snake, how large was this rock you threw at the snake? And how is it funny that the snake tried to bite you when you cut it in half? Also, damn, how bloody is your shirt??
4) If it was cold, and you used your shirt for fishing, which would make it wet, wouldn't you have suffered from hypothermia at night?
5) I find it very hard to believe that you caught that many fish with just a shirt and a stick. The water must have been very shallow, and you must have been very very lucky. I've tried to catch fish with a net, and as hard as i would try, i found it almost impossible to coax a fish into it.
6) What did you do most of the day?
7) The way you tell the story makes me believe that it was either, totally fake, or some of it was true, but you overexaggerated and fabricated a bunch of parts. The thing is, when one tells a story like that, many details are often left out due to other occurances in the trip. If there was also more details you left out, how come you left us the insignificant ones? And you seem to jump from day to day very quickly.
8) Its called "Grammar" and "Spelling", sometimes people even use "Paragraphs" and "Indentations". It was almost torture reading that.
9) Finally, i find it extremely HARD to believe that you weren't deathly sick by the end of day 7. Also, where in this whole trip did you even attempt to become closer to your ancestors? And you tell the story as if you just journeyed into the depths of your backyard and stayed there for "16" days.
Thanks in advance for answering my questions.
~ivan
On occasions I used to take a friend of mine up into a deep mountain valley near where I used to live. He'd take a backpack with some basic food, tools & medical supplies, and just dissappear into this 10 mile long valley for a couple of weeks to meditate and commune with nature. I'd go back on a pre-arranged day to pick him up, and sure enough, there he'd be with a big grin on his face, healthy and relaxed.
See, he knew what he was doing. He was experienced in bush survival, and he made sure he took suitable emergency supplies and equipment with him. Not much, but essential items. This was simply because as experienced as he was at living off the land, and as in touch with nature as he was, he still knew too well that he could not possibly survive that long living like a caveman or some wild animal. We're too far removed from the physical conditioning and instincts needed to do that.
James.
I've been on this forum for a while now but I have never read a thread like this. I think it is one of the most entertaining threads I ever read and at the same time I have a very sad feeling when reading all this. Ryoku, or whatever your name is, I think you are full of it. I know people that believe in their own obviously made up stories and I think you are one of them. The internet is a great way to vent the thoughts you have.
Then Mayatnik, you are a strange one. One minute you are talking about people behind the scenes, people being killed (if your wife was killed I am very sorry for you) and a while later you are trying to get a date... My thought: you had a lot of lonely nights and to kill the time you watched the entire X-files series.
Maybe the story about the pyramids and stuff was based on facts but you don't come across as a reliable source, I don't believe you. If there is something great about to happen I really doubt it that beings from other dimensions or whatever try to contact us and tell us about it. If these beings know so much, they should've known about how we humans think. We don't listen to information that is transferred in a very unreliable way, at least a way that comes across as very unreliable to the majority of the people. If these beings are that smart they should know not to interfere with our lives on this planet.
These are just my thoughts. With all due respect of course.
I'll give pacino there credit for being so blatantly honest. What can you expect from an insane crime boss though? [;)]
I agree though that this has to be the most interesting thread I have read as well.
Lots of people in all shapes and sizes and opinions and here, you can have the handlebars.
Heres my own story that involves a squirrel.
I hiked to the top of our summit to stay the night in a cabin that was built about fifteen years earlier by some high school kids I know only through siblings.
I had stayed there before, but never alone. I got there and instantly I was bored. I hung out and became paranoid that a cougar would attack me, so I had my buck special with me.
While I was hanging out, two old hipsters randomly hiked up to the cabin. They were probably in their forties or so. They arrived and introduced themselves and told me that they had helped build the cabin. Then they proceeded to smoke me out and left. Having partaken in herbal delights, I then became increasingly paranoid because the two hipsters left. As if by some odd reason they came up there to find me and leave. For a few hours I then rocked back and forth in some partially delusional drama that involved a squirrel scratching on the damn walls of the cabin and crawling in through the holes. I covered the holes with ducttape and went to bed. In the middle of the night i heard more scratching and looked up to see the cute litle paws insanely tearing at the ducttape from inside the walls. Then its head popped out and peeked at me then left. I went to bed not too long after and woke up to leave quite early because it is a loooong helluva hike.
(The moral of the tale is that whatever happens happens so have fun with whatever delusions you may be having.
btw, this tale neither endorses, condones, nor condemns drug use and its abuse, as the use of illegal substances in the US is and should be a personal choice as long as it is only a choice of the individual and affects nor harms any other persons)
(dissassociates self from self becoming an abstract thought)
Realize no matter if you think yourself sapient; there is always knowledge unknown to you. This is a lesson I think I have learned recently. The simplest way to prove this "fact" is to take a good look at your self. Just think, a century ago bloodletting was widely practiced by our own PhD's on ill patients to "cool" the blood.
To be honest, too much knowledge is bad for your mental serenity. This is of course dependant on what the knowledge is and what your complete mental understanding of it is. It's like a young child learning about his parent's financial troubles and worrying about things that aren't always so devastating.
After re-evaluating my beliefs many things have changed for me. I've spoken to Mayatnik and learned a great deal. I can't draw conclusions about everything, but I can say something is happening. People forget that just like astral projection (which most of you probably didn't believe in unless it came naturally) other psychic (meaning we don't understand it scientifically) phenomenon such as intuition exists. Not that you should follow someone else's feelings, but rather respect them. I would suggest to you all to seriously research the NWO, Planet X, the Pole Shift, ancient civilizations, as well as ancient astronomical data, and the abundance of major religions/belief systems correlating together about previous catastrophic events.
Up to you. I don't see the urge to debate this do your research. Spend at least a week or two just seeing why all these "crazy" people believe in UFO's and end time disasters. I believe there is some substance behind all this. Accepting new possibilities can one only attain true wisdom.
Regards,
P.S. I would recommend this links (give them a chance):
http://www.zetatalk.com
http://www.astralpulse.com/membersfiles/StoryOfTimeWheel.jpg
http://www.astralpulse.com/membersfiles/AlcyoneSpiral.jpg
I do believe in intuition although it can't be scientifically proven yet. The problem with science is, is that it is build around our five senses when I think there is also another world to explore, a world which has to do with intuition. I don't exactly know in what way but I have my thoughts on this.
Look at it this way: what if we humans would have never developed our hearing sense? How could we then possibly know what sound/music is like? We could maybe translate the soundwaves to a computer and look at some cool graphs that represent the sound, but isn't there a lot more to sound than just some stupid patterns on a computer screen? If we would not have developed hearing, we maybe never understood what music is like and what it can do.
This is maybe a little of track from what is written above, but he, who cares.
Also can we get back to the subject at hand all I have heard is bad comments if you don't like the thread stay the ---- out got it!!!!
Now has anyone else tried survival training???? How about spiritual exercises. does any one under this believer thread believe or all yall all here just to try and tinkle me off... Also any of you who call me a liar or disagree with me SHUT UP!!!!!!!! did I ask for your opinion or sarcasim. If you don't like me leave me alone... what is yalls peoblem do y ou have so little of a life that you go to threads you don't agree with to bash there ideas...
sorry for the tone of this...
They just cant let ya be 1zen.. I dont see why they would care about if your lieing or got sick or not but maybe it makes them feel smart by "disproving" you? I would just ignore most of there comments..
-Aries
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Originally posted by 1Zenryoku
Also can we get back to the subject at hand all I have heard is bad comments if you don't like the thread stay the ---- out got it!!!! did I ask for your opinion or sarcasim.
I don't get it. The last thing you wrote after telling us about your spiritual retreat into the woods was, and I quote:
quote:
Thats it any more questions just ask.
....and....
quote:
Did not feel like writting every thing so ask away
So then I asked a few questions, which you proceeded to answer, but not without throwing a childish tantrum. If you can't handle a little criticism, then perhaps you should retreat back into the woods, eat a few more squirrels, and steal more possessions that other people paid for. [:D]
I will tell ya what I think...I think it is rude to come onto a forum, where people come to get geniuine advise and help, and tell a blatant lie.
For someone to pass along advise, under the guise that it is the honest truth could also lead someone else a stray, if they were so inclined to believe, and end up in causing bodily harm to themselves. In my opinion, that is crossing a line.
If that was a honest to goodness event that happened to you, then I really don't know what to say, it sounded to me like you were making it up as you went. At the bottom of your post you encouraged "us" to ask questions, yet you get all defensive...why is that? Could it be, because you now are aware that you have painted yourself in the perverbial corner?
P.S. I'm still looking for you to answer most of Jeff', very valid questions.
*disclaimer...These are the opinions of Nay and not necessarily that of the AP's.* [;)]
Nay [^]
Man I love this forum!
Ryoku, I think you should get your own tv show or something. You have a rare gift to entertain people in your own unique way. This thread has made me laugh manytimes.
Thanks.
Hello Everyone,
I write here to clarify a few points mentioned by TONY M and STEEL HAWK.
TONY M:
You say:
Ryoku, or whatever your name is, I think you are full of it. I know people that believe in their own obviously made up stories and I think you are one of them
Those remarks are clearly offensive, and are in fact defamatory. I would remind you that when members joins the Astral Pulse they agree to abide by the rules, one of which is thatthe personal remarks of an abusive nature are not allowed - and the above falls into that category since you are seeking with your remarks to undermine 1Zenryonku's credibility. It may be your pecetion that what 1Zenryoku is saying is "made up stories", but you do not know. Each person has a right to be here to state their view, beliefs and information – however strange it may aear, and bear in mind that this website is all about the Unknown and discussions to find out more. It is not here as a playground for bullying and denegratory tactics, otherwise people will be in fear of posting and their input will be lost or devalued. If a member has not explained something adequately for it to be understood then members should ask for more information in a positive manner. It is in that way that we all learn from each other, and negative input does not help take us forward. How members interact with each other on the forums determines how quickly new things can be grasped or confused more, as the case may be. So, members please note, and follow the rules of the site for the good of all.
You say, referring to me:
Then Mayatnik, you are a strange one. One minute you are talking about people behind the scenes, people being killed (if your wife was killed I am very sorry for you) and a while later you are trying to get a date
I write what I write in order to inform, to add perspective to what has been written by others from my own personal and considerable experience. I obviously cannot give details, by the nature of what I wrote about regarding 'behind the scenes' but I wrote enough for it to be understood..... regarding certain activities and people being killed. I state it as bald fact, without emotion – because, being so intimately drawn in as an innocent party to such cirmcumstances, the very last thing one should have is emotions as that could mean certain death unless one has a very clear head; apart from which, those who control in secret 'behind the scenes' want people to hae emotion and especially fear of them; if you are not afraid then they cannot control as they want. So it was, that even concerning the knowledge that my wife was to be 'taken out' (this information given to me by several of those 'field workers', with calm smiling faces, sometimes over a cup of coffee – in order to intimidate and subjugate me) I had to remain steely calm and alert to try to preserve her life, and I did that until her death and beyond.... because they tend not to go away to ensure you don't go to the police. In fact, going to the police would have meant my certain death and that of my wife too, immediately.
So, when you talk about my wife try to see this in perspective. We had been married 30 years, soulmates in every way, and so much in love. But, her death was 8 yers ago, in 1995. It is now 2004, and life has gone on from the day of her death when I started to look towards a new life. The memories will never fade, but the grief has to be put on one side when a person dies, no matter how close the relationship, if we are to move forward. We are here on this Earth to have our experiences and to learn. Looking back prevents moving forward. So, it is with the greatest sadness that I lost my 'little lifetime pal' (as I used to call her, because we had been close friends from the age of 5) but survival means lolking forward with a positive frame of mind and dealing with whatever comes – you will find this out in the times to come; if you don't start to think positively at alltimes then you will not fare well.
As for me "trying to get a date" as you put it...... I don't need to try to get a 'date'. I have had several good relationships since my wife died, but the perfect relationship for me is when the other person is as caring and committed as I am to sharing all and working as a team, and helping each other to achieve their dream So, I shall be looking for another relationship at some time aftr I move house in a week or so – but I do not have 'dates'; I get to know the person in other ways of interaction; in other words, it comes about through talking to those I meet and usually working together on different projects... from which a relationship may develop. I was merely being jocular with Nay in that post – I thought it would not be a bad idea for people to see the light and humerous side of me that friends see on Messenger and in the flesh (although I have very few friends since I choose them with care).
My thought: you had a lot of lonely nights and to kill the time you watched the entire X-files series
No, I don't have ANY lonely nights. I have a somewhat alone-some life right now and that is of my choosing - but never lonely. I spend my time helping others in Healing, Counselling and Channeling my guide. In fact, I am never truly alone, because my guide is with me constantly and we talk all the time.... And no, I never get tired of her conversation and she has a great sense of humour (as others who have Pleiadian guides also testify to that).
I hardly ever watch TV, except for the News (and documentaries) occasionally just to keep up with current affairs – the News is what is fed to us, and often not anywhere near the reality of the situation because the TV media is gagged and they can only report 'certain things' in order to not lose their license to broadcast. If you want balanced News then it is necessary to listen to the many short-wave broadcasts that each country puts out in English as well as at least 4 outher languages – and that is what I do to keep informed of events that are reported.
As for the 'X-Files' --- the first series was based on fact, from actual files. After that the series got more and more into fantasy and you would have to know what lay behind the stories to be able to separate fact from fiction. The last X-Files I watched was prior to 1994, and I don't watch any 'science fiction' (although there are quite a few elements of that sci-fi in Star Trek that are based on what life is really like 'out there among the stars' and which were given as 'ideas' to the scriptwriters). Since I am involved with the Real thing, I find sci-fi boring (and likewise, 'spy' thrillers are not in any way like it real is – so I don't find them of interest either).
You say, regarding my information:
Maybe the story about the pyramids and stuff was based on facts but you don't come across as a reliable source, I don't believe you. If there is something great about to happen I really doubt it that beings from other dimensions or whatever try to contact us and tell us about it. If these beings know so much, they should've known about how we humans think. We don't listen to information that is transferred in a very unreliable way, at least a way that comes across as very unreliable to the majority of the people.
What is this "We don't listen", that you proclaim as if you are speaking on behalf of all ?! If you think that my information is unreliable, then that is your personal perception – but your perception is clearly ill-informed because there is a very large amount of information published (I donn't mean here the 'pulp' sensational press, but very serious research by world-renowned academics, archaeologists and others working in the filed) and my information accords with that, and adds to it from a provenly consistent and reliable source, the Pleiadians, who have channelled much in a number of well-respected books by such channelers as Barbara Hand Clow, Barbara Marciniak and Amorah Quan Yin – to name but a few. I chose, by the request of my Pleiadian guide, to not write books (because of the time delay in getting such works into print, and time is of the essence now to inform people) and to instead write channelled information on this website for members to examine and discuss. I also point out correlations between the many research works on the subjects as well. So, there is nothing unreliable about dealing with those matters head on. You are not asked to believe it; you are asked to examine it – and the more facts you know the better you can do this. I have spent the last 8 years learning directly from my guide and even now I check with her before I write each sentence as to what she wishes me to channel, and check afterwards to ensure that it is all correct before I submit it to the forum. It was quite some time after Karek my guide, had explained so very much to me, before I even heard of any of those channelling writers......and when I did (in fact, she asked me to go and find certain books which I then did) I found that what others had channelled in those books was EXACTLY what had been channeled to me by her already. The same thing happened regarding ancient history books, such as those dealing with the Pyramids and the ancient texts – I was told all those things long before I was to later see them in those books which I'd never taken any interest in until my guide eventually told me about them, and told me to go see for myself. I found that all correlated closely with what I had been told, and the parts that did not correlate was because of facts that the researcher did not have the information I'd been told.
My job here is to present, as channelled information, those things that will benefit the reader to examine for themselves by drawing their attention to them. So, I write on various threads and also have traned others to be Telepathic and to Channel accurately. There are threads in the Communications section that contain channelled information from the Pleiadians, Zeta and Reptilians (3 of several species that are involved in assisting the Earth at this time coming up to the Pole Shift and 2012). Those threads, by channelers Edi and Fuzziwig, explain in detail many things for people to think about – and what is more, questions can be put to any of the channelers for them to obtain answers from their guides and the guide-representatives of the various species of 'aliens'. Again, I say it is not a matter of 'believing' but of examining what has hitherto beein the Unknown, and which is now being made available as information. To ignore it is to put one's head in the sand and to discuss it means to have read it first, and then evaluate using common sense and intuition. In that way you will be guided, rather than taking or rejecting things simply on the basis of conditioned 'blind-belief'. What a person believes at any time is purely a matter of perception. The higher the perception the more one can understand, because the perspective is there to see – if you look !
Finally, to you TONY M, I wonder if your perception misguides you regarding whether I am 'reliable' in my information because of what you have read just here in this thread, where I gave some 'personal' details about myself as background to the general discussion. If your perception was coloured by how you personally viewed what you found here then does that mean the channelling by Edi and Fuzziwig are 'reliable' (since they give no personal 'details' of their lives)? It seems to me that it is not just a matter of your perception that you should examine, but to what degree you are being judgemental, and especially in view of clearly insufficient information to be able to make any judgement about a person. As with all things, the more you read then the better informed you will be. So, be careful not to jump to conclusions without knowing a lot more facts.
STEEL HAWK:
Thank you for your positive and constructive input. May I point out though, with regard to the links that you supplied for research, that the two Astral Pulse links you provide refer only to diagrams and not to the article (on 'cycles') which they are a part of) so I give the link here to the complete article (located on page 5 of that thread) for members to research about the Mayan Calendar and other associated topics:
'CYCLES' Channeled by Mayatnik
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9466&whichpage=5
(see also the links I gave for further valuable research on page 3 of this this 2012 thread here)
With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
PS>
Just as I am getting this ready for posting, I notice a post from JEFF MASH and also one from NAY, regarding 1Zenryoku. Again I see no comment about the rules of the Astral Pulse, regarding abusive personal remarks being stated, and I would expect that of Moderators (as JEFF MASH and NAY are). It is not permissible for a person to call another one a liar, If you don't absolutely know; and you don't know. And, even if you do, then there is such a thing as diplomacy and positive input will further discussion, quite apart from the rules of the Astral Pulse which should be followed. The way it came across to me from 1Zenryoku was that he didn't know what to put in or leave out, and suggested members ask further questions if they wanted. Everyone is here to contribute or to be helped. Members are NOT here to be insulted beause their information does not 'ring true'. If something is unclear, then members should ask in a polite way for further information – then we can discuss it, which is what these forums are all about. Stop putting others down. Be polite to each other!
Maya,
I see where you're coming from, and I certainly agree that this should not be a forum condoning personal attacks.
However, being the type of forum that we have here, it's...how should we say....very open-minded. I guess you would have to be in order to remain here for any length of time. Hehehe.
Anyway, with that said, I'm a very open-minded person, and I usually give some slack when it comes to people expressing their thoughts and opinions.
Now, I can only speak for myself here, but this is how *I* moderate the messages I read. I'm telling you this, if anything, to give you a better insight to how I operate.
1) What one person says may be viewed as an attack by one person, and criticism by another. So how do I determine the difference? I pretty much look at the writing style and the reasoning behind the commments.
As an example, Tony M. said some things which you took as a personal attack, and I can see how *you* would take them that way. I, on the other hand, took it as a critic's opinion of what you have said.
If he would have come in and said, "MAYA....you SUCK! You're so full of *#*%&*%, it makes me laugh!".......If that would have happened, he would have been dealt with. But he expressed his opinion about your claims in a more straightforward manner (IMO), and even ended his post with "These are just my thoughts. With all due respect of course."
Disagree if you must, but this is just how *I* look at things when determining a blatant personal attack and aan opinion on another persons character or beliefs.
2) Just for the record, you may not *see* us moderators doing anything, but we have ways of privately contacting people who are "in the wrong" and chastising them as we see fit. So just because you may not see any action taking place, that's not to say that there isn't wheels spinning in the background.
Anyway, I'm saying this for no other reason than to let you know that I'm not here to gag people for expressing their beliefs as it pertains to the forum....but I do expect those who make certain factual statements to either back them up, or at least tell me why THEY believe them as fact.
As an example, you believe in the Zetas and Pleiadians, while I may not. I may ask you WHY you believe in their existence, and whether or not I choose to believe your explanation, I can respect you for stating the reasoning behind your beliefs.
However, when others say something (as 1Zenryoku's account of roughing it in the woods, and then he asks me to direct any questions at him), I would expect him to answer them without getting upset or defensive. If he does get upset, I won't take any action, but it does reveal to me a little bit more about his character.
Sorry for the ramble. If you have any further questions or concerns for me, let me know. [:)]
JEFF,
Thank you for that very clear reply, 'twas not rambling at all. I fully agree with your sentiments and of course respect the way that you deal with things (in the way you have explained) as a Moderator; that, after all, is your job. I was seeking (as a non-Moderator) to simply draw the attention of members to the fact that can be very counter-productive to positive discussion to call a person a 'liar' based on just what they have seen - since some members do believe what others say especially if several jump on that bandwagon. I would rather see a more polite framing of a person's perception than to call another a liar. Usually it is a case of lack of information that leads to such perception, as in the main there should be every reason to suppose that there is some validity in what is said and that it is merely a lack of comprehension (due to insufficient information before the porson) that obscures the reality of the situation.
I believe it is right to question a person, especially when what they write may seem incredulous – as seemed some of 1Zenryoku's emplanations of his 'survival adventure' – and he did ask for members to ask if they wanted to know more. I would not call a person a liar when I didn't know though, and only further questioning would enable a better understanding... one way or another. But, I see your point Jeff regarding how you deal with things in general and it is very fair. I ask only that people be polite with each other, and to call someone a liar is to prejudge.
As for what I write in my channelings this is quite obviously an area that many are as yet unfamiliar with, so much depends on what a person has already read and assimilated as to how they perceive things. I certainly do not ask people to believe me – that would not be sensible. I only ask that people examine the information and discuss it in a positive manner. Any new information needs to be examined, rather than ignored as trash – since all Truth is a matter of perception, and perception is very subjective and depends on the degree of conditioning a person has been subject to in their life. The Truth is out there, and it only needs to be found and examined. I bring what I am asked by my guide for people to examine. People should only believe what they feel is right, and with the amount of information regarding this 2012 Mayan Calendar end-date it is clearly worth examining before making any judgement to dismiss it.
We have several veins running through this thread, all of which are worth examining in depth for a greater appreciation of what is being said about the Pole Shift and 2012 in general. Zetatalk gives information regarding survival – but how would each of us deal with that.......... Would we be self-assured in the event of this cataclysm? (which would mean being knowledgable about basic survival techniques at least – so well worth discussing and getting ideas from other members, like 1Zenryoku, who have tried it in some way) I, personally, have obtained the <SAS SURVIVAL GUIDE> book and am with difficulty (using a magnifier due to my very poor eyesight) reading it yet fascinated with so many new things I had never thought about before. For instance, it says that worms are full of protein and that a person can easily survive by eating them (they should be dried in the sun then crushed to a powder and water added to make a very nutritious 'gravy'). But, how I will fare with my eyesight is a matter that is not discussed in that book, so, although I am knowledgable about quite a lot of things it would be handy for me to have a partner with me for that journey into the Unknown. No man is an island, and we can all benefit from what we can share with each other. So, I view this 'survival' aspect as a valuable vein of discussion in this thread, and 1Zenryoku has started it off so hopefully the discussion will go on. I simply ask that all input should be polite and positive. I don't take things 'personally' myself (although some may do and take offence) and I look on what is written objectively and impersonally because I simply have information that I am asked by my guide to give. However, if people criticize the messenger it does not help the message, and if they criticize the message then that is negative – what should be done is, as I've said may times, examine what is given as information, ask about what is not understood, and read more to be better informed.
Thank you once again for your clear explanation of how you Moderate the forums which is very fair. Beyond that, I would only ask you to stress to members the importance of polite interaction.
With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
What is the big deal with 2012? I've heard demon wars and other wars, etc., but why does ANYONE really believe this is going to happen? Has there been a flood of spychics talking about this year? Some new book come out? Why does everyone think this year is significant right now?
Mayatnik, I think Jeff put it in the right way: I wasn't bashing people but I just got a little fed up with Ryoku. Personally, I think he's lying, just look at what's said in the posts above.
And I know I'm saying things that make it look like I haven't done some research but I don't have the time to type everything out in the way you do. I read some on pleiadians, zetas and reptiles and I just don't believe in it.
Through personal experience I know that nothing is what it seems and as long you "fabricate" your story right, you can "come up" with something very credible. Maybe they do exist and if they do and I find out, I won't feel stupid because I based my opinion on what seemed obvious to me at that time.
I can go on and on discussing this thing with you but I have other things to do.
And by the way, I think you're being too correct. Maybe that's why you don't come across as very reliable. You try to explain too much of everything, it's like you don't want to leave room for the critics to criticize you, like yoú know that there is a very good reason to criticize you...
And you were right about the "we" thing. Sorry about that, I'm not so correct all the time, because I don't have the time.
Tony out.
AlphaOmega,
I've heard demon wars and other wars, etc., but why does ANYONE really believe this is going to happen?
Demons? Sounds a bit far fetched, don't you think? They were talking about 'demons' in the middle ages. I'd hoped we'd moved on from there. But maybe you're reading some strange material somewhere, there are some weird notions out there – as for believing such things as 'demon wars' are going to happen, then people who are reading that into this are obviously not reading the right material, because 2012 is simply about the Mayan end-date in their Calendar which is based on what is called the 'Ages of Man'. These 'Ages' are periods of time in Man's History in which each has marked a change; and the 2012 date simply marks the end of the whole series of cycles which have been known to Astrologers and good psychics for centuries.. So, the new cycle that will start after 23rd December 2012 will be a great change for Man, as every cycle has been – if you study the history that falls within those periods – except that this being the end of a Grand Cycle, the culmination of all 12 that make up the 26,000 years, it will be a very great change and there are many books that have been written about it. And I have also channelled on the subject of the Pole Shift and 2012 from the Pleiadians and also the Zeta perspective.
I have mentioned several times now where to look to start to learn more about this on the thread, so I'll refrain this time and let you go look yourself – since I am busy packing boxes ready to move house. Just dropped by to let you know it has nothing to do with demons - which should cut down the search somewhat, but of course you don't have to believe me in that; it's just that there is an overwhelming amount tof material already published (apart from channelling) that is very credible and good evidence to indicate a more common-sense answer than 'demons'to the 2012 scenario.
TONY M
Thank you for that very honest and direct reply. I agree with you, and I think you have very valid pointsin what you say.
Regarding what you said about 1Zenryoku, I personally felt that 1Zen was a little incredulous but that doesn't mean he is lying, and it may well mean that he is not explaining himself well enough. I get the feeling that he is very sincere and wanting to find the answer to many things – that being the case, members can discuss it, and certainly ask him to explain himself better; that is only right.
I, as you have pointed out, seem to be coming across to you as over explaining to the point where it doesn't seem credible to you. I quote from your post about me:
You try to explain too much of everything, it's like you don't want to leave room for the critics to criticize you, like yoú know that there is a very good reason to criticize you..
That of course is your perception. As you say, "Nothing is the way it seems" and I have said that myself in my posts – meaning that what people are conditioned to think is notthe way it is. And I stress here to assure you that what I say is not fabrication. I certainly do not want you or anyone to just 'believe' it, only to examine and think and discuss.
You have a perfect right to believe whatever you feel at any time to be correct and maybe I am not helping you in particular because I am explaining too much which causes you to be suspicious. Others though can benefit from my detailed explanations bercause it saves them having to spend a great deal of time researching (and there is much rubbish written out there, so it is not easy to follow the right trail unless you are an experienced and unbiased researcher). So, it is not that I'm seeking to not leave room for 'critics' – I am trying to lay out the material that I present as a good foundation for further thought and research, rather than haphazard and incomplete. If I left gaps then critics could erroneously pick holes in the information simply because I didn't give enough facts. And (ignoring the fact that I channel all this from my guide, to make the point simple here – because some may not believe that I am receiving information by Telepathy) most of the information is actually published and has been known for a long time in many cases but has not been widely advertised due to some in society that have a vested interest in wanting it suppressed. I am merely bringing it to the attention of people because it should not be suppressed and should be available for all to examine and then – on the basis of a full examination – be in a better position to understand what is really going on. As for channelling – can anyone honestly believe that 3 of us (myself, Edi and Fuzziwig) channelling on these forums have 'fabricated' in a grand tapestry weave of fiction all that we we write – that would indeed be a Grand Conspiracy beyond all wild 'conspiracy theories' if common sense is applied here. So, it would be appropriate for a person to assume that what I and the other channelers write is correct or at least may be, and then go on to examine why it may be..... rather than just dismissing it out of hand because of present perception.
I take to heart what you say about me 'over explaining', or writing too much. So, I shall endeavour to write less in any post in future – I have explained it all in general anyway, so I leave it up to members to go and dig out if they so wish and to read the websites and books that are given in the Astral Pulse Library:
Mayatnik's Book Recommendations (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5344)
That list, which I had compiled in a post on the forums, was placed there in the Library not by myself but by Frank a Moderator who thought that the list should be preserved for all those who really wanted to find out the Truth.
Thank you once again for a very healthy and refreshingly honest post – because openness is the best way forward, so long as it is polite in its points and positive criticism.....as yours was here and a good example to members.
Now I am going to go back to my boxes and tackle some more of that packing up to be ready for my house move. See you later.
With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
Ok then. By the way, I don't only have negative things to say about you. You seem like a smart and educated person and that's why I'd like you to read my paper on happiness and comment about it. Here's the link and if it doesn't work it can be found in the philosophy section.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10083
And I've taken to heart some things you said as well. But he, I'm still young and have got a lot left to learn.
Good luck moving.
TONY M,
i look forward to reading your Philosophy Paper on HAPPINESS. Ture happiness comes from within, from the heart - and I shall comment on it from the heart also............
.....just as soon as I can clear these damn pans and plates that need packing, because I can hardly get into the kitchen (not easy to get round things into square boxes and secure for safe transit) ...... then I'll be happy.
See yo later.
Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
Tony M:
You say: Through personal experience I know that nothing is what it seems and as long you "fabricate" your story right, you can "come up" with something very credible.
As a fellow channeler to Mayatnik, i can say that we dont fabricate a story to come up with something credible. It would simply be a waste of time for me to fabricate such stories, as well as alot of headache to keep having track of all the information that is posted in the Communications Thread. I and Edi are giving a chance for members to get information on practically anything they should pose questions about in respectively the Reptilian thread and the Zeta thread. Fabricating stories covering practically anything is pretty hard to do, but i guess not impossible, only for me it would be. The information delivered by us is not fabricated and ppl can with their common sense and intuition decide what they think of it, like yourself and this is perfectly allright.
The AlphaOmega:
You say: What is the big deal with 2012? I've heard demon wars and other wars, etc., but why does ANYONE really believe this is going to happen? Has there been a flood of spychics talking about this year? Some new book come out? Why does everyone think this year is significant right now?
The questions are well put ones, and so normally i would have answered this in the Communications section. I will let the Zeta comment on your questions through the use of channeling. A channeling that happens by the use of my Pleiadian guide who provide the telepathic hook-up to the Zeta.
Zeta:
The year 2012 wont be a year of any Demon war or the like. The ancient texts speak of such wars on the background of their writers believes in the evil taking over the world, because of its corrupt and decadent way of becoming. It was an observation of the worlds population that lead to the texts of such a war. The demons should supposely come and spread terror on the existing chaos that was present, and cover the world in darkness. The war would mean that all humans would succumb to these demons, and that there would be a rule of evil. There would be a struggle at first, but as these demons would come in by the many, the humans would finally die. The story is a dark one, and not at all true. While some may choose to believe in this tale, then its far from likely that such a war should take place. The humans have their free will to decide whether they want 'demons' around. Spirits that are confused and frustrated to be in these lower levels of vibration and deep down want to return to a higher place. A place they can call home. It is not wonder that ppl have feared them, but it is a growing understanding of what they are, that allows for us to help them. It is not by fear that we help these spirits, but by love and understanding.
The 2012 wil bring about changes to the world as we know it. The society that exists at the present time will not live to see another day after the poleshift. That means that there will be room for another society after this, and so there will be build such a society but on other ideas. It will be a society that allows for ppl to live in harmony, and think about their spiritual development with out care about wealth or survival. It will be in the interest for ppl to live in such a society and so we provide for such a development to take place. This is our place to do so as according to the plan for the Earth project. We dont find it necessary to discuss this further, as there will be rich opportunity to discuss these matters in our Zeta Communications thread where questions can be posed.
Light and Compassion
Fuzziwig
This semi-reminds me of when I secluded myself in nature back in '02 and '98... And reminding me of it made me think about how much of your story could be true...
In 2002 I went backpacking in the wilderness that is New Mexico. My bag weighed a clean 45 pounds, including the tent gear, food, and plenty of water. This was New Mexico, so even though there was no humidity, it was still 100s during the daytime and pretty darn cold at night. Which got me thinking... Virginia gets pretty cold at night (I kinda live here [|)]), and I had a tent and several layers of nice warm clothes, fresh after the hike ceased for the day. Included was also a sleeping bag. I still froze every night, with all of this, and this was summer. Not to criticize, but you mean to tell me that you didn't after 16 days in the BR mountains?
Our food was anything but scarce on this backpacking trek...meaning we had a wholesome 3,000 calorie-a-day diet going on here, which was necessary considering the hikes were over 10 miles a day. I ate it all, even the stuff I hated so dearly back at home, just because when the time for food came, you were STARVING. So... with just a little can o' beans and a few fish every once in a while... you managed for 16 days.
Note how I failed to mention the fact that fishing is pretty impossible without proper gear, or how Virginia Squirrels aren't the easiest thing to catch, even with a car [8)].
Now, I have heard of stomachs shrinking... from Survivor actually, where they had the proper tools to hunt animals and catch fish. They starved even though they had a plentiful river right nearby and wild boar roaming all around. They had spears and fishing poles and still barely managed to eat without using their supply of rice.
...What I'm basically trying to say is... if it's still around when you're 18, Go on Survivor!
Last thing, don't get so easily irritated when people doubt you. If you look at it from our point of view, it's obvious that we will. It's not fun if you really are telling the truth and nobody believes you, and I'm sure everybody here has had that happen at least once... surely.
~Squeek
PS - For those interested, the other trip was to a deserted island a few miles south of the Florida Keys. Deer ate our food [V]. (Yes, there were DEER on an island. I asked the dude how they got there... he told me they swam. [xx(])
All things to do with 2012 came from the translating of the Mayan calendar, has it occured to anyone that perhaps it was translated wrongly?
Haepaestus,
You say:
All things to do with 2012 came from the translating of the Mayan calendar, has it occured to anyone that perhaps it was translated wrongly?
This is not the case. All things do not come from the Mayan Calendar to do with the 2012 date. The calendar is only a corroboration of other facts known for thousands of years, and the Mayans are simply not that old. What is interesting in this corroboration is that the Mayans, thousands of miles away, knew what the Sumerians knew, and also had the culture of the Pyramids and the impossibility for them also to have built them unaided along with many other things about them that is striking. But the 'translations' of the Mayan Calendar are precise (in fact, ultra precise) and have been verified by modern computers in a special investigation. That investigation was not done regarding the Manan end-date actually, and the investigators were looking in completeliy another direction – they were trying to find out the significance of the 11 shafts in the Great Pyramid. When they used star charts they found that 11 stars lined up exactly to the shafts in the Pyramids around the time that scientists estimated they were made. On 'rolling forward' the star charts again towards our present time from then, it was discovered that those 11 stars did not align at all during the intervening period........until they reached (surprisingly) the 23rd December, 2012.... Which happened to be also the Mayan end-date for their calendar. That is an example of such independent corroboration. We also have the known 'Ages of Man' that correlate exactly to the various periods in our history (particularly of Europe and the Middle East), such as the 'Age of Leo' (when the Sphynx representing it and the Sirians, and in that time perioid the pyramids also, were built), and the others (which we know as the Cosmic Zodiac, relating to the Cosmic Spiral of our stars over massive periods of time) and of course the 'Age of Pisces', the coming of the Fisherman Jesus. Each age (segment of that Grand Cycle) represents a major Lesson in the evolution of Mankind.. And all this correlates with the Mayan Calendar, made by another seemingly quite separate culture thousands of miles away independently. On looking closer in serious research there is, however, a connection : They too had 'visitiors' from the stars, who gave them that 'information' for their calendar and the Mayans observed the stars and became aware of the 'cycle' of Time, and how it affects Mankind. We are now coming to the end of the Age of Pisces. Soon we shall be in the Age of Aquarious – and that is the start of a whole new Grand Cycle, and a dramatic change for Mankind. It is not a time of 'doom' but a New Beginning. The dawn of a New Epoch for us.
I have yet to write further to my channelled article on 'Cycles' appertaining to this (and which is in the Reptilian thread of the Commnications section – as I've already mentioned in a previous post above here), but with my house move being imminent now and so little time left I have had to leave until later my 'Ages of Man' and also another channelled article which I shall write on the Planets and their effect from 1960 to 2012. These channelings regarding information that has been known for a long time are not directly connected with the Mayans themselves, but are identical nevertheless from our European and Middle East cultural knowledge from ancient times. So, there is no mistranslation or misconception - and it is not about some 'end-date' alone but a complete chronology all is as it was planned in the Cosmos for Mankind.
With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK[
Well the 23rd of December 2012 will come to Australia before the UK due to time zones, so whos time zone is the one which correlates with the Mayan calendar? When Australia is on the 23rd of december 2012 the UK will still be on the 22nd. [;)]
Hey Hephaestus,
quote:
Well the 23rd of December 2012 will come to Australia before the UK due to time zones, so whos time zone is the one which correlates with the Mayan calendar? When Australia is on the 23rd of december 2012 the UK will still be on the 22nd.
When you are situated in Egypt, doing research on the shafts of the great pyramid by astronomical calculations, it would be natural to use local time for those calculations. You need a fix point to relate things to, and as this they used local time of Egypt. So when Mayatnik says those stars will be aligned with the shafts on 23rd December 2012, he will obviously mean local time. By the way, the popular 'end-date' is the 21st of December, but this is wrong and only stems from the date of the winter solstice which is not related to the end of the cycle the mayan calendar is describing... so the only significant date will be the 23rd.
I'd like to add a few words from my Pleiadian guide Perena, who will be glad to comment on this and other things.
"
You cannot of course pinpoint the exact second and millisecond this alignment will take place, because the stars will slowly wander over the shafts and out again over a short period of time, but this does not matter at all because this alignment itself is no trigger for anything to happen, it is just a very accurate measurement of a long cycle. In the same way, your calendar can tell you when a winter or summer solstice is about to happen - the calendar is just a tool to remember the regularities you see when the earth revolves around the sun in one year, and the same can be said about the great pyramid: it just measures the end of a cycle, so you can remember that a new one is about to begin. That the Maya measured time with a calendar that is local to where they lived, is pretty intelligible, and this doesn't change the fact that from the point of view from the Giza pleateau, 23rd December 2012 marks the end of a cycle that was known at the time the pyramids were built."
And because I'm already at it, I'd also like to introduce the Zeta here, who should be known to most readers now by the conversations they provide in the communications forum...
"
Greetings, and thanks for giving us room to add to this discussion. In fact, all the talk about demons and a demon war is illusion that was created by old tales of demon-like fantasy figures and not based on any real evidence. If you want 'proof' of an upcoming war, you can easily convince yourself into it by interpreting dreams or fantasies you might have for realities. But then you might ask, why do you want a war? Why do you long for some mysterious gate to open, just to have millions of 'demons' flooding this world? There are no 'demons' waiting for that opportunity, and your earth is perfectly safe from everyone except humanity itself. What most people perceive as 'demons' are creations and projections of their own mind, and because you push those things away and rather like to fight than to solve the problem, you believe in a glorious war that would be necessary to prove youself. There are spirits out there that people encounter, but slaying the unknown is no way to find peace. If you want, you can see the talk about a demon war as something symbolic, i.e. the demons are inside of everyone, but then again this is only a labelling to externalize things. By saying those things as we just did, we do not try to 'disprove' anyone - we agree that all talking about demons has its roots somewhere and what you make out of those roots depends on what you perceive and accept into your world. In order to point out some things or ideas that could be neglected otherwise, we did state a very firm counterposition, and this was our intent and our contribution to this discussion. We're ready to back up what we said, so feel free anyone to pose further questions either here or in the communications forum, where there's a thread specifically for questions to us."
Having read this thread so far, it seems like there are many different opinions on this issue of 2012, so I'm interested to see where this all is going, and what we will think about it in 9 years :)
Love, Light and icecream,
Edi
I think Mayatnik that you are a very enlightened person, and everyone here can learn from you. Although your posts are alittle long
[:D]
At any rate I think that most of you just like to pick on 1zenryoko.
1zen try not to get offended at them, try and keep an open mind. They are just trying to better understand you, thats all.
About the Demons, I think that we may be talking about other humans, not actual spirits or what not...
Well theres my 2 cents.
-Aries
ya know, just something else i'd like to point out about aligning of stars and it's supposed effects: those stars are LONG long distances away, and it takes light much much time to get here from there, which means we are seeing the "alignment" *after* it aligned (aka, we see it when it is unaligned).
just thought i'd point that out ^_^
~kakkarot
Kakkarot,
I'd suggest the actual position is not that important, it doesn't matter how long the light took from there to here. All those measurements are according to our perception and have been for ages, and the stars in the sky are just like a giant clockwork with many hands whizzing around. What counts is how we perceive that. If there are possible influences of astronomical objects, like the planets around us, or stars further away, I would not think of them directly influencing us (it could be that way, but I presently don't know about this), but I'd rather see it as a measurement of a natural cycle that could well be present on earth also (sounds like the holographic universe). Um, I hope I expressed this somewhat understandable [|)]
cya,
Edi
knowledge is awaiting a questionable circumstance.
ask nobody how the years have been represented through nostrodomus, or cultural myths, or dreams, or others who believe they know.
We all dont.
To dream the lost, is to create the found.
What is funny to me is the presumption that I find everyone holding to. I know this, no, I know this. Well you dont. accept it.
so something happens on the day you thought it to happen, so what? Does that mean you knew? No. Does it mean that you or I have powers that influence the Universe? Perhaps, why should we care though?
Definitive spectrums of innocence lost in logic toting around weights of uncomplacent live is no more a reason to give ourselves the arguement that something is bound to happen.
My reasoning changes day to day. Good thing. Why?
Because under this rapid dichromatic surface, I feel I dont want to know, nor need to know, nor should know. Why should any of us be different than the next person?
What if a resurrection of some messiah is not the literal plane? What if it is OUR awakening? The messiah was us. All, being the whole.
I understand our need to define the impossible. Or the desire to know the future. Or attempting to make amends to the dead. Or to give ourselve the comfort of unique stations in life.
I understand our hate, and our creativity. I understand birth as it was, I was birthed. I may not have a child, but I have been born unto this life, and give my life to each, to give the pleasure that birth may give.
Creation and destruction, all a winding clock that we teeter on, yet as our equilibrium and our balance wanes, we question and predict. We fall victim to the necessity of the weight within our hearts.
Nobody here is wrong, nor are they right. None of us give to each other while we neither take also.
The halos we wear crack over time, they rust and the glow disapates.
I hope you will someday realize this place....is nothing, yet you could find everything here.
Everything.
The so called demon war isnt gonna be demons coming out of the sky its gonna be us against out government.George bush is really screwing us over big time.The way this war is probabley gonna start is by these things called v chips i dont know if you have heard yet about them george bush has planned for everyone to have one of these by the end of 2005, jesus talk about prophecies coming true.I sujjest you start preparing,learn how to shoot a gun because you cant
really count on psi to help you against an m4a1 unless your really experienced in psionics and can effect macro objects and people.Make your body not have to eat as much because there might be times when you have to go without eating or eat very little for long periods of time.But this is all in theory if the war even happens but it seems preatty inevitable with those v chips,ill die before i let them insert one of those into my skin.
I suppose your talking about the Veri Chip, but where do you get the information that Bush has "planned for everyone to have one of these by the end of 2005"?
Okay for all thiose who say myu tale is a lie there was one part I added that was not true that was the walk home I got carried away and figured it would make me seem cooler.... I apologize for this and I have been away so I could not clear it up earlier I figured I would stretch the truth a litttle Honestly I was picked up by the people I stole from and brought back to camp and yes I was scared...
I paniced a little more than I said.... I almost cried when I gotr back...[:I]
One reson for clearing this up is because I will not lie to Aries He has stood behind me since the creation of this thread. And I appreciate it if nesscary I will leave it to a vote for me to leave all those in favor of me leaving say Aye all those oppossed say nay..
I apologize I have dishonored myself..
I await your sentence and MayaTnick I am sorry to you as well.. every one I am done......[V][:(]
Oh no, please stay Zenryoku! I enjoy the hair on my back standing up!
And the reason why I said you should have your own tv show was that I logged on to this thread many times, especially page 5. And page 5 begins with you saying: GOD YOU PEOPLE IRRITATE ME!!!!!!
This was very entertaining to me and made me laugh everytime I read it.
I don't think you're an a**hole or something like that, so stay.
*Bows head*
Thank you...
Hey 1zen its alright everyone has stretched the truth alittle at some point.
I think you should stay, even if most people dont agree here the input from everyone is still appriciated. Alot of people read this thread and if you werent here then where would it be?
So dont worry about it, I say stay.
-Aries
*bows to Aries in appreciation*
Thank you.....
To make this better I will delete all related post of mine and try to put this behind me...
I've been seeing all these 2012 Mayan topics, and don't know anything about the subject really, haven't even really read most of them, but this morning I stumbled upon a really interesting webpage while researching the supposed Yellowstone Super Volcanoe near future "cataclysmic eruption".
Anyway, anyone know what the Bible Codes are? Supposed hidden letter codes in the original Torah (where the Bible came from?) that show well known events and such.
If you read up about the Bible Codes, you'll notice that they end in the year 2012 with a comet impact that destroys Earth. It could all be just made up random mumbo jumbo, or maybe a real big coincidence, but it deserves a look.
You should just go to the following link and read it, it explains it better then I can ever wish too, it's still confusing to me.
(scroll down about third of the way and it explains it all)
http://exodus2006.com/3code.htm
then when you understand that, go to:
http://exodus2006.com/2012.htm
http://exodus2006.com/2012code.htm
http://exodus2006.com/6maya.htm
This is also an interesting link, about Yellowstone Super Volcanoe:
http://exodus2006.com/supervol.html
(Does this Mayan stuff mention anything about Yellowstone btw? I'm still confused about it all)
Oh please... No more, no more...
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Originally posted by Tony M.
Oh please... No more, no more...
I don't get it.....
The Bible codes are a load of rubbish, I watched a documentary on tv and someone used the same computer software the person used on the bible on an ordinary book from a library (might have been a charles dickens novel, no idea which one) and that book also churned out numerous predictions the same of which were supposedly found in the bible. Also someone who was adamant the bible codes were true gave us examples one of which made me laugh my socks off at the guy for being so god damn dumb, on one of the pages he said he got the words 'John' and 'Kennedy', as he looked further on the page he found the words 'to die' and he said it was proof the codes were true. I laughed so hard I almost burst a blood vessel I shouted at the telly EVERYBODY DIES YOU FOOL!!!!
Zenryoku, I meant no more 2012 predictions. Had enough of them. I have to admit that I can relate to the Mayan calendar thing, although Pleaidians and reptiles are not something I can relate to (yet?). But armageddon type of predictions.. no more, please..
Well it does make things interseting around here.
I Got a big Question------What will happen if 2012 doesn't????
Me I will Just keep on training trying to become more at peace
-Ultimate strength leads to ulitmate peace- i will just become stronger from the training 2012 just gives me a reason to train harder... So there anyone else know what they will do.....
The Volcano eruption thing in Yellowstone would suck... buuuuuuut did you know?
If all the people in China stood on a chair and jumped off at exactly the same time, they could knock the earth out of orbit.
Wow... stupid, but intresting.
-Aries
[:D] funny!!![:D]
I like that one,.....
Hey, I don't know how to do that cut and paste thingie when quoting someone else's post, but it was stated in an earlier post "The so called demon war isnt gonna be demons coming out of the sky its gonna be us against out government."
Actually, what I believe is the war is not going to be against the government, the war is going to be against ourselves. Remember the saying from the old Pogo cartoon: "we have seen the enemy and they are us". What I believe is that the world around us is a reflection of what is repressed within us - negative emotions such as fear, greed, shame, guilt, etc. Look at all the disease in our society - those are the demons! When we come to know our true, spiritual selves there will be no disease, no lack of food or water, no 40 hour work week. All is provided freely by God.
We are carrying a lot of crap inside ourselves that is not part of our true self -- this gets revealed physically in the world around us (same as the subconscious gets revealed in dreams; this world is no different, whatever we are carrying in the subconscious gets revealed in the physical). That's why I believe we are going to see catastrophes - both human-made and natural - because we have not come to know our true selves. As Donald Walsh says - we would rather see ourselves as unwilling victims than unwitting creators. We are the creators! We are the creators of all that is around us - weather patterns, nature, animals, plants - it is all created by us. Now if we can't figure out how we are creating it (I believe it is a reflection of our subconscious) we sure as heck are not going to know how to change it when things really get rocking - i.e. the revealing becomes stronger and stronger until all that is carried within our subconscious is revealed in the world around us.
It's not a doom a gloom scenario; it's science. It's looking in the mirror. The mirror is coming to life around us and we refuse to accept the mirror. We want to look in the mirror and when we don't like what we see we want to deny it -- no I don't have gray hair and I'm not 40 lbs overweight. Denial doesn't work. The mirror (the world around us) is a true reflection and is becoming increasingly so. We will know longer be held back from ourselves.
Luv - LindaS.
Yep that's true (in my view) and that's why we should start changing the world by changing ourselves. I think every person getting to know himself is the only true solution to all/most? of our problems. That's why I think that self-reflection and self-development should get a bigger place in society, like in education.
When I started looking at myself I began my journey that has become a spiritual one and this is something I would have never guessed a year ago. People must really get to know themselves and not just their ego's. This should be the first basic step on every journey, whether it is in love, work or something I can't think of right now.
It's this basic thing that will give us something to fall back to and will provide stability and happiness for us and also for the people around us.
I have read most of your posts and have some things to add and a few questions.
First of all I know about the planetary pole shift that is to occur, in which the Earth will stop rotating for three days before rotating again in the other direction. I have also heard that around this time all of the planets also align. Has anyone else heard that?
I don't see why all of you are thinking of apocolypse, destruction, violence, world government. It is clear that all of these things are set up as a test to distract us from doing what we are suppossed to do. EVOLVE!! Or be at one with the kingdom of god.If all you think of is the bad things than that is all that you are going to witness! The new generation coming into 2012 stems from Intelligence and as we all collectively build that intelligence, we will reach a point when the old values and morals will be subject to de-evolution. Our new evolutionary path will bring values such as love, trust, freedom, justice. We will exsist as a non-competative grouping.
So let's try to be positive about future changes, because it is a very exciting time to be alive!!
One more thing, if anyone wants some insight on evolution of Human, see the movie "Waking Life"
peace!
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Originally posted by Sabastiel
I have read most of your posts and have some things to add and a few questions.
First of all I know about the planetary pole shift that is to occur, in which the Earth will stop rotating for three days before rotating again in the other direction. I have also heard that around this time all of the planets also align. Has anyone else heard that?
Something to ponder. Just think what this would mean if the rotation was to be stopped abruptly in some manner, putting aside the colossal energy required to do this and restart rotation if no external agency is involved. Were it to happen then anyone not tied down would be effectively thrown with great force and end up a gooey mess (everything on the surface is moving at speed due to the rotation (1000 MPH plus at the equator)). But no problem, the oceans would soon be along to wash away the mess. I have read that there are some potential plate movements in the offing that could cause a bit of a judder and planetary pole shift, I think that the plate on which Japan lies was mentioned as a contender.
The planetary pole does move on occasion, not that many thousands of years ago it was sited in Canada (Hudson bay area I think), made for a lot of ice over the entire North American continent, aided and abetted by the last major ice age.
The magnetic pole change does occur at fairly regular intervals and now is such a time. There are some iregularities developing which
may be a precurser to the main event, a notable one being in the South Atlantic where the reduced field is causing interesting effects such as near Earth orbit satellite damage from cosmic radiation which can now enter at this point. Based upon previous records a magnetic pole shift will take hundreds if not thousands of years to complete.
I dont remember where I heard this, but North isnt even in the North Pole anymore. As of now it is in Canada somewhere, and they expect it to end up in Asia. Every single day the Earths rotation is slowing, and the Axis shifting. I think the most the north Pole moved in one day was 12 degrees... but anyway yea.
One more thing, to TonyM. Saying please no more predictions about 2012. Did you happen to read the name of this thread?
-Aries
Yeah I read it, but the new one is a whole different one from the original 2012 theory. The new one is a doomsday scenerio and it's not like we haven't heard them before in the past years. That's why I didn't want to HEAR it, I didn't say he couldn't talk about it.
If our true selves are revealed does that mean I will start killing people. Ohhh and whoever said that thing about eveloution just relize EVOLUTION STOPPED A LONG TIME AGO!!!!!!!!! The weak flourish in our society even those who can not walk or even move most parts of there body live and reproduce. If all the weak or as I like to say evelutionary challenged died then evelution would continued
I have nothing against weak paople its just if we went back to a state without all these cushy luxuries then we would see that the weak would die out and the strong would live.... sorry but thats how it is
renryoku, or whatever, why do you think that you'd go out and start killing people if your higherself took over?
next: darwinism (which i'm pretty sure is what you meant when you said evolution) never really existed in all of nature (merely in parts), and evolution means nothing more than change.
~kakkarot
Hey 1Zenryoku, evolution is constantly happening as we speak. Everyday when we experience something, we are evolving. Everything on this earth are here for a reason; to teach us the lessons of life. Without these so called "evolutionary challenged" people, we won't get very far into the evolutionary process.
Just like the puzzle, if you miss one piece, it will never be complete. These "evolutionary challenged" people is the missing piece. Without them, we are missing out the complete picture. These people are part of life that can only help us transcend to the next level, not hinder us.
I recommend you reading this Chinese fable that Kenshi posted on the forum too:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10327
Chinese Fable
A water bearer in China had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a pole which he carried across his neck.
One pot had a crack in it, while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of water.
At the end of the long walk from the stream to the house, the cracked pot arrived only half full.
For a full two years this went on daily, with the bearer delivering only one and a half pots full of water to his house.
Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments, perfect for which it was made.
But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it was able to accomplish only half of what it had been made to do.
After 2 years of what it perceived to be a bitter failure, it spoke to the water bearer one day by the stream...
"I am ashamed of myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way back to your house."
The bearer said to the pot, "Did you notice that there were flowers only on your side of the path, but not on the other pot's side?
That's because I have always known about your flaw, and I planted flower seeds on your side of the path.. Every day while we walk back, you've watered them. For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to decorate the table.
Without you being just the way you are, there would not be this
beauty to grace the house."
Moral:
Each of us has our own unique flaws. We're all cracked pots. But it's the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You've just got to take each person for what they are, and look for the good in them.
Blessings to all my crackpot friends and relatives.
Why can't we just accept who they are, learn to live with them, and help them. They are as much as important to us as we are to them.
Enriku, or whatever, you must realize that evolution is not stopped it is just being stalled by our government. They do not want us to break their prison. They want us to continue being consumers and destroying our planet, so that they can have all of the power. "Power in the hands of a few" that is what they want.
We are all trapped in a prison that we can touch smell taste see and hear. Everyone is concerned with whats on the news, the stock market, the war in Iraq, and many other things, instead of asking ourselves why are we selling our lives and dreams to them for minimum wage. If anyone wants to know god. God is everything, he is this moment that we are given. This constant NOW!! that is always here. The evils of this world have put time on us as a lock. Just because then happened doesn't mean now is any different. It is a time lock and that is what we are stuck in. This moment is blank, purposeless. No time to evovle we have to work and be a slave to society. EVOLUTION IS BREAKING FREE OF THESE WEIGHTS THAT WE ALL BEAR. IT IS THE AGE OF US STANDING UP FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN. AND UNTIL WE DO OUR RACE IS DOOMED AND WE WILL NEVER EVOLVE.
THINK FOR YOURSELF, QUESTION AUTHORITY, STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, BE HEARD, OTHERWISE WE WILL CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD, AND I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT ROAD LEADS!
OKAY YALL!!!!
LETS PLEASE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THE GIANT GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY THEORY.... IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE GOVERNMENT GO AND MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT... OKAY....
Oh yeah evolution did exist at one time when the weak died out and only the strong were allowed to reproduce. now that there weak people flourishing there are to many bad genetic traits that outweigh the good ones..... ha
so did anyone come here to discuss 2012
Hey 1Zenryoku, i'm sorry if my earlier post sounded mean. It wasn't intended to be that way. All I was trying to say was that these "evolutionary challenged" people are not the problem. The problem is EVERYONE; even you and me.
Everyday, we see people throwing trashes on the ground. We see cars giving off smokes whenever we drive. And not to mention all those machines and devices that we buy from those factories that dump wastes that would create more pollution to our planet. Adding to that, each and everyone of us has problems dealing with fear, greed, hate, and the likes. If we were to blame something, we should blame those problems; not the "evolutionary challenged" people. Those problems are the reasons why we do not seem to be evolving.
Let me digress a bit, since we are talking about evolution, let me define my term of evolution. My definition of evolution is 'the change in the human consciousness'. When we experience something, and understand it, and learn from it, we are evolving. But i'm assuming you think evolution in terms of gaining more power(i.e. stronger body, higher endurance, etc...)?
I'm guessing that you would like the drastic change in evolution, but by eliminating these people, you will not get the problem out of the way. You will still have people who hate, people who fear, people who are greedy, and people who destroy the earth slowly with their wastes. In my opinion, for us to drastically evolve, everyone has to change their habits, lifestyles, and the ways of thinking. For there to have any changes, we must change ourselves first. But then again,i find that we are evolving everyday; just slowly.
Why do we need to rid of them when they are not the problem? Like i said before, we should just accept who they are, learn to live with them, and help them.[:)]
When 2012 comes, i dont think the weak will die off. I think they will live. When Mayatnik said that the service to self will die and the service to others will live, he wasn't refering to the weak or the strong. Mayatnik was refering to those who are willing to help others (i.e. Helping the disabled *hint*hint[:)]) and those who only help themselves. But let us forget about this whole poleshift and/or 2012 thing for now. Who knows if it is real or not. We should just live our everyday lives without worrying about the future and what happens. Live in the present, and learn to change ourselves by living through it and experiencing it. And in that we are evolving, IMO.
Peace.
LittleNinja:
When 2012 comes, i dont think the weak will die off. I think they will live. When Mayatnik said that the service to self will die and the service to others will live, he wasn't refering to the weak or the strong. Mayatnik was refering to those who are willing to help others (i.e. Helping the disabled *hint*hint) and those who only help themselves.
When you say that these things are stated by Mayatnik you also suggest that its because of selfish reasons that its stated. The reason he states this is not of selfish reasons. If you had read in the Reptilian threads in the Communication section, you would see that this subject have been covered by use of channeling by others too and in fact confirming what he states. I have channeled the information, and i am in no way in the need of the help that your implying and the same goes for Mayatnik. I deliver information through channeling with the help of my Pleiadian guide, who makes it possible by providing the telepathic connection as well as confirming the correctness of the relayed information. Also the sources here being the Reptilians confirm to whether its correct, and if they want the channeled information posted. You can read of the channeled information that confirms what Mayatnik says about Service to self and Service to others here:
Channeled information on Service to self and Service to other (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9466&whichpage=4)
If you were to look outside this forum, you would see that Nancy Lieder from zetatalk mentions similar things about Service to self and Service to others.
LittleNinja:
But let us forget about this whole poleshift and/or 2012 thing for now. Who knows if it is real or not. We should just live our everyday lives without worrying about the future and what happens. Live in the present, and learn to change ourselves by living through it and experiencing it. And in that we are evolving, IMO.
As i understand it, this thread was to discuss things regarding 2012. To discuss the poleshift here which by some could be assosiated with 2012 as a precursor, i dont see a problem with either. I dont see how its helpful to just state that we should forget it, as this may be relevant for some people to talk about. The thread should be open to contributions that has something to do with the topic of the thread, and not just closed down because people think it isnt interesting for them or the like. 1Zenryoku makes an excellent point:
so did anyone come here to discuss 2012.
Light and Compassion
Fuzziwig
Thanks Fuzziwig...
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Originally posted by 1Zenryoku
Oh yeah evolution did exist at one time when the weak died out and only the strong were allowed to reproduce. now that there weak people flourishing there are to many bad genetic traits that outweigh the good ones.
Ahhhh...the weak dying so the strong may live. Hitler and others had that same mentality.
Problem is who shall decide who's weak and strong? How bout saying whites are strong and that other races are weak? No, that would be politically incorrect. How bout physical disability? That would get rid of a lot of people depending on the range of disabled people. People like me who have hearing aides would be up for extermination, as would people like steven hawking despite the fact that he's a genius.
We could say that the strong are those who follow certain social standards....problem is each society has different standards.
As far as service to self dying off...who gets to judge that?
Jessica
Me of course....(just kidding)
Actually I believe in natural selection....
if you all know what that means..
HOW HARD IS IT???
HIS NAME IS 1ZENRYOKO!!
Come on now..
-Aries
Awwe.... i wrote something and it got erased. I'll reply later when i have the time. Until then.
Peace.
I agree with the weak and the strong theory. Except not to the extent that some may believe. I believe that we live in a natural world and we should do things naturally. For instance, when a baby is born it should be able to function on its own without assistance from machinery. Hell, it worked for the Spartans. They had one of the strongest races on Earth for a time. They were just outnumbered and eventually integrated into the Romans. People who are on life support and clinically brain dead should be let go because all it is doing is wasting resources for the living. I agree with saving people who have a chance to live but not just keeping people alive so their family can see them with a million tubes coming out of them.
Also I don't believe that the mentally handcapped should be able to reproduce. It isn't natural. I believe that the weak should be allowed to live but they should be sterilized. In the wild the weak die and the strong survive. We should follow the same rules of life. I mean eventually all of this will disappear and we will return to the wild anyway. If all of this 2012 happens and society is ripped asunder and forced to start all over do you really think that the strong will let the weak breed with the best women or men. Hell no! It isn't natural. Even in an enlightened society the most enlightened will realize this and not let the weak contaminate their society. They will love them but they will not reproduce with them. Seriously, would you reproduce with someone that has a background so obviously devoid of useful DNA that you would risk the chance of having your children stricken with the same ailments. You know have your children born with heart problems, brain malfunctions, arthritis, diabetes, etc. Are you that cruel to let that happen to your own children. That is why we have these natural laws in place and that is why we should obey them. It is the best for the children, the future.
Also about the thing that LittleNinja said about evolution being that we only get stronger and higher endurance is ridiculous. We are actually weaker then the species that we originated from. We are only smarter and able to utilize tools better.
Khuli I couldn't agree more.....
Ohhh and aries if you are curious about my name
Get a japanese dictionary
Zenryoku- All of ones power
Fuzziwig:
Fuzziwig, i think you might have misinterpretted what i was trying to say. I wasn't trying to debunked anyone or saying that they are a liar, or saying that you needed any help. All i was trying to say was that the poleshift/2012 is not about the weak dying and the strong may live. I just wanted 1zenryoku to understand that maybe it's different. Maybe it's about willing to sacrifice oneself for another, or not sacrificing at all. Maybe those that won't help others will be sent to another place? And those that do, will stay? Maybe? Also when i mentioned Mayatnik, i was only trying to reference who said what.
I think i know the reason why you thought i was calling you guys selfish, it's this part here:
"Mayatnik was refering to those who are willing to help others (i.e. Helping the disabled *hint*hint) and those who only help themselves."
If you take away the word 'who' in bolded letters out, you would get a different interpretation from what i was trying to say. In the sentence with the word 'who' in it, i was differentiating between service-to-self and service-to-others. In the sentence without the word 'who' in it, i was saying service-to-others are people that only help themselves(a.k.a. selfish). I'm guessing that when you read my post you somehow skipped over that word.(I do that sometimes too. hehe.)
Now onto the next point. Okay... I guess i should get yelled at for this becuase i had forgotten what this thread was all about at the moment. In the mist of trying to show 1zenryoku my side of the coin, i had forgotten that this thread was about 2012/poleshift. I was only trying to show 1zenryoku that if such scenerio were to happen, it would be better off forgetting about. Too much negative thoughts are bad for your body and mind. But that is just my opinion, and people can do whatever they please.[:)]
Follower of the Khuli, you said:
"I believe that we live in a natural world and we should do things naturally."
- In a natural world you can see defects everywhere; in the plants, animals, and humans. Why is it not normal to include these people as the norm? They are as natural as us.
"People who are on life support and clinically brain dead should be let go because all it is doing is wasting resources for the living."
- And yet everyday people eat and throw food away. How much of that could be used to help the poor, the homeless, and the hungered?
"I agree with saving people who have a chance to live but not just keeping people alive so their family can see them with a million tubes coming out of them."
- But don't you think that maybe by keeping these people alive like that can teach those families a lesson or two about love? Won't it help them gain more understanding of life, and learn how it is to truely care for someone who has problems? Life is a playground where people can learn from experiences. These people are a part of those experiences.
"Also I don't believe that the mentally handcapped should be able to reproduce. It isn't natural. I believe that the weak should be allowed to live but they should be sterilized."
- Why shouldn't they be able to reproduce? They are *NATURAL* just like you and me. This world is not perfect, and to be perfect is to be *UNNATURAL*.
"In the wild the weak die and the strong survive."
- That is why we are here for,to help people who are not capable of living on their own.
"If all of this 2012 happens and society is ripped asunder and forced to start all over do you really think that the strong will let the weak breed with the best women or men. Hell no!"
- If you had followed that thread, you should also know that those with interests only for themselves will be sent to another place, and those of service for others will stay. And what makes you think the weak men/women won't be able to breed with best men/women when that time comes along?:)
"Even in an enlightened society the most enlightened will realize this and not let the weak contaminate their society."
- yes they will realize it, but they don't go to the extreme and exterminate them. They will *HELP* the misinformed.
"Seriously, would you reproduce with someone that has a background so obviously devoid of useful DNA that you would risk the chance of having your children stricken with the same ailments. You know have your children born with heart problems, brain malfunctions, arthritis, diabetes, etc. Are you that cruel to let that happen to your own children."
-If i love that person deeply then i would. If i love to have my children to experience life from a different perspective, then i would. Why should we try to stop something that is so *NATURAL*? Why should we set limitations upon ourselves just because society labels it that way? Whose to say what is weak or strong? Whose to say what is cruel or uncruel? As a matter of fact i think it is beneficial to have had that experience.
"It is the best for the children, the future."
- What is best for every soul is to experience the different aspects of life; be it good or bad.
"Also about the thing that LittleNinja said about evolution being that we only get stronger and higher endurance is ridiculous. We are actually weaker then the species that we originated from. We are only smarter and able to utilize tools better."
- Follower of the Khuli, i said that because it was the impression i got from 1Zenryoku's other posts. It was my 'assumption'. I was also hinting for a response from 1zenryoku about his theory of evolution. He could have said "no" to my assumptions about his evolution theory and say i was wrong, but he never did.
Okay that is all.[:)]
Peace.
I would just like to add a reminder to some not to simply post what we call "one liners", which can be classified as any post which can be read by even the least literate person in under 30 seconds. If you really have something you need to say, then say it. Dress it up a little. Simply saying, "I agree" is not a full post. With what do you agree? Who are you agreeing with? What is your view if slightly altered? (You cannot be the exact same!)
Just wanted to let you all know what is being frowned upon these days... again.
~Squeek
PS - I don't want to "prohibit you" per se from making a one-line post, as it can be acceptable in certain situations. But repeated one-liners look like you're just going for increased post count and not even reading the topic.
I feel it is partly my fault that this thread has strayed away from it's topic. Je suis désolé. I am sorry. Let us start over with a few questions.
What do you guys think will happen in 2012? If what was talked about by the zetas are true, how do you guys prepare for the disaster?
For me, it doesn't matter really. I'll just go on living the way i am living right now until the time comes. What happen will happen; there's no point in worrying. I'm just enjoying life.[:)]
The thought of preparing for the disaster does sound good; great if you do prepare. But i'm the lazy kind of guy; always leave it till the last minute.[:I]
Later for now.
Peace.
PS. 1Zenryoku, please don't take anything i said personal. I was only expressing my views. Write whatever you want and say whatever you want. It's the only way we both will learn.
I'm sorry but right now I'm a bit too lazy to read the whole thread. So what I'm going to do is jump in right here. Hah now I'm in the conversation. Xander,(You might have already done this?) lighten up. I crave anime and can't stop watching it. I have yet to see a anime with anything to do with 2012. For that matter. There isn't even a anime that deals with doomsday. So get a new way to bash the people who believe in 2012. Better yet apply actual information to the post or get out.
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There isn't even a anime that deals with doomsday
you have got to be joking
doomsday is a recurring theme throughout many many many anime
What about AKIRA?
Hmmmmmm yes I suppose dragon ball Z is one. Then again I don't really like DBZ.Anyway there is no type of demon war anime so I don't know how our imaginations are pulling crap out of thin air. It is a theory on many sites including this one.
hello people. this is what i 'think' will happen in 2012. key word 'think'. i did some studying up on ancient cultures like the mayans and atlantis, and i have come to a understanding of what the mayans think will happen. in 2012 we will cross dimentions and become 4d instead of 3d{dont know how or why} and the demons are going to think we are invading and attack us because they live in the 4 dimention. dont know exactly what will come of this 'if' and i mean 'if' this happens. who knows maybe we will become planetary defenders and or invaders.[:D]
anyways we shouldn't worry about the future, we should worry about today and what will happen if we dont go eat right now...[:D]
see ya in the next post.[:D]
and for the reference, the year 2012 come on the chinese year for the dragon, and in christian beliefs the dragon represents demons and devils. i think people just elaborated on this coincendence if you ask me.
I have nothin against little Ninja but I have my views of 2012 as being a Chance for the strong to rise against Demons The weak will either die in the merger or be killed by demons.
(a man on cruches can't out run a demon)
i think that 2012 is just a coincendence for what people will force them selves to believe in order to get on with thier lives...{i have nothing against people or this belief as i do believe in this as well} i am sorry if i have upset anyone by my comment.
The year 2013 is going to be a very interesting year for one main reason. All those who believed in this 2012 stuff are going to have to do some serious thinking about what they choose to believe in when nothing happens.
It will be like a huge mass Belief-system cleanse for the whole New Age industry. [:)]
i for one cannot wait for that to happen.
Jessica
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Originally posted by McArthur
The year 2013 is going to be a very interesting year for one main reason. All those who believed in this 2012 stuff are going to have to do some serious thinking about what they choose to believe in when nothing happens.
It will be like a huge mass Belief-system cleanse for the whole New Age industry. [:)]
just think of something right now....anything.....*poofff*...there is what people will believe....aka anything.
People really are cold about this sort of thing arn't they. The human race has always been arogant in stuborn havn't they. Oh well.
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Originally posted by Clow
People really are cold about this sort of thing arn't they. The human race has always been arogant in stuborn havn't they. Oh well.
Oh yes! so arrogant because not all of wish to partake in the delusions of others. You have yours I have mine, so stop asking everyone else to agree to yours.
when 2013 comes you will be eating crow.
I can't beleive the demon warlord is ZI!!! especiall when thats teh name of a character from DRAGONBALLZ!!!
Jessica
I had an overactive imagination aswell when I was 13.
Zi is a character of Dragon Ball Z wow I didnt know that he must be of GT or in the really old sagas. I also am not saying people are arogant and stuborn because they won't believe me. That could lead people to believe that I am even more immature than a 13 year old. I'm saying that because whenever a invading belief comes in everyone gets so personal. This thread is bordering a flame just like many others that are about 2012. Can't people just listen for once before they attack the subject. Even if you made up your mind like I'm sure most of you had. You could try to come back with bare facts. Instead of flaming. I'm just mad because whenever we have a disscusion about 2012 it turns into a public tinkling contest(Thanks for putting the new phrase into my Vocabulary Tisha).
Hepaestus there really isn't anything to say to you. I mean I have tryed convincing people that I am not like the stereotype 13 year old. Such as I could tell you that I never have to study for a test and somehow always get a A+ on them. I could also tell you that I don't do all my homework to get average grades instead of skipping grades and losing them. However no matter how mature I am about things I will have that flaw of a overactive imagination.
I don't have one Hephaestus. Back when I believed I was a character from DBZ maybe I had one. But not today. Anyway I can see that this will probably turn into a flame post if I am present maybe I too strongly believe in 2012. So I will just be a observer of this post.
Hey Rhine Girl and all yall that came in here just to bash this thread why don't yall get the f*ck outa here!!!!!!!
Thats right I said it!!!! now carry your close minded a** out the F*ckin door you skeptical little B******
If I wanted your skepticism I would have made a thread that said "Those who wanna bash 2012" OKay!!! so go away!!!!!!!!!!!
why do you have to diss people
oh yeah and if 2012 doesn't happen the people that trained for it will be so strong if you talk Sh*t they will beat your little nerdy a**
DT
Sorry if I offended.... wait no I'm not...
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Threatening a girl with violence! No wonder Amerika is filled with so many boys and so few real men!!
I bet you like to fantasize about me....its a love hate relationship. LOL!
YOU are such a retard!
Jessica
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Originally posted by 1Zenryoku
Hey Rhine Girl and all yall that came in here just to bash this thread why don't yall get the f*ck outa here!!!!!!!
Thats right I said it!!!! now carry your close minded a** out the F*ckin door you skeptical little B******
If I wanted your skepticism I would have made a thread that said "Those who wanna bash 2012" OKay!!! so go away!!!!!!!!!!!
why do you have to diss people
oh yeah and if 2012 doesn't happen the people that trained for it will be so strong if you talk Sh*t they will beat your little nerdy a**
DT
Sorry if I offended.... wait no I'm not...
I was going to delete the posts that were getting out of hand..but there are too many, so I am locking this thread, for a reminder of what NOT to do, if you don't want your thread locked. [^]
Nay.
Please don't make anymore threads about this or you will get mine and your deleted and also keep what you have to say in here and no where else or we will be locked... Be nice!!!!!!!!!!!!! No being mean and no recruiting either or i will request it be deleted this is for calm discussion about training strategies and plans for 2012....please if you do not like what is being said here don't reply and don't try to disprove anyone else if any of these are violated i will contact a mod or Adrian himself if necessary.
Oh i forgot i can delete it if it gets crazy....
Anyways.. How do you plan to train how do you think it's gonna happen will you live who will die where set up a base for yourself do you have a theory okay enough questions how bout some answers.