Theres no proof because its not real, its a belief. I can't stand the countless people who come on claiming they are some special privelaged being who instinctivly know about "the demon war", just because they have seen it somwehere in another post.
I'm in a debating mood as my jyana yoga studies are kicking in. Logic, I propose that all views of reality are just a belief with the only proof to support them being other beliefs. None of them are real as in being absolutely real...
Now, it may just be me surmising what The Founder is saying, but I had the impression that he had some innate knowledge of this war and that this has lead The Founder to look for others with similar views and not the other way arround.
As for "weird" things happening, it has been my experience that the more I seek things out the more I am proned to noticing things that I had not before. Perhaps, I would be in a better position to "objectively" observe these shifts if I was not at the same time actively working toward creating shifts in my reality. I would say all of my life has been surreal...
How can nothing actually change? Are we to say that all things are permanent and unchanging? What do you mean by saying things appear twisted or distorted?
Round and round we go, where we stop:
OK this is good, a very promising start here. You have shown both sceptisism and open mindedness. I was prepared to be accused of only believing in the war because I had picked up on rumors elsewhere, and my responce is this, although I have searched for explanations for what I know the fact remains that I have always known about the war, yes instinctivly.. do I feel priveliged? Cursed,would perhaps be a better term. I do not wish to seem holier than thou about this but I have discovered much about the war from both looking within myself and comparing it to what others have revealed to me.
Logic, I feel enclinced to ask you.. Why do you think there are so many people claiming to know about the war? Why do you assume that they are ALL fakes? I can't change your beliefs but I can offor the truth as I have found it and hope you take what I say into consideration. Regardless of what you believe there is a major confrontation on the horizon and if you refuse to accept it that does not make it any less true. You must keep an open mind to all things, you want evidence? when you find me evidence for AP or OBE I will find you evidence of the war. You simply cannot find physical evidence for a none physical matter, and I would if I could. All I can say is that I am clearly not the first to speak of the war here and I am definitly not the only one here who feels it coming, if you seek proof then look around. The psychic comminity had lighten up in recent times and its all coming to a head soon.
I ask only that you all consider this to be possible, if you can all just accept the possibility that there is a war on the way then I will have done what I came here to do. If anyone wishes to know more of what I have discovered about the war then please PM me and I will tell you what I can. I will also reply to any messages in this thread for a while. Thankyou for your patience.
The Founder
How will I know when the merge happens? Is this the same thing as the suppossed transition to 4th density? How would one be lost in the transition? If there is a war, what is the average joe suppossed to do? Will we all fight or are there only a few that will be fighting?
Are there any signs that will be pointing the way? If so, have some occurred already and what are they?
What should one do in order to prepare for this?
I guess that is good enough for now. I'm sure I will have more questions.
Well I'll admit to the feelings of incessant de-ja-vu and "something's not right" occasionaly, but mankind I'm sure has been having those feelings for centuries upon centuries. What makes you think that this period is different? Have you actually seen physical changes or is it all an innate feeling inside you? Cause I'll tell you one thing (and I know this from experience), the mind is a powerful thing. Once you really start to believe in something, your perceptions and assimilation of those perceptions will snowball into affirming and reaffirming what you believe.
For example, I was talking to one person who was a diehard believer in reptilians and he used a quote from a tv program out of context to try and prove his point. Even though it made no sense to an outsider, to him it did and it reinforced his beliefs.
Of course, at the same time, you can't just not believe in something out of fear of it not being true and you getting deluded, but at the same time, do you have any reason to believe in this war besides your gut and everyone else's "I think the world is going to end now" notion that has litterally been going on for thousands of years?
LOL! Ok, I'll try to tackle this as best as I can..
How will I know when the merge happens?
The merge is always happening but there will come a day when the veil just cannot sustain itself anymore and it will fall. We will merge completely with the astral and become astrophysical, What this will be like I cannot even imagine, but it will be unlike anything you can think of. Just prepare for anything and more.
Is this the same thing as the suppossed transition to 4th density?
I have been informed of this theory and yes, as far as I can tell it apears to be the same thing, I am also aware that this will mark the interaction with aliens, this too fits in nicely. You see most other alien cultures would probably come from worlds where there is no veil in place and so they would be astrophysical. Scince our planes have been seperated into astral and physical they would be unable to make direct contact with us untill the veil falls.
How would one be lost in the transition?
I should have explained that more clearly to begin with. If you do not have a strong mind then I would imagne the inability to adapt to the dramatic shift in enviroment would force you to trap yourself in yuor own world. Convincing yourself things are going on as usuakl and ignoring the various threats around you. This is only as thery but I have had it for a long time and it seems logical. If you cant accept just an amazing new world you would trick your mind into not being able to see it. Either way you MUST be fully prepared for the merging, I can't stress that enough.
If there is a war, what is the average joe suppossed to do?
Good question, while the godsent forces try to counter this threat there will be an otherkin army (these would be those of you who have felt the 'calling' to fight that I have described) They will probably be protecting the weaker humans who cannot fight for themselves. The godsent forces may be stronger but they are fewer so its always gonna be a problem when demons slip through the net and get to the humans. If you wish to fight then I suggest you begin training your mind and soul and try charging a weapon to aid you. It's still a big risk though.
Will we all fight or are there only a few that will be fighting?
You all have the option but those who feel the caaling will probably be expected to do so, In either case... it's up to you.
Are there any signs that will be pointing the way?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this but I have heard a rumor that we will all be forced to AP the night the veil falls and we will meet and be arranged into armys and teams. Probably organised by the angels or whatever. Other than that you just follow your heart, do what you desire to do but just make sure your on the right side, it's easy to be manipulated.
If so, have some occurred already and what are they?
Again, I'm not quite sure by what you mean here.. if you mean are there any signs for the falling of the veil occuriong? Then yeah, plenty. I have seen many people come to me asking for answers to explain that 'spinning sensation' I mentioned in the atticle and I have seen many other warrior preparing for the war. most of which were just as suprised as me to see that it is widly known and not just something they were the only ones to know of. Also, I forget how long ago, but.. the demons busted a small hole through the veil and unleashes an astral squadren to watch the humans and no some reconiasonce on their defences. These are harmless though and are just here to watch us, but I remember how messenger that I was on at the time simultaniously lit up as litereally dozens of people came on asking if anyone else felt it. My good friend Chamuel said he saw the angels crying and it seems that everybody who is remotely sensative to the astral became aware of it. This ould have been, ooh, maybe 4 or 5 months back.. I ahve terrible estimation though so I'm probably wrong, lol. So yeah there are many signs that the merging aproaches besides ordinary feelings of anticipation or that something is on its way.
What should one do in order to prepare for this?
Everything. you can't do enough, martial arts, meditation, spiritual practises. I'm not sure if it is possible to be completely prepared for just a drastic event but you must still try. As I mentioned earlier try charging a weapon so it has astral qualitys and I suggest you try some kind of dicipline training. Anything that can help make this easier for you. What aproaches is gonne be big and I can only make you aware of it, I am powerless to stop it though, as much as I would like to. So be prepared, thats all I can say. Just to make something clear, I don't just have vaigue feeling about the war, I have always blatently KNOWN about it, scince childhood, and it has nothing to do with fly-by-night rumors as I only discovered others knew about it last year. Yes we have always had these odd sensations and feelings but never to this intencity. In recent times these things are far more common and seem to be stronger as well.
Again thankyou for your patience.
The Founder
it seems tha DBZ'rs have evolved a bit. Their websites are looking more "genuine" ("brief but accurate")
especially with the nice waterfall and all.
Im still notso inclined to believe ppl how walys pmispeall wrods buecase tehy mkae no scents and I tanc derustnad dem
--THE FOUNDER--
is the only reason the "article" on "the war of the souls" so accurate because YOU WOOTRE IT? or would it be as accurate if say, I wrote it?
tiuq lobwnig oury now rnoh
Yes very mature there... well done. I appologise for my rushed typing and I am glad you subtely pointed that out. I dont watch the dragon ball cartoon and I don't care if you don't believe me, I only care if you do. I'm not here to convince you but to warn you. I will offor any more info that I can do but I won't talk to childish people with closed minds.
The Founder
Subtle like an atom bomb ***boom((88888
but how can you expect anyone to take yourself seriously if your only "information" is made by yourself?
I mean there is "substance" to the whole war thing.
but you shouldn't live inthe future, you shouldn't waste your time "preparing" for the war, you should try and PREVENT IT.
You should try and change the living conditions HERE AND NOW.
what good is training to be a holy warrior, if you don't try and change the way things are in the present?
and I can see my own faults, they are always evident,
can't you see the similiarities between your belief structure/ki-training/DBZ/website and ALL of the other ones that everybody has already heard about (over and over and over again) (andagain) to the death of it all
I want the world to change, but no demon war from the 4th density will cause this, and I think many gifted psychics and spritiualist are often throwing away their own dignity and become hypocritical simply by suscribing to such a usless and complety non-benificial belief.
having a premonition of somthing horrible to come is often a stressfull and emotionally draining experience. I would hope one would try and PREVENT the event (rhymaster) from happening, instead of preparing for when it happens.
and don't say its not preventable, thats a cop-out.
ahh dang, I don't even know why I get involved.
This is so tedious. Maybe if everyone just stops paying attention, all the radki / demon war people will go away.
Yes that's right, just ignore a problem and it always goes away doesn't it? If you don't believe me then fine but what good does acting like that do anybody? Try adding a counter-oppinion like Volcomestone just did. I told you that I am aware I ahve no evidence and I would like to stress that I do not expect anybody to believe me, I accept that what I say is unlikely and hard to swallow.
Volcomestone, do you not think I ahve both tried and considered preventing the war? I am even working on a plan as we speak, but Im not gonna refuse to prepare because of it. The veil was only temporary and WILL fall cos it has simply outlived itself. It possibly can be recreated after but thats much further down the line. I WILL train for the war because I don't intend to just sit here and watch innocent people get hurt.
The Founder
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Originally posted by The Founder
Yes that's right, just ignore a problem and it always goes away doesn't it? If you don't believe me then fine but what good does acting like that do anybody? Try adding a counter-oppinion like Volcomestone just did. I told you that I am aware I ahve no evidence and I would like to stress that I do not expect anybody to believe me, I accept that what I say is unlikely and hard to swallow.
Volcomestone, do you not think I ahve both tried and considered preventing the war? I am even working on a plan as we speak, but Im not gonna refuse to prepare because of it. The veil was only temporary and WILL fall cos it has simply outlived itself. It possibly can be recreated after but thats much further down the line. I WILL train for the war because I don't intend to just sit here and watch innocent people get hurt.
The Founder
Theres no need to restate any counter-opinion which I have already gone over in the past. Where exactly do you people think you are getting this information from?
Someone should make a demon war forum, so that the posts arent scattered all over the rest of the forums.
When, in the history of man, hasn't there been war? Always with us one way or another. Seems to be inherent in our nature.
So to predict a war -- is, not exactly news. Of course, there will be war somewhere.
And right now, there seems to be a whole lot of people in the world just itching for one big one. I might add these are mostly men, but some women too.
And people, many innocent and good people, will die in it. The when or the whys don't matter. Ordinary people will suffer and suffer greatly.
And yes, we, collectively, do have the technology to destroy every living thing on the planet. Some leaders might even be arrogant enough to use some of those weapons whether they be biological, chemical or nuclear. Somehow, it doesn't occur to them that they also could die from a retaliatory strike.
Now, if you could come up with a way to prevent wars of all kinds, that would really be something to report.
Hmmm, to be honest, I have taken a look at your site "The Founder" before you even came onto this board. I think it was on the veritasacademy where I first heard of you, or perhaps another board like ki-teachings.com
Anyways....
I have looked at your site, and you speak of the elven race being in this war also, and will be fighting for the side of "neutrality".
Now, if you may not know... there is a thread in this forum called "The Year 2004: The Prediction" that was started by some guy named Oazaki.
Now... he says he is an elf. Take a look at this post http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=9034&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=oazaki+elf somewhere in there he explains that he is an elf.... now I haven't really read that thread, in fact, I found out he was an elf when I read a signature that said "Wait wait wait.... So not only does Oazaki rule the universe and have complete power over god, satan and all the demons, angels etc etc.... but he's also an elf????????" on the occultforums. I dont think he ever claimed to have power over "God" but he says that we are all God, realizing this, and developing your spirit increases your manifesting, and creation abilities. So we are manifestors in this whole universe, the universal mind... we are all part of it. I think the one God who is the universal mind, is that, "God" that is responsible for the whole unvierse, but I don't like the word "God" just, the source, which is the natural essence of the universe, like an energy all by itself, which is the manifesting.. the creative energy.
So, I am putting together this puzzle, of things I have been reading on spirituality, on the things to come in the future, and I went to go searching for where he says he is an elf. Thats where I got the above link.
Now.... he is "aligned" with what you say. You say elves are going to be fighting for neutrality... Oazaki has also said of a war to come including beings from higher realms, angels, demons, aliens, and humans, and also the "earth" with her catastrophic natural disasters. SO.... what also intrigues me, is that.... he is ALSO spreading the idea of incorporating both, good and evil, light, and dark into your being, and to not deny both sides of the reality of the universe we live in. To incorporate both duals. That MUST be the neutrality that you are talking about.
I myself beleive in the coming war which you speak of. I have read about it countless number of times before, I denied it at first, then I realized the truth in it, and still denied it, then did my own research, then did soem more of my own research, my intuition guided me to the right information, on, thnigs to happen in the physical reality, regaurding natural disasters, and also the war in the coming future, and they are all aligned. The natural disasters are also part of the war.
It is possible that since there is so much turmoild going on in the physical realm that also there is turmoil going on in the other realms... because that is the way it works. All realms coexist with each other.
So all in all, I have been putting this puzzle together, and I seem to have a huge understanding of whats to come now....
Its incredible. We ARE in for some awesome times.
I think, the reason why this is all happening is because of the universal collective consciousness, which is.... "God's plan".
If you don't beleive in aliens, elven races, demons, angels, and all those other beings, and also "radki" techniques, and DBZ things.... then think about this. If everyone manifests, it is possible that everything that can be thought of by A mind, any mind, exists in another realm. The human collective consciousness may have not beleived in elves, or aliens, or demons, or angels, but enough have THOUGHT about it, which is ENOUGH to make it manifest, not in this physical realm, but in another, and now, it is going to show.
This all may sound like an "RPG" game , so many have told me that, but since we all have manifesting abilities we have the power to manifest these things.
But also.... consciousness is all the same, maybe humankind hasn't thought of these races, maybe another race, but all in all, SOME consciousness with intelligence has thought of these races, and enough to make them manifest.
Open your mind, let it go, from the heart, feel it flow, dont waste your seed, make it grow, say after me "I AM FREE!" - Beleive it or not, that last quote is from a song that I am hearing right now as I am typing it. Damn synchronicities, they never cease to amaze me.
I am going to repost this, becuz I feel this is important:
As in a synchronized event, this morning I opened up a book called "Oneness: The Teachings" which I left off from about a month and a half ago.
The first things I read were:
There is much that can be said about what is transpiring in your dimension. And the prognosis for a more positive outcome than had originally been anticipated is very good indeed. The addition of the free will factor of the collective consciousness to the equation has resulted in a shift in what might have been a cataclysmic period in the history of your planet. These events are not carved in stone, but are very much dependent upon the actions of humankind as a whole and the choices made by those in a position of leadership.
It is entirely possible to transcend a prophesied series of events that once seemed so likely as to have been considered inevitable. There is no event that is so inevitable as to be resistant to the focused intent of the beings present. Efforts to orchestrate a common focus on a given concept, in unison with vast numbers of other beings have a profound effect on an outcome that may have been predicted. Humankind has succeeded in altering that outcome and has manifested in its stead a radically modified version of what had once been forseen.
The real work has now begun. The collective consciousness of those incarnate in your dimension has excercised the power of its will and has manifested an unprecendented result. The harnessing of this power is the opportunity being presented in this time frame. In so doing, it will begin to become obvious to many of you that you are, indeed, creating your reality. As each adds the power of personal intent to the collective, the sum-totality moves that much closer to the point at which a measurable result can be made manifest. And an obvious correlation will emerge between the implementation of the collective will and the modification of anticipated events.
With this tool in hand, you are empowered in the collective to co-create a reality, as you would wish it to be. once you know that you are not living at the mercy of events beyond your control, but are indeed drawing the blueprint for those events with your thoughts, attitudes, and presumptions, you will begin to take very seriously the responsibility each of you has for your part as the co-author of the "movie" you call life.
You will awaken to the realization that you are responsible through your actions and choices, for setting the stage for parallel efforts on the part of those within your sphere of influence. you will begin to understand that the magnitude of the difference you are able to make is in direct proportion to the degree which you are able to live your word. And you will teach what you know by practicing what you know.
Your word can become a powerful tool through which you are able to cultivate awareness in others who are magnetized to your energy. Yet, the word alone is but an outline for concepts that take root and blossom as deeds. The choices you make in every moment exert their influence vibrationally, and by example, on all whose lives you touch. And as each touches and is touched in return by the actions of the collective, a harmony of intent begins to resonate. When that intent is heart-centered, it is indeed possible to alter the course of what you would consider to be "destiny."
Recognizing your power to create your reality is your key to turning the page and beginning a new chapter in your own life story. Having released the ties that once bound you to repetitive patterns of experience, you have emerged with a fresh perspective and a new sense of self-definition. And you have come to understand the potential in sculpting that identity, as you would like it to be. For the tools for creating your personal reality as a masterpiece of manifested intent are right there within the parameters of your consciousness.
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This was a complete summary of what I have come to realize after pondering life, and the future events, and the things I am writing, and sharing with others and also others sharing with me. To read it this morning was all synchronized. To post it now in this time of events, has been synchronized, all this has been synchronized to let each other know that we ARE manifesting the future of our lives, and will continue to do so.
To summarize. WE manifest our future. Each individual can add to the manifestation.
If you beleive and anticipate change in our society it will manifest. This is going to occur and is occuring as we speak because so many have realized what I have just type on an unconscious level.
What you have said... it has helped me come to understand a thing or two. One or two things about the war that I hadn't quite peiced together so far. Perhaps on some level even the war is a result of our own actions as humanity. Sadly the chanses of every living being realising this and changing their thinking in time for the war is unlikely at best, assuming of course it would do anything. However it has come to my attention that this might well explain the so called 'light at the end of the tunnel'. Now I am not a stubborn or a gullable person but I myself have prophesised that there is a kind of... ether, or glory, if you will... at the end of this war. My logic tells me this is nonesense, every war is fough for a mysterious fantasy land at the end, and all that arrives is more war. Yet I still could not deny this feeling of perfection and freedom I felt would reach us in succesion of the war. What you have said has perhaps clarifyed that for me.
It is apparent that this confrontation will open many eyes to the truth, the truth of evil (for lack of a better term) and perhaps aliens. The humans will be made to understand the balence of both nature, and the equilibrium of the astrophysical world. They will understand about demons, and psionics, magick no metaphysical subject will be tabu. They will come to understand the truths of the universe, this is not wishful thinking this is what my basic logic tells me. How can they not come to realise these things? How can these realisations not have a positive effect on the development of our cultures? We will all come to understand the responcibility of freedom and the importance of respect for these matters. I'm sure that with a little time and understanding the humans will come to understand these things, and when they do perhaps that knowlege alone will be enough to alter the path of things to come for a more positive future, just like you have said. Maybe the collective belief that we need no more fighting will be enough to make it so, and the war may be just the catalyst we need to ensure that.
I hope I have not strayed too far from your origional point and misunderstood too much of what you intended to get across, I would like to talk with you on messenger some time. Thanx for listening.
The Founder
The Founder, if you have AIM, my screen name is xXTha 0neXx. The O is a zero.
We are all together in this learning process. With the new information, provided in this very same forum, you too can put this puzzle together, and see what is headed for us. I suggest you read the entire post by Oazaki in this forum called The Year 2004: The Prediction, he and his Zhedi Order have some interesting things in store for us. I beleive he is real, because I WANT to beleive he is real because I KNOW that I can be a part of this creation, and I know for a fact I am, along with others making it happen.
I beleive there is a "light at the end of the tunnel" like you have said. Because, we are going to have freedom, freedom of mind, and freedom of expression, freedom to evolve spiritually, and many many many good things can occur from this.
The war IS going to happen. The only way to attain the freedom that we so rightfully deserve is to get the "powers that be" off our back and stop them from keeping humanity in the bondage that most of humanity are in. I KNOW that their loss is already determined, because the human spirit will win, its the way it was meant to be, but I doubt the "powers that be" will just quit and call it a day, chances are they will go out "guns blazin", which is why this war is going to occur.
Like I said I suggest you read Oazaki's thread, I think there is alot to learn within that thread, as I have, and it has lead me, along with your thread to put the peices of the puzzle together.
Well, it seems fate has conspired against us. I do not have AIM but I have MSN messenger, I will read through the 2004 thread and see what I can pick up and I am already in legue with one or two of the members of that order. I search for the truth whatever it may be and will accept whatever I find in the proccess. It is very pleasing to meet others on the same path and I wish you well on yuor journey. I hope we can work together in this course.[:)]
Oh, and Just to captivate your interest, in the links section of the hidden truths site in my sig and at the beggining of the thread you will find many other war related information sites, including the infamous 2012 theorys. Hope I helped at all.[:)]
The Founder
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understand the temptation of fighting, but what exactly are you fighting? Demons? Astral monsters and evil aliens?
The way I see it is that we are fighting whatever is keeping us in bondage. The aliens, and the demons... although I am not sure if they manipulate humans also, but I do know that we are able to control demons with magick, if we learn how.
My freind is in the rosicrucians, which is a "society" that is not that much secret as the illuminati or the masons. They teach light and dark magick. That freind told me that in one of their gatherings they higher ranked ones will summon a demon and perform magick on it.
So.... my theory is, that we are here on Earth to transcend polarity, and also linear time. That is just part of the journey but that is why we are here, for those of you who are planning to acheive spiritual evolution.
I think that the higher you go in spiritual evolution, your body also changes. Right now the human body of humanity on Earth (because there are other humans in the universe not just the ones on Earth) has the "reptilian brain" which was implanted in us by the reptilians for the sake of control, because it emits fear and doubt and lower vibrations. Oazaki says that we are going to overpower that part of our brain when "Erectheus".
I think its safe to say that we are fighting this war over what has kept us in bondage. Those who are able to transcend duality can see that we have created both light and dark because it was all part of the human cycle here on Earth. So we have created both angels and demons. They were all manifestations of the human collective consciousness. Since we created it, you can have 2 choices. You can choose to stay within duality and pick a side, light or dark, and then you will fight a war with the opposing side. The second choice is the choice to fight against that which keeps us in bondage, which are the reptilians. I don't think humans have created the reptilians, I think the reptilians existed before humanity on Earth, keep in mind that there are other humans living in the Universe. Earth is not the only planet that has humanoid intelligent creatures.
Since humanity on Earth has created angels and demons, as a result of our polarized consciousness, we also have a chance to transcend this polarity and use it to our advantage, just as Oazaki's Zhedhi Order is doing. Zhe means light, Dhi means dark. Also Oazaki's Zhedhi Order has ALOT to do with numerology and symbolism, and it all has both light and dark incorporated in it. So that means they will have control of both "light" and "dark" forces.
Click here for more info on the Zhedi Order, what is is, and how it will participate in our future (look in the post all the way at the bottom) http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10642&whichpage=4&SearchTerms=Order,light,dark
Since we have created light and dark "forces" we can use those "forces" to our advantage. The "forces" we have created are like armies. Those armies are the demon armies and angel armies, and they are always fighting against each other because they participate in polarity humanity on Earth has been and still is functioning on. Both light and dark forces are not "whole" so they fight against each other.
Those who can transcend this un wholeness can "love" both sides of reality, and what I mean by love is awareness of the vibrations darkness gives off and learn how to deal with it by "loving" it, or more so accepting it with non resistant pure unconditional awareness, no fear of it, no hatred or anger towards it, because we are here to transcend that, we are not to function on what we are trying to transcend if we are going to transcend it.. get it?
Now, since humanity on earth is living in bondage we are going to transcend that bondage, and fight that which keeps us in bondage, which are the reptilians, AND the reptilian brain.
On the physical level we will be fighting the reptilians, and perhaps the other "aliens" that might want to join in on the fight, and on the more spiritual level we are transcending our reptilian brain. To prove that, I think it is safe to say that emotions are being stirred up in our beings right now so that we can deal with them, and then transcend them. These emotions are function on fear and derive from fear. But right now, these emotions are being triggered so that we "love" the vibrations it gives off, and then transmute it, thus transcend it thus, not letting the emotions have power over us, and keeping us in our OWN bondage.
Get it? Humanity on Earth has been kept in their own mental bondage by their reptilian brains, AND ALSO in physical bondage by our reptilian freinds. :)
So to recap, we are fighting agains those which have kept us in bondage, light and dark we are transcending that and we will learn to use those forces to our advantage and we can use that against the reptilians which only use dark forces. Yes that is correct, reptilians don't use "light" magick, only dark magick. According to Oazaki these reptilians did not come from the "all is love" plane before coming into existance. The all is love plane is a higher plane, and the reptilians derived from the lower and more physical planes, that is why their nature is purely physical, they have desires they have materialistic desires which drive them. We have spiritual desires, and that drives us, so that way we are able to transcend to the higher planes all the way up to the "Source" plane which is the highest plane, while the reptilians cannot, because they have no desire for spiritual evolution, they exist purely on the physical level. That is the advantage we have over the reptilians.
My mind is exhausted right now.... I have typed straight from what I have read and gathered for this puzzle, and all the peices fit and also as I have typed this I realize more and more how much we have manifested this, and how this is all truth.... becuse I KNOW it deep down (or up) on deeper levels of my being.
If I need to explain more please ask, but also look at Oazaki's post to save alot more time and to save me from explaining everything that can be explained Oazaki's post.
Quiet Strom, it seems our little conversation amounted to very little, I would like to re-explain not only to you but to others who read your last post and consider it seriously.
Angels and Daemons have been around far, FAR longer than humanity, humans did not create them only the idea that they are good and evil. True good or evil does not exist, I am to be a murderer of many daemons yet I can still accept this truth. The illution that angels are heavenly glory and pure, happy, fluffy righteousness is man made, I agree. The same goes for the catagoricaly evil nature of daemons. However just because you may have invented these 'labels' to stick on angels or deamons doesn't mean the beings themselves are your creation. To use the metaphore I used to you last night. What are are basicly saying is that if you call a house a ball you can effectivly 'roll' a house. You may have invented the catagories such as good and evil, and even the characoristic nature of those beings, but it is only the belief that you have invented, not the truth. You can change only what you see, not what is, to change what is takes time and patience but requires a little more force than the preverbial click of ones fingers my friend. You cannot control daemons as they are sentiant beings with a will of their own. You can only control what you percieve them to be but not what they wish to be. To think you can would mean you are being manipulated, which is a gift they possess in plenty. If your friend tries to summon a daemon and control it he will be grimly suprised and I advise strongly against it. I speak not only from common sense here my friend but also from experience.
In responce to MJ-12, What you have said is, for the most part completely true, although I would hope to be credited with a little more grace of mind, lol. I am not just some grunt of war intent to slash at everything because I do have acertain amount of both experience and skill in the matters of war. You seem to imply we should fight withy out common goodwill and spirit, well quite simply, why not? It is all relative, when the veil falls and the spiritual world merges with this such things will irradicate evil as fluently as any blade. Trust only your senses MJ, tell me what you seek to do in this confrontation. I do not need battle tips but I am interested in how you intend to hold your own. I try to learn a little from everything I see.[:)]Cya.
The Founder
To quote from Oazaki's thread:
And finally, regarding *who* exactly The Zhedhi Order is, well there are indeed some members on this here very planet, including, fairly obviously, I myself. Of more interest though to most people I should think are the higher-plane entities who are members of The Zhedhi Order. There's a whole load of such higher-plane and off-planet entities who are members of The Zhehdi Order, including, but not limited to:
1. The Lords of all the planes above the Great Void (ie God in all his aspects)
2. All of demonkind
3. The entirety of the angelic host, including Lucifer and all his followers
4. Death, Destruction and other assorted entities of like nature
5. Zeus, Dionysus, Quan Yin etc
6. The Sirians (beings from the Sirius star system) and other assorted extraterrestrial entities
And many, many more besides.
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So yeah, I think that's a fairly detailed, account of what exactly The Zhedhi Order is. And of course, more on the nature of The Zhedhi Order will become apparent as the events of the upcoming years unfold...
all the best,
Oazaki.
I noticed you either intentionally or unintentionally skipped my questions in the first thread Founder, could you please answer those? I'm not looking to debunk what you are saying, I'm looking for reasons as to why you believe what you believe as well as tossing a common hurdle at you that I'm sure others have mentioned (and thus should have a nearly premade response for).
Hi All,
Over the past year I have heard numerous psychics and mediums talking about the fall of the veil, which they claim will occur this year. Being Sensitive myself, I have also felt this coming. In fact, I posted about this asking if anyone else was feeling it. For me it is a reality that has been coming for as long as I can remember, and the FEELING is getting much, much stronger.
The shift to 4th dimension is a difficult one. During my time of working with the Guides every night, I learned that we are standing on the threshold of an important evolutionary step here. It is more about transitioning through the 4th into the 5th, at which point one of the 'Gifts' we lost will be available to us again. This is the gift of creation...instant creative ability, if we so choose it.
In the past four years the Guides keep telling me it is time, time to prepare physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, in order to be clear and very aware in the times that approach us. They have also made it clear that it can become too late for certain choices to be made!
Many years ago I saw that we had already passed what I call the the point of no return, meaning, that we had to make changes to alter the course we were on back then. Now is too late. We are firmly into the events as they grow to fruition, and the next 6 to 8 years will see the climaxing of these natural and man made forces upon the Earth.
Founder has spoken what I know to be true also. And no amount of arguing over it, or denial of it, can possibly change the course of these events.
I have to say this. None of this is about being Special, or Chosen. It is about the choices we made as Souls before incarnating here this time. Right now, there are incarnate in the world many 'higher-beings' who have chosen to be here for the events we face, who have chosen to work with others to insure that as many people as possible survive the coming events so that they may be of help in directing the course of humanity after the the changes have settled.
Many people will have their entire belief-system structure blown away by witnessing the events that are near, like the sky being filled with Visitor Craft, etc. During the mayhem that will insue, we have one and only one chance to help these people to reach an understanding that will help them to be useful to their own people again. Otherwise they will be fodder.
To borrow a line from the Mods here, if you do not like what you are reading in this thread, if it raises issues within you that you are uncomfortable with and do not wish to grow through, then, do not read these types of posts.
By only thinking Love and Light, etc, and refusing to look at the possibilty of this being a reality.... You are shutting yourself off from the wider perspectives, effectively confining your self and it's opportunities for growth!
Good on you Founder, you have my support.
Love Always.[:)]
Seeing as how I seem to have as much time on my hands as everyone else here does, I decided to put my two cents in, then I thought about it, and decided it doesnt matter who says what because nobody really listens, its more a hesitant approach to what everyone here desires in one way or another. A seemingly unrealistic debate/ conversation/ exchange of words/ or mix of prose with each other over things that nobody will prove nor disprove due to lack of proof existing in the first place.
Ive come to this realization after some time in the forums reading what people write, and what people reply to.
Its funny, there seem three main types of people here.
1) Those who attempt to prove to themselves by way of others (seemingly those on the internet accounting for people in real life rather)so as to come to a better conclusion than that of them being stranded on this ball of dirt with people who do not understand them with no real end to their lives in sight other than some layering of odd circumstantial adventures plaguing the rituals of their lazy non-motivated breathing traditions. You sit on the computer and research (on a tainted vain of information mind you)things you hope will come to pass, and find the data you want, compile, compare with your own situation of life and begin pulling in tow those dire stack of events that will maybe bring you to the point of
A)You seeing the end of the world
B)You gaining some incredible powers and thus showing all those people with lack of interest in your life just what it means to be real
C)You are taken by the aliens and shown what life is really all about in another universe
D)You are turned into a two dimensional character drawn into a strong story line of vampires, demons, superheros, and mechs and thus do not need to think anymore you are now driven by fate(Or the writers mind)to the ends of your destiny
E)You are the messiah (Or being a prophet aint too bad, which ever right?)
2) Those who attempt to discourage those with these imaginative (original?)minds and plead the case of logic and reason through either venting their own past inhibitions and insult, and also watch in the shadows for their own little great hope that they dont talk about as to curse or jinx it, or maybe fear their own ridicule.
They have their own credibility to think about of course and that is important so they copy and paste other conversations and/ or information regarding this or that in order to back up their own waffled opinions which nevertheless always brings in either a heated two way debate over soemthing as limitless in order as a demon war or ancient civilizations prophecy or it brings a civil discussion which should be treated as a "tea and cake conversation."
The latter being my favorite to read over because they try so diligently to not offend anyone while they make their case which is an impossibly tongue in cheek affair.
3)Then there are those who triffle between the two attempting civil understandings of boths sides, being very open about who and what they believe without sounding grossly over justified yet not too under-opinionated. Dont want to be the underdog, but we cant seem to proud can we?
yet there is something that is feasting on their habits isnt there? Something as if they enjoy watching the progress of benign conversation and attempting to severe either sides progress (Without really choosing who it is they side with)so that they seem to be the catalyst for another system of conversations, or thought process or whatever.
How real we all are eh?
I see my fallacy, I am all three, and many of us are, some of us are none of this, attempting and succeeding to be a truist to themselves. Yet the majority lie within these three worlds of perceptions.
I dont try and decieve myself with concepts I wish to be true, because deep within I do know a lot of what I believe to be true, but that does not matter to others.
It matters most to ourselves, and that is what is important.
We dont need to prove to others who will never know who we are, who we think we are. You come on here and call yourself an elf? Fine, attempt to tell your friends in RL that. Its a different feeling isnt it? There has to be a place like this (thank god for the internet right)to hide from who we actually are once in awhile, but if many of you are so unhappy as to concoct a lot of this BS because you yearn for something different, heres a concept, go experience the world. Travel, help people, go to school, live in another country, learn another language and do something stupid once in awhile. Get yourself in trouble.
The risks we take mark our paths, but we decide what we come out with.
I am a hypocrite, narcissist and delusional at times, but I dont let those notions really betray what I need to do in order to live life.
Perhaps some of you will read this and say this was not the time or the place to rant about what you think people should do or what ever. If this isnt, where is?
Ive said my say, and feel good about it, now its your turn to bark at me I suppose.
That post almost reaks of troll, but since you didn't point any fingers, I'm guessing anyone that gets offended saw truth in that post. The closest I fall into is #3, but that's only because whenever I see something radical posted like this, I'll explore what they are saying, but without claiming bs. Simply because pretty much everything on this board would appear to be bs to someone, so I can't just discount everything.
1) was practically custom made for Oazaki, and there might have been truth in what he said... but only so far as to the meteor showers and the civil war and possibly the idea of the rift between astral and physical breaking down. Maybe. From Zhedi Order on, I think there's delusions of grandeur there.
Even though most of what he said seemed far out, I don't like claming bs. I mean... telekineses seems too wild to be true, but you don't see people claiming bs when Beavis shows his videos.
Even AP, what this board is about, screams of bs to most people.
The only thing I'd say is that it doesn't seem fair to claim that people playing the role of prophet are in the same category as the messiahs. People get disturbing dreams and visions and see real seeming stuff while projecting and feel the need to let people know. I don't think that's worthy of put down.
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1) was practically custom made for Oazaki, and there might have been truth in what he said... but only so far as to the meteor showers and the civil war and possibly the idea of the rift between astral and physical breaking down. Maybe. From Zhedi Order on, I think there's delusions of grandeur there.
Well everything from his astrology, numerology, his knowledge about the nature of reality, and spirituality are all WAY to accurate to be anything that was done just for kicks in my opinion.
Have you seen how much depth he has in his post, and not too mention how much time he has spent posting all of his information on this website AND many others? Either he is superhuman or mastermind at hoaxing, but for what reason would this be a hoax? As to set up a date for the Zhedi Order to be established on, and according to the natal chart, astrology and numerology of it, it is far more stronger than our current world systems?
Look at the link I provided above, its highly precise and he has everything down to almost a perfect science.
anyway, thats all my humble opinion. [:D]
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Good guys huh? I suggest you choose your own course as it will not be so easy to interpret good from bad. I fight for the humans as they are the innocents in this war, and for ONLY that reason. Otherwise your logic is flawless, there are many examples in reality for what is happening. Just looking around casualy reveals many examples. Blackstream, I'm pretty sure I did answer your questions... umm... **checks** yup, its there allright, but for some reason it doesnt show up under the text window as you type a new message, you will have to actually go to the first page to see it.
In responce to Aileron's painfully long speach, well done. I agree mostely but I am not doing this for attention or to tell others what to do, but simply because I would not live with myself if I had not tried to warn anybody. I also seem to remember somebody suggesting that perhaps I am under dark infulence, in my particular circle it is hard not to notice such a thing but for arguments sake. Assuming I was, I am only following my heart with good intention, I intend to bring nobody through this with me but if they choose to I welcome the company and I never seek to preeche or draw anybody into my belief. I just offor it to them and if anybody chooses to take notice so be it. In short, I have no obvious ill intention here and I do only what I believe is right, so please... draw your own conclusions. I would not think that doing things the way I do is a very efficient method for dark manipulation however.
I would also like to do two things, one is to stetch this post out as long as possible by any means neccesary so as to get revenge for all the long posts you all made me read. The other is to make a point, I have heard 'bs' get mentioned many times both here and in other such forums. Either as an attack, dismiss, or a simple observation. In my experience I have never claimed bs, I dont always believe people but to make such a remark is not only tempting fate but it also seems very arrogant to me. I would suggest you all keep an open mind to all things and even if you disbelieve try to remember what it feels like to have bs called on you. "If you ignore the unlikely, the impossible will bite you in the butt."
Tayesin, A very interesting post there.. I have encountered many with the sensation that something incredible approaches but rarely do I find anybody who has plainly 'known' about the war with out needing to read theorys and the such. "Higher-beings" however is a term I would avoid if I were you, lol. As for the belief structure being blown wide open as a result of the war, well frankly I see that to be the only plus to all this. The humans will have to accept the world that is still sickeningly labeled 'Paranormal' or 'Supernatural' (Yeauurgh!)as a real and tangable matter. They will have to accept astral and alien cultures and the fact that things truely do exist that you cannot touch or see. They will be forced to get up of their asses and create a free society to unite. The window we have to reach them in is small but as I have always said, It may well be the human beings that save us all in the end..
The Founder
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Blackstream, I'm pretty sure I did answer your questions... umm... **checks** yup, its there allright, but for some reason it doesnt show up under the text window as you type a new message, you will have to actually go to the first page to see it.
I just checked the first page again. The questions you answered were halfphased's questions, not my questions. After that you got into a discussion with the dude that was like, "dude you are wrong".
QuietStorm- We all know you love Oazaki, so you can definitely calm down. You sound like a minion spreading "his word". I've been there done that, and it's best to just do what you must do, instead of praising Oazaki like some prophet.
"The Founder"- What is the reason for this post again? If anything, do not think you are one of the "elite" or "favored" or being "original" at all, right now you are number 101 preaching the word of war.
~ivan
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QuietStorm- We all know you love Oazaki, so you can definitely calm down. You sound like a minion spreading "his word". I've been there done that, and it's best to just do what you must do, instead of praising Oazaki like some prophet.
Yes I am aware of that.
Are you also aware that I am "spreading his word" because the more people I can get to accept his "word" as a possibility the more it will manifest, and therefore I am part of the manifestation, and I am getting others to also participate in this manifestation in something that we all want deep down inside, because I beleive it is exactly what the collective human consciousness wants to happen. Just by accepting it as a possibility and anticipating the events he has written about, will manifest it. Did you read my excerpt from Oneness: The Teachings?
What do you mean? I thought I made myself clear that I am aware of many who also know of or are part of the war and that I did not expect to be the first here to talk of it. I also would re-point that I do not ever preech. As for me being origional or favoured or whatever, I think you misunderstood my porpose here. I am not trying to gain attention but to draw your attention to the war. This is not about me, I just want to do my part to help others prepare for it. If anything your 101 figure, if it is accurate strengthens my case.
Just be prepared for anything, that is all I suggest.
Quiet storm... I am open minded so I do not judge. Your organisation sounds like it has much potential but... the more you tell me of it the more... 'cult-like' it begins to seem. Perhaps you should watch out for that. Just an observation.
The Founder
I must apologize for my post. It was more a vent, and although is something I believe isnt a total sum of what I believe.
I dont want to make it seem as though I attempt to cry bs on everyone for their own opinions and actions here, but when reading through this entire site, interconnected with the thousands of others, and being a person connected to a mass array of those whom I have known that believed themselves in one way or another to be part of some intergalactic conspiracy, or interspecies breeding pattern, or new age cosmic prophet, all powerful monk, super-genetic strain of humans, and so on, it becomes not tiring, but painfully exhausting to reread warnings about this or this happening.
I dont like to tell people what they believe is unlikely or bs, because in reality, I dont know, and to tell someone this is to follow ones own folley.
What I attempt is to help people look inward of themselves and find a truth that can be accepted not only of themselves, but everyone.
Reality is painful, but beautiful and should be embraced, even if it does not contain the imagination we wish it to.
The Founder, I appreciate anything you say and the fact that you are just giving us warnings and allowing us in to your own insights and knowledge.
I never meant to accuse you of anything, that was not my meaning.
Im tired.
I want just as much as any of you to find the truth and to see our truths revealed, but I cannot accept a vast majority of what people say here because it, although a good place to escape into for me, is also damaging to my perceptions of reality.
People can tell me, "Then dont come and read these posts." But when you desire something deep within the soul, something that rages within you, and you want to share it and know others are there as well, can you just ignore it?
again, Im sorry if anyone was offended or felt I was pointing fingers.
Why any of you want to insist on manifesting things that can only lead to death, destruction, ruin, suffering and pain. If that is what you want for your own lives -- wars and devastation -- have at it. However, the rest of humanity may just want something else like a peaceful country, food to eat, a job to go to, a doctor for their children, and a whole lot of necessities you take for granted.
Perhaps if you ever really had to try to live in a war zone and the extreme devastation and poverty that usually goes with it, you might not be so eager to be invaded or see WWIII in your backyard.
Why not try manifesting healing the earth and all living things, including us, on it? Or how about wisdom and strength for the people of the world - the ordinary people -- who must endure the very things you seem to relish and would welcome with a lot of see-I-told-you-so's.
How dare you speak for what humanity wants? Better you should try to manifest the goodness that humanity can become.
Sure, there will be wars. There have always been wars. They are not things to be enjoyed, although there are many that are itching for a mighty big one. The real question is, why are some of you here among them?
Jenadots, someone has to be revved up for war. If none of the young people wanted to go to war then the old people would have to go. And everyone knows that the elderly don't do very well running acrossed battlefields. So we have young, eager men to keep the freedom so the elderly can have social security, medicare, dental, jobs, etc. Every country owes its soverignty and rights to the young men and women who fight for them. So I applaud those that are willing to fight for their family and friends because if they didn't then you would.
Also, I am in complete agreement with The Founder and QuietStorm. It doesn't take a genius to know that this is all going to breakdown soon.
Finally, I would also like to state that I am not for the U.S. military. When I said I am for those that will fight I meant those that will fight for humanity in general and not become some government owned meat puppet.
jennadots, although I agree war is a horrible thing and peace should be strived for, I think you misunderstand the overall aspect of what many here desire.
It is not for the aspect of war itself. People do not wish (unless they have issues)for death and violence manifesting in their neighborhoods to their own families and friends.
It is for the underlying end result that war brings.
Change.
In a world that recycles itself, using old ideas and structured beliefs in order to create new empires and new threads of ideal political order, it is not uncommon nor unnatural for many to want revolution.
Many people want a new world of peace where we can all love and hug each other and all is good.
Although it is part of our nature to strive for this, sadly it is not possible without also ridding ourselves of another natural part of who we are, conflict.
To say that peace such as that is fantasy is pessimistic and only those whose drive at times is towards the unreachable are the people who make the most difference in our world.
Realize though that much change in the world as it is will not come without conflict, and at this point in our history many many people look towards an endgame conflict that will either bring all or nothing to the plate.
Please dont look at many of us who discuss these end times subjects as desiring death and war, it is quite the opposite for most in fact.
Just know that we cannot have one without the other. We are a divided race, in gender, belief, personal independance, culture and so on.
Thrive in our nature and see what we are, do not deny it, for that is what truly builds the walls of ignorance.
I think a compramise is needed. Yes I am prepared to fight for the humans and will do whatever I must to protect them. For the last time however, and I fail to see why it has not yet gotten accross, I do NOT relish the war. It has been my lifelong curse to know about it and know I can do nothing to prevent it. So don't you dare preech to me about manifesting a better future Jenedots as I would fix everything with the click of my fingers if I could. I know it is coming and I will fight to do what I think is right. I do not want to fight, I do not want to kill, but it is what I am trained for, it is what I am here to do. That is all I am capable of. That doesn't mean I have to sit here and like it, the very fact that I am trying to help you all become aware of it should prove that at least. We still must all be prepered to fight for the brighter future, even if it is just an illution we have to believe... Because we need belief, Thats all there is.
The Founder
Alright, this is all I got to ask... because it's the only one of my questions you honestly really haven't asked.
Have you seen any physical effects of this upcoming shift? Things like items appearing out of nowhere, abnormal amping psychic abilities for no real reason, being able to change reality (text in a book, stuff like that), noticing the effect of a change, stuff like that.
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Why any of you want to insist on manifesting things that can only lead to death, destruction, ruin, suffering and pain. If that is what you want for your own lives -- wars and devastation -- have at it. However, the rest of humanity may just want something else like a peaceful country, food to eat, a job to go to, a doctor for their children, and a whole lot of necessities you take for granted.
Perhaps if you ever really had to try to live in a war zone and the extreme devastation and poverty that usually goes with it, you might not be so eager to be invaded or see WWIII in your backyard.
Why not try manifesting healing the earth and all living things, including us, on it? Or how about wisdom and strength for the people of the world - the ordinary people -- who must endure the very things you seem to relish and would welcome with a lot of see-I-told-you-so's.
How dare you speak for what humanity wants? Better you should try to manifest the goodness that humanity can become.
Sure, there will be wars. There have always been wars. They are not things to be enjoyed, although there are many that are itching for a mighty big one. The real question is, why are some of you here among them?
Jenadots you are failing to see the other half of the picture, or perhaps even the other 3/4 of the picture.
You are restricting yuorself to see only the negative aspects of this war.
This war is necessary. If this war weren't gonna happen, the one's in power would not change, simply because it is their NATURE to dominate and control, and to feed off of negative emotions. The world would continue to be corrupt, and the world would continue to be like this until all of humanity will cease become extinct and I assume that would have been very soon if nothing was done about it.
See, humankind has gone through enough, and its about TIME we break free from these patterns of corruption, and injustice. We want justice, and I am sure I can speak for EVERY HUMAN BEING on this earth about this.
You can't deny that every human being likes justice, even if not on the surface but on the deepest levels I know they want it. The ones in power have NO respect for humankind. It is out RIGHT God GIVEN RIGHT to be free.
We have suffered enough. And yea I would love for life to be alot more pleasant, which is one of the bigger reasons why I beleive in this, and yea I can be a part of the manifestation which is why I am taking part in it, and more.
Please try to see the FULL reality of this situation instead of seeing only half of it. When you do, you will come to understand exactly what we are speaking of. :)
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Many people want a new world of peace where we can all love and hug each other and all is good.
Yes, I think everyone here wan'ts a world of peace, where we can all love and hug each other, but we first must take down the system that is suppressing us to do so, and take down the ones manipulating most of humanity into thinking that we are not One with all that is reguardless of race, culture, etc etc.
I think after this war there will be the longest running peace that we have ever experienced before. It'll be almost a perfect society, where everyone loves each other and works as a team, where we are free to do anything we want without supressive thoughts or people to tell you that it is not "cool" to express yourself, and also there will be free knowledge of metaphysical topics. We have a right to know the truth.
JenaDots, I think you are mistaking us for WANTING war. Well, If it wasn't for the "powers that be" wanting to have control of us, and not wanting to "realize" that what they do is "wrong", than there wouldnt have to be a war. That isn't going to happen. The powers that be will go out "guns blazin" as I said before.
Open yourself up to the other side of reality, and embrace both the male and female aspects, and the positive and negative aspects.
Its 4am and I cant be bothered reading anything so I'll just reply to Blackstream for now. Yes I have answered that, quite clearly. There is no way to proove none physical matters in a physical enviroment. I have told you of the time that many people simultaniously sensed the veil getting damaged and I offor only the feeling that many seem to have that the war aproaches. Also that there are those like myself who have prophesised it. However I am not here to provide you with evidence and I know that sounds rude or cold but frankly Im too tired to think of polite phrasing, so sorry about that. I know many people who have either seen the occasional physical daemon, I even heard of an angelkin that transformed once. I however have seen little physical mumbo jumbo that links to the kind of evidence you suggested. Nor can I see how moving text or manifesting objects would have anything to do with this war.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.
The Founder
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There is no way to proove none physical matters in a physical enviroment. I have told you of the time that many people simultaniously sensed the veil getting damaged and I offor only the feeling that many seem to have that the war aproaches.
Read my post again, was I asking for proof? No. All I was asking was if you've seen physical things happening lately... unexplainable things that would be a sign of the veil between astral and physical weaking.
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Also that there are those like myself who have prophesised it.
Mankind has been doing this for centuries... which is why I was asking for more than prophesy or gut instinct. So many dates over the last 2000 years everyone has thought would be the "end times". Even back right around when Jesus died (assuming you people believe he existed, even if only as a man) people thought might be end times. Hense why I asked if you've seen anything more than prophesy and gut.
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However I am not here to provide you with evidence and I know that sounds rude or cold but frankly Im too tired to think of polite phrasing, so sorry about that.
First off, I didn't ask for evidence. Second off, if your mission is really to convince us that a war is coming, don't you think evidence would be benificial to your cause? I know why you aren't, but thought I'd point that out.
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I know many people who have either seen the occasional physical daemon, I even heard of an angelkin that transformed once.
This is exactly the type of stuff I'm talking about. Thanks. Was all I was asking, was it that hard?
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I however have seen little physical mumbo jumbo that links to the kind of evidence you suggested.
Some people on here have actually reported such things... such as Beavis. Beavis has reported having objects teleport around, and he's changed text on books and stuff. Just wondering if you've noticed anything as well. That's all. The more people that see such things, the more I'm inclined to believe :)
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Nor can I see how moving text or manifesting objects would have anything to do with this war.
I'll lay it out real simple for you.
Manifesting objects = not something that should happen in physical reality.
Manifesting objects therefore indicates in changing physical laws.
Changing physical laws could be explained by the veil weakening.
This supports your viewpoint that a war is coming because one of the 2 things would then be happening (the veil weaking, and the forces that wish to attack us being the 2 things).
Thus, manefesting objects = support for the war.
The veil is weakening and the planes do near each other. However until they actually merge when the veil collapses there is no reason for such odd events to take place in relation to this merging. Let me put what you have said in a different perspective.
I offer plausible undeniable things like, gut-instinct and prophesy. Sure they can't be proven but they are sensible and realistic.
You however would rather believe mindless ramblings about reality going weird and ridicules events taking place.
Not only would these things simply not happen, but they would be completely unrelated to the war. It seems you just want to hear about bizarre events, why? For gossip sakes perhaps? I don't know.. but it is stupid stories like that which give metaphysics a bad name. The physical laws will not cease to exist during the merge they will just be 'diluted' if you will into the apparent laws of the astral world. We will have the same restrictions but they will merely be weaker and we will have astral restrictions and advantages as well. Books changing text, and teleporting objects are either made up or due to another course. I don't claim to believe or disbelieve them but I Wouldn't steak too much on them.
One other point I would make is to point out how you made a deal about the fact that you did not actually ask for evidence. "Read my post again, was I asking for proof? No. All I was asking was if you've seen physical things happening lately" before later saying... "Which is why I was asking for more than prophesy or gut instinct" So... let my clarify this. You are not asking for evidence but you are asking for.. umm, proof? You may not have said that particular word but you were still asking for evidence my friend. In the past I have been badly mistreated by sceptics who all started out with a similar post to yourself, I guess it made me a little paranoid so I am sorry if I overreacted. I also learned much from those events, one of which being the fact that I MUST make it clear that I can offer NO evidence because quite simply it does not exist. I have to make it clear that I am aware of this fact and that I am sorry for it. I accept if any of you choose to disbelieve me due to this fact.
The thing I mentioned about the daemons and the angel transforming were not related to the war they are simply the most bizarre things I have come across in my life (That you would believe anyway.)Plus I offered no proof of these events happening so I do not understand your keenness to believe it. Especially when there are many who corroborate with my "gut instinct" theory. I ask that you still remain open to all possibilities as I do. However I would suggest a little common sense to be used as well. Do not look for unusual physical events despite that I have heard an increase in these kinds of stories recently. Try to focus more on what WILL happen with the falling of the veil. If you don't quite know what that is yet then I will happily explain my ideas in greater detail.
Acceptance breeds success
P.S I'm sure Jenedots is regretting his wording in that post by now, lets leave him alone, lol.
The Founder
I also have intuitional feelings about all this. And they tell me this is just another phase, like the Ki-Kids in the energy forum. But, don't mind me, I can't stand this post... No not because of fear or whatever you might think. Fear...just another thing to laugh at, just like this war idea.
~ivan
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I offer plausible undeniable things like, gut-instinct and prophesy. Sure they can't be proven but they are sensible and realistic.
You seem a tad bit defensive. Let's be honest. Nothing you have is going to be enough proof for me to believe. Your gut instinct and your prophesy are anything but plausible and undeniable. Take Oazaki from these boards. He has both of those things yet is probably dead wrong. I've had many gut instincts in the past that have been wrong, and seen many prophesy's in the past that have been wrong (like Y2K = end of world). There have been plenty before that like I've said where tons of people's gut instincts and prophesy's were wrong.
Which is why I'm looking to see if there's any reason to believe this time is any more special other than something has been repeated for the last 1000 years. If you have had experiences that might say "fall of veil" is coming. Everyone feelings "something" when those demons supposedly fell is one thing that supports your cause. I didn't feel it so it doesn't do so much for me. If you say there will be no physical/astral mixes of reality before the fall of the veil, then there's no reason at all for me to look at any of what anyone says with any more than a "I'll keep that in mind" mindset.
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You, however would rather believe mindless ramblings about reality going weird and ridicules events taking place.
Not only would these things simply not happen, but they would be completely unrelated to the war. It seems you just want to hear about bizarre events, why? For gossip sakes perhaps? I don't know.. but it is stupid stories like that which give metaphysics a bad name. The physical laws will not cease to exist during the merge they will just be 'diluted' if you will into the apparent laws of the astral world.
It's these kind of responses that make me not really want to believe what you are saying. You preach the idea of a veil between realities falling and a demon war taking place, and if I ask if anything is going on that might signal that astral laws are starting to appear in a physical world or that a astral universe is closer do to a weaker veil, you state that my views are "mindless" and that I just want to look for "bizzare" events for "gossips" sake.
First off, how many veil fallings have you been through? That's what I thought. So how do you know exactly what would happen when such a thing weakens? To me, the idea that laws might slowly leak in, or abilities might highten, or laws leak in slightly during veil "hits" makes sense, and I've seen posts in here from respectable members that supports that theory. Calling my theory "mindless" is nothing short of closed minded as you have no proof of what would happen.
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We will have the same restrictions but they will merely be weaker and we will have astral restrictions and advantages as well. Books changing text, and teleporting objects are either made up or due to another course. I don't claim to believe or disbelieve them but I Wouldn't steak too much on them.
I only pointed those things out because those are things I believe one can do in the astral. Substitute what I said with any simple ability one can do in the astral, or any of the simple abilities one will get after the merge, and that's what I'm looking for.
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One other point I would make is to point out how you made a deal about the fact that you did not actually ask for evidence.
Proof would be undeniable evidence that something exists. I'm not asking for that because you can't give it to me. The only way you could give me undeniable evidence that a veil is weakening is to somehow scientifically detect and measure the veil and show me how it's weakening over time. What I am, however, is asking if you had more than gut to go off of.
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Plus I offered no proof of these events happening so I do not understand your keenness to believe it. Especially when there are many who corroborate with my "gut instinct" theory.
This does add a little bit of credence, but as I've already stated, many people have had the same gut instinct about the same things many times in the past. Usually involving dates that everyone thiks will be the end of the world. 1980 something was one of those dates if I remember correctly. Tons of people thought it was the ratupre, walked out on that day to disappear, walked back at the end of the day disillusioned. Tons of gut instinct and prophesy, all wrong.
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Try to focus more on what WILL happen with the falling of the veil. If you don't quite know what that is yet then I will happily explain my ideas in greater detail.
Acceptance breeds success
Sure, go ahead and tell me what exactly what will happen when the laws merge. What will and won't be possible? I'm kinda curious.
Finally, let me state that you having seen a coke bottle appear out of nowhere when you wished you had one isn't going to make me suddenly believe that a) that happpened and b) your theory is correct. What it will do is give me something to say, "hey, these 50 people have all said that things are moving around and that the veil is falling and that psychic abilities and stuff are all naturally ramping up.... one of those people could have been deluded and/or lying... but all 50? Maybe there is something to this after all"
However, for the reasons I've already stated, while gut instinct is nice, it's nowhere near good enough to take any extra measures for the war than I'm already planning to take (i.e., upping my energy training from NEW, maybe taking some martial arts, ect).
Hopefully that should be pretty much all you need to do.
You are quite right, I was both defensive and closed minded in that last post and I appologise sincerely, it is not the kind of impression I should give and it is definitly not my usual nature. As I said, I have history with these things and I guess I overeacted.
I have not been through a merging before to my knowledge so no, I don't know for sure what it will be like. To be honest what you have said is right, there are unusual events taking place and so called 'paranormal' occurences have risen considerably, I also believe this is in relation to the merging. However, many times I ahve seen people decide to neglect their preperation for the merging because they have gone 'paranormal investigating' mad in trying to track these occurences and I don't like to see it happen. You must focus on preperation for the merging. These unusual events are just byproducts of the bigger picture.
The Founder
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Evidence? I don't have any but I can seriously say that more and more synchronicities have been happening lately, and on a more massive and more blatant scale. I have also had more lucid dreams. I have also been having "visions" of disasters happening. I have also seen things "blink" right in front of my eyes, like there was a "glitch in the Matrix". I also see the matter in front of me pulsing with energy. Also, have you noticed the sun lately? It is like 10 times brighter than it was before, and now its even white, when before it was more... yellowish. Also, the density of the atmosphere is changing alot.
Here is what you may want to look at: http://ufophysics.com/russisun.htm
Its a short article which says that Russian scientists are doing massive research, studies and experiments on the solar system's changes. The viel which is falling can also be explained by science. It is safe to say that, if we are heading toawrds a place in space which is very high in energy (like the article says), that our bodies will also raise in vibration, thus making the earth's people become aware and perceive the 4rth density/dimension. It also states that with this the state of MATTER will change. So this might be the physical evidence that you may have been looking for. :)
Also, not just me, but a lot of people are having alot more spiritaul experiences lately.
Like my sensei. Yesterday after class there was this white dove on sensei's car, like it was part of the car, or decoration for the car. It was just sitting there like it HAD to. When he found out about this he was like "OMG that is the same dove that flew into the dojo yesterday, and sat on my desk!". He told the story to everyone else witnessing this, there were about 20-25 people. He said that a white dove yesterday flew INTO the dojo, as if it was on a mission to do so, and sat perfectly in front of him on his desk. The dove didn't seem to fly in by mistake. It seemed as if it flew into the dojo on purpose and sat on his desk. Then, the dove let him pick it up and let it fly out of the dojo. Now look where he appeared AGAIN, the next day, on his jeep, like if it was a part of it. It didn't move, it just stood there right on the jeep.
Sensei told everyone also that someone had told him that very good things will happen during the month of May, and it may have something to do with prosperity. Everyone was in awe, and so was I.
We never came close to the dove, because we just let it sit there, and as for me, I had to leave shortly after, and I didn't want to pass by the car because I thought that if I did, the dove might have gotten scared and flown away, but I did not want to ruin it for sensei. Perhaps the dove was to have a "secret meeting" with him when he locks up the dojo and leaves home. ;)
I will ask him today what happened... perhaps it was freindly towards him. :)
But anyways, yea, its things like that, and synchronicities, and more and more vivid dreams. I notice that people's awareness is higher, and also that they are more "caring" towards each other and more "loving"... in a way, or perhaps that may just be the kinds of people I attract with my vibration.
The synchronicities are a big one for me. Always for the past 6 months, about 10 synchs occur in a day, maybe more maybe less, but around that range. They range from subtle to blatant. Its like, the environment speaks to me.
This girl I met about a month ago, she resonates so closely with me. She is not a spiritual girl, she is of a religon yet, we have so much in common its almost magickal. We experience alot of synchronicities and similiarities its magickal seriously, and we think so too. We are both aware of these things. We both like each other and we both experience alot of things that would suggest that we are somehow connected to each other, and that the meetings we have had were "meant to be". In the beginning I made her aware of it but now she is catching on and we both share an awarenes that alot of things are happening right now that are so deep even if we are not "perceiving it" but we ARE aware of it. Whats also wierd is that, this girl, I have done more "relating" to her than any other girl I have known. Most girls I would have "run my game" but this girl, it just flowwwed so smoothly. She is also a girl that I have been "waiting for" as I think most girls, or people in general who have been brainwashed by the media, are products of the media/society. She is as independant as I have wanted a girl to be. I can sense alot of good things to happen with her in the future. :)
One time, I saw my keyboard become 2 keyboards. It only happened for a milisecond but it was also one of those "glitches in the matrix".
The thing about I see matter pulsing and vibrating, I see these thnigs all the time. Also things are very much brighter. It has a siginifant amount of brightness to it.
I hope that helps. [:D]
Edit: You might also want to read the post "Day After Tomorrow" thread here in the same forum topic.
Me, again. I do see clearly - 100%. If war is so much a part of you, and your aura, then you will surely find it -- and find it in your own back yard.
I do honor those who fight and die for the safety of others here and elsewhere. Some have been in my own family and they are worthy of honor.
I just happen to think there are better ways of fighting than by massive killings of others. Not that I wouldn't do it, even as I approach the gateway to geezerdom. I would certainly fight - and kill if in a kill or be killed situation.
And just because there might be another war, what makes any of you think it wouldn't be followed by more wars to end all wars? We have had a century of that. In every generation of men, and let's be honest here, it is mostly men - there are those who would be tyrants and killers and who seek to dominate others. Yes, there are alpha women, but it is mainly men who do this for reasons other than self defense or defense of their families.
War may clear away the "nasties" of the world. But there will be more born in the next generation and somehow they will rise to power in whatever country they can.
Boils down to this -- we, as a species, need evolution far more than we need wars. The good always dies with the evil -- and somehow many of the truly evil ones manage to survive. They simply let others die at their command.
We must evolve past it. That takes time -- perhaps hundreds of generations. Obviously, it isn't now. But it has begun as there are more and more people who have begun to ask a crucial question: when does it ever stop? How many more people have to be cannon fodder until it does?
As I said before: Manifest something better. Focus on something better. Collectively and individually. You might be surprised to find that it results in something better.
But I doubt you will accept this challenge. Too much focus on the next war and how brave you are going to be in it. Dying in a war is easy. Living through one is the hard part. I pray those of you who seem so enthralled by the prospects of one, never really have to see one.
And whomever said no one wants a battle in their own back yard, just where do you think it will be? A massive war will not be limited to somebody else's house or country. It will be staring you in the face. And it will not be a game like this topic seems to be for a few.
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jenedots I think you misread what I wrote.
When I said nobody wants a war in their backyard, I meant that war as a global disease, is often hidden by people so as to ignore the problem. Its a frightening thing when death and violence hit home. Dont ever mistake saying one thing for meaning the enjoyment of war and holocaust, that is a dangerous assumption.
When people search for answers in their "union" of imagination and belief, they often hope through parallel understanding of both the good and bad sides of humanity, that we are taught and can teach each other the values of these lessons, but nobody learns better than through experience.
We all want to seem like the hero at one time or another, and Im sure many people in these forums attempt to assume the stance of being that hero when in discussions of their opinions and ideas, for what better to bring about the absolute change of humanity to an evolved species than the prophet of that coming change.
It seems silly yes to think that if by practicing martial arts we will achieve energy control and thus being able to defend our family and friends. This is a noble dream, albeit an unrealistic one.
Sadly most of the people here probably dont think that if their war they dream about comes to fruition that it will involve guns and knives, rather martial arts, ki-blasts and prophetic epiphanies deployed at the enemy at the most crucial of moments.
Yet with all this dreaming and childlike flinging of prophecy one thing does become absolutely clear, that we as a species are far to unevolved to move past war at this point in our history.
It is not pessimism, it is realism.
Fact is, no matter how many of us gather together to attempt to create peace, there will be those in a greater authority as you said who will still opt for war as it brings more than one influence to the table.
We can look at so many figures who attempted to bring peace and only became martyrs who died at the hands of those screaming blood and rage; Martin Luther King Jr, Ghandi, Jesus Christ, etc.
I agree that it is rather unpleasant and seems unnecessary, but in reality, imagine a world without war.
Go on try.
Dont imagine the restrictions in place because of this peace.
Dont imagine the restraint of people keeping their tongues in check as others gather influence in civil matters
Dont imagine the antagonizing environment surrounding you as you try and speak your mind but are binded by the peace, for what is conflict but the utter build up of disagreement?
Imagine peace, ultimate peace.
can you imagine it?
I cannot see it without the restraint, and that is not freedom.
Every single being on this planet is different, and it is our differences that make us human.
Because we desire peace, does not mean we should attain it.
Because we desire war, does not mean we should attain it.
I agree that many wars lead to more wars, but look at history, look at our current state.
You cant honestly say that without war our world would be a better place, because really not a single being here knows what it is like to live without conflict, not a one.
Id like to think that with peace, real peace, an equilibrium is achieved, and perhaps I am overstepping my insight as to what you mean, but on our planet, the only peace comes through advantage, position, power, fear, and respect.
No peace has been achieved ultimately to stop the killing in any war, it has been to achieve a balance.
nobody wants to die or kill.
we all want change.
a revolution happens.
people will die no matter what.
a sad fact.
a real fact.
Perhaps but you seem to be looking with this with a closed oppinion. What you have done is effectivly reword what we have all been saying and thinking it was different. I am not here to promote the war but to help you survive it as best I can. However I should point out that "true evil" does not exist, I don't assume you think it does but the phrasing is still deceptive. Try not to think of this as a battle of good verses evil, that opens up far too many paradoxes and subdebates, just find your enemy and survive his attacks. That is all you need to concern yourself with.
This evolution to bypass war and reach a peaceful glory is just the same as we have also been saying, yes we need to evolve but the matters of war will not fizzle away. Unfortunately war will have to end the same way it tends to rage, with a bang. This IS the war to end all wars, it is the final chapter, the last confrontation. Here is where the story either begins or ends. I'm sorry if any of you either find it too hard to believe or are simply scared by it but I have witnessed this stupid war from almost its very birth and I am fully aware of its progression to this point. Have trust in yourself and your neihbour and survive for the greater good. You all have the power and are all needed, sceptics and believers alike. The only issue is, are you prepared to make the ultimate sacrifyce?
Without honour, life is just a badly written story.
The Founder
Dear Founder..we all face the ultimate sacrifice, as you call it, sooner or later. Having faced death twice in my life, I now see it as simply a change of address from one dimension to another. I am sure there are millions of others who do not see it as a finality, but a change of consciousness. Considerably different from earlier views, in other centuries, of the difference between life and death.
Certainly, there were religious & philosophical views of a life after death but it was seen as somehow not real, not now, not for us to know or experience. That has changed.
So I do believe human consciousness is slowly, but surely changing and evolving into something more and better than we have known in the past. A few million now can become a few billion in your lifetime.
I do not fear the ultimate sacrifice as I do believe there are worse things in life than death. Surviving a massive world war might be one of them. I am not so very concerned for myself as I have likely
lived 60% of my life. I am concerned for the younger people, like yourself, and like so many in my own family whose lives will be shattered, wasted or destroyed - whose hearts will shake with unbearable pain and fear that might, hopefully, lead them to the courage it will take to survive.
Aileron spoke of peace being an impossibilitly without restrictions of some kind. We all have restrictions. But consider that one is as free within one's own mind, heart, and soul as one chooses to be.
Peace at any cost is not peace. And yes, some wars are worth fighting and dying in. I cannot imagine the horror our lives would have become if Hitler had prevailed in WWII or what our world might become if someone like him really takes control of the various terrorist groups running wild in the world today.
There is an evil loose in the world today - call it what you like if you don't like the word evil - but it is a killing sickness that affects us all one way or another. If we just kill the killers of others, we become them or too much like them to live in civilized society. Not to mention bad karma.
So, perhaps we need a manifesting forum - a way that those of us with some talent and desire in that area can begin to focus on healing the species of man and the planet of earth. Simply that may create that something better I was thinking of in my earlier post.
JD
jenadots, please dont misconstrue my posts as being an attack on your opinion in any way. I actually find your posts to be much more realistic than others in the forums and I have a lot of respect for you.
I just think you may misread many heres desires, although I do not doubt many here (myself included from time to time)as being a little endgame crazy.
I do believe a certain peace is and must be possible, just not any time soon with the current events, although I agree that it is the beginnings of what we do that create the end result, and the sooner we all begin healing, the sooner we can surpass the ugliness of violence.
BTW, there is a healing section in the forums for everyone to get involved in such things.
I personally believe as an addition that people such as the ones on these forums and out there in the wars and rebellions fighting are all necessary, but that it is not my meaning that everyone needs to be this way.
Our world needs its evil and good (I will for one use the words because they do not have to define people, but for the actions and intentions)for the balance of our world is what brings beauty.
This is also not to say that violence and death and destruction is beautiful, but if one cannot see the beauty in the cycle of life, one lacks the foresight to see beyond five seconds ahead of them.
Embracing what we are is life.
Founder, Im sorry, I know your trying to give people the insight to do what ever it is they need to do, but if you really dont want to convince people of your belief (no matter how much you truly believe it yourself)and are just arming them with the knowledge, do just that and stop worrying about what people think.
I have my opinions and Im sorry, your war is still just another war to be fought if it happens, but it wont be with metaphysics and telepaths. Another war is another war on our planet, something that constitutes people dying, and it wont be in any glorious ways.
sacrificing oneself for another is one thing, but the last thing people will be worrying about while this war is happening is whether the thread in our universe is tearing or degrading.
The maya didnt have any prophecy about that occuring, their belief was that on the 21st, the equinox (which will occur)will bring the sun and a planetary alignment across the milky way to create "The Tree of Life," which you can look at from many different angles, since the maya used very accuratly their astronomy for both structural and architectural beauty and use, harvesting and production of goods, weather patterns, as well as using in the slightest a variation of techniques to understand human development since our species are affected by seasonal, yearly, and daily changes, etc etc.
There was no prophecy by them on any war...ever for the year 2012.
Read up on them if you like, but expand beyond the mayan factor, and moreso into the actual civilizations before, during and after.
oltec, toltec and aztec.
anyways, all I am saying is there are enough soothsayers telling and forecasting wars for different reasons, under different banners, and really, a war is expected, it really is, and not even because of any prophecies although you can always pull a current event and propogate some historical forecasting of an event and relate the two. Very simple, not too mention satisfying on many different levels.
A war is expected because in the congo there is a war, in israel there is a war, in iraq there is a war...my god man, there has been wars going on constantly for thousands of years.
A war to end all wars under some idea that it is because of the degredation of the astral and physical realm isnt a silly notion, it is just another notion among thousands.
Not that I dont hope for that kind of war because that means that maybe Ill be able to manipulate reality surrounding ICBM missiles and detonate them all creating a chain event that destroys one third of the earth if not all.
The Mayans, I can't be bothered checking to see if I did but I should have made it clear that I don't trust them. I used them only as an example of evidence that had been thrown at me. (Odly enough in an atempt to disprove me.) I did however, make it quite clear that I offor no evidence as I know there isnt any. Please do not rely on the (briefly mentioned at best) Mayan thing and more on the fact that I have always known about the war scince birth. I would like for that to be the last time I have to say that, lol.
"but it wont be with metaphysics and telepaths." as I said earlier to claim bs or simply say 'your wrong' about anything is foolishly presumptious. Do not assume I am wrong, rather consider I may be right but remain skeptical.
Jennedots, I do care what people think, or their own sake. You are right however and I am not here to convince people, as I myself said. I will not however ignore straight forward questions and I will debate with those who are cynical not because I disbelieve them but simply because I want to see why they disbelieve me. I don't assume to know all the truth. If somebody thinks I am wrong about soemthing they must have a sensible reason for doing so. I search for the real truth, and I will accept that truth whatever it may be. I know we do not ahve the luxury of chosing our own truths and so when I debate I am simply trying to make both of our arguments clear and looking for a compramise. In order to find the truth you must search in yuor heart and trade with others who have done the same.
I will always however put my knowledge out there to eb heard, in that you can trust.
The Founder
Ah goody. Someone else who can see past the bullsh*t too.
Yes, I'm looking forward to these coming events, Founder. To be honest... it seems like my life is really just about preparing for what is to come. I sometimes envy those around me who can just live a 'normal' life! They seem to be a lot happier you know, not f***ing being challenged all the time, being pushed to let go of stuff, and grow stronger. And ... it's not even like I can get to a point and take a break. I get challenged, move on, and then yup! It happens again.
My life really, is about reconnecting with my spirit on a day to day basis. It's like I can't bother with things that just don't mean anything to my spirit... you know? And my energy at the moment is all about letting those things go.
But to be honest, I'm keen to do some butt-kicking mate. I don't know WHY all these new-agers seem to dislike destruction so much - I mean, COME ON, these guys (one label is the illuminati) are going to be wiped off the face of the earth, one way or another. And I'm very happy about this. This destruction has been a long time coming, and I'm going to be very happy about the space it will leave for our growth and fulfillment. Much joy to be had!
Got any idea as the timeline for the events? Like a specific year? My spirit itches [}:)]
Edit - By the way, I saw on your forum that you mentioned something about the messiah. There's a chap called Oazaki who hasn't posted around here in a while (he should be back in mid-july), but he believes that he is the coming messiah. If you read the 'The year 2004: Prediction' thread, it should explain it all... pretty long but. I certainly think there is more substance to Oazaki's words than many people seem to think.
seeing past all the bs?
There is nothing on this planet that is bs except for people trying to convince themselves to ignore the world they live in by concentrating haphazardly on a future that is uncertain.
Your willing to tell me that in your belief, each day that comes you are prepare for the future you believe to happen?
Whats going to happen then, in this future?
If you dont know for certain how do you prepare then, ignoring what the rest of us "normal" people are doing and practicing your martial arts? Meditating? Military school? Watching DBZ? Are you attempting to get a diploma? Do you have one already? Is your place of employment away for you to research what is needed for your future? Do you sit around on the computer reading what other people are posting agreeing with one person or disagreeing with another drinking whiskey sours and laughing at idiots like myself who attempt to bring rationality into topics such as these (at least rational to those of us with "normal" lives I would like to think)? Even for the inane uselessness of attempting to do so, what reason do I have to do such things? I have yet to answer that question.
So what do you do to reconnect to your spirit? Do you sit atop the tallest hill or mountain and think, feel and reflect?
Do you ingest substances perhaps believing them to widen your introspective being? Those mushrooms, man they really opened my eyes ya know.
How long have you been studying on these things? Ya know, the illuminati and such.
I wanna hear your answers cause you seem to have in your testosterone fevered post real passion, but I hear no reason, no logic as to why you would want destruction. You talk about what it will bring but man your substance seems full of rage to me.
Founder, you dont trust the Mayans? How can anybody trust or not trust what an ancient civilization wrought? Do you not trust the egyptians as well?
What is it you dont trust, their prophecies? If thats the case I already discussed minimally what their beliefs were used for. Their mythical and spiritual beliefs were greatly dispersed and varied, and although they imparted portions of that among their astronomy, it wasnt their myths that should followed.
Did you not trust whether they existed or not? Let me asure you they did.
Perhaps you are confused as to how others such as Jose Arguelles (I believe that is his name, correct me if Im wrong) fed into the mayan machine.
Next, I dont rely on "The Mayan" thing, I rely on cultures and civilizations to have done, do and will do what is in human nature to do. Exist under what ever they believe is the best system for themselves, and Im sorry, there is no way I would EVER rely on someone who thinks they have known about war since birth.
Do you live in the middle east? Have you been dominated over for centuries? Have you lived in the Congo under strict regiment? Are you part of an underground revolution?
Id like to know this cause I find it absurd that someone would tell anybody to rely on their knowledge, especially when that person is saying they have known something they could not possibly know for their entire lives since birth.
Have all your past lives been relived and if so, were each one of them in every single war and conflict that has existed?
Im sorry, I respect you as a person, I do, but your notions to me are insubstantial and flitty at best with good intentions.
I never came into these forums with my own intention of getting into debates, but Im seeing more and more the confusion people are attempting to spread.
You have every right to believe what you want, but I plead that you do not try and convince others (and I know you have said that you are not attempting to do so but there is no other reason why you would be here giving your opinion about what is going to happen without at least hoping to have one person {Looks like thats happened}agree with you and find their own personal outlet through your meandering)
We are meant to find truths on our own and if it means sifting through what is "BS" and what is not, so be it, but I came to realize a long long time ago that people will see what they want, and I do not have to try to convince anyone of my own beliefs (BS since this is what I am trying to do now).
You want substance?
Think back on what a messiah might truly do in our world now. Would they even have to get on the internet to spread their word?
Wouldnt their voice be enough, and wouldnt it have to be, since anyone can say anything on the net and seem like someone else with proof to back up what they say?
Would a messiah even attempt to prove anything to people?
Perhaps a messiah has no name, perhaps having all names.
Point.
Dont make any decision on who you think is a messiah just because they talk about something you agree with or give substance and meaning to your world.
I cant even define what a messiah is, can you?
(pounds desk)Damnit, Im sorry, I didnt want to get so involved here, but I always fall into the same pit over and over with the same things being argued about.
Wow, very well said Aileron. There is nothing wrong with getting into debates and the such, why? Because debates are what keep this forum alive. If everyone had conformed and believed the same thing without throwing their opinion into the air, where would this forum be? I'll tell you, no where near where it is today [:)].
T'is true that The Founder did impose his opinion, and came off somewhat preach'ish, which is probably what made you, feel like he was trying to convert or convince people. But then again, Founder, your proof just does not exist! Why? Because it is nearly impossible to predict the future, whether it maybe through intuition or visions. There are simply too many variables that go into an equation of events. So many things could go wrong, or more accurately, change the outcome of events. That is not to say that predicting the future isn't possible, but it is nearly impossible.
The confusion that people are getting trapped into are simple dillusions, or dreams that others fabricate. And it's because of the simple solution that everyone wants that makes these ideas so attractive. These days, I EXPECT, sadly, I EXPECT to see people believing in these wishful thinkings, but then again, that is what makes these forums so interesting and harmful.
Adam, what is it about destruction that pleases you? I'm sure you know about what is going on between the US and Iraqi's, the man getting his head cut-off, and the terrible things the US does to their Iraqi prisoners? Is that what you want?
Also, why would you envy others lives? It must be true then...that knowledge not only brings power, but unhappiness. If anything, you should be thankful that you are as aware as you are, but then again, "with power, also comes responsiblity". Meaning, you are given a gift, now what are you going to do with it?
~ivan
Here is one reason as to why Adam might like destruction so much:
Destruction allows us to get rid of something, to break it down, make it useless, etc.
So, the idea of destroying the illuminati might just sound appealling to him. For, if the rumors are true and they do exist, they are partly responsible for the state of things. If they are allowed to continue their existence uninterrupted, it would seem that people would continue to see what the illuminati want them to see and eventually deprive them of their free-will.
That's not to say that anyone has to be blood thirsty in their desire to destroy the illuminati.
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What are the rest of us "normal" people doing anyways but preparing for a very limited future heavily based upon the conditioning of the societies that we live in...
One man's rationale is another man's folly.
How can we communicate without influencing what other's think? Unless maybe I have the power to control how they process the information they come across... [}:)][:D] (Psssst I don't like the devil icon on this board. I think he should have an evil grin instead of a smirk) I mean, really, if you don't want to influence people, pack your bags and head to the furthest away cave. There certainly have been moments when I've considered doing such a thing.
We depend upon people's beliefs in order for us to have communication. We depend on people to put meaning into our words.
If you were The Founder and you had this knowledge, I would think that you might feel compelled to warn people about the emminent danger. So, being the civil servant he is, he makes his knowledge (and when I use the term knowledge I don't mean that his or anybody elses knowledge is absolute) available to others. If someone comes across the information and relates to it and researches it and talks to people and comes to a conclusion as to take The Founder's information and accept it as true, I would think that The Founder would be glad that this person decided to open her eyes and now is more prepared and might decide to help out. On the other hand, if someone read what he said and went "alright, I believe, I'm going to renounce my life and go train in the dumpster behind Wendy's" I would hardly hold The Founder responsible for this person's lack of discernment. Of course, this is 1 out of at least a million ways to look at this situation.
I must be a 3 [:D] *hugs*
Well, seems like i caused a litle stir. Good!
"The Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva symbolize the forces of Creation, Sustenance and Destruction. We see these forces at play in our every day life. There is birth (Janam), life (Jivan) and death (Mrityu). This applies to all forms of life. This phenomenon is always in motion and forever changing."
A quote taken from: http://www.indianest.com/hinduism/007.htm
That kind of sums up how I feel about the role the forces of destruction plays in this world. That it is part and parcel of the universe, and necessary for our fulfillment. I'm sure in your spiritual journey you have needed to let go of parts of yourself that were no longer needed? That you had to shed parts of yourself? That parts of you had to die away, so new growth could come? Could we not term this destruction?
What is the point of ignoring destruction in our day to day lives? In our growth as a whole? Would this world be better off with those that some label the 'illuminati'? Or without?
Myself, it's not even so much the people. It's the consciouness, and the thought forms that are the real 'enemies' here. There are certain ways of thinking that need to be destroyed. And I champion their destruction, because I think they have outlived their usefulness.
Best to start finding where destruction fits in with your being... accept or deny it, it is a part of our being we need to face one day.
Destruction is a kind of strong for what you want to say Adam. Shedding parts of me and growing new ones would be more like changing it...or eliminating it. But definitely, destruction has a very power connotation. Watch your language son! [:D]
~ivan
destruction is the opposite of construction.
negativity is part of the universe and it's not here for us to "push from" or look to as an example of not what to do, it's here because it's here, deal with it.
sounds like you need to spend some time developing your third TESTICLE.
there is no destruction
only transformation
you cannot annhilate anything, impossible to remove completely.
always remnants, memories, stored information (akashic Wreckchords)
if you destroy something here, it becomes whole somewhere else.
when you transform something however, there is no destruction, merely evolution. It's like harmonizing chords, or tuning a guitar.
to destroy, in human terms, would mean to make useless to humans. however what is usless to humans is usefull to somthing else.
so you can destroy and make more things unavailable to us, and allow lower entities to overtake our "usless" destruction. Or we can create and make something that can be usefull to us, or to something above us.
destroy = downward spiral, constuct= upward spiral.
adam,Im happy you decided to enlighten us as to your views in more detail than what you originally wrote, because that post made you seem slightly foolish in regards to following a thread of belief without disclosing why you would feel that way.
You obviously have an open intellect, however your examples of Hindu myth regarding the three cycles of each deity representing life in each of its current wave lacks the realization that yes, although those parts of life are necessary, the people representing them are just as important as well, since they in turn often compel fate towards its path.
Thusly there is the need for people such as yourself who desire your ends, just as there is a necessity for those who desire peace/ rebirth/ construction/ etc.
Such as this, there are those as well treading a road within the realm of vishnu who must sustain the balance of the other two, linking as one might, the whole of the cycle.
We can define and redefine our own terms of how life changes and moves on, but in reality, our affect is within a great range of tones to match how something that happens is perceived.
A civilization becoming annhialated then another one either rebuilding, building atop the old, or a completely original culture then existing is a perfect example of destruction and creation while at the same time on a separate axiom when a child loses a tooth and an adult tooth grows in, there is no destruction nor creation, but transformation which some on their own personal level can define as the latter but many would just see it as a very small affect of the old falling away without pain, devastation nor loss and the new coming in.
Whatever our definition of life is, the fact is that this cycle on whatever plain it is seen as is a necessity and all who are involved as well.
Uh oh another one but i promised I would stay out of these descussins didn't I.
I am going to continue to stay out of this, havnt followed a single dam thing, not one reply, just my base knowledge on this information and the creator of this crap. but I can make some good educated guess's.
heres my views on this BS.
Its a one sided view on a crystal ball showing unlimited views on things, and the discussion itsself, i apologize if its been discussed which im sure it has, the demons are us humans, were the demons, were gonna (IF YOU ALLOW IT TOO) destroy ourselves.
If you know anything about creative energies, youll think 3-dimentional or even 4? lol
Im sticking with my zeta guides on this one, not a person that is trying to get a uprising of believers in some kind of demon cult war.
you know creative energies, youll create it, we dont need a civil war.
People use your own intuition on this bs. I know some particular people who are into this that I talk too, and there energies are blackened by there newfound beliefs, I cant even speak with them nomore, and I've been threatened already by these fools, lol hah even threatened by a evil demon apparently named Lance. You get no good believing this. no good at all, i see no love in this.
Just hope for the 4th density transformation and love, there will be no demons. only the people who will fight it the change to come like the creator of this site and more, the demon inside them,the people in the (future) demon uprising club that has been increasing more and more freightfully(SP?), and I know who I will blame and point.
So Kerblurr... who are your guides? What do they say? I'd like to hear more from you on this.
There isn't any predictions from them of any 'bad' stuff happening? You know, destruction and death and chaos, etc? Just curious...
Im sure sombody in here pictures themselves at the end as a hero standing on a rock in the middle of a battlefeild with all of humanity standing in a group behind you while a army of demons come thrashing toward you, ah...the glory. But there is the fact that if the world is comming to an end, it wont be because of a group of evil people doing it, because humans are the evil of the world, we kill, steal, pollute and destroy the innocent, so there fore we would be fighting ourselves. If any thing will kill us it will be a comet or somthing like that and I would just stop trying to predict it and leave it up to a higher power (or what have you).
thank you Wronski Feint
i see your new to this site, but you can actually think for yourself.
I'll tell you what my guides tell me, they tell me theres going to be death, but there isnt going to be demons, the demons are ourselves, like yourself who can sit there and believe demons arew gonna run down the football field with there axes of fire to kill us. You're going to be one of thoughs people who are isnt going to accept what God, and his higher beings, and beings of a higher density sent here to aid us in this change thats going to happen. its been talked about even in the bible. God forbid i cannot say this without quoting it but I will ina couple minutes, i will find it.
You people who say this s**t are the ones who will create havok and ultimately loose, cause nothing will stop this Great happening. Theres going tobe alot of people who dont even know, but cant handle the change thats going to be taking effect to there minds, and they die. but depending on what kind of person they are, depends on there reincarnation back to this world, or sent to another for a life with the other Service-to-Self species.
So, stick with your demon beliefs, but i earge you to go outside and see some light in your eyes for once.
Aha -- I am just glad that the "predicted" Civil War Month is almost over.[:P]
Whatever and whenever the Great Anything happens, as usual, some will live, some will not. In the meantime, I prefer not to worry about the end of the world. It will find me, and you too, soon enough. [;)]
kerrblur, you should be careful who you demonize in your blind accusation.
Your higher beings who guide you I would assume to be more evolved than telling you who to suffer incivility towards.
YOur notions seem to be directed towards those who do not have your same beliefs and in fact you seem to blame those who do not, for events that have not and even might not occur.
So here is a little historical basis to tread upon.
first, it has been religious zealots and bible preachers who have directed anger and passionate heretical propoganda which has led to many wars and in fact in the most of uniquely hypocritical ways, the most recent, Al-Quada's own crusted beliefs in a Jihad against the US calling the US Infidels and so on, yet completely disregarding the muslim beliefs.
second, if any war does occur in the future, it will not be because of intelligent people such as Wronski feint who obviously has some sense of reality in how a majority see themselves, but people such as yourself who throws attack upon those who only try to enlighten without complete presumption.
third, who ever said anything about demons running down a football field with axes of fire?
You want to enlighten people with your wisdom, dont tell them they are the reason for wars in the future, or whatever you were trying to say.
not trying to get into an argument, just be careful with your wording.
[|)]
Kerrblur, just curious, but how many of those judgements were leveled at me? I wish to know this before I can answer sufficiently.
Edited - hung over
Non of them are directed towards you, they are directed towards the concept of this theory, which You are right, I cannot say I am right and Did i ever say My way is right? directly word for word?, but I can speak my oppinion on something that has caught my attention. something that right now in this world with crucial(SP?) times, doesnt need to be spread to people.
I am well taught in the practice of creative energies, now im not gonna go into that, in another thread perhaps. even trying to put yourself in a position to think about something soo bad, such hate, and violence around us is totally faithless thinking and you wanna talk about something like that knowing what creative energies are will bring people This much closer ---- to making it true. Defending it, I cant believe your sitting here right now trying to.
Now, I do not want you guys telling me that, 'i am trying to say Im right', My argument with this, is the fact of people 'choosing' to believe such a terrible event.
Think 3 dimentional about what your defending.
in fact alot of people are going to die in the coming years, I'm probably going to die too, lots of things are going to happen, but for the GOOD. and at this time of age with whats going on in the world, right now, we want peace, but noone honoestly thinks it but they want it. but dont initiate it.
So you think spreading the news about a demon war is going to help towards the process of the awakening? Then following the transformation shift to the other density? people who think this excrement, dont think about love, peace, faith, god. Specially God, if you do, he dont want you too, unles you drop this horrifick idea, cause your TALKING about a demon war for God's sake.
okay, im talking bull crap right now, I'm hung over, and i feel like a hammer is pounding my head, but Im not talking crap about something i dont know about, I read quite alot about this topic, and I also say, and constantly preach if you would spend the time to get to know me first before accusing me, I always preach how noone needs to prove themselves right.
And I showed you this now. The demon war is believable, but only if you want it.
Kerrblur, I thought that you were quick to make some judgements about the people here. Me, like probably everyone else posting here, can feel that we are certainly only around the corner from some rather large events, and I am simply on a bit of a search to find what is coming. I really do not know anything about a 'demon' war... it's just that I can feel a great fight going on right now, and I wish to try and get the bottom of that feeling, and where I fit in to the picture.
On another note, I noticed your post about the asteroids, and I've been following that up... if this is true... and I've got a strong feeling it is.. *really* strong.. then we are in for a hell of a ride, eh?
Adam,
I am really glad I have turned your thoughts around, I can feel your thoughts are heading towards the right direction. Listen to the words you said right, and you can tell that by just that little amount of sh*t that you said, means your guides are helping you consdier other things.
Trust me when I say okay, that once you start researching the other aspects of coming events, You will feel more comfortable with it, you wont fear it, and you will lol start to understand my side of things when I talk about great changes that are going to happen to us; Not this manipulating information to 'sway' you from the good.
Follow your intution on this, it may take a couple of months but it will come to you. With me, I would read some information about something, and not hear/read anything else for along time, then I stumbled upon //www.zetatalk.com. After this, it naturally just came to me, lol almost like a paper that said, 'life's answers' just landed on my hand.
Just ask your guides for the answers
they will hear it, and will send it to you at the proper times.
(stares blankly)
uh....
so kerrblur, what your saying is we need to think 3 dimensionally about what we are defending?
How? And what are we defending?
You tell us
"So you think spreading the news about a demon war is going to help towards the process of the awakening? Then following the transformation shift to the other density? people who think this excrement, dont think about love, peace, faith, god. Specially God, if you do, he dont want you too, unles you drop this horrifick idea, cause your TALKING about a demon war for God's sake."
why are you telling anyone this? What this says is that if people who think these ideas are also thinking about god, then god does not want them to think about god.
why not?
"Now, I do not want you guys telling me that, 'i am trying to say Im right', My argument with this, is the fact of people 'choosing' to believe such a terrible event."
people will decide what ever they choose to believe whether you have any factor in it or not, but the way you are wording yourself is really confusing.
Are you saying that you are arguing that people would actually believe in such an event, even while you tell us at the same time, that many people will die in a war or something that kills a vast majority of humanity?
"okay, im talking bull crap right now, I'm hung over, and i feel like a hammer is pounding my head, but Im not talking crap about something i dont know about, I read quite alot about this topic, and I also say, and constantly preach if you would spend the time to get to know me first before accusing me, I always preach how noone needs to prove themselves right."
So your talking bullcrap, but your not talking about bullcrap that you know about because you read alot about this topic?
What topic?
You have had no substance in anything, relating to any relevant issues except "thinking 3 dimensionally."
What have you read, and what makes you think that because of things you read, you know all there is to know about what ever it is you are talking about?
YOu want knowledge? Get off the net and live your life.
Let me tell you how I feel, because I dont know if I have ever made that clear enough in these forums.
I do believe something is going to happen. Strongly, soulfully and deeply do I believe this.
I believe it so much in fact that I associate every little aspect of my life to this issue.
I do not have a religion, because they are all false. All.
When I say this though, do not mistake that as a statment of heresy or disbelief in god, rather mans follied judgement to institute what he believe gods will is upon the rest of society. This is why wars happen.
I do have spirit, I have strength of passion, and the conviction to put faith in myself before a god though, because if god as a being exists, I must love myself before I can even begin to attempt love for something I know nothing of.
If god is the being of existence, the total, the all and amaranthine, then knowing and believing in myself before anything else, would be putting God there as well wouldnt it?
What ever does happen though, as much as I want to learn about it, and tell others what I feel is going to happen, I refuse to tell people what I think, not only on the basis that the majority of what each individual believes differs so greatly that not all of us can be right, but because they are and should be my personal motivation.
You want to talk about people not knowing peace and love and god, when in reality it sounds like you are just as confused, and scared as the rest of us.
We learn from ourselves, and from those around us and every little insignifant little details of our lives.
If you believe you can learn all you need about the future from books or the internet, you are mistaken.
if there is divine presence, I truly believe then that there is no need to force ourselves upon one another physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
The will of one, is the will of all, just let it go and relax.
So tell me more about these guides of yours...
And what do you think of Nancy from zetatalk?
Believing in this war helps the process of the awakening? what are you talking about Aileron. Okay, believing a war with f*cking demons period is something out of this world, LOL wait i shouldnt be saying that lol. Its UNHEARD OF.
read about creative energies, if ANYTHING AT ALL, you Aileron would be one of the many other groupies that warship demons cause your all up on there nuts all the time, telling people how there going to rise and kill us.
And I never said people werent going to die in the coming years, I was saying people who 'cannot' except the change will die. There (in my oppion) will be two different kinds of people dieing.
One - Man who fights, fears, Kills, Hates, refuses change . . .
One example would be this, when this excrement happens, LETS says this theory RIGHT here, this thread, this demon s**t, gets spread ALL alround the world, and so theres a bunch of NAZI-like groupies running around the world creating havok when they see these 'races' from higher densities, like you for example cause you like to hate, you like to defend something that shouldnt be here, its the demon inside you for example. someone else can keep explaining this.
two - Now, these are the people who may know about the change or may not, but when this change starts to hit our heads, The worlds going to have one big giant HeadAche!!! There will be lots of people that die just from the earthchanges, like the poleshift , then these people who cannot handle the shifts that are happening in there minds, and some will die there. and dont forget people dieing cause of the Nazi-going Devil Prancers that love to do anything but what is right. With these people dying, and
(I believe you dont have to mr. Aileron)
Depending on there current actions on that life, and if they were caring for other people, or more like a person who thinks for themselves. If they were good hearted, they were persumed to reincarnate on the new born earth, to help start the new human race
The others, the ones like you(just a example!) who talked and defneded this war, and the demon inside you, got you soo worked up, you tried fighting what was right, therefore, when you all are gone, you reincarnation is placed at a different location other than earth in my beliefs.
Adam, Nancy is a Very Very intelligent person.
Essentially, what we're all saying is bullcrap to each other. It's all relative. You have your own beliefs and blah blah blah...
Honestly, what you read in zetatalk, don't believe it all fully. Always keep a skeptical mind.
~ivan
You are right, I do still think for myself. There are some things on zetatalk, that are could have questions to them, but its the percentage of what I believe that gets me ;)
Plenty of thoughts going around.
My take is that 'war' symbolizes itself through many levels of reality.
War is a form of chaos, and chaos is needed for order. Winter must occur for Spring to arrive. Macrocosmically, this occurs in various levels. The way it sounds from a few here is that this war will be 'physical' yet where it truly counts is in our transmitted frequencies, our individual vibrations.
Millions of light-workers are here. Some are observers and some are here to meddle with designated and reinforced time-locks placed on sets of primary-events. This is how time is established. Some light-workers are here to awaken for certain ambitious assignments that collectively change the upcoming set-of-events. That's my take anywho.
If you listen to channeled material, they speak of 36 million Nephalim (David and Goliath) arriving around the same time of the transition (2012), so in that sense, perhaps that's the physical-war The Founder is speaking of. I'm more interested in setting my vibration in-tune to awaken vital information stored within my cells. The holes in the ozone-layer are allowing light-rays to enter the earth and breach some of the controlling frequencies (like the moon) from keeping us asleep. People will transitionally awaken with strengthened abilities as their 'junk' DNA realigns itself to the 12-DNA strand structure.
Hmmph, there's so much to talk about in this subject that I can't help but ramble. Sorry! [xx(]
Hmm, no don't cut yourself down BlackBox. Yours is the most interesting post I've read in this thread. Please, carry on. Share your views with us [;)]
Well this is the thing.
The world as it is NOW, has a way of showing objective-observers which way truly is the path of truth, and which is filled with crumbs of truth engulfed with propaganda and lies, for the purpose of control via distraction. Imagine a fire which represents truth and massive logs that are put ontop of it, sufficating the fire in order to produce MAXIMUM levels of smoke. The smoke symbolizes our media including politics and mostly the entertainment industry. In short, smoke = distraction. The word that serves it best is the german-word, "kitsch". An example of kitsch in the 20th century would be millions of reproductions of brilliant pieces of art, like the Mona Lisa. This is to allow every average person to be able to have a great piece of art in their home, so that they feel THEY are in CONTROL, whereas it is just a form of distraction through the art of diverting the ego, which is our most blinding characteristic.
So...if you look at everything that is promoted such as monotheistic religions, CNN, tycoon celebrities, much of it is just a form of control through subtle or blunt approaches.
The sad thing about this is in a world such like this, the only forces that stand up to it are basically metaphysical, 'new-age', or validated channels like the Cassiopaeans, Ra, Q'uo, and Pleidians. They are heavily discredited, and there's the key word, "discredit". So in a world such like this, what is discredited by the majority, should be heavily focused on by the objective-observer. Why is it discredited? What are they saying about it? Are they attacking the source, the material, or the people bringing it up? (abusive ad hominem)
I'm not saying you look into channelings WITHOUT a skeptical mind, but that these specific ones are HEAVILY discredited, which to me is like the powers-that-be pointing a big red-flag for all those who want to know who's making actual progress with truth-seeking.
From all of my readings that I persistently cross and lateral reference with other materials and my intuition, this planet had an original purpose that is currently manipulated. Not just that, but the planet is in 'quarantine' from the majority of the outer-universe. This is why we are so harshly engulfed in 'reality'...where we don't believe in magic, we don't believe in dragons, we don't believe in the past. Myths are discredited as folk-tales, yet where is the root of the myth? History transitions into legend and legend transitions into myth in under 400 years (or so). That's all it takes for truth to be distorted into a fable.
And then there's 'disjecta membra' which basically means when a multi-dimensional catacylsm occurs:
1.) Macrocosmic cataclysm - Comets, etc.
2.) Microcosmic catacylsm - civil wars, world-wars, mass annihilation
Then the survivors are scattered for many years before they can even ATTEMPT to restructure what was destroyed. This would naturally take a huge turn in progression and after a few thousand years, society would have forgotten their past and labeled it 'myth'. T.V.'s would be called 'shining-light-projecters' and etc...things would be definately confusing for a child of the new millenia to ever be informed of what their past truly was.
So I believe there have been many many past civilizations. The cycle of winter (cataclysm) occurs with dawning a new spring (beginning of a new cycle).
In reference to channeled transcripts, the Atlanteans, 13,000 years ago, were on the earth with the Ramans and the Osirians (I guess the major nations equivalent to the U.S., Russia, britain, etc) in which the population was approximately 6-billion. That is the time when the multi-dimensional catacylsms ocured. The survivors of the Atlanteans created the pyramids (designed for weather-control), and the descendants (Egyptians) once again forgot everything factual and replaced it with what the powers-that-be felt comfortable spreading thinly to their children, until thousands of years later in the year 2004, the majority of the planet is consumed with so much distraction, so much kitsch, that IF a person came and told us the truth via mass-communication, he would be mauled, mocked, laughed at, and probably either discredited to a mental-asylum, executed, or he would vanish! If one day a guy comes and tell us the world is not flat, but round, what side would you pick if all you ever knew was just put into a trash-bin?
There's some of my thoughts...hehe [:D]
hah your a genius, I love your thoughts, I want you to go deeper in your thoguhts, ill bring questions to you. you answer them with your 'thoughts'. :) nice to meet you.
kerrblur, the problem I have, is that I cant understand what you are talking about. I have read through your posts, and they are chaotically derived from different methods of thought. They seemed minced to me. Your structure is hard to follow.
You are also quite an assuming person.
I was never talking about demons having anything to do with a war, not once until you had mentioned meteors symbolizing demons on a football field?
Im a groupie?
Of what?
You think me full of rage? Of hate, yet you know nothing of me, or the things I do in my life.
The ones like me who talked and defended the war and the demons inside me?
When did I defend any war or demon?
I dont honestly believe in demons to tell you the truth, at least not in any biblical sense.
I believe the demons are ignorance, mistrust and hate none of which I will pressume to attach to your personality as I have no idea who you are.
All I wanted was clarification of what you were talking about, and you never answered any of my questions. Only trying to prove once again that which confused me in the first place. Since I dont think you will in a manner I can understand, forget it.
Let me be direct, Blackbox, although presenting the ideas and opinions and knowledge they have, a majority of which I agree with, and some I dont, gave their thoughts in a way I could understand. That allows me to research into what they are saying and make my own decision based on what I have found and read on my own.
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Let me be direct, Blackbox, although presenting the ideas and opinions and knowledge they have, a majority of which I agree with, and some I dont, gave their thoughts in a way I could understand. That allows me to research into what they are saying and make my own decision based on what I have found and read on my own.
Go for it, Tiger!
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Well this is the thing.
The world as it is NOW, has a way of showing objective-observers which way truly is the path of truth, and which is filled with crumbs of truth engulfed with propaganda and lies, for the purpose of control via distraction. Imagine a fire which represents truth and massive logs that are put ontop of it, sufficating the fire in order to produce MAXIMUM levels of smoke. The smoke symbolizes our media including politics and mostly the entertainment industry. In short, smoke = distraction. The word that serves it best is the german-word, "kitsch". An example of kitsch in the 20th century would be millions of reproductions of brilliant pieces of art, like the Mona Lisa. This is to allow every average person to be able to have a great piece of art in their home, so that they feel THEY are in CONTROL, whereas it is just a form of distraction through the art of diverting the ego, which is our most blinding characteristic.
So...if you look at everything that is promoted such as monotheistic religions, CNN, tycoon celebrities, much of it is just a form of control through subtle or blunt approaches.
The sad thing about this is in a world such like this, the only forces that stand up to it are basically metaphysical, 'new-age', or validated channels like the Cassiopaeans, Ra, Q'uo, and Pleidians. They are heavily discredited, and there's the key word, "discredit". So in a world such like this, what is discredited by the majority, should be heavily focused on by the objective-observer. Why is it discredited? What are they saying about it? Are they attacking the source, the material, or the people bringing it up? (abusive ad hominem)
I'm not saying you look into channelings WITHOUT a skeptical mind, but that these specific ones are HEAVILY discredited, which to me is like the powers-that-be pointing a big red-flag for all those who want to know who's making actual progress with truth-seeking.
From all of my readings that I persistently cross and lateral reference with other materials and my intuition, this planet had an original purpose that is currently manipulated. Not just that, but the planet is in 'quarantine' from the majority of the outer-universe. This is why we are so harshly engulfed in 'reality'...where we don't believe in magic, we don't believe in dragons, we don't believe in the past. Myths are discredited as folk-tales, yet where is the root of the myth? History transitions into legend and legend transitions into myth in under 400 years (or so). That's all it takes for truth to be distorted into a fable.
And then there's 'disjecta membra' which basically means when a multi-dimensional catacylsm occurs:
1.) Macrocosmic cataclysm - Comets, etc.
2.) Microcosmic catacylsm - civil wars, world-wars, mass annihilation
Then the survivors are scattered for many years before they can even ATTEMPT to restructure what was destroyed. This would naturally take a huge turn in progression and after a few thousand years, society would have forgotten their past and labeled it 'myth'. T.V.'s would be called 'shining-light-projecters' and etc...things would be definately confusing for a child of the new millenia to ever be informed of what their past truly was.
So I believe there have been many many past civilizations. The cycle of winter (cataclysm) occurs with dawning a new spring (beginning of a new cycle).
In reference to channeled transcripts, the Atlanteans, 13,000 years ago, were on the earth with the Ramans and the Osirians (I guess the major nations equivalent to the U.S., Russia, britain, etc) in which the population was approximately 6-billion. That is the time when the multi-dimensional catacylsms ocured. The survivors of the Atlanteans created the pyramids (designed for weather-control), and the descendants (Egyptians) once again forgot everything factual and replaced it with what the powers-that-be felt comfortable spreading thinly to their children, until thousands of years later in the year 2004, the majority of the planet is consumed with so much distraction, so much kitsch, that IF a person came and told us the truth via mass-communication, he would be mauled, mocked, laughed at, and probably either discredited to a mental-asylum, executed, or he would vanish! If one day a guy comes and tell us the world is not flat, but round, what side would you pick if all you ever knew was just put into a trash-bin?
There's some of my thoughts...hehe [:D]
Quite delicious.
You guys are more supportive than ANY forum I have ever gone to.
I'm spending my time reading SD's mediation with Michael, which is taking long periods of my time. There's a certain filtration being done on the sessions, so I'm setting up questions, etc, to place for him.
I'm glad you guys find my thoughts interesting, but I'm as unoriginal as it gets. I simply go around and learn from the intersections. Intuition plus patience plus effort.
I have enjoyed all the posts on this line.
This line is also suffering from the same thing that afflicts every line
started in this forum...mainly self-thought.
Huh? All of us have a human brain, sorry! That means we all look thru
"filters" to process our information. These filters come from many things,
our religous beliefs, our upbringing, our subconscious programming (note
the word subconscious) from baby/childhood AND also from growing up and
early adulthood (peer pressure, society, family, the media, your job,
whatever fits).
And to those of you who want PROOF I tell you -- YOU ARE IN THE WRONG
FORUM! Here we ALL come to learn from each other, each one offers a piece
of food to the very watery stew, slowly, surely, it becomes savory after
many additions and is then very nourishing for all. No one is forced to
eat!
So here we are, all wanting something similar. To provide help, to look
for help, something that will help us understand and progress in SOME
manner (again, our personal interpretation of progress here).
The result? Each one of us sees from different viewpoints. Even the
aliens see from different viewpoints because of their filters (maybe even
lack of, who knows?), that is obvious. We are all different. In our own
way, we are each trying to communicate very hard with each other.
Sometimes it is amusing, sometimes sad. Maybe we can all just agree to
disagree. Nevertheless, I would (yep) like to add my own opinion to the
pile....
The Founder. Thank you for starting this line. Thank you for doing in
your heart is the right thing. (Btw, your link doesn't work, but I am at
work.) I am learning. At my age. I watch many young people on this forum
and wish I had known these things at my age. But, alas, it just wasn't the
time. Youth has energy, strength. Yes, if there is a fight, you are the
ones to do it. Thank you for preparing, for could you do no different?
All of you, realize, that no matter what is truly RIGHT, as far as
'mindset' for the 'shift', people are going to be people before, during and
after whatever happens happens.
I happen to have the opinion that the poleshift will not be a dramatic
thing. It is the astronomy-type influences (comets/asteroids, etc.) that
worry my brain. I don't like natural disasters of any kind. But this is
my big bad fear-under-the-bed. It is also my opinion that there will be
several influences happening on many levels in the upcoming years.....
My opinion is that the powers-that-be (illuminati-whatevers) that exist
will be busy plotting, using whatever leverage economically, politically,
war-wise (I have always felt war was only an economic tool),
propaganda-wise they can to keep society's attention on some problem while
still manipulating (or trying to) possible futures due to natural disasters
(tidal waves/super-quakes), etc. Then we also have the spiritual side (but
I do consider everything spritual somehow) of the heart/mind
which many will die, but some will survive (thanks to those like Founder
who know survival/protection skills). We all hear why the
good and bad aliens are all involved....but do we truly know the whole
story? I am NOT dissing you guys, I just like to keep a wary ear to the
railroad track, that's all. Like I say, it takes all kinds of us to
survive, whether anything disastrous happens, or it's just the aliens that
make a landing....things will start to pop one way or another! So we need
those that communicate well with aliens too. And the "this is all crap"
gang....we need you too. We need your common sense, your earthiness,
someone to reel us back to reality from time to time and re-evaluate what
kind of ground are we really standing on at this moment.....
The "all is love" gang, people are going to need you like kids love candy.
Whether natural disasters happen or not, one thing is for sure. Something
is going to happen. It's just a matter of how it all pans out, because we
are all earth citizens. Like true brothers and sisters we may kick and
fight when the parents aren't looking, but when the going gets truly rough,
we are there for each other.
The "i love power group" .... sorry guys...i have no words adequate for the
horrors they perpetuate now and in the future. None of us know how long
(if any) it may take for all these changes (dimension, poles, catastrophes)
to occur, as I don't think they will happen all at the same time, just
maybe in the same generation. The dimensional change is one of heart and
it affects the physical (as the heart/spirit always does) and a split may
occur when the earth passes thru this photon belt (that even scientists are
finally admitting exists anad will happen), or it may take a few
generations, who knows for sure? And when/if the natural calamities take
place, God help us all on earth. We will need those with survival and
battle skills to protect many who cannot defend themselves. Just for the
survival of the human race as a specie. Natural disasters would stop
crops, no food at the store, possibly no reliable water at all. People in
the cities would start killing one another off very soon, very soon. For
those not coalescing in protective tribal groups, the old "law of the
fittest" will prevail. Many will die during this time, exceedingly many.
Not to mention the government probably adding to the fire by enforcing
marshall law and not letting people out to forage for water or food in the
woods.
I found a website that shows the NASA space calendar. It has a list of all
the "events". You cannot tell much from it, but one I found scared me
alot. One asteroid has been paralelling the earth orbit for a good while
now. Just think, if something else comes too close, like a passing
planetary influence, or the comets that they are talking
about.....well.....you see my concern.
This was a long wordy post. [:I]
I commend the young. Keep up the unique thoughts from ALL angles. We need
every angle in the future to survive. You will have to learn to think,
fight, and survive on your own because most likely most of us adults may
not live thru this. The main thing is learn to think! Don't let the
government or society or friends tell you you are stupid or unworthwhile!
Lives may depend on you.
And when you come thru it. Remember, and learn from the mistakes of your
forbearers....Teach UNDERSTANDING, TOLERANCE, COMMUNICATION, and hopefully
peace will prevaid between humans and aliens, and other dimensional beings
of this earth and not of this earth. Love the earth your mother and she
will provide for you all.
Thank you.
PuffAddr
Gotta stir it. Gotta stir it.
Well Blackbox, I found your posts quite enjoyable. It's not so much the specifics, but rather the viewpoint, the perspective, that I find so noroushing. I wish more people would speak CONSCIOUSLY from their perspective and be open about it, rather then try to be correct or find the 'truest' viewpoint. I can tell that you've taken these thoughts inside yourself, and come up with your own perspective. So, I actually consider your thoughts quite original in this regard.
I mean, I've read things before along similar lines, but your presentation, perspective is unique, and what makes it so fresh.
You're certainly passionate PuffAddr. This is good, because passion comes from the heart, and will overcome barriers set forth by the ego and the mind. [:)]
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I mean, I've read things before along similar lines, but your presentation, perspective is unique, and what makes it so fresh.
That's really awesome to get feedback like that. My thoughts are from back and forth jibber-jabber and banter from reading, then conversing and debating, and then finally I found myself settling down with having interpreted a lot of information.
I think it's important for people to know that the cycle of the Universe never ends. Every event occurs repetitively for eternity. Every thought has its place and that negativity is a choice, a preference, not a situation to dwell on. Most people who find life tough or unfair have already fell into a pit of creating a pedestal. They see what others have in human-form and memorize what happiness is for others so that they can one day emulate success for themselves. Instead they should realize that reality, at this level, is like an ocean. Our bodies + minds harness our sails and decide which course/path we lead to. To make something happen, you have to do two things: (1) set your mind-frame of what you want, so that IT will attract itself towards you. Reality is plastic and it actually bends to the whims of our intentions. (2) To be able to recieve what you manifest/bend towards you, you must discipline your actions to be receptive of the manifestations. Like you can't just think things and have them occur miraculously. That's only half of the job. You have to do to recieve. However, in 4th Density, which is where I'll be seeing you soon Adam, our thoughts are given the power that we wish they were given in 3D. Wishful-thinking literally manifests itself in that level of awareness, so those who are stressed right now should keep this in perspective and that all they must do is take a few deep-breaths and think positively, and most importantly, objectively. Act like a bird and see things from a few miles up.
There are many things that will occur that will test ones faith. There are a set of religions designed to make the majority of the world HATE and DESPISE true spiritualists. When the time comes, you will see religions as one of the main causes for the great wars to come. A false prophet will come, with blue eyes and blonde hair perhaps, and he will dazzle the world with magic and wonders (which all humans have innately built in via their pituitary/pineal glands and via the chemicals that are produced by our endocrine system) and he will gain the faith of the religious. Even if this particular event 'doesn't happen, something along these lines will occur, because the Powers-that-Be certainly will not give-up until they play out all of their cards. Religion being an Ace.
I doubted myself earlier, until you gave your comment Adam. I considered myself, within, unoriginal because everything I know mostly comes from reading other people's works. Yet you made me realize that I'm leaving out my intuition that led me there. The intuition that has led me there and back, in fact, with a bird's point-of-view/perspective that is highly more objective than the perspective I had months/years before. So, in those regards, I have grown and perhaps my words add to the words I have read. Even if it is still just the same song, different verse.
TheFounder is correct on stating there is a war coming. "As Above, So Below". By the virtue of objectivity, the Universe has 'structure'. By the virtue of subjectivity, the Universe creates 'chaos'. Chaos dawns ends and beginnings of cycles. If you can imagine a complicated molecule BREAKING UP as for the PURPOSE of rearranging itself, that is the purpose of chaos. Chaos can also be subjectively described as negative if human-emotions are given enough lee-way and perhaps even called 'evil' if one truly dwells within their subjective mindsets. Again, it's all about perspective. What does one believe? Are we here for no reason, no purpose? Are the deaths we see, the deaths many of us contribute to, for nothing? Are they in vein or are they part of the virtue of subjectivity which is a representation of the 'chaos' element?
For example, there are people who now believe due to the news, politicians, and the 'experts' that the sun can 'hurt us'. That it is dangerous. A natural energy source that is the primary conductor of life on our planet is being discredited and people ignorantly believe so and dump chemically-induced sun-lotion with god knows what in it. I would think skin-cancer comes more from such chemicals than the sun. The same sun that countless species live upon, thrive upon. The same sun NATURE uses to convert to pure-energy.
I'm rambling right now, but I tend to enjoy just free-flowing my thoughts. I think they lead to good conlusions. I've had to water-down my ideas on other forums due to being ridiculed with not being understood. Of course there were always people who enjoyed my thoughts, but when I ramble, I tend to type grammatically less than perfect, and they dwell on the little errors rather than admitting I'm expressing some genuine, sincere thoughts.
The world is becoming more interesting every day. Of course, chaos will maximize its presence in the coming years, but it is all for a reason. Many of us say "Oh gosh, I dont want all this stuff to happen" yet they subconsciously, originally picked this time to exist in BECAUSE of what is taking place now. It is a very exciting time for observers. But for those who dwell on materialism (I dont mean those who enjoy materialism but those like Christina Aguilera who wear pounds of make-up and have a hired crew of people to keep her physically 'satisfied' which is a form of materialistic addiction) will continually resist the idea that chaos is occuring and that life MUST change. Change is natural. Clinging to something is what is NOT natural. If something is not going your way, you go with the flow instead of going against the grain. It's like walking up-river with the rapids growing stronger and stronger and yet ones ignorance BEGS the mind to remain thick and delusional.
Oh yes, there will be wars. But what is the worst that can happen? Death? Hah! There is NOTHING to worry about in the realms of death, except worrying about it. In fact, worrying about it, as I have stated above, will manifest it towards you and multiply the likeliness of it occuring. Add a few actions that correspond to that, and you get what you intentionally thought you were attempting to avoid.
My two cents anyway. [:D]
Oh and I have to admit something...Australians tend to love me, so you may be biased in the way you percieve my thoughts.
[:o)]
Asking for proof should not be considered taboo. If you are going to walk up to me and tell me something I believe is completely false, either you give me a reason to believe (aka proof), or you go on your merry way having wasted your breath.
Tell me, what is the point of sharing your views if everyone just says, "Hmm that's nice. Maybe a war is coming maybe not." There is none. We got a potpourii of ideas that no one puts any stock in. There's no point in tossing around ideas that no one accepts. To accept an idea, a valid reason must be presented. Multiple people claiming the same things about reality is one decent one, if nothing else is used (like everyone saying a demon war is coming). Proof of telekineses through a video is a much better example of one. Unless Beavis is just straight out trying to fool everyone, his video proves that telekineses is possible.
Here is a question, how many of you have trained in areas other than Astral Projection? I honestly became interested in the metaphysical when i was 10, and started goofing with the basics of Psi when i was 12, and then stopped when I was 14 to pursue AP. Now, between age 12 and 14, my parents learned of my interests, and I also learned a type of healing involving Psi, not sure of the name. Anyways, I cannot gurantee I can project anytime i wish, but I know for DAMN sure my healing abilities WORK. I have assisted the healing of a broken arm, and had it healed in 2 weeks, and cleared a pinched nerve in 2 days that would normally take surgery. I never thought much of this, more on the lines as it is simple and I never notice it as a special ability to be able to act as a moderately skilled healer at MY AGE.
Concentration and natural fighting ability are never really on someones mind, but some people, the oddballs, have no reason other than their own instinct to improve these skills. We have boxers, we have football players, we have our modern military men, we have those who train in martial arts for nothing more than the thought of being skilled.
While I hate to have people thinking this, I do have an ingrained mental beleif that something is going SERIOUSLY wrong with this world, and that we are running ourselves out of time. Someone said avoid the possibility of the problem by taking it out ahead of time, prevent this possible "war"....well, why not?
I know where I stand with my abilities, I can heal others spiritually to a certain extent, and I am a football player sized guy, and have practiced with a sword i crafted,out of sheer boredom. I have a knack for shooting, be it bow or rifle, I love learning about weaponry.
My views on this possible war is really unique. I am NOT prepared, never would be, nor would anyone. But at the same time, I have the feeling its possible but never going to happen, much like I feel its POSSIBLE for someone to gun me down at school, but im not concerned they would.
I know it sounds rediculous basing beleifs on unproven things but its GUT INSTINCT that has me feeling the way I do, not any doomsayer you could bump into. The problem here is, I AM the doomsayer, I just keep my mouth shut, because I have no idea where its coming from or what it possibly means.
Perhaps the world won't be annihilated by an asteroid, perhaps the polar ice caps won't melt, perhaps humans will push on for many more years, but I feel that this WON'T happen, and i have no idea why. I do beleive though, that a merge between the astral realm and this one is a good chance, because think about it, we as humans are spiritual regardless if we want to be or not, and its the non that are always fighting the possibility of a god or divine plan/purpose.
Now my question is, how often does someone stroll up to you and tell you to be ready for the rest of your life? NEVER....so I suggest everyone take a good long look at themselves, realize what they have, love themselves for it, and move on in life. If we do have a great and honorable fight ahead, so be it, but lets not dwell on what is to come, because if we do, we waste our time pushing aside greater acheivements as a race. If our time is coming, all of the worlds prejudices, seperating race, sex, creed....They will all vanish in our finest hour and either all of our race will unite or we are all going to perish, its that simple. It applys to anything, we have shut down a greater opponent on many occasions throughout history, but that greater opponent has always had its own, brainwashed, massive group to do its bidding. Various revolts in history, the world wars, all of it shows when people set aside most of their differences and fight for a greater good/evil.
So, do not dwell on that which NOBODY can comprehend at this time, otherwise you will be the brainwashed fighting for the WRONG side should that time ever come. Live your life to your fullest, enjoy yourself, and disregard your fears until the day they are going to be proven or refuted, because you may actually never experience that which perfects you as a person should you change your ideas for fear of a coming conflict.
Be like me, confident in life and have a good time. Leave these thoughts where they belong, back of your mind [^]
Hi Psi,
Back of your mind, eh? Indeed, but some of us still need to discuss it before putting it there. Personally I share your opinions to the "T", but I am urged to speak my opinions to some others so that perhaps what they haven't yet heard, can be taken to account.
Anyways...more about you know because you've triggered my interest and I have a vibe I'm getting from you.
Have you ever in your life noticed 'number sychronicites'? Master numbers on clocks? 11:33, 2:22...multiples of 11 and single numbers? 11, 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 88, 99?
I am envious of your abilities. However you earned it from past-lives (which I dont mean only from the past, because many incarnations come from the future of our linear time-line).
Your confidence and sense of all of this being easy to approach is another indication of what you have earned from your various incarnations. But don't expect it to be like that in the psyches of everyone else. Many people indeed need your insight, your confidence, to be shared. It sooths some people like you wouldn't believe. Simply to hear it, even if it sometimes irritates you to repeat that which sounds like 'old news' to you.
Anyways, answer my question on the number-sychronicities.
PSI Im gonna have to agree with you. But, doomsday is questionable. Im not sure, but alot of the older souls here are noticing something..... but there is definatly something on the horizon.... and its gonna happen soon.
It may be good, bad, or both. But I fore-see great changes ahead. I dont know when or how, but somthing tells me that we are in store for a hellova ride.
But yes, I and many others sense what you are feeling now.
I've actually discussed some of the synchronicities here before. From a personal standpoint, they mean many things. Too many in fact to cover in a forum, but having been affected by them for a little over six years now, they are becoming more than just normal day occurance for me.
We each have our own synchronicity with certain numbers, each person having their individual passions and interests sometimes revolving around those numbers or factions of numbers. Sometimes the numbers just defining aspects of the self such as past incarnation, birthdates/ astrological signs(personal planet, specific kabala, etc), people, places, and so on.
Its hard to define the synchronicities though for others as I am finding as we each have to associate what the meanings are for ourselves, and maybe close friends.
Its those numbers that are the source of mass awareness that we should attempt to seek together such as you mentioned blackbox.
11, 22, 33 and so on.
11:11 Being a specific combination on the clock a vast majority are seeing.
I personally am having issues with this number as many years ago when it began to reveal itself to me I was only learning of its meaning, and now it has completely become part of who I am and what I am searching for. Not out of obsession or pyschological conditioning but because of full blown deep association with the number that I never knew existed until some months back.
Anyway, the numbers can mean a lot of things as was mentioned ealier, we can seek I-ching or astronomy for associations relating to our life direction, but I believe that there is more hidden in some of the numbers such as 11, 22, etc.
Read into the numbers each time you see them, or think back through the day even the week to relate it without touching on overly reading into something.
Some believe there was an 11:11 gate that opens ever so often and allows our being to more easily trancend into astral realms, projections, dimensions, whatever you may want to call it.
While others believe it be a sign of what is coming, and has happened. Such as the twin towers falling on 9/11, and the two together looked like an 11.
Plus 2011 is the final year before we supposedly move into mayan transformation.
as has been mentioned more than once, although occuring on 12/21/2012, the year leading up to that date will be the only real chance to connect to yourself before the equinox occurs revealing the tree of life.
11 could also be a symbol of who we are, that 1 and 1 together make 2 or a whole. Meaning we need to find that other person, that one person who fills us and makes us complete before the transformation perhaps.
The whole could also be the revealing of the eye.
For instance, I see our social structure as a heirarchy, where the poverished live at the bottom of our pyramid society, and the wealthy powerful are at the top. The eye above is that finality, the 12, either the omnipresent source of who we are, the hidden conspirators, or the final clue to what may topple the pyramid.
Two other number combinations which have been showing up more recently and what I find kind of humorous, are both 666 and 777. Associations of those two should be obvious.
Those arent all my thoughts, but a quick summation of what I have seen and learned up till now.
Great thoughts.
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As before mentioned, the number 11 has special significance. In Numerology it is not reduced to a single digit.
It is a power number as is 22, 33 etc. The number 11 represents the vision. The number 22 combines vision with action. The number 33 offers guidance to the world. The master numbers 11, 22, and 33 represent a triangle. A triangle of enlightenment or illumination.
Now I personally believe that Master-Numbers are subtle signs equivalent to the hero's "call". Except "the call" is not for Super-Man and his literal archetypes, but rather light-workers.
I've come to believe that sources such as the Pleidians are correct about light-workers. First people must realize that TIME doesn't exist. Linear time is created by time-locks that reinforce primary-events. Like 2012 is a pretty good example of a primary event. Sources of disinformation even always admit to it.
If time doesn't exist, then reincarnation works backwards as well as forward. So I believe that light-workers incarnate backwards through linear-time. I believe there are millions of us, but we are engulfed among billions of regular incarnated humans. Moreover, the amnesia of birth keeps most of us so busy and distracted with real-life that we do not realize our hidden assignments, one being to meddle with time-locks, as to change history, so to speak.
I think seeing master-numbers, multiples of 11, are the subtle 'call' to those light-workers.
Blackbox, I am very interested as to where the source of that information comes from.
I have never heard of the correlation between those corresponding digits used as such and it intrigues me.
Also who made that quote used?
Aileron,
Basically I go from site to site, and try to sift from what resonates with me. Usually no site is ever dominantly accurate, but you can always come out with 'some' truth and then build on that 'some' when cross referencing with other opinions and sources.
That particular quote is from this website:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/skullandbones/index.htm
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm
The second link is where that quote is from, but the first link is interesting because it speaks about master-numbers in our skeletal structure. Of course, the perspective in which I'm speaking ("the call") has pretty much only came from my mouth so far. It's a conclusion that I am resonating with. That website, by the way, isn't particularly helpful, as it gets into master-numbers via other avenues rather than what I'm trying to define.
A more 'new-age' website has some worthy perspectives also:
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111 or 1111 Energy flow of water, money, sex, kundalini, magnetic
It happens when one of these energies manifests.
222 or 2222 In the middle of the proces of resurrection or the proces of ascension
333 or 3333 A decision number. Either one of the folowing can happen: 666 = material world or 999 = spiritual world.
444 or 4444 The Resurrection number.
555 or 5555 Christ consciousness
666 or 6666 Material world, chosen reality.
777: Symbolizes an integration of some portion of the four lower bodies with higher spiritual frequencies within the third-dimensional plane, or at level in which you are manifesting your physical reality on the Earth plan
888: Symbolizes infinity * The unified spiral of the physical merging with the Spiritual * Moving toward the completion of the ascension process through the energies of the 222 and 444
999: Symbolizes the three levels of the triune * completion.
Like I said, nothing is dominantly accurate (maybe I'm being harsh), but it can at least get us thinking. Afterall, if we 'are' light-workers, then the information is stored within our cells...just itching to be awakened through association, direct or indirect.
And it intrigues you Aileron for a very important reason. Maybe I'm becoming too much of a 'believer' and losing my sense. But let me tell you something.
We all have different centers in our bodies. Chakras or whatever you wish to call them. For half of humanity, their intellectual center is their highest. So logic and loop-like thinking is predominant in them and therefore they have the inability to CREATE.
The other half of humanity has accessibility to the higher-centers, the ones that reside within soul-pools, passively existing within the higher realms. Those who are intrigued with a passion are those who are most likely to establish a deep connection with that which defies logic and our step-by-step human-typical style of thinking. If we can become receptive to such forces WHILE still having our intellectual centers active, well...we have the best of both worlds, don't we?
It's like sailing in an ocean. Some go straight until they hit a rock or some sort of obstacle. Why? Because they do not have the ability to foresee. When you teach a kid how to ride a bicycle, what do you tell him/her? To look down and watch his feet cycle and cycle? Or do you tell him/her to look where he/she is going?
In life, the majority look down. The geniuses, the savants, the so-called illuminated, are simply the ones who learn to look where they are going.
Master-numbers, in the manner I speak of them, are subtle triggers for such awakening. If I'm right, then there are only millions of us within billions of logical 'crashers'. Out of those millions, how many of 'us' actually awaken?
That makes every single one of us very vital to a certain cause. A certain assignment.
Blackbox, thank you for the information.
I do agree though, there isnt a site out there on the net that either depicts anything wholly within its subject, or completely accurately. Thus is a single faulted aspect of communications.
When so many people have access so readily to everyones ideas, and constructs of belief, it is hard to sort out truth and distinguish a full common idea.
I will look at those sites. I find it interesting that although I have been subject to certain aspects of all that information, I didnt find these sections of knowledge correlating until now.
For instance some years ago I was referred to as an indigo child. I had no idea what that meant and although I researched minimally, I did not really find all the source of information I have just come across now.
To me that is odd, but not surprising.
As you have mentioned in your metaphor for sailing, it seems that even when we look forward, we can only look so far until we reach the crest of a wave, before we see the total or rest of what is before us.
I am curious as to what you think though. I had been exposed to all this for quite a few years now, and yet recently I came across a woman who seemed a part of me, and I for some reason was not sexually attracted to her the way I have been with others. I was attracted to her personality and though she is beautiful, had no intimate thoughts. This is a curiosity for me because I am a very sexual being, but I was able to keep a clear awareness around her and when we met we found many of our ideas coincided.
Then only days before I left for Mexico, we found that our Mayan numbers were both 11.
This freaked us both out, because obviously, we both have had a long time in the knowledge of the numbers and some meaning behind them.
After that so many things fell into place, and certain aspects of myself I was able to relay to her that I have never been able to relay to any other.
I left for mexico and everything pushed against me, but the moment I gave in and returned home, the number 1111 apeared everywhere, and even her name was everywhere.
There was even an street name that included her name plus home.
THis happened very quickly, and it truly leads me to think we are meant to be together.
I am curious if you know anything about lightworkers who are specifically drawn to each other.
Your thoughts?
Even though I know a lot in some sections, I still depend on the other light-workers to help me fill in the gaps of all the other territories I am vaguely familiar with.
Like, how do you find your "Mayan Number"?
I was born at 11AM.
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What you speak of sounds like more than just a 'kindred spirit'. When incarnating, especially with light-workers, you visualize many incarnating individuals (male and female) as all fragments of 1 entity. Kind of like if a light-being "JOHN DOE" wanted to come in at a certain point in linear time to fool around with a certain set of primary events, it would not just incarnate as one individual. It would incarnate as many. (I'm finding it hard to concentrate today, so bear with me if my response is crude. I believe I'm being attacked sometimes through hyperdimensional triggers causing my body to release chemicals that befuddle my thoughts, especially when answering questions such as yours)
Anyways, so the above may clarify what that womans relation is to you. There are many I's of the same being within the population. So this woman could be 'one' of your counterparts. Remember to 'feel' for her connection with you, rather than any normal coincidental interests which may be more superficial. Looking in her or (his) eyes can give a lot of subtle, subconscious validation.
11's in many cases lead to "the search" that dwells within our subconscious drives. Before incarnating and 'forgetting' our memories (stored within our cells), we planned specific triggers to occur in certain moments in life. These triggers would 'hopefully' allow us to gain the will-power to break the strain forced upon us by our programming, and to pursue the metaphysical (maybe the wrong word. Again, it's hard for me to concentrate right now. I'm trying to describe it the best I can)
Indigo children is a term people use when they are oblivious of what is occuring in the next wave of humans. Children are being born with 3-DNA strands and perhaps even more. The rest of us are recieving light-rays from solar-flares, supernovas, regular sun-rays, that are breaching through the ozone layer. Those holes in the ozone layer (funny enough the one in Australia that is well known) are actually GOOD things rather than something to be scared about like TPTB are trying to suggest. For instance, if the ozone layer dissapeared one day, our bodies would adapt rather than burn up to oblivion.
Most concepts of what we should fear are incorrect and used to keep us from revelations, realizations, and what-not. The moon for example emits frequency controls to the entire planet. It regulates birth-cycles and triggers the hormonal reactions to the populace that makes us overpopulate. The moon originally was not designed to do so, and with the transition, it will be restored to its original frequency emition. For example, women will only be able to make love for the purpose of concieving a child, once a month, rather than overload as it is now. Another thing is that women do not know that they have TOTAL power over if they have a child or not. Because of the lack of knowledge of bodily control, people think it is necessary to wear condoms and all of the other birth-control innovations.
Hmm...rambling.
It's most likely you already have an additional strand of DNA if you were labelled 'indigo'. If not, you'll be recieving them one-by-one in the coming months + years. It's vital that you maintain a deep-breathing regime and/or stretching-breathing techniques like Qigong or its branched techniques. These types of regimes develop your bodies' bioelectric circuitry. In short, it adapts your body to BE ABLE to recieve and properly interpret the light-rays. Being out-and-about in the sun is very good too. Just 10 minutes on each side of your body can purify and cleanse many of the things that are being induced into you, like the flouride in tap-water. I have plans to make a simple water-purification device, but at my age I need to be clever to be able to make proper connections so as to fund these types of ventures properly.
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Back to that woman. She may just be another "I" counterpart, so don't worry about it being 'love' or meant to be as a soul-mate.
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I guess that's enough for now. Sorry if it's hard to follow.[8)]
Hmmph, this forum sometimes confuses me. It has so many cool functions that I haven't seen on other places, but sometimes it says someone replied, yet when I check, there is no reply.
For example "Nay" was checking out the thread and when I checked the active topics, it said Nay had replied. I went over to check and Nay is said to be viewing the thread, but alas, no reply...
[:O]
LOL..that is because Kerrblur just loves for me to play the role of babysitter for him.. I've asked him over and over to stop the cussing..*sigh* but alas he still thinks Sh**t is appropiate. I really should raise my rates or maybe wash his mouth out with soap, maybe that will help him remember. [:P]
So what you saw was me editing..[:D]
P.S. Did you hear me this time Kerrblur.[?] Don't make me put you in the penatly box, until you learn the rules of the forum..[}:)]
Nay
Cuss words are only offensive if you choose to have them offend you. So f**k off! [;)] Edit that if you really want. But swear words...come on, words are just words, I don't understand why some people take them so offensively.
Anyway,
The 11:11 phenomena is wicked common around "awarees" (people who are aware). Still there is no explanation to it, but I figure, it's there to remind us that there is something more than what we see. I see 11:11's everyday, and everynight, many times I expect to see it! Phreaky? Nah, just wicked cool [:)]
~ivan
Wow, I'm extremely disappointed by this Ivan...[:(] Please do not to that again..I'm sorry that you feel that the forum should not have rules. Cussing brings down the quality of what we are trying to uphold. You know I don't care if one cusses, but there is a time and a place for everthing. I can't believe you did that, I thought we were friends?..I've been wrong before and I suppose it won't be the last time.[:(][:(]
Note to Nay: Next time you want to tell me something like this, either send me a PM or just reply. In no way at all was I being serious in the first part of the post. Don't take such an action so personally, to even question our relationship by this? Please, I know you well enough not to take something like this personally. And you won't see me doing it again. However, I'm not sorry at all, but I do feel sorry that you feel sorry. [:)]
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Originally posted by wantsumrice
Cuss words are only offensive if you choose to have them offend you.
Words however have a meaning behind them in most cases, and most definately in the case of cuss words. In this case they have a negatory meaning behind them, especially when not said in jest such as above. Besides said meaning, even if the meaning was removed, the said words are also vulger terms refereing to different private functions of the human body I don't need reminders about.
That said, I personally don't mind cuss words, but I can see why they'd be banned.
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The 11:11 phenomena is wicked common around "awarees" (people who are aware). Still there is no explanation to it, but I figure, it's there to remind us that there is something more than what we see. I see 11:11's everyday, and everynight, many times I expect to see it! Phreaky? Nah, just wicked cool [:)]
~ivan
Don't underestimate the power of the subconscious. If you start looking out for 11s, I wouldn't be surprised if your sub programmed itself to make you look at the clock at 11 moments, and also point out any and all 11s you come across. If I became convinved that old ladies with red dresses was some kind of sign, I'd probably start seeing them everywhere and get freaked about it too. The difference is, before hand they were there, I just didn't think anything of it.
There's no doubt there are lots of 11s in the world. The real question is, whether you notice them or not, do they really have a meaning?
I think awareness to 11's lead to awareness on the rest of the master-numbers.
In fact, each multiple of 11 has significant and particular meaning. Like odd-master-numbers like 11, 33, 55 are grouped in a transitional blend while even-master-numbers like 22, 44, 66, 88, are grouped for the 'other' purposes.
Sorry for the above paragraph. From reading it, it barely makes sense, but I mean to imply that master-numbers are cryptic and are meant to be translated in simple form.
Once I validated 11's and 33's, 22's and 44's came. After them, 55's entered. The higher numbers I do not see as many times because I only pay attention to clocks usually. However 888's have been common lately, which I believe arise from the validations of 22's and 44's.
My two cents anyway.
there are a few sites blackbox that help translate your birthdate into the mayan information, daysigns, numbers and meaning.
Search for the dreamspell calender.
I translated mine some time ago, so the specific site I used then I cannot remember.
I want to thank you as well. You provided a lot of information that I had been searching for. It is more appreciated than you might realize, for it has been subject that has been afflicting me for some time, and though I have asked for help from different sources, you are the only one who really helped by explaining in your own words and opinion what you think.
I will integrate it all into my thinking process and progress research into the topics, for even that which I want to put belief in, I cannot put 100% stock into. It just becomes part of how I act, react, and interact with the world around me as I continue my search.
thank you again.
I have to agree that all words have meaning behind them, and it is intent that gives that meaning substance.
For instance, I have a friend who wears a shirt that states, "Kill Yourself," and people ask him why he would wear a shirt like that.
A good explanation he gives is that it is not unlike the desensitization of people with violence and television. One becomes so use to the words or statements that they lose there meaning, but that is where I disagree. They dont lose their meaning, just the substance behind the meaning.
Therefore more use of words, and people become indifferent to them, but it wont take away from the meaning.
I think that there is truth to programing yourself as well. If one becomes interested in something, the brain will automatically search for it, but I definately don't think that this is the only reason for many people seeing 11:11 or even other things as well.
For instance, my brain did not search out 1111 on my flight returning from mexico where my flight # was 1111, the gate I passed revealed 11 shown twice on both sides of the number box, passing another flight # 1111 on my way to customs and getting to my final departure gate at 11:11 in the morning. Perhaps the latter my mind was programmed for, but it could not have programmed the environment around me, nor the events afterwards.
such as everything in life, anything has affect up to a certain point before something else takes over.
Aileron,
According to the Mayans, I'm consciously "White Lunar Dog" (this year I'm White Solar Dog though), 2 dot, Bar Family. Number 10.
Subconsciously I'm Blue Monkey which is Number 11.
The readings were interesting. Thanks for telling me about it.
(nods)
[|)]
So what do you guys think? How soon?
How soon till what? The polar-shift? Your first 4some with playboy bunnies?
Specify, my australian homie.
Hmmm. Playboy bunnies. YUM.
Nah, I thought I'd just be as open-ended as possible, because I'm talking about events of quite quite big energetic proportions. So, lets just say... how soon 'til the energetic changes that have been building up for quite a long time, hit, basically?
I'm talking about the waves of energy soon to come. Any idea on the timeframe? I think it's .. oh, just around the corner... peek-a-boo!
Well, some say the energy is already being transmitted.
Now here's the thing:
Besides for the holes in the ozone layer, the energy is blocked. So as you hear the newscasters rave about the ozone collapsing, the holes are increasing in size, meaning the amount of energy making down to the earth is increasing. So I guess "how soon" can be answered by thinking of a balloon with water in it. The water represents the energy. There's a hole at the bottom of the balloon that is increasing in size, with more and more water spilling out 'progressively'.
The other thing is being able to 'recieve' the energy as intended. I think N.E.W., techniques like Qigong, deep-breathing regulation, etc, all work towards developing the bodies bio-circuitry so that it can absorb, interpret, and activate everything being sent down. Those who are not aware, and hence do not prepare, will probably have a few years before they even feel a thing.
Heres something. We are being told now by many different sources that the ozone layer is in fact repairing itself.
Ask yourself if these energetic properties deal in certain aspects of our world, such as "The Ozone Layer" or "Magnetic Poles Shifting" or a "Telecommunication Boom."
Everything would have to relate to such a topic for energies, and those that work to produce effect both visible and/ or not visible, are in essence constant and varying.
For instance I could tell you that paroxysm could be controlled or in a state of flux in some part of the world because of a small issue of some type of energy expended consciously or not by a single or mass of individuals.
I could continue this train of thought and tell you that because of that small expenditure of energy that led to such violence, a war will break out, and because of that war, more energies will be released in many different degrees of change and so on leading onto the band of infinite cycle.
A timeframe for general events resulting from gigantic energetic proportions is like taking a long roadtrip and without looking at a map asking which towns and cities you will get to along the journey.
I dont think anyone specifically can give you a perfect timeframe for inclusive information regarding said subject, but specify and you may be surprised with how much information comes flooding in.
I'm certain this subject will have been addressed already but I will still make a brief post on it. I am The Founder and I am new to Astral Pulse, I have spent my entire life knowing there will be a war, a seriously big war that will threaten perhaps the existence of humanity on this planet, but as I have scince learned there is even more than that at steak. For the last few years I have searched through websites and consorted with many different people in this world in my continuing search for the truth. I have come to my final conclusion, there is a brief but accurate article in the war section of this site www.hidden-truths.com
I have always known about this war however I can offor no real proof other than the occasional legend like the Mayans and so forth. There are many otherkin warriors that will, deep down already know of this. The veil that devides this world from the astral is steadily degrading and you will all have felt the effects of this. Perhaps you simply feel an odd sense odd virtigo or surealism. Maybe things appear twisted or distorted despite the fact that nothing has actually changed. Those of you with Therianthropic qualities may have felt an increase in shifts and you will ALL have been experiencing unusual feelings and unplacable Dei Ja Vu. I cannot offor all the answers and I am not so arrogant as to expect you all to believe this. However the veil is near falling and it is my moral duty to try and help as many as I can become aware of it.
I am still searching into this and if anybody has any counter oppinions or alternate theorys I am open to suggestions. On the other side of the coin if any of you have any extra information about the war I would really appreciate it if we could talk about it. I would like to finish by pointing out that I am expecting heavy sceptisism and even flaming, I have been through it before and will not falter under such conditions. I would like to debate this in a civilised manner however, I will try to address any questions and accept any suggestions. My real job here is to make you aware of it in the hope that it will help you be more prepared when the time comes. Have you felt the feeling that something increddible is right around the corner? that any second everything will blow up in your face and nothing will ever be the same after? Have you had that longing for battle or simply to help others and that you will soon be involved in something bigger than any of us? I did to, thats what sparked my search. I would like to find the truth whatever it may be and perhaps we could help each other in that respect.
I will stop babbling now and await your oppinions, please be gentle..
The Founder