Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Nagual on October 19, 2003, 23:33:01
Post by: Nagual on October 19, 2003, 23:33:01
What about people who can communicate with plants...?
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: cainam_nazier on October 20, 2003, 04:35:03
Post by: cainam_nazier on October 20, 2003, 04:35:03
I don't think that is so much that there are different types of telepathy it's more that certain people are better at understanding different kinds of thought. But I am willing to bet that if they put some effort into it that the above examples could learn to communicate with on all levels and not just with thier chosen type.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: PyroPsion69 on October 20, 2003, 18:20:12
Post by: PyroPsion69 on October 20, 2003, 18:20:12
I guess you could say telepathy could be subdivided, like Nazier said it has to do with types of thought. Like people for instance. Some people (like me) have feelings, and place words to those feelings, while others work the opposite, they think in words, and attach a feeling to them. I think it does make a difference from what I've experienced, I pick up better on "thoughfeelers" rather than "wordthinkers" (wow I feel special I just invented two words well not exactly)
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: beavis on October 20, 2003, 20:10:24
Post by: beavis on October 20, 2003, 20:10:24
I think telepathy to humans and animals is the same thing. I can do telepathy to things that arent alive and feel their shape. If I tell them to move, sometimes they do (telekinesis = telepathy).
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: PyroPsion69 on October 22, 2003, 17:43:37
Post by: PyroPsion69 on October 22, 2003, 17:43:37
Thats an interesting way of looking at it, but I guess the way I see it there is no medium to send across, I am just connected to the psiwheel so there is no need to tell it anything. At least I try to sometimes I end up yelling at it in my head (or physically depending on how ticked I am at the time)[:(!]
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Celeste on October 22, 2003, 19:11:11
Post by: Celeste on October 22, 2003, 19:11:11
I've never thought about 2 separate types of telepathy? some find it easier to connect telepathicly with animals and with plants than with people. I find that easier & I have more affinity for certain types of animals. maybe people are harder because most people have too much staticy thoughts which cause interference.
This is slightly different than telepathy---my mate & I seem to have some uncommon link. This is a little different than telepathy & has lead to some funny experiences. for eg. we used to find that if he smoked weed I'd get stoned. This was most evident when we were apart & I didn't know that he had --but suddenly my coordination etc..would be all off... Weird??!! It became an inside joke. [:)]
This is slightly different than telepathy---my mate & I seem to have some uncommon link. This is a little different than telepathy & has lead to some funny experiences. for eg. we used to find that if he smoked weed I'd get stoned. This was most evident when we were apart & I didn't know that he had --but suddenly my coordination etc..would be all off... Weird??!! It became an inside joke. [:)]
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: AndreaXYZ on October 24, 2003, 09:49:27
Post by: AndreaXYZ on October 24, 2003, 09:49:27
I think telepathy is always on, like the refridgerator motor we tune out when we are in the kitchen, though hear late at night when everyone else is sleeping.
My husband calls me every day to tell me what he's had for lunch, if he has gone to a restaurant because if he doesn't I will for some reason feel compelled to make the same thing for dinner, ready when he gets home.
A few weeks ago our power went out due to the hurricane so we camped out for a few days at my mom's house in another town.
The first night I had a dream that part of the tooth next to my top front on the right hand side broke off, in the dream I could feel it and see it in the mirror. It freaked me out to see this own jagged tooth because my teeth are in excellent shape, I have no crowns or fillings, or bridgework, just teeth. I was so upset in my dream that my tooth was ruined, I cried in my dream.
The next morning my mom told everyone that sometime during the night she lost her crown on the exact same tooth I had dreamt about...
My husband calls me every day to tell me what he's had for lunch, if he has gone to a restaurant because if he doesn't I will for some reason feel compelled to make the same thing for dinner, ready when he gets home.
A few weeks ago our power went out due to the hurricane so we camped out for a few days at my mom's house in another town.
The first night I had a dream that part of the tooth next to my top front on the right hand side broke off, in the dream I could feel it and see it in the mirror. It freaked me out to see this own jagged tooth because my teeth are in excellent shape, I have no crowns or fillings, or bridgework, just teeth. I was so upset in my dream that my tooth was ruined, I cried in my dream.
The next morning my mom told everyone that sometime during the night she lost her crown on the exact same tooth I had dreamt about...
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: dark dude on October 25, 2003, 11:20:52
Post by: dark dude on October 25, 2003, 11:20:52
well it think there is onley one kind, cause if u really think about it its all talking to atoms
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: beavis on October 25, 2003, 11:26:30
Post by: beavis on October 25, 2003, 11:26:30
PyroPsion Thats an interesting way of looking at it, but I guess the way I see it there is no medium to send across, I am just connected to the psiwheel so there is no need to tell it anything.
I agree there doesnt need to be a medium because my thoughts go directly there.
dark dude, do you think the only thing that exists is atoms (and their subparticles)?
I agree there doesnt need to be a medium because my thoughts go directly there.
dark dude, do you think the only thing that exists is atoms (and their subparticles)?
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Risu no Kairu on November 20, 2003, 16:15:00
Post by: Risu no Kairu on November 20, 2003, 16:15:00
Wait. Does it sound like their thinking voice, or like their speaking voice?
Because we all know our speaking and thinking voices are different.
Because we all know our speaking and thinking voices are different.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: fireprooflighter on November 20, 2003, 19:03:03
Post by: fireprooflighter on November 20, 2003, 19:03:03
quote:
Originally posted by Risu no Kairu
Wait. Does it sound like their thinking voice, or like their speaking voice?
Because we all know our speaking and thinking voices are different.
Does that make me a pysho? My speaking and thinking voice are almost exactly the same. And that tends to get me in trouble...[}:)]
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Risu no Kairu on November 21, 2003, 13:34:47
Post by: Risu no Kairu on November 21, 2003, 13:34:47
So, wait, you've recorded yourself talking and played it back to compare the two?
I mean, the voice you hear as you speak sounds different from what other people hear.
That's why when people record their voices they go "I sound like that?!"
Sure, the voice I hear come out of my head sounds like my thinking voice, but my voice, how others hear it, is completely different.
That's what I'm asking here. However, I think I asked the question in the wrong telepathy topic of mine. :/ Whoops.
I mean, the voice you hear as you speak sounds different from what other people hear.
That's why when people record their voices they go "I sound like that?!"
Sure, the voice I hear come out of my head sounds like my thinking voice, but my voice, how others hear it, is completely different.
That's what I'm asking here. However, I think I asked the question in the wrong telepathy topic of mine. :/ Whoops.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Nayru on November 22, 2003, 16:16:42
Post by: Nayru on November 22, 2003, 16:16:42
I'm in a bad mood so forgive me, but I have to say this.
Beavis, I have yet to see your first post which is not filled with crap. I have spared you from sharp remarks from my side because I thought you were not as fluff as you appeared to be.
Telepathy = Telekinesis? Come on, do your research! Every random idiot, even the ones who do not know about Psionics, perfectly well knows that Telepathy is communication without speaking words out loudly or using handmovements or written words, which means communication between minds, and that Telekinesis is the movement of objects without physically touching it. As far as I'm aware, there still has to be discoverd an object with a mind. Both are VERY different aspects of Psionics.
My conclusion is that you can do Telepathy nor Telekinesis, or else you would have known that. I'm not saying I'm AllKnowing, but I at least did my homework. Sure you never read any book covering subject as Telepathy and Psychokinesis, have you? You probably only checked Fluffistes like Kiwarrior.
Now, as to get back to the subject. I do not believe there are two different types of Telepathy, although some say Empathy is in fact Telepathy, but focused on emotions instead of the mind. I do not fully agree with that, but the why does not matter.
You seem to forget that humans are animals too and therefore cannot make difference between 'Animaltelepathy' and 'Humantelepathy'. Telepathy with animals may be what harder because the mind of an animal is not comparable with the human's. My cat loves Telepathy and keeps reminding me of being hungry. Humans tend to Send words instead of pictures, though my cat sends pictures, pictures seen by cateyes. Very weird and funny, and I sometimes have a hard time understanding what she means. Not that I pay attention to it, most of the time she's just begging for food. I don't know if I ever managed to get my message through, my Telepathy is not that good and the question is if she will understand me if she gets message.
Because of those personal experiences I have had with my cat, I do not believe there's some special kind of way needed to communicate with animals other than humans. Though opinions still tend to differ on that one.
Beavis, I have yet to see your first post which is not filled with crap. I have spared you from sharp remarks from my side because I thought you were not as fluff as you appeared to be.
Telepathy = Telekinesis? Come on, do your research! Every random idiot, even the ones who do not know about Psionics, perfectly well knows that Telepathy is communication without speaking words out loudly or using handmovements or written words, which means communication between minds, and that Telekinesis is the movement of objects without physically touching it. As far as I'm aware, there still has to be discoverd an object with a mind. Both are VERY different aspects of Psionics.
My conclusion is that you can do Telepathy nor Telekinesis, or else you would have known that. I'm not saying I'm AllKnowing, but I at least did my homework. Sure you never read any book covering subject as Telepathy and Psychokinesis, have you? You probably only checked Fluffistes like Kiwarrior.
Now, as to get back to the subject. I do not believe there are two different types of Telepathy, although some say Empathy is in fact Telepathy, but focused on emotions instead of the mind. I do not fully agree with that, but the why does not matter.
You seem to forget that humans are animals too and therefore cannot make difference between 'Animaltelepathy' and 'Humantelepathy'. Telepathy with animals may be what harder because the mind of an animal is not comparable with the human's. My cat loves Telepathy and keeps reminding me of being hungry. Humans tend to Send words instead of pictures, though my cat sends pictures, pictures seen by cateyes. Very weird and funny, and I sometimes have a hard time understanding what she means. Not that I pay attention to it, most of the time she's just begging for food. I don't know if I ever managed to get my message through, my Telepathy is not that good and the question is if she will understand me if she gets message.
Because of those personal experiences I have had with my cat, I do not believe there's some special kind of way needed to communicate with animals other than humans. Though opinions still tend to differ on that one.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Michael_E on November 22, 2003, 18:55:29
Post by: Michael_E on November 22, 2003, 18:55:29
quote:
Originally posted by Risu no Kairu
You think there are two types of telepathy? One where you can talk to people and one with animals?
Maybe that's why people can't read animals' minds, or why the Pet Psychic can't read peoples?
I think there are 5 types of telepathy, one for each physical sense.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: aleshah on November 23, 2003, 06:57:00
Post by: aleshah on November 23, 2003, 06:57:00
in the human body can be also three types of telepathy
stomach area very emotional
heart area emotioanl
head area close to mind
stomach area very emotional
heart area emotioanl
head area close to mind
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: KumaloWalkingTree on November 23, 2003, 08:38:05
Post by: KumaloWalkingTree on November 23, 2003, 08:38:05
Nayru...I would just like to add another perspective to what you have said regarding the difference between telekinesis and telepathy. While you have indeed defined the classical definition between telekinises and telepathy, i would suggest looking at it from another point of view as well.
All that Is, is energy, vibrating at many different levels. When one is utilizing telekinises, what is potentially occurring is a communication between my energy being and the energy being of what is moving. In a sense, we don't Will something to move, we ask it to move. While you might reply that this is not how people claim telekineses works, i would kindly remind you that our understanding of these things is very simple....we ALL have a long way to go in our understanding and spiritual development regarding this crazy and interesting realm we live in...and it does no one , neither you nor me, any good by putting down another persons ideas or ridiculing their relationship to All That Is.....
I understand we all have bad days, I sure can be a number one grump sometimes too... ;-)....just a gentle reminder.
kwt
All that Is, is energy, vibrating at many different levels. When one is utilizing telekinises, what is potentially occurring is a communication between my energy being and the energy being of what is moving. In a sense, we don't Will something to move, we ask it to move. While you might reply that this is not how people claim telekineses works, i would kindly remind you that our understanding of these things is very simple....we ALL have a long way to go in our understanding and spiritual development regarding this crazy and interesting realm we live in...and it does no one , neither you nor me, any good by putting down another persons ideas or ridiculing their relationship to All That Is.....
I understand we all have bad days, I sure can be a number one grump sometimes too... ;-)....just a gentle reminder.
kwt
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Nayru on November 23, 2003, 15:16:26
Post by: Nayru on November 23, 2003, 15:16:26
Hehe, thank you for your kind post, Kumalo, and of course you're right. I also apologize for my post to Beavis.
It is not the way of doing it that defines a skill, but the goal achieved with it. Using formula's to calculate the force on an object and the amount of energy going through a lamp in physics does not mean both are the same. The way of calculating may perhaps be the same (using formula's), but the goal itself not.
Every aspect of Psionics requires willpower, and most of the time Psi-energy. It is not a fact that energy is used in Telekinesis, it is an opinion, and that is why I will not go any further into that. I personally do not believe energy is used in Telekinesis, or not in the same was as for example Constructbuilding.
The definition of Telepathy, as I already said, is communication between minds. The definition of Telekinesis is movement of an object without physically touching it. Telepathy is done by visualization and willpower, and it also requires Linking with the person in question. Telekinesis also requires willpower and visalization, but not the same Linking as a Link between two persons. The goal of Telekinesis is moving an object, the goal of Telepathy is communication. Different goals, thus different aspects of Psionics. I'm sure you will laugh your butt off if someone would tell you: "I'm about to use Telekinesis to communicate over minds", as well as "I'm about to use Telepathy to move this book without touching it". Simply because Telepathy cannot be used for movement over distance, while Telekinesis cannot be used for communication. It is not the name that should be looked at, nor the technique, but the goal.
All Psionics subjects can be related to each other in some kind of way, but not all goals are the same, and to make things easy people have given names to the desired goals. Which is why Telepathy and Telekinesis are not the same thing. Translating Telekinesis and Telepathy will also get you very different meanings.
And now I would love to hear of all Telekinesis = Telepathy believers why they think both are the same.
I would love to add some more stuff but I really have to go.. If I remember everything I wanted to say tomorrow, then expect another post of mine. ^.^
It is not the way of doing it that defines a skill, but the goal achieved with it. Using formula's to calculate the force on an object and the amount of energy going through a lamp in physics does not mean both are the same. The way of calculating may perhaps be the same (using formula's), but the goal itself not.
Every aspect of Psionics requires willpower, and most of the time Psi-energy. It is not a fact that energy is used in Telekinesis, it is an opinion, and that is why I will not go any further into that. I personally do not believe energy is used in Telekinesis, or not in the same was as for example Constructbuilding.
The definition of Telepathy, as I already said, is communication between minds. The definition of Telekinesis is movement of an object without physically touching it. Telepathy is done by visualization and willpower, and it also requires Linking with the person in question. Telekinesis also requires willpower and visalization, but not the same Linking as a Link between two persons. The goal of Telekinesis is moving an object, the goal of Telepathy is communication. Different goals, thus different aspects of Psionics. I'm sure you will laugh your butt off if someone would tell you: "I'm about to use Telekinesis to communicate over minds", as well as "I'm about to use Telepathy to move this book without touching it". Simply because Telepathy cannot be used for movement over distance, while Telekinesis cannot be used for communication. It is not the name that should be looked at, nor the technique, but the goal.
All Psionics subjects can be related to each other in some kind of way, but not all goals are the same, and to make things easy people have given names to the desired goals. Which is why Telepathy and Telekinesis are not the same thing. Translating Telekinesis and Telepathy will also get you very different meanings.
And now I would love to hear of all Telekinesis = Telepathy believers why they think both are the same.
I would love to add some more stuff but I really have to go.. If I remember everything I wanted to say tomorrow, then expect another post of mine. ^.^
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Centa Five on November 23, 2003, 16:54:51
Post by: Centa Five on November 23, 2003, 16:54:51
I seem to have more luck reading animals than humans mainly because I read their emotions thru their body language which is not telepathy though, it's just being a trained observer. Differing telepathy patterns may relate to the difference in vibrational levels within differenct species, just guessing now.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: cainam_nazier on November 24, 2003, 16:31:06
Post by: cainam_nazier on November 24, 2003, 16:31:06
I think the whole confusion with telepathy and its possible various levels is simply one of how a person sends, receives, and translates information. Much the a person understands and translates standard communication, like when we are trying to learn something.
For instance, some people are visual learners. They learn the best when there is visual stimulus like charts, graphs, maps, hand outs, ects. Now if a visual learner is also a telepath then they would most likly send pictures and would in turn get greater understanding from pictures being sent to them.
To continue the on, there are also verbal learners. Those are the kind of people who will draw and do various other things while you are talking to them. That is because they learn the best through verbal communication and there for can do pretty much anything else as long as they can still hear what you are saying. These people as telepaths would most likly be better at sending and receiving voice.
Lastly you have your touch learners. They learn by hands on, by doing. Now this may sound like a stretch but I think I am right here on this one. I believe that these kinds of leaners as telepaths would be better at dealing with emotional content. This is because emotional content triggers a physical responce. That is why we laugh when we are happy, cry when we are sad, and feel like we weigh a ton when we are depressed.
Granted there are a few possible combinations with the various learning styles but I don't think I need to point them out. Anyhow, I believe that it is things like this that influence just how you send and receive information telepathicly and as such would influence who or what you can communicate with in that manner.
For instance, some people are visual learners. They learn the best when there is visual stimulus like charts, graphs, maps, hand outs, ects. Now if a visual learner is also a telepath then they would most likly send pictures and would in turn get greater understanding from pictures being sent to them.
To continue the on, there are also verbal learners. Those are the kind of people who will draw and do various other things while you are talking to them. That is because they learn the best through verbal communication and there for can do pretty much anything else as long as they can still hear what you are saying. These people as telepaths would most likly be better at sending and receiving voice.
Lastly you have your touch learners. They learn by hands on, by doing. Now this may sound like a stretch but I think I am right here on this one. I believe that these kinds of leaners as telepaths would be better at dealing with emotional content. This is because emotional content triggers a physical responce. That is why we laugh when we are happy, cry when we are sad, and feel like we weigh a ton when we are depressed.
Granted there are a few possible combinations with the various learning styles but I don't think I need to point them out. Anyhow, I believe that it is things like this that influence just how you send and receive information telepathicly and as such would influence who or what you can communicate with in that manner.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: beavis on November 24, 2003, 20:22:03
Post by: beavis on November 24, 2003, 20:22:03
Nayru Beavis, I have yet to see your first post which is not filled with crap. I have spared you from sharp remarks from my side because I thought you were not as fluff as you appeared to be.
Telepathy = Telekinesis? Come on, do your research! Every random idiot, even the ones who do not know about Psionics, perfectly well knows that Telepathy is communication without speaking words out loudly or using handmovements or written words, which means communication between minds, and that Telekinesis is the movement of objects without physically touching it. As far as I'm aware, there still has to be discoverd an object with a mind. Both are VERY different aspects of Psionics.
I did not mean they have the same effect. I meant they can be done the same way. If you try to communicate telepathically with a psi wheel, that can cause it to move. If you try to do telekinesis on a person, you can sometimes read their mind.
My posts appear to be "crap", probably because you dont have enough energy or experience to understand what I write.
Telepathy = Telekinesis? Come on, do your research! Every random idiot, even the ones who do not know about Psionics, perfectly well knows that Telepathy is communication without speaking words out loudly or using handmovements or written words, which means communication between minds, and that Telekinesis is the movement of objects without physically touching it. As far as I'm aware, there still has to be discoverd an object with a mind. Both are VERY different aspects of Psionics.
I did not mean they have the same effect. I meant they can be done the same way. If you try to communicate telepathically with a psi wheel, that can cause it to move. If you try to do telekinesis on a person, you can sometimes read their mind.
My posts appear to be "crap", probably because you dont have enough energy or experience to understand what I write.
Title: Two types of telepathy?
Post by: Risu no Kairu on October 19, 2003, 13:38:03
Post by: Risu no Kairu on October 19, 2003, 13:38:03
You think there are two types of telepathy? One where you can talk to people and one with animals?
Maybe that's why people can't read animals' minds, or why the Pet Psychic can't read peoples?
Maybe that's why people can't read animals' minds, or why the Pet Psychic can't read peoples?