Time zones must be kept in mind. We are all over the world. My time zone is now GMT -6. Daylight savings time does not apply at the moment. Another thing to consider when sending energy beyond time and date is duration. The length of time that the energy is being sent should be taken into account. Also, it would be interesting to have more than one person sending energy at the same time to a particular person. That increases the odds of something being felt or noticed.
ah thank you tom; the time zone thingie. i took that into account for when to send energy, but not for the vote. so, i guess it should be taken into account for the vote. how about we use the astral pulse time zone to determine the beginning and the ending of the voting time period? that way it is more difficult to be confused. plus there will be a very noticable post declaring when posting time begins and another very noticable post declaring when posting time ends.
"The length of time that the energy is being sent should be taken into account". would 10 minutes be a good time? too long, too short? we'd want to make it long enough that the person has a good chance of feeling it, without giving the person a good chance of just guessing when it would have occurred.
"Also, it would be interesting to have more than one person sending energy at the same time to a particular person". that would be a good idea if the experiment was to determine if energy could be sent, but unless i am mistaken, i believe that hashpuppet wanted proof that specifically auraseer could send energy.
also the point of having the second person sending energy (the fourth party) was so that hashpuppet (or the second party) could compare the differences or similarities between auraseer's sending and an experienced person's sending.
does this help tom?
~kakkarot
Today is not a good day for me. I had trouble understanding the description of the experiment.
Something else to consider about the time is this. When energy is sent at a specific time, sometimes I find it is received for a much longer or shorter period of time than it was sent during. It has also been received several hours before and after it was sent. Just thinking about sending or receiving energy can start the process. It can happen more than once even, even though it is sent only once. Many repetitions will be needed to average out unwanted influences.
good point.
i guess the most scientific way to deal with this is to run the experiment many times, even if each sending only consists of one sending. that way, the qualitative average should reveal itself in the analysis, if there is an average.
i guess this would be more than just a small experiment to really prove it.
how about auraseer and hashpuppet! do you have any concerns, questions, or suggestions with the experiment? do you agree to it?
~kakkarot
I would like to be the third party. I know I've been kind of sitting back and not saying much, but I've been following auraseer's topics closely, among others.
As I understand it, kakkarot, you need someone fair, impartial, and someone who doesn't need any energy experience whatsoever, correct? I say I fit that category well, since I barely know anyone here, try to be fair in all judgements, and just started researching ki (chi, qui, whatever floats your boat [:P]).
In case you need to know, I live in Central Time Zone, which I believe is 6 hours behind auraseer's time zone.
Well, I might be able to help, I dont know much, about seeing or doing, but tel lme what i need to do and ill do it. [8)]
Hi,
You guys, I got some bad news. I cannot send the energy yet, because I burnt myself out last night. And to add to that I got a cold. I will not be able to send till about 3 days minimum. Im doing some energy gathering each night to speed up the burnout time.
So let me get this straight...I gotta send energy to the second party? And thats all I do?
What time is the astral pulse time in? EST?
It has to be on a weekend because I have most energy in the morning, and can hardly stay awake at 10:00pm GMT, as Bob251 found out yesterday [:P].
Cya,
auraseer.
As I understand it, Parmenion volunteered to be sent energy, not hashpuppet. I just made a breakthrough in my training and wish to continue on my own two feet from here.
Plus, it might work better if Parmenion receives instead of me because he lives in almost the same timezone as Auraseer. A lot closer than me, anyway.[|)]
Hi,
Good news. The cold has gone now, and my burnout state is gradually going. So I should be able to do the energy sending in about 2-3 days.
Cya,
auraseer.
your experiment sounds very familier did you take part in the one good thought event on feb 14th if not may be you should check it out as i think your expermiment has alot in common with it.
I did volunteer yes but i can manipulate energy to some extent myself so if somebody wants to recieve for proof or verification that its possible then thats fine i dont mind at all.Im still available for purpose of experiment if nobody else steps forward.
Parmenion.
Hi,
The cold AND the burnout state has completely gone now, so tell me the date and time and ill do it [:)].
If you wanna contact me on AIM, my ID is kimaster1989.
Cya,
auraseer.
well, guys and gals, this is YOUR experiment. i merely came up with the idea. take control and make it happen.
~kakkarot
Some people can send energy very strongly but not receive it. Other people can receive energy very easily but have trouble sending it. This must be kept in mind because sending energy to someone who will not feel it would result in a false negative. The same is true if someone who should be receiving energy is sending instead. My tendency is toward sending energy and almost every time any energy is sent to me I do not feel it.
Hi,
Yes, and you have to consider the aura taking in energy at a fast rate which will not be felt. And the natural sheild of energy around a person stopping Ki.
Cya,
James.
So, let's open the voting.
1st Party - Auraseer. That's a given
2nd Party - Panabelle or Hashpuppet. Let them decide.
3rd Party - Vote.
4th Party - Vote. (must be experienced)
I felt if we didnt keep this topic going people would stop caring...
So once again, i waste time typing out stuff while i should be using these 4 days off for something productive.
(leans back in chair)
O well!
~Squeek
I would like to be (or at least try to be) the third party.
The only issue is I live in Central Time Zone (6 hours behind Auraseer). So, unless there is someone who lives a little closer, then I'd like to be the third party.
We need candidates to step forward and nominate themselves.Fair play to you Bob for volunteering.One more is required and if more than one volunteers we can take a vote.
Parmenion
Well, I can do it too. I think i sed that some other time too. HMmmm.
This is probably gonna be my last post of the day, but i have off tomorrow too...Hooray. I miss school. Wah. We probably wont have it friday either, and i don't know why...the storm ended monday.
Whatever. I'm, of course, squandering these precious hours and playing games the whole time because im crazy like that.
cant wait for that package to come in.
`Squeek(anticipating)
Hashpuppet can receive the energy. Thanks anyway, but I'm making a lot of progress and feel that convincing a skeptic would be more profitable than just letting me play around w/it. Plus, I feel that I'm more of a sender than a receiver (experiments with little brother, too much to explain here...).
Ok so...
1>>Auraseer
2>>Hashpuppet
3>>Bob251
4>>Squeek? (sorry i didnt read that far back im kinda lazy tonight)
Now just post times when you all can be available
Parmenion
I'm still not clear on the way the experiment is supposed to go. Can anyone make it really simple for me?
basically all the idiot children on this board r gonna try to transfer energy over the internet. Although its not gonna work, im sure most of them will say it did to gain attention anyways.
Just to make it easy, I'll use names of potential candidates that have been mentioned instead of first, second, and third party.
As far as I understnad it, Auraseer tells Kakkarot he's going to send hashpuppet energy at 6:00 P.M. tomorrow. Hashpuppet doesn't know this info. Around 6:10, hashpuppet feels all tingly and has lots of energy. It is immediately reported to Kakkarot, who confirms that this WAS the time the energy was sent.
If hashpuppet feels nothing at any point, it proves that Auraseer can't really send energy.
Got it. Except for the part where anything is proved to anyone. The person must intend to receive energy and be sensitive enough to feel it. Worse, if both factors are present in the person receiving energy then there can be false positive tests.
Hi,
One more thing you have got to take into consideration is honesty. Judging by haspuppet's attitude, I suspect he'l lie anyway, even if he does feel something.
To send energy, I get the best results over AIM. So if haspuppet could get AIM, it will make it easier. But I do need something made by haspuppet to send energy to him.
Cya,
James.
P.S. Im on from 6:00pm - 8:00pm GMT
I take offense at idiot children. How about if I call you a prejudiced old fart?
Hashpuppet is only 16. I am 28 and still trying to decide if I am an adult yet, given my intention to live well past 120 years old. So far as I know, no one on these forums is old or even approaching being old.
I am 48 years old if that will do still very young realy in the great scheme of things ,I have been reading your experiment thread and am very interested , a group of us have been working with energy and its movement using sound
Hi,
I am 13, so all bow down to the young one [:D]
Oh yeah, and im on from 10:00am - about 6:00pm GMT and maybe more on weekends (saturday and sunday [:P]).
Im bored of typing auraseer as my sig, ill put my real name instead. Call me by any.
Cya,
James.
Well in that case, hashpuppet has even less right to call us idiot children. Actually, I think me and Auraseer are the only ones younger than he is and I'm not participating in the experiment so I don't even count.
Who really cares anyway?
Everybody...
Sorry, I've been away for a while. Well worth it too.
Anyway, I beleive 100% that hashpuppet would lie no matter the result. And also, slot 4 is for an experienced person. I am definetely NOT experienced. So 4 = not me. If you want an honest person, somewhere on page 2 there was a post of the candidates for 2. I can be one. Just IM me because I am the laziest person.
I'll take either of the reciever posts (am at work, didn't read in depth, will re-check what you want me to do if people are still up for it). I am a little sensative to energies. Let me know if the experiment is still on. I could probably find another person to act as reciever if this is required (andy I know you're lurking around here somewhere!)
actualy i am 13 as well, but i am definately ot as exprienced as you gys
I might have more knowledge about these things than you, naturechick, (I read too much[|)])but I'm guessing if you can make a faint ki ball, you're better than I am. [:(] I can only fill myself up with Chi and sense my Ki. AND NOOOOOOOO, I DON'T WANT TO START A DEBATE THAT THEY'RE THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!
Hey all. is everyone losing interest in this experiment? I hope not 'cos it would be a shame for it not to happen.
Parmenion
Hey guys.... I have some experience with energy sending.... but when it comes into recieving, im not the most sensitive person out there, though i can sense energy somewhat.... i also have a bit of a range of time to try to help out with just noting what times.... uuhh... If i can help out.... i'll be happy to... if i can't.... oh well.... i'll try my best if i am part of it... and i have no reason to lie about anything, because well..... what would be the point in lieing about something like this?... just wasteing others time i guess....
but whatever the case be... i finally got to post in this strand.
Instead of conducting a test to prove that energy can be sent at a distance, I think it would be more interesting to pick a person to receive energy and anyone who wants to can send energy to that person at the chosen combination of date and time. Because it is just as easy to send energy to a different time as to a different place, it would not be necessary to choose a time when everyone can be available at once. It could be up to the person who will receive the energy. Doing this more than once would allow people to determine if they are better at sending or receiving energy. Of course, my motivation is more simply that it would be good to receive energy from many people all at once. Too bad for me I'm better at sending. And any thoughts on how to balance out sensitivity to energy with ability to push it around?
in the ki ball pictures thread, hashpuppet said that he the only way for auraseer to prove that he could use ki was for auraseer to send him energy over aim.
of course, a skeptic can deny even reality if they truly wanted to, so i have come up with an experiment to reduce the ability of anyone to be able to say that something was faked. below is a copy and paste of the experiment from the ki ball pictures thread, where i first posted it:
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perfect experiment.
first, auraseer (first party) can send people (second party) energy. the exact time of the sending would be known to the first party and to third party (such as myself, or someone not involved in the experiment in any other way) but not to the second. the second party would be told an approximate time in between which the energy would be sent, ie between 5pm and 6pm at the first party's timezone.
the second party can respond to the third party and tell the third party what they, the second party, felt or experienced at the time of sending energy and the exact time the second party felt the energy being sent.
then, a more experienced energy sender, such as tom or another volunteer, (fourth party) would send energy to the second party. the exact time of the second sending would be known only to the fourth party and the third party. an approximate time where the second party could expect the second sending to occur would be told to the second party. at such a time that the second party feels the energy being sent they record the time, experience, and feelings and send them to the third party.
it is important that there be no communication between the first party or the fourth party and the second party. this would ensure, to a reasonable faith, the integrity of the experiment. the third party would then post the results in the board, without consulting any other parties beforehand, for all to read and judge for themselves.
it is also important that the fourth party be approved by the majority of the people interested in the experiment, and that the fourth party have a good deal of experience in sending energy. how much experience should be decided by the majority of the people interested in the experiment.
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however, in order to conduct this experiment, we need a few volunteers. the first party is going to be auraseer, since he has agreed to it. the second party will first be either hashpuppet or panabelle; hashpuppet wanted the proof, but panabelle claimed the right to be the first to recieve. the decision should be up to the two of them.
next, we also need a third party, who needs no energy experience what-so-ever, but needs to be fair and impartial. as i said in the ki ball pictures thread, i am unavailable for this part, so could someone else please volunteer for this? thanks.
then we need a fourth party (for now, the applicant), who needs to be experienced in energy sending. the applicant should be someone who has sent a minimum amount, that would be decided by the majority of the people who are interested in this experiment, or sendings, and i suggest the minimum amount should be around 15. the sendings of the applicant must also have been recieved clearly by the intended reciever, so that the experience of the sender can be verified.
then a vote to decide who should be the fourth party, out of all possible applicants, would be made by the people on this board. the voting should be open for a set amount of time, such as a day or two, and each person who wishes to vote can only post up to one (1) vote.
if there are other details that may need to be addressed, please post them, along with any possible solutions if you can figure out any possible solutions.
thank you to everyone.
~kakkarot