The Return Of Jesus?

[Jenadots]

Hi, everyone.  I doubt if many Christians would buy into this new, modern version of Jesus Christ.  Not even those of us who think the Virgin Birth and other aspects of his life have been mythologized in an attempt to bring in the pagans and gentiles of the time.

I would like to see the books the Nicean Council refused to allow in the New Testament as well as a new translation of the oldest of them without the editorializing and omissions.  

Ever wonder what documents the Vatican has in its many vaults?  They need to let those be seen and translated.  

I do think writings can be divinely inspired although sorting out whose really are and whose are just someone saying so is difficult.

The real issue is:  what has the ring of truth to it, deep down in both your gut and your mind and emotions?  

Sounds like this new council of scholars are trying to water down Jesus Christ into someone politically correct and acceptable, someone so ordinary that no one would find much reason to put any faith in him or his teachings.  

I think there is/was much more to him than that.  I don't know the truth of it, but it doesn't appear that they do either.  They may be right on the mythologized aspects, but not on other things.  

It is an interesting debate...Thanks for the good reading...Jena

[Kazbadan]

Hi Douglas!
Have you ever read the Gospel of Tomas? I found it on the net since it is dificult to find in librarys (at least here in Portugal). But my last hard disk as make a "buumm!", so i lost it.

Well, anyway, i think that in part your are correct.After reading the "kicked" (by the Church) the refered Gospel and other Gospels, the main impression that i have it is that Jesus as been in contact with Oriental/budhist religions. In the gospel there is not almost any reference to God. The importance of "ilumination" or "Heaven" or "kingdom of God" (dont know wich is the best phrase) it is put in the man itself. There are many interesting concepts in the gospel. It is very beatiful! If you can, search it in the net and read it.

[Aileron]

I enjoy learning about all of your ideas on the ideals of messiah. Born unto the ideas we feed from, our true form formed from all aspects as one. I hope nobody finds the answer yet, it would be no fun.


"I had a dream the other day
in which my birth led to the grave.
It was a wonderful thing I think,
to have had something in such a wonderful way
but the faces peering out from the womb
also lay with me in the casket.

I felt the breath of stone flowers in bloom
but in the metal reflection of motion
my pace in swift speed
my pace in swift time
all round the edge of haste
in the kiss across my spine
and the lesser of two evils shine
in blossomes of the shade
in beacons across the belt of time
these spaces relentless of absence
pretense to the stress of muscle memory
torn back into a precept of sense
into a pretense of perception

I had a dream the other day
in which my death led to the womb
it was a wonderful thing I think
to have had something in such a wonderful way
but the faces that lay with me
and the faces peering down upon me
are such expressions of myself
and myself in the reflection of my sea"

[Sabastiel]

I was just curious, with all the upcoming propechies and end times, does anyone have any input on the return of jesus? I just thought I wouls start a thread that was actually looking forward to the good parts of the coming prophecies and not just all that evil crap that everyone is talking about!