Funny, I was just thinking about web-bots not to long before I logged on today. I read a brief article about them a couple days ago.
Does anyone have a link to a good site with info on web-bots. I'm interested in learning some more about them
Cool :)
I've never heard of the web-bot forecast before, very intriguing use of internet power.
Very intriguing in many aspects. Going to have to research deeper into it though. It seems to have genuine references attached, but the net is able to build hype for quasi-plausible ideals often, though I do not put it past anyone to have created such technology.
In one source as they say it reads like the I-ching which in certain methods could easily be applicable by computing, but in another aspect the structure of the system it reads by could be countlessly complex, for instance the use of terabytes on a certain regular basis is overwhelming to think about.
Wouldn't it be an appropriate irony that in our age, at this time of events, it is the internet that becomes the known source of delphic insight?
We create machine and machine tells us our future. Of course this is an oversimplification, but....
Interesting timescale. Oh Yes.
Oazaki.
LOL...
HPH Advisory: Yes, Cliff is aware that www.halfpasthuman.com is up and down (mostly down) due to DNS issues with his isp (Earthlink). He apologizes for any inconvenience. Me? I just wonder why it is that as soon as web bot reports go up Earthlink gets slammed...I keep saying "it's a co-incidence...co-incidence, co-incidence..."
From: http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
So I wonder what role Jupiter plays in all this?
Ain't those Ancient Greek myths great? Especially the god's genealogy and that bit about how Zeus defeated Chronos and so freed all his brothers and sisters also. Wonder what that means at a deeper level...
all the best,
Oazaki.
You will also note that I have changed my sig. [8D]
Play it boys:
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
And I say it's all right
Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
all the best all,
Oazaki.
quote:
Originally posted by Oazaki
You will also note that I have changed my sig. [8D]
Play it boys:
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
And I say it's all right
Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
[xx(]
Need a vomit emoticon. [:D]
Love your work, but your choice of music is a little questionable.
Interesting.
I have plenty ideas now.
hey maybe its sigil magic....
heh, that song is like perfect
interesting world
Hey I just read this on the GLP website... let's see if anything happens:
The following is posted in jest. Do not do anything illegal.
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DISTRIBUTE WIDELY - DISTRIBUTE WIDELY - DISTRIBUTE WIDELY
ECD - ALL HACKERS OUT TO DISRUPT THE RNC - BATTLE LOGISTICS ENCLOSED
Contact: CrimethInc Black Hat Hacker´s Bloc
Campaign Website: http://phil.ist-backup.de/rncelectronic/
Email: rainbowskies@graffiti.net
Hackers are organizing for a massive electronic civil disobedience
campaign against the Republican party to coincide with the massive
protests in New York City for the Republican National Convention. This
document contains logistical information on how people can participate
in this campaign.
We won´t stand idly by while the
Republican Party exploits the democratic city of New York to further
their agenda of endless war, attacks on our freedoms and and breaks for
corporations. We demand an end to the so-called "war on terrorism",
which is nothing more than a pretext for empire and the erosion of our
civil rights. As long as Amerikkka continues to further their war on
the
poor for the benefit of the rich, we will use all weapons at our
disposal to disrupt the RNC - on the streets, and on the net.
All are encouraged to help out this campaign in any way they can.
Deface
websites, flood email servers, cause financial disruption, change
electronic billboards. Turn the system over and put the people on top.
Hacktivists of the world, unite!
What will be happening?
August 22nd - Day of online direct action a week before the convention
begins. All are encouraged to attack as many right-wing, corporate,
government or military sites as possible. Web defacements, email
attacks, financial disruption, anything and everything. These attacks
will be used to stir discussion of the RNC, encourage people to
participate in the protests in NYC itself, and to build for the
mainstream electronic sit-in on the 29th.
August 29 - September 2nd - Mainstream electronic sit-in while the RNC
is in session. The actions will commence on noon of each day. The
protests will utilize a wide diversity of tactics including email, web,
fax and phone disruption. The logistical details of this campaign are
included in this document below.
Who are we flooding?
The email addresses, fax numbers, and phone numbers listed below are
various contacts of the Republican National Committee and the official
George W. Bush re-election staff.
Isn´t this cyber terrorism?
It is important to make a distinction between electronic civil
disobedience and terrorism. Civil disobedience is a fundamental part of
the democratic process which our country was founded upon. Like Henry
David Thoreau and our revolutionary forefathers who shot up the pigs at
Lexington and Concord, electronic civil disobedience is the logical
continuation of these theories applied towards the internet as a medium
for disruption. ECD is a legitimate protest act.
Terrorism tries to instill fear into people through violence and
destruction. Terrorism is not an act of liberation or unity but of
division fear and conquer. A bitter act of desperation that solves no
problems, makes no statement, and disempowers many. Electronic civil
disobedience causes no harm to people or property. Instead of
disempowering, ECD tries to bring people together to realize and
exercise their power over oppressive governments and corporations using
hacking as a means of fighting for social justice.
Who are we?
There is no ´us´. This is a decentralized campaign - there are no
leaders or orders or hierarchy. Most of us don´t know the other people
working on this project. None of us know what sorts of attacks are
being
planned. This is an autonomous call out, anyone who agrees with what
we´ve said and wants to participate in this campaign is welcome to
resist the RNC in any way they can.
This call out is issued by the CrimethInc Black Hat Hacker´s Bloc. We
are not participating in any of the actions or any illegal activities
ourselves. We recognize the political significance of the RNC and
realize that one way or another there is going to be some sort of cyber
attack. We are simply serving as a press tool to communicate with the
media about different electronic methods people are employing to
protest
the RNC.
Contact Us:
CrimethInc Black Hat Hacker´s Bloc
Campaign Website: http://phil.ist-backup.de/rncelectronic/ Email:
rainbowskies@graffiti.net
DISCLAIMER:
This is an autonomous call out for electronic direct action against the
RNC. This document contains a number of resources that can help people
who choose to participate in such actions. If you decide to help out,
you do so on your own terms and accept responsibility for what might
happen. However, there is safety in numbers and there are a number of
people who plan on a number of actions and there is a very low risk. So
hack on!
If you participate...
Let us know what you´re up to! We are communicating with the media on
this project and we want to post on our website what sorts of attacks
are being made. Feel free to rip bits of text from our website, this
document, or any other press release we have made and use it in your
messages. Make sure to link to our page!
Fellow citizens, PARTICIPATE!
-----------------------------
You do not need to be an experienced hacker to help this campaign:
we´ve
made it easy for people to help out through a variety of different
ways.
The mainstream electronic sit-in is composed of several methods of
disruption: flooding RNC websites, email addresses, fax and phone
numbers. Listed below are the targets and explanations / tools you can
use to help this campaign.
WEB SITE FLOODING
-----------------
We are asking people to use all tools at their disposal to bombard the
given servers with so much traffic that it will become unable to serve
any more web requests. People can participate in the actions by using
the given floodnet scripts on the campaign website or by launching your
own distributed denial of service attacks.
The Republican National Convention: http://www.2004nycgop.org/ The
Republican National Committee: http://www.rnc.org/ George W. Bush
official re-election site: http://www.georgewbush.com/
You can help flood these servers by going to our website and running
the
FloodNet tools on our website. There is a web-based tool and several
perl scripts that you can use to flood the targets. You can also
download and run several denial of service applications on your home
machine and point them to the above servers.
A list of good denial of service tools for the Mac is available at <a
href="http://freaky.staticusers.net/dos.shtml">Freaky´s Mac Archive</a>
and Underground
Mac (http://undergroundmac.com/hacking.html#dos)
A list of good denial of service tools for Windows is available at <a
href="http://www.elitehackers.com/f/old.htm#denial">elitehackers.com</a>
... but denial of service attacks isn´t hacking!
DoS attacks are seen as somewhat lame in the hacking community because
it does not require any actual skills to perform such attacks - any
script kiddie can simply download a few tools and launch attacks
against
major servers. It can hardly be considered hacking. But it is a method
of electronic disruption that can bring the enemy´s servers to it´s
knees. No reason to overlook tools at our disposal.
E-MAIL BOMBING
--------------
E-mail bomb attacks are done by sending tens of thousands of emails to
the enemy´s contact addresses. This can make it painful to send and
receive emails while simultaneously consuming server resources,
possibly
slowing or shutting it down. There are numerous tools that one can use
to perform such attacks.
There are a number of Windows email bombers available for download at
<a
href="http://www.elitehackers.com/f/old.htm#mail">Elitehackers.com</a>.
A number of good email bombers for the mac are available at <a
href="http://undergroundmac.com/hacking.html#e-mail">Underground
Mac</a>.
Targets:
webmaster@gop.com
Info@gop.com
RNCommunications@gop.com
MemberRelations@gop.com
Administration@gop.com
Counsel@gop.com
Chairman@gop.com
Political@gop.com
Finance@gop.com
NOS@gop.com
BushCheney04@GeorgeWBush.com
Blog@GeorgeWBush.com
FAX BOMBING
-----------
Fax bombing is a method of electronic disruption that clogs the enemy´s
fax communications and wastes their paper and toner resources. Tape
together a few sheets of black construction paper and start faxing to
the following targets. When the first page goes through, roll it back
and tape it to the other end of your sheet to form an infinite loop of
black construction paper. Then sit back and watch the mayhem begin. Use
any and all fax machines at your availability - the more the merrier!
Targets:
703.647.2993
202.863.8820
202-863-8774
202-863-8609
202-863-8773
202-863-8654
202-863-8808
202-863-8851
202-863-8851
PHONE BOMBING
-------------
Phone bombing is another method of disrupting their communication
systems by preventing them from making / receiving calls. You can
either
call these numbers and tell them what you think about the Bush agenda,
or you can beige box into someone else´s line and set up auto-dialing
scripts to flood their lines.
Targets:
703.647.2700
202.863.8500
202-863-8700
202-863-8545
202-863-8560
202-863-8614
202-863-8638
202-863-8743
202-863-8720
202-863-8600
202-863-8670
202-863-8888
That´s all for today, kids. Stay out of trouble, and don´t get caught!
Heh, QS, trying to get on as many lists as possible? lol
I'm not sure what you mean, but I just keep finding things that are related to this topic... lol here's more I just found:
Terrorist will paralyze Internet on August 26, a Russian expert in antivirus programs said on Tuesday.
Speaking at the conference hosted by Russian Information Agency Novosti, Aleksandr Gostev from Kaspersky Labs said information on this terrorist attack was published on special websites. He did not elaborate.
First of all, the United States and Western Europe will suffer from the attack, Gostev was quoted by the agency as saying. The head of the labs, Yevgeny Kaspersky, reminded that similar attacks had earlier paralyzed Internet in South Korea. He added that it would be "impossible" to stop terrorist organizations if they "get down to business."
The executive director of Dr.Web antivirus lab, Mikhail Bychinsky, quoted by Lenta.ru web agency said he never heard of such an attack. "I do not believe in mass internet attacks because the main servers are defended, and Kaspersky Labs has been foretelling the doomsday for a long time."
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/24/internetend.shtml
August 25, 2004
A handful of sites are stating that Eugene Kaspersky, founder of Kaspersky Labs, believes that tomorrow will bring a massive terrorist attack on the Internet. This is being quoted in a range of ways, ranging from factual reporting to citing the story as an example of cyber hysteria.
However, Kaspersky is not predicting the end of the Internet tomorrow - or even in the near future. The story stems from brief comments made yesterday at a press conference which was dedicated to cybercrime and the problems of spam.
At this press conference, Kaspersky commented that the possibility of terrorists using the Internet as a tool to attack certain countries was a reality. As an example, he cited the fact that a number of Arabic and Hebrew language websites contained an announcement of an ´electronic jihad´ against Israel, to start on 26th August 2004.
In an interview today, Kaspersky stressed that such information was not necessarily trustworthy. ´We don´t know who is behind these statements.´ He went on to clarify: ´It´s not the first time the term ´electronic jihad´ has been used. We´ve seen this before, with the focus being on sending racist emails, and defacing and hacking Israeli web sites. But it is the first time I have seen sites encouraging the use of Internet attacks against one country as a form of terrorism.´
´As we´ve already stated many times in the past, it would be easy enough to use a network of infected computers to launch such an attack. We saw the impact that Sasser, Mydoom and Slammer had, on the Internet, businesses and organisations. Just imagine if such an attack was directed at one country or one critical point in the infrastructure of the Internet. Computers are a tool - and just like any tool, they can be used or misused.´
Kaspersky emphasised that the likelihood of a massive attack directed against Israeli institutions tomorrow is low. However, he believes that Pandora´s box has now been opened. Hackers and virus writers can be motivated by a range of factors: money, curiosity, or political conviction. But whatever their motivation, the insecure nature of the Internet and weak security precautions offer a wealth of opportunities. ´Maybe it won´t be tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow - but sooner or later, terrorists will be using the Internet as another weapon in their arsenal.´
Source:
Information Security Software Developer - Kaspersky Labs
http://www.viruslist.com/eng/index.html?tnews=461517&id=2100900
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Here is Steve Quayle's show from yesterday where talked in depth about the cyberterrorism threat facing us today:
Steve Quayle - Aug 24 (1 hr, MP3, 6.4M): http://www.cottongraphicdesign.com/quayle08242004.mp3
Here is the first half hour on C2C with Steve Quayle:
C2C with Steve Quayle - Aug 24 (30 min, MP3, 2.5M): http://www.cottongraphicdesign.com/c2c08242004.mp3
There was a part of the most recently posted web bot run over at www.halfpasthuman.com which seems to tie in this morning with the return of Iraq's most influential Shia leader from medical treatment in Britain - Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3596760.stm
Now here's why Sistani's return has my complete and utter attention. From the most recent web bot run, there was an image of a "hermit" kind of fellow returning to the country (which we presumed to be Iraq):
"We note that the entities still show the 'return of a wise man/hermit/sage' to Iraq during this period and the 'rising' of the 'small' in support of the 'daring/adventurers' which will result in the defeat of the USofA army. Now, being a US citizen, and a lifer member of the US military, this is particularly unpleasant news to hear/convey. However, the courageous people of the American Military have been mis-used/wasted by BushCo greed and theocratic self-delusion. As such (nothing begun in evil can end in good), all resolutions lead to the defeat of the American presence in Iraq as it was, and is, mis-guided and a mistake at the behest of evil. So, since no good can come, one can take solice in that defeat/expulsion of the American military from Iraq will at the very least, end the nightmare and prevent Americans from dying for this evil years hence in the future (which is the basic *plan* of TPTB)."
http://www.halfpasthuman.com/group/community/alta_08232004.htm
So here's the sequence of events to be watching for if we understand the web bot outputs right:
• Sistani is planning to go to Najaf in the next couple of days.
• The web bot picture has his, essentially saying something like "Enough of this!" and beginning a Shia uprising against American and existing civil authority in Iraq.
• As this happens, the web bots seem to suggest a "retreat to the south" with much loss of life - something that has shown up in earlier web bot runs.
While we have no way of knowing for sure if Sistani is "it" we couldn't help but notice that on an Indian Muslim web site it is noted:
"Grand Ayotallah Ali Hussain Sistani, merjaa ( the sole spokesman and arbiter ) to Iraq's majority Shiias, is almost a hermit who hardly ever ventures out of his abode in Najaf, in the heart of Iraq's Shiia south. Sistani lay low in the early months of the American occupation of Iraq, prompting inspired comments from establishment media gurus in U.S. that he was implicitly condoning the occupation.
There is no doubt that Sistani's religious aura, and the clout he commands among Iraq's Shiia population, did keep Iraq's Shiia-dominated south relatively calm and controlled whilst the so-called Sunni Triangle in the middle and northwest of Iraq imploded into massive defiance and resistance against the Americans. " http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2004/01-15Feb04-Print-Edition/011502200455.htm
Thus, with language references to Sistani as a near "hermit" and some 80 references to this aspect of his life in a search engine review, LINK, we think watching Sistani very closely should be one of the military's highest priorities. He seems, from one interpretation of the linguistic shifts tracked by the web bots, to have the potential to cause a general uprising and force a U.S. retreat (to the south). This morning, fighting rages near the Imam Ali mosque in Najaf:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D794661E-7179-4C06-B0BC-2A3B8366E3CC.htm
If it indeed happens this way, don't blame us. Remember: we tried to sell the technology to the U.S. government (at a very reasonable price) in October of 2001 following our July 2001 run which forecast a world-changing event and even pinpointed Las Vegas more than 45 days ahead of 9/11. Oh well.
Looking ahead, it still looks like the first week of September will be an incredibly busy event cluster. Not only might Iraq be making headlines, but we're looking for some major mis-speaking at the Republic National Convention. We also expect a surprise medical condition to force one key figure to bow out of the race, and there should even be one horrific - public opinion changing - use of excessive force that will horrify both sides and cause police to moderate their use of force from that point forward.
If you like to have a "fuzzy picture" of what the future holds - which includes some kind of a travel ban/banking holiday in September, I can only recommend Cliff's work at www.halfpasthuman.com . It's very "I Ching-y" to read, but when you get the hang of it, it's very, very impressive work. The web bots also suggest a soaring price of gold in September - so we'll see how that unfolds, too
http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
I still don't see how muslim terrorists would benefit from 'terrorizing' the internet... but let's just look at who WOULD it be beneficial for: "The Powers that THINK They Be."
Disrupting the flow of information being input into the internet would restrict the amount of truth exposed.
ahh well... we will just have to see about that if anything does happen.
Attacking the internet interferes with our right to free speech.
Terrorists and fanatics of any sort hate any concept of free speech since it interferes with their manipulations of others and the control of information. It is why dictatorial governments try to limit access to the internet and try to ban it entirely.
So do the "we" - whoever "they" are that want to hack down sites they don't happen to agree with. Ironic that these same folks will demand free speech for themselves while denying it to others.
Either we all have free speech or none of us do. Either we all have the right to have sites on the internet or none of us do.
Interfering with those rights is not "protest", it is tyrany. It is an attempt to stop the free flow of information because you don't like the source of it or the content of it.
Protest is: I don't like what you have to say.
Tyrany is: I am not going to let you say it.
Freedom is: Say whatever you want and allow for others to do the same
Responsibility is: Do no harm or cause harm to be done to others.
You really have to question the motives of those who want to shut down web sites or the entire internet. Generally speaking, they are not good ones - "they" want to be in control to the ideas others have access to.
So think twice before you support what "they" want you to do. In infringing upon the freedom of others, you give up your own.
Originally posted by Quiet Storm
From the most recent web bot run, there was an image of a "hermit" kind of fellow returning to the country...
"We note that the entities still show the 'return of a wise man/hermit/sage' to Iraq during this period and the 'rising' of the 'small' in support of the 'daring/adventurers' which will result in the defeat of the USofA army.
Geez, that's a reeeaaaal hard one for y'all to figure out. Who, O who, could that refer to do you think?
all the best all,
Oazaki.
Could you be hinting at something like the return of a Messiah that would lead to a revolutionary movement of some sort?
heh heh...[}:)][8D]
OK, I'm leaving astralpulse now, at least until the first earth-shaking events begin to go down. Might come back then, might not. Probably not actually. I can still be reached on: oazakik@yahoo.com for those who wish to do so though.
all the best all, have fun with what comes! Heh heh heh. [:D] [8D]
Oazaki.
According to the article posted it states that they think "Iraq's most influential Shia leader from medical treatment in Britain - Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani" will be the one doing this... but that is according to the one who wrote the article of course, and still hasn't happened yet, so I'm not sure... w/e I guess we will see. [;)]
quote:
Originally posted by Oazaki
OK, I'm leaving astralpulse now, at least until the first earth-shaking events begin to go down. Might come back then, might not. Probably not actually. I can still be reached on: oazakik@yahoo.com for those who wish to do so though.
all the best all, have fun with what comes! Heh heh heh. [:D] [8D]
Oazaki.
Running away, eh? :)
But it was fun. Really.
RNC Outlook: Health Issue & Confrontation
As the Republican National Convention gets underway today, we're sitting back with a different take on what will transpire this week, thanks to the web bots of www.halfpasthuman.com. We are specifically looking for a series of events including:
*
The "takeaways" that the bots suggest we'll have next week might include a widespread recognition that the RNC meeting will be highlighted with a revelation (or revealing act) "Indeed, a failure at multiple levels. As the data set indicates, (all/any)[movement] results in (bound/constrained/frustrated)[desires/goals/efforts]. This is apparently all due to a single instance of the widespread perception of [insincerity]. or [sincerity] that is (inconsistent)."
*
We'll also be on the lookout for some talk of disease at a high level "Rather what we have is a lexical structure with words such as [evil], [vile], [foul] and [stagnant] also contains some references to disease. In fact, enough such references to disease appear that the lexical aspect takes its name from that subset. However, this is apparently all about a single [prominent/powerful/public] person being (struck down) by [disease] within the framework of the convention itself. This [disease] subset is cross linked back to (no movement)[facilitates/improves] which suggests that the disease is not something that is treatable."
*
We'll also expect that there will be someone involved with the protests, who will arise out of the protester's efforts, perhaps who will be subject to obviously excessive force by authorities - perhaps standing up to authority after being injured ala Tiananmen Square - who will be thrust into the public consciousness: "Rather, there will arise an individual *most hints at this stage suggest a female, youngish - say 20's* who will become the 'poster child' of the (solidarity/cohesive) American resistance movement. The data would suggest some nasty moments for this individual, but in spite of suggestions of a (frail frame/waif-like appearance/vatta-body type), the flesh shall endure and the spirit will triumph in a totally (unexpected/unbidden/not sought) (rise) to [prominence/pinnacle]."
There's a lot more to it, of course, but to get it all, we recommend that you ante up the $30 and click over to http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHSUBSCRIPTION_INFO.htm for details. Our purpose in putting these few snips out is to place some predictions on the record well in advance of events.
We also note that Secretary of State Colin Powell is not planning to attend this year's event. While most commentary suggests something is akimbo within Republican ranks, what most observers won't tell you is that it has little to do with politics, but more likely everything to do with succession plans. The worry (although by the bots not justified) is that Powell should be well out of harms way in event of a WMD attack on the convention.
Then there's the RNC playing on the WTC tragedy for political ends: Rudi Giuliani will say:
"Winston Churchill saw the dangers of Hitler when his opponents and much of the press characterized him as a war-mongering gadfly.
"Ronald Reagan saw and described the Soviet Union as 'the evil empire' when world opinion accepted it as inevitable and belittled Ronald Reagan's intelligence.
George W. Bush sees world terrorism for the evil that it is and he will remain consistent to the purpose of defeating it while working to make us ever safer at home."
What would surprise us least? We can already judge the flavor of the event by reading advance comments at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040829/nysu027_1.html Because there will be lots of playing on images of the WTC disaster, one thought is that might backfire and may be part of what the bots pick up as "insincerity".
Our plot for a perfect run? A Tiananmen square kind of event, a top official revealing untreatable health problems, and a general "backfire" from what we're supposed to see as an emotional event.
I don't know if I should post this here, but since the other thread is (unsurprisingly) out of commission, and I don't feel like starting another one...
It's all over the news right now that during an interview on NBC, Bush made a comment to the effect that the war on terror is "unwinnable."
Coming from Mister "always sticks to his guns no matter what the consequences might be"? Coming at a time when the Republicans' biggest accusation against Kerry is that he "flip-flops" too much? I find this expression of doubt VERY strange. It's pretty well known how prone Bush is to misspeaking, but I don't think that's what it was, because he didn't correct himself until the feces predictably hit the fan the next day. I have no idea what to make of this as of now.
Keep yer eyes peeled, friends... this is getting weird.
(always was weird)
Read the same thing, and it doesnt surprise me. I think its beginning to hit mister sticks to his guns (monkey butt son of a....)that there are certain things that are eternal in any social infrastructure, such as, opposition to majority opionion. There will always be someone to oppose the other. ALways....unless there is hands down proof for everyone, every religion and culture, that a certain decree of united belief has potential....and personally, I think that will only come with a messiah.
Also, why is oazaki leaving?
He is like one of the more integral issues that continually comes up in these forums. Keeps the playing field full if you know what I mean.
Yea Bush and the repiblicans in the convention are starting using "double-speek". Bush and those republicans are good liars and are starting to let the truth out while still hiding their motives because they are speaking about the memes (look up what memes are) that they present to follow.
Both candidates Bush and Kerry are having 'fun' playing polarizing games with these 'sheeple'. (tee hee) It is so obvious. I can see it in their demeanor. They have been so contradictive in their statements.
Bush said: The war on terrorism is a quote "catastrophic success". He says: "We are winning the war on terrorism, and we are going to win the war on terrorism". And now he is saying that it is "unwinnable". he said all those lies within a 72 hour period!
This whole republican convention is one literal JOKE of democracy!
All the Kerry lies: How many have been revealed 15? 20?
Bush and Kerry are 2 sides of the same coin. They are both in the Skull and Bones society and they know (or at least I'd like to think they know) exactly what they are doing.
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Bush and Kerry are 2 sides of the same coin.
I think thats true with a lot of the elite members of our society that belong to different parties. No matter which one gets elected the corruption isn't going to come to any end. If Nadar got in there things might not be so bad within the executive branch at least, but of course, as we all know (including Kerry and Bush).. that's not going to happen.
Oddly enough, I do find myself agreeing with Quiet Storm on this one...two rich guys from Yale.
I know it takes a lot of money to run for office, but it seems that people from more humble backgrounds get shut out of the opportunity even if they have the desire and the interest to.
And I often wonder why even those in Congress who do come from more modest means seem to be so rich after they leave office. Maybe its the speakers fees.
Anyway, in the next election I would like to see some candidates that didn't inherit or marry great wealth but had to work like the rest of us. Oh, I know John Edwards comes from humble beginnings, but class action lawyers are notorious for getting very rich and very quickly and seem to end up with most of the settlements.
I have to agree, it is getting pretty wierd out there. Maybe it is just the full moon! [;)]
Honestly, I personally dont think it matters anymore whether someone has made the money themselves(though they will have a better chance of controlling it and their background will be less hegemonous)or whether they inherited the wealth/power.
Its becoming somewhat clear that there are less and less of those in such a status actually using their finances for anything abridged of self-assurity(ie toys and the like), power(position), and renown.
Dont get me wrong, I do believe there are those very few who do do some good, but they are numbered.
I have gotten into a lengthy debate about whether we even exist in a heirarchal soceity, especially in the U.S.
That although there are a numerous amount of people attached to fame, the status of actual power and wealth are becoming a cliqued lot. Those few who have it, flaunt it with all the rest, even those who supposedly they oppose.
I have no doubt whether Bush or Kerry wins(Though within the shipwreck that is my heart, I know it to be Bush), it will ultimately be the mass majority who lose.....whoa, that sounds familiar.
"Whoever wins.....we lose."
Its time to tip this f**king pyramid over and climb atop the bodies of those who had dangled above us all!
If I wasnt so patient in my knowledge, with all the certainty of a being with passionate conviction, I know I would be leading a revolt right now in some way or another against the supposed democracy that has become a tyranny.
Then again, I think people here are with me when I say, if we can't beat em, we can watch em topple over after they self-destruct on their own.
Usually I don't watch TV but nowadays what's being shown is just getting really interesting. I was just watching the Conan O Brien show just now and he made jokes about the tyranny going on, the security, the protestors the political misspeech, and the biased-ness. The 'spin' they had on that show was incredibly surreal. This guy was speaking the truth but since it was a 'comedy show' the people just laughed and clapped about it but there still is that eery silence at the end of the joke and the vibe sometimes even the comment about the vibe that just makes the audience wonder "why are we laughing about this? something is wrong here.."
I saw a similar thing on the Jay Leno show. And then the RNC. The audience claps and cheers for things they can't even begin to think about.
The term "blanket creations" really comes in handy when describing that one thing that folks in these audiences are really hanging on to.
They all know something is not quite right underneath it all, don't they? They can feel the delusions and lies that have been passed off as reality and truth. But it seems like most of them are just afraid of breaking away from the herd mentality that keeps them under control, because it provides a blanket form of security (that damn blanket word again!).
Lately I've been feeling so amazingly angry (anger doesn't describe the intensity of it well enough!) at these controlling forces. I continue to get more and more disgusted at how overt their control is... but does the mass consciousness break away? No.
One thing I want to see more than anything else in this world, is their complete and utter annhilation. And I know that is just around the corner, thank god! [:(!] [;)]
So Quite Storm... when do YOU get this is all coming?
It should be noted that this reply was intended for the Awakening Thread, however this thread was locked. The reason why I post this message is that it is relevant to Oazaki's claims.
"Aileron said
I'd like to point out that any public psychological profiling done on someone tends to reinforce and encourage those habits of which you speak of".
I'm sorry if you considered the words an attempted psychological profile. The words spoken were the words of the Mind and therefore Truth,
"Aileron said
I'm not telling anyone to not reply, I'm saying, if you are truly frustrated by this situation in which you believe that Oazaki needs to listen to you and come around, realizing that you are right, don't hold your breath."
We write to ask questions within the mind in order for all to learn. You are being deceived, I speak not because I wish to degrade Oazaki or because I want to convince him that I'm right but because he blasphemes, because of this I am obliged, just as you all are to defend the lord. Recently a new revelation has unveiled itself to me, a revelation that slightly changes the view that the message was rejected.
The best way to learn is to ask for answers. Now not straying from the topic. Considering we have Some Oazaki believers here, this may seem like silly question. But to determine who is awake and who asleep we must ask the simple following question.
Lets see, could any of you tell me how it is that Jesus died for our sins? Think before you answer.
If nobody gives a foolproof logical answer that everybody can see the logic in, may I asks if it is acceptable to post another ancient forgotten take on this question?
Matthew 13:13
"This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."
Anyone figured out what a changeovers is?
BIRDMAN
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So Quite Storm... when do YOU get this is all coming?
I'll say this: Those web bot predictions are close to the truth.
September will be a great month. [;)]
I bloody well hope so mate... it's been too long coming.
Got anything more specific than just 'September'? ...which can include feelings, premonitians, etc.
I am basing my timescale on an entirely internal perspective - ie. what's happening inside myself.
Well I think this week will definately a historic week for the republicans.[:D]
As for 'feelings' or experiences: I'd say September is going to be a really cool month for some.
REP. NAT. CONVENTION: WHAT THE WEB BOTS SAY:
If I'm not mistaken(!!?), web bots is what I would call "wisdom of the masses"... kind of a stock market where not one individual possess all the knowledge, but the amalgam of all the people brings the truth.JMHO
RNC Outlook: Health Issue & Confrontation
As the Republican National Convention gets underway today, we're sitting back with a different take on what will transpire this week, thanks to the web bots of www.halfpasthuman.com. We are specifically looking for a series of events including:
The "takeaways" that the bots suggest we'll have next week might include a widespread recognition that the RNC meeting will be highlighted with a revelation (or revealing act) "Indeed, a failure at multiple levels. As the data set indicates, (all/any)[movement] results in (bound/constrained/frustrated)[desires/goals/efforts]. This is apparently all due to a single instance of the widespread perception of [insincerity]. or [sincerity] that is (inconsistent)."
We'll also be on the lookout for some talk of disease at a high level "Rather what we have is a lexical structure with words such as [evil], [vile], [foul] and [stagnant] also contains some references to disease. In fact, enough such references to disease appear that the lexical aspect takes its name from that subset. However, this is apparently all about a single [prominent/powerful/public] person being (struck down) by [disease] within the framework of the convention itself. This [disease] subset is cross linked back to (no movement)[facilitates/improves] which suggests that the disease is not something that is treatable."
We'll also expect that there will be someone involved with the protests, who will arise out of the protester's efforts, perhaps who will be subject to obviously excessive force by authorities - perhaps standing up to authority after being injured ala Tiananmen Square - who will be thrust into the public consciousness: "Rather, there will arise an individual *most hints at this stage suggest a female, youngish - say 20's* who will become the 'poster child' of the (solidarity/cohesive) American resistance movement. The data would suggest some nasty moments for this individual, but in spite of suggestions of a (frail frame/waif-like appearance/vatta-body type), the flesh shall endure and the spirit will triumph in a totally (unexpected/unbidden/not sought) (rise) to [prominence/pinnacle]."
There's a lot more to it, of course, but to get it all, we recommend that you ante up the $30 and click over to http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHSUBSCRIPTION_INFO.htm for details. Our purpose in putting these few snips out is to place some predictions on the record well in advance of events.
We also note that Secretary of State Colin Powell is not planning to attend this year's event. While most commentary suggests something is akimbo within Republican ranks, what most observers won't tell you is that it has little to do with politics, but more likely everything to do with succession plans. The worry (although by the bots not justified) is that Powell should be well out of harms way in event of a WMD attack on the convention.
Then there's the RNC playing on the WTC tragedy for political ends: Rudi Giuliani will say:
"Winston Churchill saw the dangers of Hitler when his opponents and much of the press characterized him
as a war-mongering gadfly.
"Ronald Reagan saw and described the Soviet Union as 'the evil empire' when world opinion accepted it as inevitable and belittled Ronald Reagan's intelligence.
George W. Bush sees world terrorism for the evil that it is and he will remain consistent to the purpose of defeating it while working to make us ever safer at home."
What would surprise us least? We can already judge the flavor of the event by reading advance comments at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040829/nysu027_1.html Because there will be lots of playing on images of the WTC disaster, one thought is that might backfire and may be part of what the bots pick up as "insincerity".
Our plot for a perfect run? A Tiananmen square kind of event, a top official revealing untreatable health problems, and a general "backfire" from what we're supposed to see as an emotional event.
http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
This was at surfingtheapocalypse:
the web-bot prediction came true!
I've been listening in to the live broadcasts from New York City. Two unrelated individuals, two separate reports, each phoned in to the broadcasters, who were then streaming this report to me.
Each of the two separate eye-witnesses reported the same, almost perfectly matching, descriptions of the following incident that took place there this evening....
'....a young woman, and a 5-year old child trying to perpendicularly cross one of the many streets of protest there, getting caught between a chanting group of demonstators and the onslaught of a group of attacking police officers. One policeman, reportedly, threw this woman backwards to the pavement where she lay for sometime assisted only by a demonstator, and as her 5-year old child wept aloud, police officers were screaming at the demonstrators, and also this child to, "Get Back!", "Get Back!" over and over again.'
Reportedly she had nothing to do with the demonstrations taking place, and she and her child were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time....
'Many minutes passed before a back-board and several people came to assist her, apparently strapping her onto it and evacuating her to a hospital.'
There were no further eye-witness reports regarding what had become of her child. It sounded horrifying to hear this but then, in addition to having heard this report coming from two separate individuals, I remembered the post made here at STA by, "victo18" today. You can link to it below. Here is a snip from it that may have indeed pertained to events which then followed the web bot's predictions.
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(snip)
We'll also expect that there will be someone involved with the protests, who will arise out of the protester's efforts, perhaps who will be subject to obviously excessive force by authorities - perhaps standing up to authority after being injured ala Tiananmen Square - who will be thrust into the public consciousness: "Rather, there will arise an individual *most hints at this stage suggest a female, youngish - say 20's* who will become the 'poster child' of the (solidarity/cohesive) American resistance movement. The data would suggest some nasty moments for this individual, but in spite of suggestions of a (frail frame/waif-like appearance/vatta-body type), the flesh shall endure and the spirit will triumph in a totally (unexpected/unbidden/not sought) (rise) to [prominence/pinnacle]."
(end snip)
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Fairly accurate and true to what actually took place later in the day don't you think. Perhaps, this woman will indeed become, along with her 5-year old the "poster children" of the American resistance movement as the web bot predicted. Time will tell.
You can still link to the live streaming audio from my post today entitled, "REPORTS OF POLICE ABUSING DEMONSTATORS - LISTEN LIVE"
the link for those reports and so you can listen to them:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/310804policeabuse.htm
(rubs brow)
god its so easy to just mistake things people say for something else unintended.
First off, Birdman, I dont really want to get into this, especially on this topic within a thread that isnt conversing on said topic, so after I reply for no other real reason than my mannerisms require of me graceful verification of one who is speaking to someone, thats it, Im done talking about this.
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"I'm sorry if you considered the words an attempted psychological profile. The words spoken were the words of the Mind and therefore Truth,"
good for you. obviously, still a profile. Nothing you can do about it, when you speak of someones mental and emotional status, you are profiling them whether you believe it or not. Dont really care.
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""Aileron said
I'm not telling anyone to not reply, I'm saying, if you are truly frustrated by this situation in which you believe that Oazaki needs to listen to you and come around, realizing that you are right, don't hold your breath."
We write to ask questions within the mind in order for all to learn. You are being deceived, I speak not because I wish to degrade Oazaki or because I want to convince him that I'm right but because he blasphemes, because of this I am obliged, just as you all are to defend the lord. Recently a new revelation has unveiled itself to me, a revelation that slightly changes the view that the message was rejected."
Let me be clear on this. I was offering advice, to ANYONE who was getting frustrated. I was not speaking specifically to you.
You think me decieved?
Your opinion, dont care.
I am not a follower of Oazaki, nor do I side against him. Rather I hope I can offer friendly and sage advice administering tips towards those who may or may not be vulnerable toward the information he gives, and to offer a quietness for those whose minds are rattled by the sometimes delinquent behaviors he has since modified (I hope.)
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"The best way to learn is to ask for answers. Now not straying from the topic. Considering we have Some Oazaki believers here, this may seem like silly question. But to determine who is awake and who asleep we must ask the simple following question.
Lets see, could any of you tell me how it is that Jesus died for our sins? Think before you answer.
If nobody gives a foolproof logical answer that everybody can see the logic in, may I asks if it is acceptable to post another ancient forgotten take on this question?
Matthew 13:13
"This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."
Anyone figured out what a changeovers is?"
Irrelevant.
You think that by anyone answering these questions, youll find out who is awake or not?
By citing bible passages, and yet asking as if you do not understand, how Jesus died for our sins.
Thats confusing and least of all relevant to gaining any understanding of someone else pertaining to whether they are "awake" or not. At least to me, but perhaps I am a fool.
As I said, you can reply all you want. Thats it for me though. Im done. The issue has been kicked around enough with no closure in sight for anyone but time itself.
and just so ya know, anyone who saw fight club, knows what a change over is.
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Lets see, could any of you tell me how it is that Jesus died for our sins? Think before you answer.
As a (decidedly unorthodox) Christian myself, I have been wrestling with this question for quite a while now. The only solid conclusion I have reached thus far is that I reject the traditional idea of substitutionary atonement.
My current train of thought on the subject has to do with the literal definition of "sin" itself -- "to miss the mark (of God's intent)." Simply put, man has consistently missed the mark of the divine ideal, in effect creating the "veil" between God and man. By nailing (no pun intended) that mark perfectly throughout his life, Christ was able to rend the veil, reestablish the individual's ability to attain divine union freely without any intermediary, and provide a living example of how this can be done. By "dying to self" and "putting on the new man in Christ," we can join with him in his life and death, so that we too can say in all truth "I and my Father are one." In that sense, it can be said that Jesus died for the sins of mankind, but only so the Christ could rise, taking all of us with him. (John 12:32)
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Matthew 13:13
This reminds me... the whole synchronicity thing with numbers seems to have started for me as well; I seem to be seeing 13's EVERYWHERE. The other day especially sticks out; I noticed four together. My first impulse was to add them up, which made 52... the number of weeks in a year. If there's anything to this number stuff, and my first impulse about what they could mean is correct, then a year from 8/30 might be something to keep an eye on. Also, in addition to the post I made about my experience on the "day out of time" before that last thread was locked... it recently struck me that there could be some heavy symbolism involved in my being literally
shaken awake on the eve of the Mayan new year.
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Originally posted by Quiet Storm
REP. NAT. CONVENTION: WHAT THE WEB BOTS SAY:
If I'm not mistaken(!!?), web bots is what I would call "wisdom of the masses"... kind of a stock market where not one individual possess all the knowledge, but the amalgam of all the people brings the truth.JMHO
RNC Outlook: Health Issue & Confrontation
As the Republican National Convention gets underway today, we're sitting back with a different take on what will transpire this week, thanks to the web bots of www.halfpasthuman.com. We are specifically looking for a series of events including:
The "takeaways" that the bots suggest we'll have next week might include a widespread recognition that the RNC meeting will be highlighted with a revelation (or revealing act) "Indeed, a failure at multiple levels. As the data set indicates, (all/any)[movement] results in (bound/constrained/frustrated)[desires/goals/efforts]. This is apparently all due to a single instance of the widespread perception of [insincerity]. or [sincerity] that is (inconsistent)."
We'll also be on the lookout for some talk of disease at a high level "Rather what we have is a lexical structure with words such as [evil], [vile], [foul] and [stagnant] also contains some references to disease. In fact, enough such references to disease appear that the lexical aspect takes its name from that subset. However, this is apparently all about a single [prominent/powerful/public] person being (struck down) by [disease] within the framework of the convention itself. This [disease] subset is cross linked back to (no movement)[facilitates/improves] which suggests that the disease is not something that is treatable."
We'll also expect that there will be someone involved with the protests, who will arise out of the protester's efforts, perhaps who will be subject to obviously excessive force by authorities - perhaps standing up to authority after being injured ala Tiananmen Square - who will be thrust into the public consciousness: "Rather, there will arise an individual *most hints at this stage suggest a female, youngish - say 20's* who will become the 'poster child' of the (solidarity/cohesive) American resistance movement. The data would suggest some nasty moments for this individual, but in spite of suggestions of a (frail frame/waif-like appearance/vatta-body type), the flesh shall endure and the spirit will triumph in a totally (unexpected/unbidden/not sought) (rise) to [prominence/pinnacle]."
There's a lot more to it, of course, but to get it all, we recommend that you ante up the $30 and click over to http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHSUBSCRIPTION_INFO.htm for details. Our purpose in putting these few snips out is to place some predictions on the record well in advance of events.
We also note that Secretary of State Colin Powell is not planning to attend this year's event. While most commentary suggests something is akimbo within Republican ranks, what most observers won't tell you is that it has little to do with politics, but more likely everything to do with succession plans. The worry (although by the bots not justified) is that Powell should be well out of harms way in event of a WMD attack on the convention.
Then there's the RNC playing on the WTC tragedy for political ends: Rudi Giuliani will say:
"Winston Churchill saw the dangers of Hitler when his opponents and much of the press characterized him
as a war-mongering gadfly.
"Ronald Reagan saw and described the Soviet Union as 'the evil empire' when world opinion accepted it as inevitable and belittled Ronald Reagan's intelligence.
George W. Bush sees world terrorism for the evil that it is and he will remain consistent to the purpose of defeating it while working to make us ever safer at home."
What would surprise us least? We can already judge the flavor of the event by reading advance comments at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040829/nysu027_1.html Because there will be lots of playing on images of the WTC disaster, one thought is that might backfire and may be part of what the bots pick up as "insincerity".
Our plot for a perfect run? A Tiananmen square kind of event, a top official revealing untreatable health problems, and a general "backfire" from what we're supposed to see as an emotional event.
http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
Don't tell me Bush is gonna... [xx(]
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Now here's why Sistani's return has my complete and utter attention. From the most recent web bot run, there was an image of a "hermit" kind of fellow returning to the country (which we presumed to be Iraq):
"We note that the entities still show the 'return of a wise man/hermit/sage' to Iraq during this period and the 'rising' of the 'small' in support of the 'daring/adventurers' which will result in the defeat of the USofA army. Now, being a US citizen, and a lifer member of the US military, this is particularly unpleasant news to hear/convey. However, the courageous people of the American Military have been mis-used/wasted by BushCo greed and theocratic self-delusion. As such (nothing begun in evil can end in good), all resolutions lead to the defeat of the American presence in Iraq as it was, and is, mis-guided and a mistake at the behest of evil. So, since no good can come, one can take solice in that defeat/expulsion of the American military from Iraq will at the very least, end the nightmare and prevent Americans from dying for this evil years hence in the future (which is the basic *plan* of TPTB)."
Oh gee could this be it: http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=13010
93 PROMINENT MUSLIM FIGURES CALL TO RESIST US FORCES *PIC*
Call to back forces of resistance in Iraq
CAIRO, Aug 22: Ninety-three prominent Muslim figures opposed to US troops in Iraq called on Muslims around the world to support resistance to US forces and to the Iraqi government installed in June.
In an appeal received on Sunday from the offices of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim figures from nearly 30 nations, from Germany to Indonesia, said the aim should be to "purify the land of Islam from the filth of occupation".
The signatories included senior members of the Brotherhood, leading Qatari-based moderate Youssef Al Qaradhawi, Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah of Lebanon, Khaled Mashal of the Palestinian group Hamas, two Egyptian opposition party leaders, Sheikh Abdeslam Yassine of Morocco's Justice and Charity Group and Yemeni Speaker of Parliament Sheikh Abdullah al-Ahmar.
Others came from Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bosnia, the Comoros, Germany, India, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Malaysia, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan and Tunisia...
"(The signatories) call on our Arab and Muslim peoples and all religious authorities and liberation forces everywhere to oppose the occupation and savage crimes in Iraq and Palestine, by providing all kinds of material and moral support to the honourable resistance ... until God's victory comes," it said... I liked that last part of the article especially when it says: "and all religious authorities and liberation forces everywhere to oppose the occupation and savage crimes"
thats a big [;)][;)][;)]
QuoteOriginally posted by Oazaki
So I wonder what role Jupiter plays in all this?
Jupiter will become our 2nd sun! :( new planets inhabitable.
Then a war is raged, where all super powers die, with America split in half by the United Nations. I present to you, the NWO. Then microchips will be forced on us first by economic dependency and then law. We will be forced to sell our soul (mind controlled, soul changes thinking and so can thinking change soul) by accepting some microchip with a 3 digit base system.
get rid of the victimization mentality to affect our collective consciousness in a good way and finally change our future. No alien brothers will come to save us, because benevolent beings want us to grow as souls despite the physical and mental pains.
i am hypothesizing that a crystal skull can be found in the higher astral realms... with it, wishes can be made, truthes be known. But bad wishes reflect back to you, teaching you that sucking life enslaves you to suck more life, eg.
ask some good beings in astral.
I think the only serpent beings you can trust in astral are the ones in the upper planes, the Endorians (there is such a vortex at Wanaque, NJ). I doubt they will try to scare you or imbalance your chakra system.
The other serpent beings have not figured out how to break their curse- sucking fear. Figuring out how is the only reason why they are here. But they won't consider that.....
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QuoteOriginally posted by Oazaki
So I wonder what role Jupiter plays in all this?
Jupiter will become our 2nd sun! :( new planets inhabitable.
I think the second sun would be planet nibiru.
Found this at http://ww-iii.tripod.com/cometquatrains.htm.
Interesting stuff.
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If a major event like a Comet striking the earth is supposed to happen, where are the references of this momentous event in the writings of Nostradamus? In his quatrain I.69 Nostradamus described this event without mentioning the word 'Comet' directly. Elsewhere, he used the word 'Comet' or 'Bearded Star' but avoided any direct reference to the comet striking the earth. But there are many quatrains spread all over his book, which describe the after-effects or side effects of the comet-strike, e.g. huge and sudden floods, earthquakes, "fire from the sky", falling of "red hail" etc. Many of these quatrains are usually interpreted as describing the use of nuclear weapons, but a closer scrutiny would reveal that these quatrains are referring to something more than a nuclear war. The summary of my conclusions arrived from analyzing various prophecies, including those of Nostradamus are somewhat like this:
1. The comet will appear suddenly during the World War III, changing the course of the war. At that time, an attempt would be going on to forge a peace treaty between the islamic coalition and the western coalition. But after the comet strikes, the Europe will be in ruins and the USA severely crippled, easterners will seize the opportunity to attack and conquer all of the Europe.
2. It will come to view for only one to two weeks before it crashes on earth. Scientists will not be able to detect its approach beforehand. There will be very little to do except to try to escape. Casualties will be in millions.
3. The Comet will break into several pieces due to the gravitational pull of the Earth. The biggest piece will fall on the ocean causing huge tidal waves. Some big pieces will fall on the land in southern Europe, releasing huge amounts of dust into the atmosphere and dimming the sunlight. It will also cause tectonic and volcanic activities in Europe and elsewhere. Although Nostradamus speaks about Europe only, it is a forgone conclusion that the damage will not be limited to Europe only. Due to the earth's rotating motion, pieces will fall all over the earth, including the USA. Somehow, the Arab countries seem to escape the destruction. Most of the damage, as described by Nostradamus, are concentrated within the northern hemisphere and within 40 to 50 degrees latitude.
4. For several days, smaller burning pieces, broken off from the Comet will plunge through the atmosphere in a continuous stream causing huge fires in various cities and forests, thereby destroying them. This is the 'fire from the sky". Waters in rivers and sea will be polluted as a result.
5. The comet will be red in color. This is the cause of "Red hail" covering the earth. I was surprised as to how a Comet can be red in color. However, a search of the internet revealed that there is a class of Comets called the "Centaurs" which are amazingly red in color. The first such comet which was discovered was called "Chiron". There are also comets in the Kuiper-belt which are even redder than the sun. The red color of the comet and its long tail will give the impression that it is burning, even before it enters the earth's atmosphere. Those interested in the scientific reasons behind the redness of these comets can read the papers:
...and some more...
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[IX.55] The horrible war which is being prepared in the West, The following year will come the pestilence So very horrible that young, old, nor beast (will survive), Blood, fire Mercury, Mars, Jupiter in France.
The attack against Iraq by USA, Britain and the western coalition forces, opposed by most Islamic countries, might turn out to be the precursor to the WW-III and will obviously be a war "prepared in the West". Nostradamus says that in the following year, (2004?) pestilence will spread. This may point to a possible terrorist attack on the USA and other allied countries in the following year, this time using Biological, Chemical or Radiological weapons of mass destruction. The attack is likely to be on a gigantic proportion, leading to deaths in thousands. Maybe Anthrax and/or other Biological Warfare agents will spread out of control, in such a manner that people - young and old and also animals will die. Anthrax infects human and animals alike.
However, if we go by the astrological configuration provided in this quatrain and interpret "Blood, fire, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter in France" as meaning that Mercury, Mars and Jupiter will be in the same constellation, then we can find that all these planets will be in Virgo in September 2004, Libra in November 2006 and Scorpius in December 2006. These planets will again be conjoined in Sagittarius in December 2008, in Capricorn in February 2009 and in Pisces in April 2011. So, this is by no means a rare conjunction and no specific time period can be derived from this quatrain alone, unless there is a different interpretation for the last line.
[II.62] Mabus then will then soon die, there will come of people and beasts a horrible rout: Then suddenly one will see vengeance, hundred, hand, thirst, hunger when the comet will run.
The question is who is Mabus? There are two interpretations doing rounds these days. 1. If we unscramble the word, we can write it as "Usamb" very close to "Usama bin" the actual pronunciation in Arabic of what we call Osama. It seems to indicate that Osama bin Laden will die, probably due to bombing or due to attack of ground forces or even by suicide after being cornered. He may never be captured alive by USA. 2. Some say, Mabus is Saddam (read backwards, it spells "sudam" after some alteration). The "horrible rout" of people as well as beasts indicate not death due to war but due to some disease. This might be the same event described in the IX.55, the death of people and animals due to Anthrax or other Weapons of Mass Destruction which will spread like wildfire. "Then suddenly one will see vengeance" - vengeance by whom? Most likely by the Islamic terrorists to avenge Osama's or Saddam's death and USA's war against terror in Afghanistan and Iraq. There will be another sudden and widespread terrorist attack. The nature of this attack is not mentioned [Sollog, the modern time controversial prophet said, terrorists will explode suitcase nuclear weapons in Israel (Tel Aviv), USA (Washington DC) and Europe (Rome)]. The repeated threats of Osama and Mullah Omar comes to mind. At the same time a comet will suddenly be seen in the sky, advancing towards the earth, and ultimately striking it, resulting in devastation. It is possible that "Mabus" is neither Osama nor Saddam but it might be the name of some important Muslim leader e.g. Mohammad ABU Salem or Mahammad Abbas (the new Prime Minister of Palestine) etc. who dies just before WW-III starts.
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Adam: I have read a prediction by Mabus stating that the USA will be nonexistant by sometime in 2005...
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Welp, looks like hurricane Frances is heading Florida's way, this time it's going to land on my side of the peninsula unfortunately according to the media they are encouraging the people to take the forecast track as a very serious and alarming situation because it is pointing to our direction (southeast florida) yet saying there is still much uncertainty as to whether it's going to follow that path or not.
I think it won't at least not directly. I am anticipating a shift more to the north which would keep me and my area at least in a safer light since this is one powerful hurricane. One thing that is significant that I noticed about Frances that I noticed the same thing with Charley is that that bands of rains that the hurricane is producing looks very unusual compared to what I have seen in past hurricanes. The bands look all wavy, they have some sort of ripple like effect as if caused by some sort of low frequency 'seismic-like' waves, or electro-magnetic fluctuations. Some news reporters here have taken their time to explain sensations people may feeling because of the 'pressure fluctuations' the hurricane is bringing.
This hurricane definately looks like nothing I have ever seen before, it's power is very noteable. Have these cyclones evolved or is there another peice of the puzzle that is not being mentioned in the mass media?
Read the following article about hurricane Charley for a possible peice of this puzzle and you decide:
Charley - Scalar Electromagnetics Used?
By Michael Edward
World Vision Portal.org
8-30-4
First, a brief background regarding Scalar Electromagnetics and how they effect weather and the human mind.
The key discovery made by Tesla in the late 1800,s was that the earth itself reverberated with a pulsing electrical current in the low ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) range. Tesla had also discovered the exact frequency at which the earth normally pulsates. These natural waves are created as a result of electrical activity in the atmosphere. Collectively, these waves are called The Schumann Resonance. These are quasi-standing [SCALAR] ELF waves that naturally exist in the earth´s electromagnetic cavity, the space between the ground and the Ionosphere.
By causing many towers [HAARP, GWEN, etc.] to pulse with the exact ELF frequency of the normal earth pulsation, scientists have learned how to not only create, but also how to maneuver and direct storms. Tesla,s discovery can duplicate almost every single phenomena of nature, from cyclones to tornados; and now, with Solar Power Satellites used in conjunction with land based towers, weather Control is just that simple.
GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) transmitter towers bathe the entire U.S. in an artificial magnetic field which can rise from the ground to 500 ft, but also goes down into the ground as deep as a normal basement. Everyone can be affected and mind-controlled. This entire artificial ground wave spreads out over North America like a spider,s web.
The natural earth ELF waves are identical to the frequency spectrum of our human brainwaves, and it has been proven that the use of an ELF bombardment - at the same frequency as the human brain - can change a person´s thoughts or emotions. In the early 1960,s, Dr Andrija Puharich discovered various mental effects of ELF, specifically that 7.83 Hz (the earth´s pulse rate) made a person feel good, producing an altered-state; that 10.80 Hz caused riotous behavior; and that 6.6 Hz caused depression. It has since been discovered that 10 Hz puts people into a hypnotic state.
In speaking with everyone I can who survived the direct path of Hurricane Charley, I have begun to see a definite pattern in their stories. At first, it appeared that this was the effect of rapid barometric pressure changes that accompany powerful hurricanes. But people were not just describing the pressure they felt in their ears or the other physical signs of rapid pressure changes. Rather, they were describing extreme mental and mood changes they could not control.
About an hour before the center of Hurricane Charley passed over, survivors have described how they became very tired, depressed, and lethargic. While an approaching hurricane would depress just about anyone anticipating its arrival, the depression every survivor has described was not the anxiety depression such anticipation would typically invoke. This was an overall mental and physical depression that even affected them with general body aches and a widespread feeling of non-wellbeing. Almost all said it was as if they were drugged with a pain killer, but without the "goofy side effects. They could do the things they needed to do, such as get mattresses into their bathrooms to huddle under, but their thinking seemed "surreal.
When the eye passed over, they described feeling "numbed, both mentally and physically. While a few took a look outside to see if it was all over, most said they just didn,t have a thought to do anything other than sleep and not move an inch from where they were.
When the backside of Charley came, the same numbness as in the beginning again overwhelmed them. But what is most interesting is what they all described after Charley had finished its fury, from 1 to 3 hours later. Stupor, hypnotized, trance, under a spell, and zombie were the most common descriptions. Even though they were aware that the hurricane had passed, they were mentally not able to do anything. Some knew it was all over, but they just wanted to sleep. Nearly all just stayed put and didn,t bother to check their own surroundings. Nothing made sense, it was hard to get words spoken past a mental thought, and there was no fear or care about anything.
Personally, Charley was the third hurricane direct hit I have lived through, yet I never felt the same symptoms with the first two as I did with Charley. I experienced the same as all those who survived this hurricane with me. We all felt the exact same way before, during, and after, and we all agree that it was very odd the way we felt mentally and physically for those few hours. Moreso, those of us who have lived through previous hurricanes all agree that we never felt like this during our previous experiences. Our experience with Hurricane Charley was unique and different.
If ELF Scalar Electromagnetic frequencies were used, this would account for what I have described above. But more than that, if such Scalar EM was present, then this may also account for the rapid change in Hurricane Charley,s direction. Scalar mind and weather manipulation are accomplished in the same ELF range, and that is not just an unproven theory: It is a proven scientific fact.
When Charley was approaching Jamaica, the oddest thing took place. It was following a direct line path through the center of Jamaica, but suddenly it made a perfect arched curve to the south, and ended up back on its original course after it had swung around the island. That was just as odd as the sudden right-hand turn it made into Charlotte Harbor. There,s no doubt that since hurricane paths have been recorded over the past 200 years, no hurricane ever acted like Charley did or had ever followed such an erratic path. This was one of the biggest reasons Tampa was the predicted landfall area.
There are lots of unanswered questions about Charley, but one strong possibility is that it was manipulated using ELF Scalar methods. The symptoms we all experienced and the erratic behavior of Charley itself seem to lend credibility to this likelihood. For those like Tom Bearden and others who have far greater knowledge about Scalar, GWEN, HAARP, and ELF, I invite your comments. All of us would like some answers.
Michael Edward
http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?p=467#467
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Last week when I was monitoring this hurricane I told my dad I had a feeling about this hurricane. Wasn't a 'good' or 'bad' feeling but it was definately unusual. What do I think about this hurricane? I definately think it is being influenced in variety of means. [;)]
One of them being for political reasons which I don't want to get further into right now, but one thing is for sure: the market and the gas companies are definately benefitting from the consumers preparing like there's going a y2k event. Security measures have been stepped up, Jeb Bush declared the whole state of Florida under emergency. I read a thread on a forum linking to an article that suggests Martial Law is going to be declared by Monday ... but I am anticipating that it won't at least not for my area.
The media was being sensational about this hurricane earlier during the week and really hinting 'prepare' with their media coverage of local supermarkets and harware stores like Home Depot because they supposedly want to monitor how people are reacting to the hurricane and asking them questions. And I'm sure alot of people like the cameras too and might wanna be on tv... heheh.
This hurricane looks as if it can more of a punch than hurricane Andrew but since my home went through Andrew back in 92 without a scratch I think it won't be siginificantly damaged if at all. I'm still anticipating the hurricane turning to more to the north though, and I'll see how that goes. [;)]
Dear Quiet Storm...if they tell you to leave..leave. I was traveling there during Andrew and was in a hurricane in the Bahamas. This one looks nastier than either one of those and they were awful. Never been so scared in my life. The wind got so bad that we thought the shelter was going to be blown away.
So for your own safety, go to a shelter if they tell you to....
I know it is a hard thing to do, but your life is more important than any stuff. Hope you will be safe.
Jena
Yeah, if this does hit its more than likely gonna be dissapating over the US continent which means that it will just basically hang out over florida and the SE states.
It has a good chance of turning into a lvl 5 hurricane, and this will be the first time the states were hit like this.
The only other time I believe was in 58 with two hurricanes six weeks apart, but they were only lvl 3's, both of em.
Interesting stuff QS.
It's certainly not stuff you'd find in the mass media, eh? [;)]
I'd imagine they'd be useful at distracting people, and creating havoc, so as people are preoccupied. Maybe they use it to target an area that are showing signs of awakening? Who knows?
"Let me be clear on this. I was offering advice, to ANYONE who was getting frustrated. I was not speaking specifically to you."
Alieron I apologies for my mistake it just seemed to me, at the time that this was pointed in my direction, my mistake. I also didn't aim the suggestion that YOU yourself were being deceived but I can see why you would have assumed that it was aimed at you.
"But perhaps I am a fool"
I think we are all fools I know I am.
Interesting view Palehorse.
I know this isn't exactly on topic but its just one post.
Now back to Jesus.
Before you read the following I would like to say that I know that everybody has their own interpretations of the bible and I am not here to enforce my views, however the question has to be asked what is meant by the term generation?
"This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
I think that it is safe to assume that Jesus thought on a different level then most people. He would have had to communicate simple abstract truths to people of a lower understanding. With this in mind some of the things he said can take on different meanings.
Now what could he have meant by the term generation? We can take the road that generation implies all the people that were born around that time however I think this term implies something slightly different.
It is likely that Jesus saw everything as one. This being so the term generation would be implied to the whole of mankind and not just to those alive at the time. I think it is also likely that he saw the bigger picture and therefore how he could set events running in the desired path.
What if the term generation refers to the generation of man, what I mean by this is the present cosmic cycle. Therefore when Jesus said
"This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
This would mean that all these things must happen before we return to source.
Now I shall explain how I view Jesus actions.
In orthodox view Jesus had already upset some powerful people before he arrived in Jerusalem. When he arrived he went to the temple and drove out people who were buying and selling he flipped over the tables of the moneychangers and the stools of those selling pigeons. He knew that this would annoy a lot of powerful people. This act made sure that he would attract the attention of the authorities. Having been arrested and then proclaiming before their eyes himself the sun of god sealed his fate. As already mentioned Jesus was an intelligent person who thought on a higher level of understanding if he wanted to he could have talked his way out of this situation so why didn't he? The only explanation is that he knew and possibly the priests knew that he wasn't just setting up his crucifixion but something else that has been completely overlooked.
Now what could be this something else?
Jesus knew, just as we know now, that the temples had power and had become corrupted. What in this case is meant by corruption? Now suppose we take the term corruption to mean an inevitable shift in mans consciousness towards materialism. This would mean man over identifying with form and man forgetting his spiritual self (God).
Now if we take the term mans consciousness to be Gods consciousness in form (inhabiting form). This would be the same but opposite consciousness of (God). God not inhabiting form, being formless. However God the formless and all knowing, knew this and it not being beyond his power had already planed he would incarnate using the form of Jesus this is why Jesus is Gods Son.
Now when Jesus awoke he became God realized. This meaning he realized he was one with all, including God. Having realized this he would know both Mans consciousness and God consciousness. This would mean that God (Formless) would have become conscious while in Mans consciousness (form) or to put another way God-incarnate.
Jesus, now being god realized (God Incarnate) would now know what God knew (The inevitable fall into corruption) due to the melding of God consciousness. The inevitable fall into corruption would mean man forgetting himself and turning away from a spiritual Life. Which would lead to man forgetting himself and worshipping false idols this being foreseen by god the farther and by Jesus (being god realized, a son of God, one of Gods children) it would have been understood that there was need to intervene without the consciousness of man, consciously knowing, then to plant events that would save man from unconsciously sinning and ultimately helping man to find himself at the right time. When God intervenes without man consciously knowing it is what is referred to as a changeover. A changeover is when God intervenes without man having any idea.
"He flips the projectors, movie keeps going and the audience doesn't have any idea"
Now due to the inevitable fall into corruption Jesus knew that it was set for man to forget himself. This would mean that in time man would forget his connection with God the unformed. This would lead to idol worship and unconscious sinning and punishment of the masses, which was to be avoided without man consciously knowing. Jesus knowing this and loving us all took a plan of action that would remain unnoticed by mans consciousness.
However Jesus knew all this. By knowing this he knew the way to stop man from permanently forgetting himself. Because Jesus was in the know he saw the bigger picture, he knew that man had already begun to forget himself. Jesus knew once he had been crucified man would forget himself and consequently those in power the leaders would fall into materialism and because of their ignorance and the unknowing mismanagement of the basic instincts would unconsciously lead the masses into false idol worship and therefore unconscious sinning of the masses. However Jesus knew what to do.
Jesus guaranteed his crucifixion by purposely upsetting ignorant religiously powerful people by making them look foolish in front of many people. Jesus also upset the authorities at the temple in Jerusalem as already mentioned. Jesus also knew that man had already begun to forget himself for some of the Priests had become corrupted (shifted to materialistic ideals) and the people under their guide would follow.
"Luke 16
13" No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both god and money."
14 The Pharisees who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15 he said to them, "you are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but god knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in gods sight"
"Luke 20
45While all the people were listening, Jesus said to his disciples, 46"beware of the teachers of the law. They walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the market-places and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor and banquets. 47They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely."
The above passages verify some of the priest's corruption. However not all where corrupted. That year Caiaphas the high priest had prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation and not just the Jewish nation but for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. It is said that Caiaphas did not say this on his own. What follows is an important passage that is often misinterpreted. We shall do are best to translate this passage.
"John 11
45Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, put their faith in him. 46But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done 47Then the chief Priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.
"What are we accomplishing?" They asked. "Here is this man performing many miraculous signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will come take away both are place and our nation."
49Then one of them named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, "You know nothing at all! 50You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people then that the whole nation perish." He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one 53So from that day they plotted to take his life."
Why is it Caiaphas did not say this on his own?
What does the term Jewish nation mean?
What does the term-scattered children of god mean?
In what context is the word perish used and what does this mean?
These questions shall now attempt to answer.
On Caiaphas
First we must examine the statement about Caiaphas. Caiaphas as the high priest would have had wisdom (meaning he understood the connection of all as one) and been untainted by corruption. Having been untainted he was able to translate Gods word and see clearly what was to be done. What could the statement mean that reads "he did not say this on his own" Now this is an important misinterpreted statement. Before we decide on the meaning of this statement we should first determine the meaning of the statement prophesied. In the dictionary the word prophet is described as follows,
N. Person supposedly chosen by God to spread his word; person who predicts the future. – Prophetic adj. - Prophesy n. prediction; message containing Gods will – Prophecy v. foretell.
With the above terms kept in mind the term prophesied takes on a new concept. Also if we included the statement "he did not say this on his own" we can come to the conclusion that a prophet prophesies, and that God chooses a prophet due to his ability to prophesize (Interpret Gods Will). So when it is said that Caiaphas prophesied it means that he successfully interpreted Gods will. Caiaphas knew that Jesus was to be killed and he knew why. The statement "he did not say this on his own" verifies that Caiaphas was working with God and had to interpret Gods will, not only this is verified it also verifies that the other priests agreed with Caiaphas. This would mean the majority of priests were believers and if the priests were believers so were the people.
On The Jewish Nation
Now we should interpret what the statement Jewish Nation means. We know that the term gentiles refers to non believers atheists, would it not then seem logical that the term Jewish Nation refers to the believers, those who believe in the lord. And that it isn't as thought by the masses, just to do with blood? This would mean that the term Jew in the bible symbolizes a believer, and not just a person of Jewish ancestry. It is also said that the Jews are Gods Chosen People, now if we take the term Jews to mean in this case believers, then if we take a believer to be a person that believes in God, that would mean all those who believe in God are Gods Chosen People, which is an obvious statement.
On the Scattered Children Of God
Now we should interpret what the statement-scattered children of God means. It is said that Caiaphas also prophesized that Jesus would die not just for the Jewish nation but also for the scatted children of God and that he would bring them together and make them one. Now if we take the statement-scattered children of God to refer to the masses that were to populate the earth and forget they were Gods children due to the (inevitable fall into corruption). Then this would mean the Gentiles (Atheists) who have forgotten they are Gods children will become One Nation again with the Believers, via understanding the message. When the other Priests use the term nation they too are referring to the Nation of believers. They were worried about being destroyed not as a nation of Jewish ancestry but as a Nation of Believers and the believers were to Perish due to the inevitable fall into corruption via unconsciously sinning. The Priest were debating whether or not Jesus was the Prophesized Messiah if they had been wrong about Jesus then man would have unconsciously sinned. However they weren't wrong.
"50You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people then that the whole nation perish."
It needs to be asked what this statement means. We shall do this by first displaying in what context the word nation is used. We shall assume the priests knew of the Inevitable Fall Into Corruption and why Jesus was to be sacrificed due to Caiaphas successful Prophesizing. This being so the term Nation in the above statement refers to the entire Nation Of Believers, Gods Chosen People or in one short term Jews. Now we shall display what context the term perish is used in the above statement. It must be remembered that due to the Inevitable Fall Into Corruption, God would not have been worshiped and that false idols would, and have been worshiped. This being the case The Nation would have been unconsciously sinning and would thus have to Perish. Unless a changeover took place.
Why save Barabbas?
Now I have written enough information for it to be understood why Barabbas was freed. As we know now, the church is corrupt however who's image do its followers worship?
This is why the Jews screamed for Barabbas to be set free, this is why the Jews are said to have plotted to kill Jesus. This is why Pilate was confused because they wanted to kill their own Messiah. This is why Jesus refused to answer the priest's accusations. This is why Jesus rode in on a donkey why he flipped the tables, this is why the people loved him this is why Jesus loves you. It's all one big changeover.
Having really understood the meanings of the statements Generation, Changeover, Jewish Nation, Scattered Children of God, and the Inevitable Fall Into Corruption the answer as to why Jesus Loves you will come to you.
Your comments anyone?
"You know nothing at all! 50You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people then that the whole nation perish. He did not say this on his own, but as a high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52and not just for that nation but for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one "
Reread Revelation and see.
Hey it can't rain all the time.
With this understood Download if you want, Johnny Nash (I Can See Clearly)
"My son, do not make light of the lords discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the lord disciplines those he loves, and punishes everyone he accepts as a son"
"Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is, a virtue in her shape how lovely"
BIRDMAN
Really should start a new thread for this... [:P]
Why the mods decide that it's in our best interests to keep locking threads here, I don't know.
Just because people don't necessarily see eye to eye, and the conversations aren't necessarily all lovey-dovey doesn't mean they need to keep being locked!! Bloody hell [:(!]
heh, I know it's funny that when someone wants to be certain that a point is clarified and the other someoen doesn't give an answer that fully clarifies and the first someone again asks for clarification in a different way so that perhaps the person who's comments are in dispute will better be able to clarify it is seen as running in cirlces. I guess we are just to read comments without critically thinking about them and we are to write comments in the same manner and not be responsible for what we say. heh
But back on topic or we'll be welcome to nice shinny padlock.
12:35 PM EDT Update
Clinton Hospitalized: Web Bots Right - Again
With the report that Bill Clinton has been hospitalized today for an emergency triple bypass operation - we note that in our Monday web bot summary we forecast: (link to forecast)
"We´ll also be on the lookout for some talk of disease at a high level "Rather what we have is a lexical structure with words such as [evil], [vile], [foul] and [stagnant] also contains some references to disease. In fact, enough such references to disease appear that the lexical aspect takes its name from that subset. However, this is apparently all about a single [prominent/powerful/public] person being (struck down) by [disease] within the framework of the convention itself. This [disease] subset is cross linked back to (no movement)[facilitates/improves] which suggests that the disease is not something that is treatable."
While the "within the framework of the convention" is a bit off, we have to note that this is the final day and Clinton is above all else, a political figure. We wish Clinton a speedy recovery, but note that artery problems are not specifically "treatable". Our prayers that he recovers speedily."
http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
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This is cool technology. [8D]
I would hardly classify that as a "hit." The prediction was very vague and there are thousands of high level political figures.
Yeah, I wouldn't consider that a hit either. With so many high level political figures running around, the vast majority of which are old men over 50, you're bound to have a lot of health problems between them. That said, I probably *would* consider it a hit (or at least pretty damn close) if not for the prediction that the diseased official would come within the framework of the RNC. The only thing this really does concerning the GOP is that it takes Clinton out of commission for a while so he can't campaign for John Kerry.
That said, I just wonder if these web bots are inadvertently sabatoging their own predictions. We've all heard about how it may be that making such predictions actually changes the future... So, what if this *was* going to come true, but since the web bots mentioned and publicized it, the events took place in a much less obvious way? For instance, when those predictions were made, I'm sure all heads immediately turned in Cheney's direction, the condition of his heart and his old age making him the most obvious candidate. So, the circumstances which had to manifest, did so in a much less obvious way... though Bill Clinton.
Just more fun stuff to think about.
I'd imagine this link would be right up your alley, Quiet Storm.
[;)]
http://boards.ethericfreedomfighters.com/eve
Basically people who have united to fight the nwo/illuminati/reptilians/etc. by knocking out their mind control towers with orgonite-based devices. I've been looking into organite-based stuff myself, and I think I'm going to order a couple of HHGs (Holy Hand Grenades) and see how they fare at my house.
The tragedy that is the Russian school incident has been likened to the US 9/11 and has activated the awareness of the Russian people. Could this be the web bot "hit" we've been watching for?
... and oh yeah... notice how other threads in here have been quietly deleted? Like that guy who kept talking about the demon war... can't remember his name... but yeah. Don't like it. [}:)]
Walk-in: I dont think thats a hit.
About the hurricane: There is way too much coverage in the news about the hurricane. All local news stations have been watching Francis since last week and they all talked like they "knew" it was coming this week, and were getting everyone to prepare for it. This has never happened before in south florida and I've lived here all my life.
So they started covering this hurricane too early, not only that the governor declared all of Florida in a "state of emergency" way before it looked obvious the hurricane was going to come, so that gave him the power to let FEMA (and homeland security?) manage the security and let them do whatever they think should be done.
In the past with many other hurricanes the local media started covering them when they were much much closer and when it was OBVIOUS that it was going to it Miami. Francis is now hitting Central Florida (just like Charley did) and now they are all just covering this storm like it's "reality tv" and not just in Florida but all across the US heard. The hurricane is NOT THAT BAD. Just a category 1 hurricane, and for some reason I think it may even be less. My area did not even get a power outage. It's a good thing we didn't spend money on preparations for this hurricane. It really DID make that shift to the north. [;)]
Either the media and the government are using new policies or they actually FELT Francis was going to come onto shore way before it came and thought they'd want to anticipate his arrival.
In the past with many other hurricanes the local media started covering them when they were much much closer and when it was OBVIOUS that it was going to it Miami. Francis is now hitting Central Florida (just like Charley did) and now they are all just covering this storm like it's "reality tv" and not just in Florida but all across the US heard. The hurricane is NOT THAT BAD. Just a category 1 hurricane, and for some reason I think it may even be less. My area did not even get a power outage. It's a good thing we didn't spend money on preparations for this hurricane. It really DID make that shift to the north. [;)]
South Florida's people all have been talking about this hurricane since last week. They were all 'hurricane crazy'. The people around my area got prepared, they bought gas like crazy, there was lines and people had to wait an hour before getting to the pump because of the gas lines. And earlier this week when they were still waiting for this hurricane and Bush urged everyone to stay home when the hurricane was still 2 days away people began to think it was not coming and just wanting to get it over with so they can move on.
So why all the unnecessary coverage? Seriously there are way more important issues that are getting around but the many news stations are just not talking about at all. Are they trying to direct attention to the hurricane to direct attention away from all the latest revealing 'developments' and the RNC?
Now hurricane Ivan and some people might not take it seriously. Those who already have prepared for Francis may want to use that stuff for Ivan if he comes ashore.
and I might want Ivan to come... but not without weakening some. Category 2 or 3 is just about right, my apartment would definately survive that and it wouldn't be too strong for other buildings as well (except maybe trailer homes) yet would 'disrupt' normalcy.
ah... I'm done ranting.
I agree, QS - there has been absolutely nothing on TV but the hurricane for at least 24 hours - and I am in the midwest.
I think the media enjoys doing everything it can to stir up panic - and to justify all their expensive crews hanging around beaches and buildings just waiting for some kind of disaster. All of CNN and Fox News, CBS, ABC and NBC seem to be there along with some locals from here - standing in the rain, hair all a-blowing, and claiming "ain't it awful" and nobody is here except us who have so much macho that we can take it....Did you see Geraldo in his storm outfit...any disaster and he is there.
I am sure there is a lot of damage to houses and landscapes and flooding and it is sure no fun being in a massive storm for days, but you are right, the news people seem to be in panic mode - far more than the people like yourself who actually live there.
It is almost like they are said that hundreds haven't died or been injured last night.
I am a news junkie, but is it really news that trees get uprooted and roof tiles blow away and streets flood during a hurricane? Not that I don't care about helping the people who have lost everything - I do, and I make a contribution to the Red Cross whenever I can -- but the news people need to be run off those beaches and find something else to do with themselves instead of waiting for someone to get hurt or killed and then asking the stupidest question of How does it feel?
Glad you are doing OK...hope this is the last hurricane of the season, but it probably isn't.
Stay dry if you can.....JD
I don't have cable tv, only local channels, so no I didn't see Geraldo on Fox TV. I learned that the hurricane was being covered nation-wide from someone else.
The news reporters like to suggest emotions as well as assure federal security and law on live tv. They are like puppets.
Funny how during a much more powerful and much more deadly hurricane: Charley was not as covered as Francis was, and also not as covered up. I have read many stories from people saying that FEMA was purposely taking their time so that the people waiting for federal 'security' and 'nourishment' get all antsy and such. I also heard about coverups and the like.. such as hiding the total number of deaths and losses. The news reporters hardly ever mentioned the amount of tornadoes in the eyewall and outwards from that. Charley was really intense, and yet nobody over here gave a damn at least not as much as Francis.
Hurricanes are really interesting. I went through andrew as a child, and I don't remember much of it, but the thing that stands out to me the most was the ghastly howl of the sustained winds. And the howling went on for hours. I didn't get much scared since I was with lots of people in a big house which got no damage, but I can imagine the feelings it's possible that I can feel if I was in a house alone and just a ghastly howl going on for hours on end.
I think it's really cool though. I hope to be in one hurricane like that again, and definately reguarding the other people going through it. I think Andrew had alot of... character. That thing was ALIVE.. it was a monster. Way cool. [8D]
And now here comes Ivan...Im definately gonna see if I can weaken that storm before it makes landfall, to make it a bit easier for the people. [;)]
I completely agree with you, Quiet Storm. All I have gotten was a lot of rain and some fallen trees. No big deal. The coverage is ridiculous although the hurricane has turned around and is hitting my little town again.
I hope Ivan is a lot more powerful to justify the news coverage.
---Here Comes the Sun---
On Sept. 8, NASA´s Genesis mission is returning to Earth, bearing samples of the Sun. In a well-rehearsed midair maneuver, a helicopter will hook the spacecraft´s return capsule and bring it gently and safely to the ground. The capsule´s contents of solar wind may help scientists understand the origins of our solar system. The event, which takes place in the skies over Utah, will be broadcast live on NASA TV and the Internet.
http://www.genesismission.org/
´Spotlight: Here Comes the Sun Genesis is the agency´s first sample return mission since the last Apollo mission in 1972, and the first ever to return material collected beyond the Moon.´
´Spotlight: Genesis spacecraft returns to Earth
The Genesis spacecraft returns to Earth on September 8, 2004 in a dramatic mid-air capture.´
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*****The Genesis Reentry*****
On September 8th, a daylight fireball will streak across the western United States. It´s Genesis, returning samples of the Sun to Earth.
Meteors are unpredictable. You never know, not exactly, when one will streak across the sky.
Not so on Wednesday, September 8th. At precisely 8:52:46 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time (PDT), northwest of Bend, Oregon, a fireball will appear: a white-hot dot of light, brighter than the planet Venus, gliding across the blue morning sky.
This is no ordinary meteor. It´s a space capsule jettisoned by NASA´s Genesis spacecraft, returning to Earth with precious samples of the Sun, and we know exactly where it will go:
From Bend, traveling 25,000 mph (11 km/s), the fireball will streak across eastern Oregon, brightening as it descends into denser parts of Earth´s atmosphere. At 8:53:35 a.m. PDT it crosses the southwestern corner of Idaho and, moments later, northern Nevada not far from the tiny town of Elko. Finally, at 8:54 a.m. PDT, slowed to a near-halt by the capsule´s drogue parachute, the fireball will fade over Utah.
Sky watchers as far away as 100 miles from the reentry path could see the capsule glowing "10 to 100 times brighter than Venus," says meteor expert Peter Jenniskens of NASA´s Ames Research Center. For comparison, that´s about as bright as a fat crescent Moon. Jenniskens expects the fireball to be most luminous (visual magnitude -9) when it is over Nevada.
Complete article along with imaging & maps.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/03sep_genesisreentry.htm
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The Story of Genesis
Our solar system, with the Sun at its hub, holds a dazzling diversity of planets, moons, asteroids and other small bodies, which scientific theories say all formed from a giant homogeneous cloud of dust and gas called a "solar nebula." Intrigued by how this formation occurred, scientists sent NASA´s Genesis mission to sample the "solar wind" released by the Sun´s outer atmosphere.
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"Our spacecraft has logged almost 27 months far beyond the moon´s orbit, collecting atoms from the Sun."
"The helicopter that does achieve capture will carry the sample canister to a clean room at the Michael Army Air Field at the U.S. Army Dugway Proving Ground"
On September 8, 2004, the drama will unfold over the skies of central Utah when the spacecraft´s sample return capsule will be snagged in midair by helicopter. The rendezvous will occur at the Air Force´s Utah Test and Training Range, southwest of Salt Lake City.
"What a prize Genesis will be," said Genesis Principal Investigator Dr. Don Burnett of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. "Our spacecraft has logged almost 27 months far beyond the moon´s orbit, collecting atoms from the Sun. With it, we should be able to say what the Sun is composed of, at a level of precision for planetary science purposes that has never been seen before."
The prizes Burnett and company are waiting for are hexagonal wafers of pure silicon, gold, sapphire, diamond and other materials that have served as a celestial prison for their samples of solar wind particles. These wafers have weathered 26-plus months in deep space and are now safely stowed in the return capsule. If the capsule were to descend all the way to the ground, some might fracture or break away from their mountings; hence, the midair retrieval by helicopter, with crew members including some who have performed helicopter stunt work for Hollywood.
"These guys fly in some of Hollywood´s biggest movies," said Don Sweetnam, Genesis project manager at NASA´s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "But this time, the Genesis capsule will be the star."
The Genesis capsule -- carrying the agency´s first sample return since the final Apollo lunar mission in 1972, and the first material collected beyond the Moon -- will enter Earth´s atmosphere at 9:55 am Mountain Time. Two minutes and seven seconds after atmospheric entry, while still flying supersonically, the capsule will deploy a drogue parachute at 33 kilometers (108,000 feet) altitude. Six minutes after that, the main parachute, a parafoil, will deploy 6.1 kilometers (20,000 feet) up. Waiting below will be two helicopters and their flight crews looking for their chance to grab a piece of the Sun.
"Each helicopter will carry a crew of three," said Roy Haggard, chief executive officer of Vertigo Inc. and director of flight operations for the lead helicopter. "The lead helicopter will deploy an eighteen-and-a-half foot long pole with what you could best describe as an oversized, Space-Age fishing hook on its end. When we make the approach we want the helicopter skids to be about eight feet above the top of the parafoil. If for some reason the capture is not successful, the second helicopter is 1,000 feet behind us and setting up for its approach. We estimate we will have five opportunities to achieve capture."
The helicopter that does achieve capture will carry the sample canister to a clean room at the Michael Army Air Field at the U.S. Army Dugway Proving Ground, where scientists await their cosmic prize. The samples will then be moved to a special laboratory at NASA´s Johnson Space Center, Houston, where they will be preserved and studied by scientists for many years to come.
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coincidence?
Not a bad track record last week:
How´d we do? Last Week´s Forecast Reviewed:
Last Monday, we forecast that by this week we would be looking back at the RNC this way - the events forecast are in black while the events and fits are in blue bold font:
The "takeaways" that the bots suggest we´ll have next week might include a widespread recognition that the RNC meeting will be highlighted with a revelation (or revealing act) "Indeed, a failure at multiple levels. As the data set indicates, (all/any)[movement] results in (bound/constrained/frustrated)[desires/goals/efforts]. This is apparently all due to a single instance of the widespread perception of [insincerity]. or [sincerity] that is (inconsistent)." In the media the focus was on President Bush saying to Matt Lauer on Monday (after our post) that the war on terror was not winnable - and then the White House spent considerable time the rest of the week doing the "what the President was really saying was..."
We´ll also be on the lookout for some talk of disease at a high level "Rather what we have is a lexical structure with words such as [evil], [vile], [foul] and [stagnant] also contains some references to disease. In fact, enough such references to disease appear that the lexical aspect takes its name from that subset. However, this is apparently all about a single [prominent/powerful/public] person being (struck down) by [disease] within the framework of the convention itself. This [disease] subset is cross linked back to (no movement)[facilitates/improves] which suggests that the disease is not something that is treatable." This was a shockingly close forecast: Bill Clinton saw a doctor on Thursday and was sent home because his symptoms were not immediately treatable. He then went to the hospital on Friday and will have bypass surgery this week. The remarkable thing about this forecast was that almost all the pictures that were shown of Clinton were of his appearance at the Democratic National Convention - thus our "within the framework of the convention itself" call was arguably quite good.
We´ll also expect that there will be someone involved with the protests, who will arise out of the protester´s efforts, perhaps who will be subject to obviously excessive force by authorities - perhaps standing up to authority after being injured ala Tiananmen Square - who will be thrust into the public consciousness: "Rather, there will arise an individual *most hints at this stage suggest a female, youngish - say 20´s* who will become the ´poster child´ of the (solidarity/cohesive) American resistance movement. The data would suggest some nasty moments for this individual, but in spite of suggestions of a (frail frame/waif-like appearance/vatta-body type), the flesh shall endure and the spirit will triumph in a totally (unexpected/unbidden/not sought) (rise) to [prominence/pinnacle]." Here is where the young female AIDS activist being dragged out of the RNC hall - and by some reports being kicked in the process - seems like the best fit. The body type is right and there´s been some suggestion that she may file a large lawsuit for the way she was handled.
So what´s ahead this week? Nothing big (if the California quake and three more storms hitting the US - although it looks like one will be hitting a grape growing area - California? - until we get to Friday night through Saturday night. Sept 10th & 11th - the Anniversary of 9/11. That´s when we get in range of the assassination attempt or attack of an institutional type we mentioned last week.
About the only other thing on the horizon is part of the run that says authorities will get close to capture of Osama bin Laden, but that it looks like OBL and a number of associates will escape. Specifically,
"For instance within our Terrorists entity we find a lexical arm
suggesting that the [old/wizened/white haired] [man/leader] will be
(forced) by (circumstances of risk) to (take) to (hiding) (under) the
[veil]. Now, with recent blathering on the blathering-scope (TeeVee)
about the impending capture of O.bin Ladin, it could be that what
we are seeing referenced here are details about the escape in
which the ´veils´ or ´identity´ of a women are used to (confuse)
[thoughts] or to (apply) [confusion] to the [thoughts].
Apparently an attempt at ´restraint/constraint/capture´ will be
unsuccessful due to ´leaks´ from ´sympathizers´. These leaks will
lead to an ´escape´ of ´nine´ persons. They will be (driven) to
[ground] for [3 days] and will have [no food/sustenance/support]
during this period. Further, there are indications that while
[concealed/hidden] in a [hole/cave] with an attribute of [metal]
which may be suggesting a culvert sort of thing, one or more of
those fleeing will ´drown´ in the rain for (fear) of (raising/lifting) the
[head]. "
So if you´re in the mountains of Afghanistan or Pakistan and see 9 "women" walking in a rather unfeminine way taking cover in a culvert for three days while troops are in the area...that´d be what´s up. Full details of the run (Analysis #5) is available to www.halfpasthuman.com subscribers.
Again, we are very sorry that our forecast about the use of children as part of the terror war came to pass. Damn shame.
If you don´t understand web bots, you can either read my various explanations by wandering around the UrbanSurvival compound, or if you´re academically inclined, a bit more technical explanation from Cliff the virtuoso of c/perl/prolog (he´s the guy behind the curtain) at http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHRONGELOS_0521.htm
At the risk of having today´s report sound like the "Daily Bot Report", in the latest cut of the data there are two items to put on the calendar. One is a potential for an attack on an institution or person of significance here in the US:
"An entity arises which must reluctantly be named FoundationCrumbles. This entity represents what does appear to be a attempt at an [attack]. The lexical construct of the entity suggests an (attack) on a person, or in more singular language and so could be interpreted as an assassination attempt rather than a more general form of attack as we are doing here. The use of [strike](down) could apply to an attack of both a personal or an institutional kind.
Further, the clustering of lexical clues suggest that the most likely time for the attack is the night of September 10th. We have a clustering of our distance values for this entity arriving at that date within the modelspace. So the suggestion is the night of the 10th or the morning of the 11th. And of course, in so far as the western mind is concerned, using a solar calendar, this would be the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks of 2001. "
The other is what seems like a very large and damaging California earthquake which will take the southern part of the Golden State back to "a previous age" - suggesting that the event will come not as one, but two quakes with a pause between them - so when (if?) it happens, remember the first quake is the same or smaller than the second one that would be along shortly. You´ll know this will be the event when you get this to match:
"Other than the above, there are not a whole lot of meaningful references which come through. However we can note that there are specific references which suggest that a prison, or building housing a court will be seriously impacted. In the lexical structure it suggests that such a building will not be demolished all at once, but will (hang/suspend) its [crumbling/destruction] and that this will allow for some [entombed/trapped] individuals to extricate themselves."
http://urbansurvival.com/lastweek.htm#quakeforecast
Hmmm....
When this thread started I was very skeptical to predictions made by a web bot, but with those hits it is getting more and more interesting. I wonder how that bot works...
Thanks for posting this QuietStorm !
Yes, very good Quiet Storm. Things are lining up quite well.
In response to Adam's suggestion of EFF. That site is quite eliteous. Very closed-minded indeed. If you are not talking about orgone energy or refer to it as orgone energy then you are one of the enemy. Quite rude I believe.
Yeah I noticed that, actually. They seem to be very quick at getting rid of people who don't think along the same lines as them. And even when people disagree with them... well! Chop-chop. But he does say it's a website for action so... *shrugs* guess they can do what they like. But I've still no clue as to how to get approval to bloody post! So how the hell can i even help?? [?]
edit: oops, just noticed I got approval. Guess I had to wait long enough eh... [:P]
Exactly, Adam. I got a approval and I was suspended the same day. I was trying to get my feet wet and possibly learn something new but no. Judging by their posts they seem to be quite paranoid. There experiences seem to be dealing with FBI plots to kill them or their family and then they send some sort of orgone attack and they stop the threat.
Also these devices they have are quite strange. Basically crystals that can emit a bunch of energy (gifting, i think they call it) and stop the government from making their supposed mind control (cellular phone towers) from controlling the populace.
I'm not saying that they are crazy, I am just saying that they are placing a lot of faith in this Wilhelm Reich's theory of orgone energy. Which surprisingly sounds just like spiritual energy but under a different name.
I do believe their narrow-mindedness will be their downfall.
hmmmmmmm....
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ASTROLOGICAL HEAD´S UP!! WE´RE IN A 9/11 SCENARIO!
From: http://www.laweekly.com/rockie/
(Rockie Horoscope by Rockie Gardiner)
FORECAST FOR THE WEEK OF September 10 - 16, 2004
What happened was simple and synchronistic: On the last day of Mercury retrograde, as I was almost finished with the forecast for this week, my hard drive died. Kaput. A few phone calls to Dell and a few days later, a new hard drive arrived. It was installed, along with a bunch of programs, but I couldn't retrieve the column, because I hadn't saved it on floppy. Then I started thinking, well, the forecast was so scary, it's probably a good thing that it doesn't make it into print. Who needs to be reminded that the nasty aspects in effect on 9/11/01 are the prime features of this week's horoscope? Obviously, you do. So here's the scoop. On Thursday, 9/9, aggressive Mars challenges subversive Pluto as their square aspect becomes exact. On Saturday, 9/11/04, the exacting Virgo sun squares Pluto in Sagittarius, echoing the events of their conjunction on December 13, 2003, the day Saddam Hussein was captured.
The day that the Twin Towers collapsed, transiting Pluto was on the USA Ascendant in Sagittarius in a tight opposition to transiting Saturn in Gemini, the sign of the Twins. On June 11, 2004, two weeks before the scheduled transfer of power, so to speak, to the Iraqis, the 20-plus-degree Gemini sun opposed Pluto. This was about the time astrologers were predicting that George W. Bush might die, because transiting Saturn/Satan was approaching his natal Cancer sun and, hey, let's not forget Tecumseh's Curse. (That's the 20-year pattern of presidents elected in years that end in 00, 20, 40, etc., not surviving their term of office.) Besides, 20+ Gemini is the USA's natal Mars position, and who but the military needs more Mars? Which brings us to the new moon on Tuesday, 9/14, at 22+ Virgo, which, incidentally, is the USA's natal Neptune position. Remember Neptune, ruler of oil, movies and music, magic and mysticism, drink and drugs, faith and fanatics, lies and delusions? Anyway, this new moon at 7:29 a.m. PDT shows Ceres (Mother Goddess), Sol, Luna and Mars within one degree of each other, and close enough to Jupiter at 28 Virgo to be affected by the giant planet's tendency to exaggerate and rely on luck. All of the above are being squared, i.e., tested, by power-crazed Pluto, the Lord of the Underworld and the villain of this piece. On Wednesday, the 15th, Mars converges with the sun, and boom! It's Rosh Hashanah. Not the best indication of a happy New Year, but we can try, nonetheless. Here's a promising note: On November 1, the day before the election, the USA's progressed sun leaves scientific Aquarius, where it's been for the past 30 years, and enters spiritual Pisces for the next 30.
(ROCKIE ROCKS!)
U.S. National News
Probe Used as Practice for Asteroid Hit
Updated 8:58 PM ET September 7, 2004
- It is incoming, but it´s hardly big enough to be menacing and it even has parachutes to ensure a gentle landing on Earth.
Despite the space capsule´s diminutive size, asteroid watchers will be locking in on Genesis as it makes its descent on Wednesday - they need the practice.
"We sort of assume the spacecraft is an incoming asteroid," explained Donald Yeomans, manager of the Near-Earth Asteroid Program at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "It´s not quite the real thing, but it is a true Earth impact."
In fact, the Genesis craft, which has collected particles from the solar wind, will never touch the ground on its own. Stunt helicopter pilots plan to snag the probe´s sample return with a giant fishing hook-like arm once it has released a parachute at 108,000 feet and then a parafoil at 20,000 feet above Earth.
The point of the gentle catch is to preserve the craft´s hexagonal wafers, made of pure silicon, gold, sapphire, diamond and other materials, which contain the precious cargo of solar wind particles.
"What a prize Genesis will be," said Don Burnett, principal investigator of the missions. "Our spacecraft has logged almost 27 months far beyond the moon´s orbit, collecting atoms from the sun."
It will be the first sample return from space since the last Apollo lunar mission returned with a cache of moon rocks in 1972. But Yeomans and his team are more interested in the probe´s homebound trajectory than its contents.
Imperfect Model
Just last March, an asteroid the size of a trailer zoomed by within 4,100 miles of Earth, making it the closest encounter ever recorded. Needless to say, scientists have yet to test their methods on an asteroid that actually smashes into Earth.
The scenario is unlikely, apart from smaller, less harmful objects that would likely burn up in the atmosphere before hitting Earth. But scientists figure they may as well be ready. By being able to calculate when and where an incoming object will land, they can potentially avert damage and loss of human life.
The closest the teams have come to monitoring an impact was watching as an object smashed into another planet. In 1994 Yeomans´ team mapped the path of a comet as it plunged into Jupiter.
"This is the first opportunity to apply the same calculations and programs to try and predict an in-fall onto Earth," said Alan Harris of the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colo.
Of course, watching the progress of a manmade probe is not quite like the real thing. For one, it has thrusters that occasionally steer it on course. Every time that happens, Yeomans and his crew need to reset their software. It´s also moving much more slowly than an asteroid or comet would while hurdling toward Earth.
"It´s a little unrealistic," said Harris. "But it´s the best we´ve got."
Tapping Amateurs
To track Genesis, Yeomans and his colleagues collect readings from an array of optical, Earth-based telescopes around the globe. The data is then fed into software that´s designed to precisely map the path and speed of an incoming object. Even amateur astronomers pitch in by e-mailing Yeomans their own readings of the craft´s coordinates.
"The spacecraft was not as bright as predicted and the location in the sky was on the edge of the Milky Way," reported Richard Fredrick, an amateur astronomer who kept an eye on Genesis and sent in a reading from the Powell Observatory in Kansas.
Soon, people like Fredrick could see monetary rewards for their contributions when it comes to scanning the skies for the real thing. Under legislation approved by the House of Representatives in March, people like Fredrick could receive $3,000 for discovering and tracking near-Earth asteroids.
It´s unlikely that the team in charge of the Genesis probe will actually use any of the information from the Near Earth Object program since they have access to much more reliable data. Genesis has a communication device on board and will be relaying its location on a regular basis to Earth through the Deep Space Network.
But for Yeomans, the data will be instructive, to say the least.
"We know it will hit," he said. "But we want to see how soon our software tells us this for sure."
This won´t be the only chance to test NASA´s tracking ability. Two more probes are due to return to Earth over the next three years and Yeomans plans to track them both as though they were incoming asteroids. The NASA spacecraft Stardust, which captured pieces of a comet, is due back in January 2006. And the Japanese spacecraft Hayabusa sampled pieces of an asteroid and should return to Earth in 2007.
http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=040907&cat=us&st=usasteroid_practice_040907&src=abc
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Genesis spacecraft crash-lands in desert
CNN) -- The Genesis return capsule crashed in the desert on Wednesday after its parachutes failed to deploy. The craft missed a mid-air retrieval meant to save the spacecraft from impacting the Earth.
"The capsule has suffered extensive damage. It has broken apart on the desert floor," said an official on NASA TV. "Hopefully, there will be enough evidence to see what went wrong. Whether there will be enough science left inside remains to be seen."
Teams are attempting to recover the craft. NASA has warned them that a "live mortar" or explosive charge designed to deploy the chutes may still be armed.
NASA officials at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California said that long-range cameras did not detect the parachutes that should have slowed the craft.
"There was no drogue chute or parafoil," said a JPL spokesman. "Under those condition, the Genesis capsule hit the ground at about 100 mph."
NASA officials located the spacecraft around noon on Wednesday after it dug into the desert soil. NASA footage shows the craft tumbling rapidly through the air before hitting the ground with enormous force.
The return of the Genesis capsule was supposed to be visible for many in the U.S. as the capsule made a fiery ride across the skies of Oregon, northeastern Nevada, southwestern Idaho and western Utah.
By 11:55 am EDT, it reached the roof of the atmosphere, about 410,000 feet, glowing like a streaking meteor.
NASA officials were optimistic about the mission in the days leading up to the return of the Genesis capsule.
"We are bringing a piece of the sun down to Earth," said Charles Elachi, the director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "That´s going to give us some fundamental understanding of our origins."
Scientists say the data will not only reveal the composition of the sun, but illuminate how our planet could have formed from clouds of stellar dust.
"Four and a half billion years ago, all of the matter of the solar system, including us, was part of a giant molecular cloud," said Don Burnett, principal investigator for the Genesis mission. "Genesis is providing the chemical composition of that solar nebula. ...The material is still stored for us in the surface of the sun."
Two helicopters will be poised above a Utah Air Force base to snag the Genesis spacecraft´s return capsule. The sturdy container contains atomic isotopes collected as particles streaming off the sun, known as the solar wind.
The unorthodox midair retrieval will snag the first extraterrestrial samples since the Apollo missions in the 1970s.
Genesis collected the particles over the last two years on special tiles made from silicon, diamond, gold, sapphire and other materials. The solar particles, embedded in the collector tiles, were ejected at about 280 miles per second (450 km/s) from the sun´s scorching corona or outer atmosphere.
Genesis will fill in an astronomical blank spot about its makeup.
"What we´ve been missing is a starting point," says Burnett. "These samples allow precise measurements of the abundance of elements and isotopes in the sun."
Our star accounts for 99 percent of the mass in the solar system. It is composed mostly of isotopes of hydrogen and helium and includes 60 other elements including neon, argon carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and iron.
In all, Genesis has collected the equivalent of a few grains of the material. Scientists say that is enough to keep researchers busy for decades.
"In some cases, we will be studying these one atom at a time," said Burnett who estimates there will be a "billion billion" atoms available for study.
"We´ll have a reservoir of solar matter," he said. "We can meet the requirements for (studying ) the solar composition through the 21st century."
Genesis mission
Launched in 2001 from Cape Canaveral, the Genesis spacecraft traveled beyond the protective cloak of Earth´s magnetosphere for two years before heading home. Because of Earth´s electromagnetic field, much of the sun´s deadly radiation and material never reaches the planet´s surface.
In April, the craft ejected a 500-pound return capsule for return to Earth.
It has been approaching the planet at a leisurely 600 mph. By the time it reaches Earth´s atmosphere, the craft will be racing toward the planet at more than 25,000 mph. It will use a series of parachutes to slow its descent.
On Wednesday, it is expected to enter the atmosphere at 11:55 am ET above Oregon and, just two minutes later, glide down over the Utah desert. The main parachute, a wing-like parafoil, will deploy during its decent and a helicopter will snatch the Genesis capsule when it is still about a mile off the ground.
This daring retrieval method will protect the samples and sensitive instruments during reentry. A crash landing, even at the capsule´s relatively slow speed of 9 mph, could ruin some of the data collected during the mission.
The prospects for success look good according to NASA´s retrieval partner in the mission, the aerospace firm Vertigo.
"If they can find it, the success rate is very high," said Vertigo official Roy Haggard.
A modified helicopter -- with a winch, hydraulic capture pole and hundreds of feet of line -- will follow the capsule by radar until it moves in and snags the parafoil. Because the Genesis capsule must repressurize in the upper atmosphere, scientists want to minimize the sample´s exposure to air and possible contamination.
Once it is secured at a NASA facility, scientists can breathe easier, said Burnett.
"After that we can take our time, and we will see what we have," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/08/genesis.entry.cnn/index.html
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Capsule Crashes As ´Catch´ Fails
DUGWAY PROVING GROUND, Utah, Sept. 8, 2004
Genesis hit the desert floor without the parachute opening. (Photo: CBS)
"We´re going to get the pieces out. It´s going to be a lot tougher to sort out the pieces of broken material."
Roger Wiens,
payload leader for Los Alamos National Laboratory
Genesis falls to Earth. (Photo: CBS)
Helicopter pilot Cliff Fleming, right, never really had a chance to ´catch´ the capsule. (Photo: AP)
(CBS/AP) The Genesis space capsule, which had orbited the sun for more than three years in an attempt to find clues to the origin of the solar system, crashed to Earth on Wednesday after its parachute failed to deploy.
It wasn´t immediately known whether the cosmic samples had been destroyed. NASA officials believed the fragile disks that held the atoms would shatter even if the capsule hit the ground with a parachute.
"There was a big pit in my stomach," said physicist Roger Wiens of Los Alamos National Laboratory, which designed the atom collector plates. "This just wasn´t supposed to happen. We´re going to have a lot of work picking up the pieces."
Hollywood stunt pilots had taken off in helicopters to hook the parachute, but the refrigerator-sized capsule — holding a set of fragile disks containing billions of atoms collected from solar wind — hit the desert floor without the parachute opening.
The capsule was returning after more than three years in space as part of six-year project that cost $260 million.
The impact drove the capsule halfway underground. NASA engineers feared the explosive for the parachute might still be alive and ready to fire, keeping helicopter crews at bay.
"That presents a safety hazard to recovery crews," said Chris Jones, solar system exploration director for NASA´s Jet Propulsion Laboratory
The copters were supposed to snatch the capsule´s parachute with a hook as it floated down at 400 feet a minute, or more than 6 feet per second. But the capsule tumbled out of control. It was supposed to be spinning at 15 revolutions a minute to slice evenly through the atmosphere, but camera images showed it tumbling instead.
"Everyone was thrilled as they saw the pictures of the spacecraft coming back, and it just changed — it was like a 180-degree turnabout as it suddenly crashed on the surface of the Earth," reports CBS News Correspondent Steve Futterman. "There was just dead silence here."
Scientists hoped the capsule´s charged atoms — a "billion billion" of them — would reveal clues about the origin and evolution of our solar system, said Don Burnett, Genesis principal investigator and a nuclear geochemist at California Institute of Technology.
"We have for years wanted to know the composition of the sun," Burnett said before the crash. He said scientists had expected to analyze the material "one atom at a time."
Genesis had been moving in tandem with Earth outside its magnetic shield on three orbits of the sun.
Cliff Fleming, the lead helicopter pilot, and backup pilot Dan Rudert had replicated the retrieval in dozens of practice runs. Fleming and Rudert, stunt pilots by trade, were drafted for the mission because of their expertise flying high and capturing objects. Fleming has swooped after sky surfers in the action movie "XXX" and towed actor Pierce Brosnan through the air in "Dante´s Peak." He just worked on "Batman 4."
The Genesis mission, launched in 2001, marked the first time NASA has collected any objects from farther than the moon for retrieval to Earth, said Roy Haggard, Genesis´ flight operations chief and CEO of Vertigo Inc., which designed the capture system.
Together, the charged atoms captured over 884 days on the capsule´s disks of gold, sapphire, diamond and silicone were no bigger than a few grains of salt, but scientists say that would be enough to reconstruct the chemical origin of the sun and its family of planets.
Scientists had expected to study the material for five more years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/tech/main641846.shtml
IVAN WILL FINISH FLORIDA OFF
Hurricane Ivan will be the third hurricane to hit Florida in a 30 day period. With all the military troops occupying the southern part of Florida - below the line from Tampa to Daytona Beach first called the MICKEY MOUSE LINE - another destructive hurricane will put this former state in open and complete military control (Martial Law) for the "good" of the citizens. Homeland Security will have its first major test of widespread control.
The MOUSE LINE is nothing new as it was established in the later 1960´s by military strategists before the current FEMA ever became a Federal executive department. FEMA originally stood for Federal Emergency MILITARY ACTION. The scenario since day one [not long after the Cuban Missile Crisis] was that if "national security" warranted it, everything below the MOUSE LINE would be a military zone... a civilian "no-man´s land."
What can be expected? When a FEMA truck showed up with ice in Southeastern Florida 2 nights ago, a clash took place between the local Chief of Police and FEMA officials. The townspeople had been waiting in line for up to 7 hours for ice at a FEMA emergency distribution point when the truck showed up, but FEMA officials insisted it be distributed the next morning. The local Police Chief said that if it wasn´t distributed immediately, he would instruct his armed police officers to distribute it. FEMA caved in to avoid an open conflict.
But after IVAN hits Florida, FEMA will no longer cave in to any local civil authority as they will have open Federal "authority" from both the BUSH BROS to rule all local towns and counties below the MOUSE LINE. CAMP CHARLIE in Charlotte County has done this already whereby local EMS, EOS, and law enforcement must answer to FEMA-Homeland Security. Florida is currently designated as a Federal Disaster Area and the Federal Military already has full authority to "occupy" and rule over all local authorities.
If you don´t think this amounts to anything, wait until IVAN hits. The roadblocks are already in place below the MOUSE LINE. People are already complaining about being denied access to their own property because they don´t have sufficient ID.
What all of us who live here have experienced since August 13 is called a FEDERAL POLICE STATE. When IVAN hits between 9-11 and 9-13, the Federal Emergency Military Action will be in total open control. [}:)][}:)][}:)]
and I thought this one was interesting: "RUSSIAN SCHOOL SEIZURE WAS PLANNED IN WASHINGTON AND LONDON." http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=13660
fun fun fun! [:D]
Huh, I completely spaced on the coming dates of Ivan if it does in fact, hit the states. Thats really weird if it does on the anniversary of 9/11.
People are hoping that it dies down below the coast before it gains too much momentum, but personally, it just makes too much sense for it to be the third in a row.
If FEMA really can and does take military control of florida if Ivan does hit, though it is horrible for everyone living there, really, how many people are gonna want to go back? Ive already heard enough comments through newpapers, family and friends of people who are going to give up and move away if Ivan hits florida.
Can you imagine the devestation on the state of that happens? Not only will there be damages up the arse, but the population will have decreased, perhaps potentially decimating the states economy. Not to mention imagining the horrible scene that would take place at disney world. Can you see it? FEMA officers riding Space mountain?
Standing guard over the epcot center?
(Shivers) weeeeeiiiird!
Seems like September's turnin' out to be the month, innit? [;)]
Genesis SMASHED into the salt flats.
Too bad. I kinda feel bad for the all those space geeks looking foreward to studying it without the mess they now have.
Yeah, I couldn't imagine spending 3 years' work and $280 million on something, only to have it crash into the desert. Yikes.
On another note... does anyone else think this movie "What the @#$%^ do we Know?!" might be part of whatever is supposed to come in September? I haven't seen it yet, but it seems to be getting pretty big, and is scheduled for wide release tomorrow, so it seemed to me like that very well could be.
widely released already? Wow, I did not know that. All I have heard is promising things so I know Ill be watching for it. Otherwise I couldnt tell ya much about it beyond the fact that it is supposedly pretty intense in its philosophy and subjectivity.
I just wonder how much more of this the average person in Florida can handle....and people get very panicky and raging when so tired, and hot and hungry and thirsty and sleeping on gym floors.
I had been thinking of Florida as a possible retirement place for me later in life, but I doubt I could handle what the people there are trying to cope with. I love the ocean and being near it, but 3 really bad hurricanes in such a short period of time is more than anyone should have to cope with.
Part of what I don't understand is why, after so many hurricanes, they don't have building codes that require all power lines to be below ground. And obviously, some buildings are more solid than others so it would seem to me if there is any rebuilding, they have to quickly do something about the building codes.
I even thought that maybe the people in mobile homes could use bungee cords anchored in cement to hold their homes down. If these can stand the weight, gravity and force of someone going off a bridge or a building, it just might work to hold down buildings and roofs.
Anyway, let's all be as generous as we can be and make donations to the Red Cross which is always on the scene with as much help as they can muster. I support my local chapter and know that any amount of money is helpful to supply food and water and blankets to those who have none in this kind of disaster.
Maybe if they hadn't allowed most of the Everglades to be drained, these things wouldn't be so bad. Nature always gets its way and all that water is sure filling up the drained areas of the Everglades now.
I don't know how I feel about the military and Fema spreading out there. I was appalled at the stories of looters going into some of the most decimated areas and robbing people of whatever was salvageable. But I am sure it is also frustrating and a bit scary if you didn't grab the right documents to prove who you are and where you live.
Could be any of us in some other kind of disaster. One wants protection but not interference. A difficult balance.
Hope you and your family come out of it all safe, Quiet Storm.
Jena
We watched a video on Andrew today in ecology, and it said towards the end that scientists were pointing to evidence that a new 'cycle' of major hurricane activity would be directed at Florida in the future, starting with Andrew (1992). Apparently they weren't far off.
These storms weren't just the usual storms to hit Florida, either, as we even felt them up here in Virginia, which isn't usual. The corpse of Charley dragging through our area was enough to have school end early in our county, but many other schools in the area were closed before the school day even started, and by the time I got home the local news seemed to be displaying closings for about every school in the region. In Roanoke the streets were already flooding after just the first night of rain, and I heard on the way up, it had spawned a large number of tornados in North and South Carolina, which also caused over a score of deaths in just South Carolina.
I'm just waiting to see what Ivan does. Here's a government-run, yet probably nonetheless accurate site giving constant updates on all storms in the Atlantic and eastern Pacific that could hit the US: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/
I'm pretty chill about hurricanes, mostly because I haven't had a bad experience of them so far. When hurricane andrew came by I actually went through the eye. It was a cool experience. I was in a really strong house and it went through it without a scratch. I remember coming outside when the eye was right over the house. It matched up with the circle of the corner of the dead end street. Very calm, and then *swisssssh* the wind kicks up again all of a sudden and then it starts pourin once again.
About Ivan: Im intending to make the ride smoother however I do it and I know there are others doing the same, however they decide to do it.
I think there is the potential that FEMA and Homeland Security will attract some displeasing situations on their part and the civilians, especially now in the times we are in.
The media has doing a good job at suggesting certain emotions to their viewers. Get this: NBC is going to play "The Perfect Storm" on Sunday, just before Ivan makes landfall. [B)]
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - A large explosion rocked the northern part of North Korea, sending a huge mushroom cloud into the air on an important anniversary of the communist regime, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported Sunday.
Citing an unidentified source in Beijing, Yonhap said the explosion happened on Thursday in Yanggang province near the border with China. The damage and crater left by the explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county was big enough to be noticed by a satellite, the source said.
"We understand that a mushroom-shaped cloud about 2.2 miles to 2.5 miles in diameter was monitored during the explosion," Yonhap quoted an unidentified diplomatic source in Seoul as saying.
North Korea was founded on Sept. 9, 1948. Leader Kim Jong Il uses the occasion to stage performances and other events to bolster loyalty among the impoverished North Korean population.
Experts have speculated that North Korea might use a major anniversary to conduct a nuclear-related test, though there was no immediate indication that the reported explosion on Thursday was linked to Pyongyang's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.
Kim Hyong Jik is reported to hold a major missile base. North Korea, which has a large missile arsenal and more than a million soldiers, is dotted with military installations.
South Korea's Unification Minister Chung Dong-young said Sunday the government is in the process of confirming reports that there were signs of an explosion in North Korea.
"I am not aware of details such as the size of the damage," he was quoted as saying by Yonhap after a National Security Council meeting.
On Saturday, North Korea said recent revelations that South Korea conducted secret nuclear experiments involving uranium and plutonium made the communist state more determined to pursue its own nuclear programs.
The South Korean experiments, conducted in 1982 and 2000, were likely to further complicate the already stalled six-nation talks aimed at dismantling the North's nuclear development. South Korea has said the experiments were purely for research and did not reflect a desire to develop weapons.
On April 22, train wagons at a railway station exploded in the North Korean town of Ryongchon, killing 160 people and injuring an estimated 1,300, according to some estimates. The blast was believed to have been sparked by a train laden with oil and chemicals that hit power lines.
The source in Beijing that told Yonhap about the explosion last week said it was reportedly bigger than the train explosion in Ryongchon.
There was alot of disinformation that came with the 'intelligence' of this event that happened North Korea. Several sources said it was a forest fire, with no mention of a gigantic mushroom cloud. Others said it was a small explosion. And other IMO more accurate sources said it was a huge explosion, a mushroom cloud being miles high and 2 miles in radius, like one from a nuke and caused a crater that can be seen from a satellite. Some of them say the nuke was part of a nuclear test Kim had done to promote him as a badass to intimidate the people of the country to submit to his power. A source I read said Kim regularly does "scare tactics" like these just to scare the people to submit to him and fear him even more than what they already do. I say that smells like bullshyt. I know he might want to scare the people regularly to submit to him and crap but I don't think he'd do a random show of force and technology with a FVCKING NUKE just to gain an ego boost. [?][?][?][}:)]
Unless an Amerikan authority figure had something to do with it.
There was another source that said it was a nuclear plant or facility or something and it just blew up for an as yet unknown reason.
There's no mention of terrorism yet, at least from the many sources I have read from.
Quiet Storm, Of course he would...the man is nutso and has a massive ego. He has absolute power there. So did his father.
His people are starving to death and he wants to play macho-dude. Anyone who complains about the starvation and deaths, gets put in prison, regularly tortured, and never seen or heard from again. He doesn't care how many of his people die as long as he stays in power. Any food aid that is sent gets distributed to his huge military before the children see any of it. In the past, he has used his attempts to make nukes as a means of blackmailing other countries into giving him food and fuel.
He has made it quite clear that when he has them, he will use them on Japan, China, South Korea and probably Alaska or California if he can get them there. No doubt, he also wants to sell them to terrorist groups as well.
Of course, the South Koreans are trying to make nice, but they could be looking at their own future. He wants their wealth and will decimate them and his own people to get it.
Of course, it could be a test run that backfired on them. In that country, anything is possible.
Correct me if Im wrong with any of this info, but we cant forget this happened only days after it become widely known(As in wider distribution of the information, not that it was not known) that South Korea has been trying to get their nuclear development in better progress for what they are saying is only for their power sources.
N. Korea has been debating about with this issue because they are accusing S. korea of trying to build arms.
Issues issues
looks like the reign of red days to me....
Isn't something like this supposed to happen during October?
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409030023.html
N. Korea to Conduct Nuke Test in October?
Grand National Party Lawmaker Park Jin, who is currently attending the U.S. Republic Party national convention, said Thursday that North Korea may conduct a nuclear experiment in October, and this intelligence was quietly making its way around Washington political circles. Moreover, a high-ranking U.S. government official recently met with a North Korean diplomatic official in New York and official conveyed concerns over this intelligence, Park said.
While he was visiting the headquarters of the New York-based Wall Street Journal on Thursday, too, Park was asked by a high-ranking member of the paper´s editorial staff whether he knew of the "October Surprise." The editor said that talk of a North Korean nuclear test in October was going around Washington political circles and high-ranking government officials, and such talk had even made it to the New York media.
Park said that through inquiries to high-ranking U.S. Defense Department officials and White House beat reporters from major media companies, he was able to reconfirm that such talk was, in fact, going around.
Park did not reveal who conveyed U.S. concerns to North Korea through New York diplomatic channels, but he did say that a high-ranking U.S. government official officially expressed concern over a possible "October Surprise," and North Korea showed no response.
You know whats even more disturbing, is the fact that I have not heard a single thing about this "so-called" blast from the politicians. It seems like its not being made in to such a big deal even though it is being played off as a massive potential threat to the world in many ways.
Alright, lets look at some key players in global headlines and potential for any type of world change.
We got;
Arab/African, N. Korea/S. Korea, Isreal/Palestine, Chechnya/Russia, America/Iraq.
These are the biggest I can think of off the top of my head. Add any that might be of interest.
Imagine the conflict that would arise if different sections begin increasing even more so, the hostilities towards one another.
I can only imagine what might happen if all these places divided and condensed into two main hostiles.
I can see the US playing off both sides.
our world through the glossy haze of possible hazards.
India/Pakistan is another one that comes to mind.
The whole thing with North Korea fits into a pattern that the US govt has played out, if IMO you see the melody they dance to. It infuriates me, but it does not suprise me... remember that these players want chaos!! It's about divide and conquer, divide and conquer...
I'm glad that the transition stuff is going down soon... seems like it's in the nick of time, eh? [:D]
Seems like the media's trying to make an enemy out of France too, or at least Fox News is :/
Pretty much anybody that didn't support Bush's trip to Iraq is too low for the US to even deal with.
Haven't we seen enough of this:
World Trade Press
Beware of the End of the World (Wide Web),Says Intel
09.10.04, 12:04 PM ET
Sep 10, 2004 (financialwire.net via COMTEX) -- (FinancialWire) Remember those End of the World signs? Well, Intel Corp. (NASDAQ: INTC) says it may be nearer than we think. Except the sign says End of the World Wide Web.
It's a vision apparently shared by Cisco (NASDAQ: CSCO), Hewlett-Packard (NYSE: HPQ) and AT&T Corp. (NYSE: T), all of whom are working feverishly, either together or apart to save the World Wide Web, which Intel and others see as becoming so overloaded it will eventually break.
At Intel's technical conference, CTO Patrick Gelsinger said the Internet will begin to collapse as millions of new computer users from developing nations begin to sign on.
"We're running up on some architectural limitations," Gelsinger was quoted as saying.
FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.forbes.com/execpicks/feeds/general/2004/09/10/generalcomtex_2004_09_10_ir_0000-5884-KEYWORD.Missing.html
I think Intel's just p*ssed because at the moment for the same price you can get a kick-butt AMD64 which romps all over current intel CPUs
The internet won't break. It'll just keep getting bigger and bigger, more out of control, and more full of annoying commercial crap than it already is.
More business, more porn, more scams, more popups, more viruses......
End of the world? Yeah baby...bring it on!
The place needs a bit of a clean-up anyway.
Y'know, for all the time I spend on my PC playing games, on the internet, etc.....when it all goes pear-shaped, I don't really think I'm going to miss computers at all!
[8D]
- James.
Ban on Assault Weapons Expiration Today
BOISE, Idaho (AP) - The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like AK-47s, Uzis and TEC-9s can now be legally bought _ a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased.
The 1994 ban, signed by President Clinton, outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.
Studies done by pro- and antigun groups as well as the Justice Department show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.
Gun shop owners said the expiration of the ban will have little effect on the types of guns and accessories that are typically sold and traded across their counters every day.
At the Boise Gun Co., gunsmith Justin Davis last week grabbed up a black plastic rifle resembling the U.S. military's standard issue M-16 from a row of more than a dozen similar weapons stacked against a wall.
The civilian version of the gun, a Colt AR-15 manufactured before 1994, could be sold last week just as easily as it can be sold this week. "It shoots exactly the same ammo at exactly the same rate of fire," said Davis.
Many states _ including California, Massachusetts, New York and Hawaii _ have passed their own laws curbing the use of assault weapons. Some of those are more stringent than the federal ban.
U.S. Rep. Butch Otter, R-Idaho, trumpeted the end of the federal law.
"President Clinton's so-called 'assault weapons' ban was nothing more than a sop to antigun liberals," Otter said Friday in a written statement. "It provided only the illusion of reducing gun violence, but it did real damage to our liberties."
But advocates for the ban, including the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, point to some particularly vicious shootings in which military-style weapons were used _ including the 10 killings in the sniper shooting spree that terrorized residents in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C., in 2002.
National police organizations such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers and the Fraternal Order of Police all support the renewal of the ban. President Bush has said he would sign such a bill if Congress passed it.
Idaho State Police spokesman Rick Ohnsman said troopers have had no significant problems with assault style weapons and his agency has not taken a position for or against the federal legislation.
"Of course, the legitimate owners of guns register them. Unfortunately, whether there is a ban or not, some individuals will find ways to get weapons that are illegal."
The expiration of the assault weapons ban does not mean the end of federal background checks. The 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is separate legislation from the assault weapons ban, said Daniel Wells, chief of the FBI unit charged with overseeing the background checks system.
"The change in law relating to assault weapons has no impact on the Brady Law," Wells said.
Davis predicted the biggest change in his business will be the ability of manufacturers and importers to market higher capacity ammunition magazines _ the removable "clip" that holds and feeds bullets through guns.
Under the 1994 ban, the maximum capacity of a magazine was set at 10 rounds. That sent the price of high-capacity magazines through the roof, Davis said, even though magazines manufactured before the ban were protected by a "grandfather" provision and could still be sold.
Now, some gun manufacturers are planning to give away high-capacity magazines as bonuses for buying their weapons. Sales of formerly banned gun accessories, such as flash suppressors and folding stocks, are also expected to take off.
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On the Net:
National Rifle Association: http://www.nra.org
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence: http://www.bradycampaign.org
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
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My own opinion?
Well it seems like this is well timed, with terrorist action reaching certain peaks in some places, and the paranoia spreading even more, what better quasi-catalyst for extremists to go off the paranoic action than the allowance of assault weapons reentering the mainstream.
Many of those manufacturing these weapons know that there will not be a surge of buyers coming forth like many fear, but it is not the surge by many people that we should worry about, it is those extremists we should now be worried about. This is a great excuse to see extremely dangerous weapons legally fall into the wrong hands.
But is it to weed out those who may trigger violence, or is it an attempt to create an ever more nervous society which is already on edge because of foreign terrorists. Now we are going to have to worry about the nut sitting next to us.
What is the government creating but brittle edges of sanity with terrorist alerts, expiring gun laws, wider media coverage of frightening world wide events, stricter laws, less privacy, degrading peace between countries, political propaganda, and potential military changes in constant flux.
We are being herded like cattle towards the exit, and a vast majority are looking at their feet unaware of where they are headed.
quote:
It's a vision apparently shared by Cisco (NASDAQ: CSCO), Hewlett-Packard (NYSE: HPQ) and AT&T Corp. (NYSE: T), all of whom are working feverishly, either together or apart to save the World Wide Web, which Intel and others see as becoming so overloaded it will eventually break.
What a bunch of bs. Anybody that knows anything about how servers work and how many there are knows what a crock this is. Just like that guy on Fox News last night that said the hurricanes Florida has been seeing is just a unique case of strange weather in the world and doesn't have anything to do with global warming. Just ignore the heat wave in Europe that killed some 30,000, the hurricane that hit Brazil, ancient parts of the Antarctic breaking off in chunks...
[xx(]
Oh, goody...I can just imagine the assault guns in the hands of the street gang members in Chicago. As if they don't already wreck havoc with drive by shootings. Its nuts.
And this latest nuke race amongst smaller countries seems almost like a contest to see who gets to nuke us first. Oh, well. I suppose we can take some small consolation in the fact that if the Korean dictator uses them on us, there will be no more North Korea 30 minutes later. Iran would likely just lob them over to Israel which, of course will send a bunch back. And India and Pakistan will finally solve their over-population problems by nuking each other.
Dismal scenarios and one can only guess at what effect it might have on the planet as a whole. I don't think the people who are so hell bent on having these weapons see them as horrible as they are. And they somehow think they can survive the devastation once something like that is let loose in their part of the world.
I know I wouldn't survive it. I don't understand what they think they can gain by it except death, destruction, and absolute misery for any who do manage to survive.
Talk about bad karma! Not enough of a peace consciousness loose in the world. At least not yet. I fear that, unfortunately, it may take these kinds of disasters for that to truly happen.
2005 and 2006 could be extremely violent years.
We certainly don't need more crazy folks with assault weapons loose on the streets and in the backwoods of America. Its not as if they don't already have a stockpile of all other kinds of weapons. If they only killed each other with them, who would care? But that doesn't happen. There always seem to be a lot of innocent people just going about their daily business that get shot because they happen to be in the way.
Please medidate peaceful thoughts and intentions -- lots of them. Send off clouds of them into the air and care not where they settle. Where ever they settle, they will be needed. And keep sending them. Don't stop. There needs to be a counterbalance to the killing sickness that seems to be infecting more and more of our people.
Peace.....Jena
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Originally posted by Jenadots
Oh, goody...I can just imagine the assault guns in the hands of the street gang members in Chicago. As if they don't already wreck havoc with drive by shootings. Its nuts.
And this latest nuke race amongst smaller countries seems almost like a contest to see who gets to nuke us first. Oh, well. I suppose we can take some small consolation in the fact that if the Korean dictator uses them on us, there will be no more North Korea 30 minutes later. Iran would likely just lob them over to Israel which, of course will send a bunch back. And India and Pakistan will finally solve their over-population problems by nuking each other.
Dismal scenarios and one can only guess at what effect it might have on the planet as a whole. I don't think the people who are so hell bent on having these weapons see them as horrible as they are. And they somehow think they can survive the devastation once something like that is let loose in their part of the world.
I know I wouldn't survive it. I don't understand what they think they can gain by it except death, destruction, and absolute misery for any who do manage to survive.
Talk about bad karma! Not enough of a peace consciousness loose in the world. At least not yet. I fear that, unfortunately, it may take these kinds of disasters for that to truly happen.
2005 and 2006 could be extremely violent years.
We certainly don't need more crazy folks with assault weapons loose on the streets and in the backwoods of America. Its not as if they don't already have a stockpile of all other kinds of weapons. If they only killed each other with them, who would care? But that doesn't happen. There always seem to be a lot of innocent people just going about their daily business that get shot because they happen to be in the way.
Please medidate peaceful thoughts and intentions -- lots of them. Send off clouds of them into the air and care not where they settle. Where ever they settle, they will be needed. And keep sending them. Don't stop. There needs to be a counterbalance to the killing sickness that seems to be infecting more and more of our people.
Peace.....Jena
Lucky for Oazaki and his gang, eh Jena? [:D][:D]
veccolo?
Yes?
just checking ;)
Hehe :)
To Jenadots,
The people who would use those types of guns for drive-bys etc. already have them. it doesnt matter weather theyre legal or not. all the ban does is stop the good people from having them. not that thats any good, but the more guns we have the less violence. Im not going to try to shoot anyone who has a gun ready, or who has friends with guns. if everyone has the power to kill each other, i think wed behave better, its why having nukes makes this the safest era in history to live. War is a lot more avoided when people know you can decimate them, even if they can annhalate you.
my 2 cents
Love Joshua
Adam...as you may recall the big "O" and his gang as you call it, has been wrong on every prediction he made.
Sooner or later those clowns in our Congress will reinstate the lapsed ban. Not that it will do much good. Those who really want them will find ways of getting them - they always seem to. A ban on them just made it a bit more expensive and inconvenient for them.
I don't worry about the "Zhendi" crowd attacking anytime soon. Its the nutso's and fanatics who value their own lives so little that they value everyone else's not at all, that are cause for concern.
I make it a point to avoid people like that by not putting myself in their path.
The best weapon is to not need one.
Of course, I was fascinated by the study that showed that a town where just about everyone had a concealed weapon legally, the criminals did pass them by. As Awakening pointed out, it is the only thing some people respect. So I don't favor disarming people if they want a gun in the home. But assault rifles are not just little self-defense items. There is no mistaking the intent to kill with one of those and to kill indiscriminately.
Makes me wonder what's next. Do I have to wonder if the guy next door has a tank in his garage and that's why his car is always in the driveway? Canons off people's patios? Sounds insane, doesn't it?
Yet it is possible there are people out there who would go out and buy a home tank or canons just to have them "just in case." And they would tell you that this is perfectly normal reaction to the current state of affairs here.
I certainly hope things don't get so bad that I have to learn to drive a tank over the guy next door, who at the moment, just has a too messy garage -- or at least that's what he wants everyone to believe.[;)]
Hi Everyone,
In regards to the gun issue at hand, I sense that it has been carefully planned in advance with other factors involved, that pertain to FEMA & Homeland Security.
The bait...is giving back a supposed freedom that was limited. A few carefully planned "incidents" by the power's that be, & the Prez signs an emergency bill to allow FEMA...door to door searches under the watchful eye of Homeland Security...& you lose the right to bear ANY ARMS! Therefore, they give alittle bit back & come back & take IT ALL! Wonder what the web-bot has picked up concerning this? Marianne
well I mean c'mon!
Cant you just imagine it? Bush and Heston hanging out by the pool, takin back whiskey shots with their assault rifles laying against their chairs.
Its like clarity of the mind man, I tell ya.
I don't know why you keep insisting on misspelling 'Zhedi', Jena. Is it some kind of insult?
So you don't believe that what Oazaki said about those 'predictions' being causal ie. designed to have an effect?
lol, its actually 'Zhedhi'.
LOL!
zhedhi
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said to me
he said to me once I paled in comparison to the sun, so I replied, "well what do you expect. I may be sexy, but Im not that hot."
HA!!
impressed? Just pulled that one outta my arse.
any and every prediction is meant to "have an effect."
doesnt mean they're acurate or astute or acute or obtuse or obscene....but it can.
must say one thing. Oazaki has some timing. As soon as he leaves the forums for who knows how long, events began trampling the world.
(shivers) Oh god. Is it true? Is he really....should I say it? (shrugs)whatever[;)]
I think that thought is overrated, so lets dump some more insight on these current mugawhumps.
It seems Vladimir Putin is trying to use that school massacre to put an end to free elections and make a major power grab. This should be... interesting.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/14/russia.putin.ap/index.html
Man, guess I should keep my mouth shut about spelling errors when I can't even do the same. [:(!]
...oh, don't know if anyone saw this post, but on the healing forums, 23 August...
quote:
*snip* In fact, things will begin accelerating very rapidly indeed as of today, for all concerned. Most people probably won't pick up on it until the 25th August or so though. Still, it's going to be moving very fast indeed and will just keep on gathering more weight and speed. My masterstroke in this whole game if you like.
Have we forgotten Toutatis btw? [:D]
quote:
According to NASA on September 29, 2004 a large and potentially hazardous asteroid called Toutatis 4179 will come very close to planet Earth.
Facts from NASA:
·Toutatis is about 3 miles long, 1.5 miles wide
·Discovered in 1989, it nears earth every 3.98 years
·It has a very strange shape, rotation and orbit
·On Sept 29th it will come less than 963,000 miles close
·963,000 miles is considered a very near miss
·It orbits into the main asteroid belt between Mars & Jupiter
·Earth, Mars & Jupiter's gravity affects its orbital path
·It will slow down crossing near Earth at about 24,000 m.p.h.
·It will be very bright, visible even with binoculars
·Officially, NASA gives a zero chance of impact
·A collision would kill most all life forms on Earth
'eres a link: http://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroids/4179_Toutatis/toutatis.html
Im just curious....probably pointless to ask, but has anyone noticed rather vulnerable feelings lately? Almost trancelike and groggy, as though they are not getting enough or too much sleep even though they may be getting their average amount of sleep, and more suceptable to influence?
I ask because Ive noticed myself feeling like this and more of my friends are relating to me similar feelings.
I will be driving or in a conversation and drift, much more so than previously. I will seem to just go blankminded.
Obviously when someone brings up a point like this, it can create a more conditioned response, as though once someone talks about it everyone begins to agree even though it may not be true but it validates certain opinions or emotional viewpoints.
I wanted to know though because this has not only become increasingly odd for me and people close to me, but when I watch the news, at political conventions or just in responses to certain events going on, reaction seems more subdued, people respond rather lethargically. At least it seems so to me. Obviously there are still those who act out more so than what I am speaking about, but a majority just seemed cowed to me.
Almost like the timing of that would be perfect wouldnt it? People going into barely noticable trancelike states closer and closer to the election. Influencing majorities.
anyways, I just thought I would bring this up, but dont let the topic disarm you and lead you to believe it is happening when it might not be, I was just curious if there are more people out there feeling like this.
Maybe it is just plain exhaustion...I know I am really tired after a hectic two weeks.
Or it could just be we are all crisis-ed out and on crisis overload.
Seems like every news show is blaring loud music and big, bold banners about something -- hurricanes, war, the Sudan, the election, the candidates, you name it and they turn it into a crisis. When everything, including all the big murder trials, gets treated as a crisis, I think we just become immune to whatever we hear. It is hard to find some low-key, just the facts type of news on any channel these days. The closest I have found is the BBC International which at least doesn't scream the news at you every few minutes.
I think what I have been feeling lately is that I can't do anything about all that, but I can do something about the here and now - where ever I happen to be. A feeling of that just has to be enough. It is not really indifference to what is going on in the world as much as it is a recognition that I can't really do much about those problems no matter how much I might want to.
Right now I am in a low-stress mode of events come and go. Some are good and some are horrible, but the people around me are what is important.
I guess it is kind of zoning out, but it is also very calm.
I do know what you mean about going blank-minded tho, sort of an all talked out feeling. More meditative, more wanting to sense things than to think or rationalize about them. Seems to have been that kind of week.
I think it has something to do with the HAARP and like as well as other mind technologies. Those same ones are mentioned in the article I posted here the other day about Scalar ELF technology and their possible use in weather manipulation.
There are also companies hat set up the "towers" that receive and transmit these low frequency waves all over the US, and they even try to do it secretly by blending them in the background. In fact that's something that these companies learn to do.. they try to hide them...in trees, rocks, whatever they can use to ensure the least possible exposure.
Here's something I read on them today:
Latest Info On The Microwave Vertical Array ELF Towers Being Erected Countrywide http://educate-yourself.org/dc/dclatestonmctowerarrays25may02.shtml
For those that didn't suspect this from the very beginning:
http://rense.com/general57/aale.htm
I read that article just yesterday. I hope he wins in his case.
Check this other article out if you will:
Since the end of the cold war, the United States has been trying to come up with an operating theory of the world—and a military strategy to accompany it. Now there's a leading contender. It involves identifying the problem parts of the world and aggressively shrinking them. Since September 11, 2001, the author, a professor of warfare analysis, has been advising the Office of the Secretary of Defense and giving this briefing continually at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community. Now he gives it to you.
http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets/ThePentagonsNewMap.htm
That article is fcking revealing as hell!! This guy, from the Navy states truth in such a way as to conceal it to the sheeples while also adressing those that KNOW the US government is tyrannical. It's another one of those 'jokes' officials like to play on the sheeple.
Looks like Russia´s war on terror will start with the USA and UK...
Russians Blast US-UK
Sponsorship Of Chechen Terror:
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/print.php?storyid=
793&PHPSESSID=be4cdc6168a069b727d08e1fb8e651e2
MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin said Friday that Russia is "seriously preparing" for pre-emptive strikes against terrorists, while Chechen insurgent leader Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility for a school hostage-taking and other attacks that have claimed more than 430 lives.
Speaking to a meeting of world mayors in Moscow, Putin also made a veiled attack on the West, saying that double standards in dealing with terrorism are "disastrous for global security."
Putin didn´t name any specific countries, but his comments appeared aimed at European and U.S. officials who have urged Moscow to conduct peace talks with Chechen rebels.
"There continue to be attempts to divide terrorists into ours and others, into moderates and radicals," Putin said in televised remarks. "All this is a condescending, justifying attitude to murderers, which amounts to being an accomplice to terrorism."
Putin firmly ruled out any "bargaining" with the Chechen rebels. "Every concession leads to aggression, a widening of their demands and multiplies the losses," he said.
The president said that "now in Russia, we are seriously preparing to act preventively against terrorists," adding such action would be "in strict accordance with the law and norms of the constitution, norms of international law."
Putin didn´t elaborate, and it wasn´t immediately clear whether he was referring to action against terrorists only at home or abroad as well. Other Russian officials, including Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov, have said that Russia could conduct pre-emptive strikes against terrorists abroad, saying such action could involve any weapons except nuclear.
The main Chechen rebel website, Kavkaz-Centre, posted on Friday what it said was an e-mail from Basayev, claiming his Riyadus Salikhin Martyrs´ Brigade was responsible for the bombings of two Russian passenger jets last month, a suicide bombing outside a Moscow subway station and the school siege in the southern city of Beslan.
More than 430 people were killed in the attacks, including 338 at the school, where the Sept. 1-3 hostage standoff ended in a hail of gunfire and explosions.
The lengthy e-mail, signed with Basayev´s nom de guerre, Abdallakh Shamil, defended the attacks as part of the Chechen war for independence against Russia. It also sought to shift blame for the massacre to Russian forces.
Putin and other officials have said they had not planned to storm the school, where the attackers had rigged bombs amid the 1,200 hostages, many of them children. According to Russian officials and witnesses, after explosions rocked the school and armed volunteers started shooting, Russian special forces opened fire, too.
Basayev´s e-mail disputed that, saying: "We declare that the Russian special services stormed the school, (and that) it was planned from the very beginning."
The e-mail alleged that Emergency Situations Ministry workers who entered the school to collect bodies of dead hostages were, in fact, security officers, and that the explosions rang out only after those workers yelled "Run out!" to the hostages.
The letter said the attackers promised to give hostages water if Putin decreed an end to fighting in Chechnya and a troop withdrawal from the region; if the troops were really being withdrawn, the captives would have been given food.
"As soon as the troops are withdrawn from the mountains, we will let children up to age 10 go, the rest after the full troop withdrawal," it said.
If Putin had resigned, the attackers would have freed all the children and left for Chechnya with the rest of the hostages, the e-mail said. It also cited Basayev´s letter to Putin, which offered peace in exchange for the Kremlin´s recognition of Chechnya´s independence.
It was impossible to confirm whether the e-mail was genuine, but the website long has served as a mouthpiece for Basayev and has carried his previous claims of responsibility.
Alexander Ignatenko, an expert on Islamic militant groups, said the message appeared to be Basayev´s response to global condemnation of the school seizure.
"He is afraid of losing support even in the Islamic countries," Ignatenko said. "He wants to shift blame to the Russian authorities."
Basayev also sought to cast the school attack as rightful vengeance for alleged Russian atrocities in Chechnya.
"We regret what happened in Beslan," he said. "It´s simply that the war, which Putin declared on us five years ago, which has destroyed more than 40,000 Chechen children and crippled more than 5,000 of them, has gone back to where it started from."
Basayev´s e-mail said the 33 attackers in Beslan included 10 Chechen men, two Chechen women, nine Ingush, three ethnic Russians, two Arabs, and five other Russian citizens. Russian authorities have said there were 32 attackers and that all but one was killed.
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sorry I dont have a link...
OH! NO! Not another conspiracy theory - hiding under every rock![:P]
Now I have to be afraid of the rocks in the garden turning me into a walking vegatable?
As for Putin, he is right. We cannot very well expect him to negotiate with those who took over that school and caused the death, some by beheading, of so many children if we won't negotiate with Bin Laden and others like him. Telling him to do it was a stupid remark on the President's part. He knows Putin and he knows he will never negotiate any more than he will. Either one would really have to face the wrath of their people if they did.
And yes, the government did encourage independence for that part of Russia which has been fighting for it for nearly a hundred years. The terrorist attack really had nothing to do with that issue. Some terrorists just saw it as a handy excuse to attack and kill.
Unlike the US, which is sometimes too politically correct in dealing with terrorists, Putin and the Russian government will not fret over giving them a fair trial, or any trial at all. They will simply hunt them down and kill them.
Good for Putin. I just hope he doesn't sacrifice his own people's rights to do it. I would hope he doesn't lead his country down the path of another totalitarian state as bad as the Soviet state which collapsed. Tho if I recall correctly, he was a part of the KGB himself. He will have a hard enough time just staying in power after these attacks. And maybe that was the purpose of it all. Another Russian government collapse would lead to chaos all along its southern terroritory. A terrorist's dream.
We live in trying times. It is 1939 all over again. But there is not just one man, or one government, that is causing so much bloodshed and terror in the world. Unlike WWII which had a definite end, this kind of thing could go on for decades. I hope not, but realistically, there seems to be an unending stream of young terrorists with no real value for life -- theirs or anyone else's.
Sooner or later, we in the USA will face another big attack. The attacks of this year around the world just seem to me to be the test runs. I don't know if we are better prepared, or not. If someone is really determined enough, there are millions of easy targets around.
I forget who said "Pray for peace, but prepare for war." But it does have a certain wisdom in it, doesn't it?
The world seems to need a good bloodletting every 30 or so years. Could be we are overdue.
FBI´s Anti-Terror ´October Plan´
WASHINGTON, Sept. 17, 2004
Convinced that al Qaeda is still determined to disrupt the U.S. fall elections by an attack on the homeland, FBI officials here are preparing a massive counter-offensive of interrogations, surveillance and possible detentions they hope will disrupt the terrorist plans, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
FBI field offices and Homeland Security agencies will be advised of "extraordinary measures" that will go into place "beginning the first week of October through the elections."
An internal e-mail advisory to supervisory agents this week from the FBI´s "´04 Threat Task Force" said the purpose of the counter-offensive is "to foster the impression that law enforcement is focused on individuals who may be a threat."
Specifically, the plan calls for "aggressive - even obvious - surveillance" techniques to be used on a short list of people suspected of being terrorist sympathizers, but who have not committed a crime. Other "persons of interest," including their family members, may also be brought in for questioning, one source said.
All recent truck thefts, chemical thefts and suspicious cargo truck rentals will also be reviewed as part of the plan. Mosques will be revisited and members asked whether they´ve observed any suspicious behavior.
Throwing hundreds of agents on the street and conducting invasive surveillance has become a standard post-9/11 tactic for the bureau, which hopes at a minimum to force terrorists go back into hiding and re-think their plan.
Some officials believe it was just such tactics that foiled the remainder of al Qaeda´s New Year´s bomb plot in January 2000 after agents arrested one operative, Ahmed Ressam, in Port Angeles, Wash., with a car trunk full of explosive material.
The bureau also knows it can expect to be criticized for the strategy if it goes too far. One element of the plan calls for addressing what some officials fears could be a wave of protests from Arab-Americans and civil libertarians once the so-called "October Plan" kicks off.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/
eveningnews/main644096.shtml
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oh hellz nurr...!!!
thats like martial law. detainment camps anyone?? and I wonder who the FBI considers "terrorist sympathizers"...people against the war on terror??
Antiwar Million Worker March
Oct. 17, 2004, Washington, D.C.
From: "AntiWar 4 the Million Worker March" <antiwar4themillionworkermarch@action-mail.org>
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/antiwarmarch17octinwashDC14sep04.shtml
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Just like New York, only bigger.
NATURAL DISASTERS 'ON THE RISE'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/3666474.stm
Jenadots: Aren't you forgetting that Putin is blaming the US and the UK for sponsoring the terrorist "twin" plane crash as well the "school terror" event, and not Osama Bin Laden?
EDIT: I gotta bring this up again:
CIA AND MOSSAD AGENTS BEHIND GLOBAL TERROR http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=6557
Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." [Washington Times September 10, 2001]
The Phony (Mossad)
Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
Also note that there were NO Arab bodies found in the autopsies of the people who were in the planes of the 9/11 tragedy, but there were whites and Israelis.
[}:)]
I feel that this article is very important for anyone who uses cow products.. it's worse than you think:
A Testimonial From The Man Who Killed a Mad Cow
http://www.mercola.com/2004/sep/18/mad_cow_killer.htm
quote:
Originally posted by Quiet Storm
Jenadots: Aren't you forgetting that Putin is blaming the US and the UK for sponsoring the terrorist "twin" plane crash as well the "school terror" event, and not Osama Bin Laden?
I'm sure of our involvement with the first. The second wouldn't surprise me. I use the word 'our' loosely.
all are condemned until life is given rather than taken.
ACCUMULATING EVIDENCE THAT IVAN WAS MANIPULATED
LOOK HERE FIRST:
The Rumor Mill News Reading Room
IVAN IMAGES - WHAT THE HECK IS THAT THING...?
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=55807#IVAN
FOLLOWUP:
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9/18/2004 3:57:40 PM Pacific Standard Time
This is near where I grew up. The white square was roughly over a no man's land called,"Tate's Hell". About 20 miles to the NE is the National High Magnetic Lab 2. About 20 miles to the NW is where 4 people were killed in one of Ivan's tornados at Blountstown.
See:
http://www.fl-dof.com/state_forests/Tates_Hell.htm
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/about/tallahassee.html
REPLY TO ABOVE EMAIL:
9/18/2004 9:02:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Thanks, You know I downloaded the GOES IR weather loop for this time period, but by the time I got to it these key frame-files had been removed by UNISYS. At the time I was puzzled by the data gap, in fact smelled a rat, and really glad that someone was head's up to find the frames. I have the loop on my hard drive. I made this screen capture from my animation analysis program showing the missing data. I'm posting this as additional corroboration that indeed something strange might have happened.--Kent
See:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/missingf.jpg
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Look at this pentagram right in the eye of hurricane Ivan: http://www.climatepatrol.com/files/the_star_in_ivan.gif
Well stirred. [:D]
to be honest, I think those pics are tampered.
You can see the first pic contains a little trail off before you hit the puffed square. Simple to do in photoshop with a smudge tool and the white area just needs to be airbrushed with something at a very light pressure until the right look is furnished.
Not too mention usually in a hurricane the winds tend to follow the spiral, not create a broken path in one variation of the storm which does not move with the storm, but in fact stays in the exact same path throughout the movement.
If anyone thinks that is possible, or even plausable, raise your hands. Personally I think that it would have been pointed out and even seen on the continious coverage of all the hurricanes thus far.
Earthquake by Hurricane Jeane: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_nnaj.html
This is actually the 3rd time there has been notice of an earthquake with a hurricane this year.. I don't know if it's normal but I sure have never heard of hurricanes causing earthquakes. At a regular forum I post at there has been notice of earthquakes caused by hurricane Frances and Ivan.
I knew there was something weird with the bands.. like I said, they look weird like seismic waves. Nothing like I've ever seen before in a hurricane. It made hurricane Frances look like it had a very weird spinning action.., the outer bands with the waves seemed to be going the opposite direction and moving outwards and away from the eye.
This is a funny... BBC admits mobile phones don't work on aircraft!
Mobiles in aircraft edge closer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3665848.stm
They didn't have this technology back in 9/11. So how did the calls from the aircraft get through then?
two things:
1) I dont know if those on the 9/11 flights used their cells or the on-board phones.
2)It doesnt say that mobiles dont nor ever worked on planes, just that they didnt want people using them as they interfered with the instruments on board. In fact that was what the study showed, was that mobiles do and have worked, they were just told not to use them.
those on the plane probably werent concerned with getting into trouble for using their cells if that is what they used to make the calls.
Your right, mobile phones do work.
Quiet Storm...Is there a negative rumor or conspiracy plot about the big, bad old USA that you don't or wouldn't believe? Just a thought.
Myself, I know the government allows some questionable, if not despicable things to occur. But most of this stuff is just rumor, conjecture, conspiracy fears, unprovable claims, and in some cases, just outright hair-brained lies and made up evidence.
None of which means the terrorists are the good guys. And Putin has to blame someone - he can't very well blame his own government.
And no, I do not believe the President had anything to do with the planes crashing into buildings on 9/11 or the school attack in Russia. I blame the people who actually did those things. They are at fault and not one of the victims or the countries deserved to be on the receiving end of those events. There is no possible excuse they can use to explain away what they did. Not the USA government. Not the Russian government. Just their own fanaticism.
As for the Israeli's - well there are a billion Muslims who think Hitler was right and they would be happy to finish the job. So of course their intelligence agencies are extreme. They have to be. The survival of every Jew in Israeli depends on it. How would you like to live there knowing that at any given time someone could try to blow you up? I don't imagine they rest easy too often.
So, please, could you at least try to see some good in the USA and not be so eager to believe the worst anyone can think of - or at least be a little bit skeptical of some of these things?
I am always fascinated by some people who claim Bush is as dumb as a brick and then give him credit for designing some grand scheme to destroy the world, take away all our rights, and get terrorists to do his bidding. And that he has somehow gotten everyone in the government to go along with it all and hide everything from everyone. He is either the dumbest man alive or the smartest. These are the same folks who come up with all this so-called evidence that rarely holds up to scrutiny.
Things may not be as good as you want them to be but they are likely not nearly as bad as you seem to believe they are.
Presidents come and go as do events. And the world goes on.
And why wouldn't you think earthquakes and hurricanes can go together? 3 earthquakes in Japan preceded Ivan and there have been rumblings in California now for over a month. Probably not a cause and effect relationship -- just nature doing what it does in different places. Hurricanes in one place and earthquakes in another. Other places have drought or wind storms. These are natural events, not bizarre occurences.
Glad you got through the hurricane thing and hope no more are coming your way.
Peace.....Jena
quote:
Quiet Storm...Is there a negative rumor or conspiracy plot about the big, bad old USA that you don't or wouldn't believe? Just a thought.
Myself, I know the government allows some questionable, if not despicable things to occur. But most of this stuff is just rumor, conjecture, conspiracy fears, unprovable claims, and in some cases, just outright hair-brained lies and made up evidence.
None of which means the terrorists are the good guys. And Putin has to blame someone - he can't very well blame his own government.
And no, I do not believe the President had anything to do with the planes crashing into buildings on 9/11 or the school attack in Russia. I blame the people who actually did those things. They are at fault and not one of the victims or the countries deserved to be on the receiving end of those events. There is no possible excuse they can use to explain away what they did. Not the USA government. Not the Russian government. Just their own fanaticism.
The chechen terrorists were not from the government, so yea he wouldn't blame his own government, why would he?
And yes I know the latest articles about Putin's suspicions and found evidence was based on a supposed speeches of which other media sources around the world also reported on.
quote:
As for the Israeli's - well there are a billion Muslims who think Hitler was right and they would be happy to finish the job. So of course their intelligence agencies are extreme. They have to be. The survival of every Jew in Israeli depends on it. How would you like to live there knowing that at any given time someone could try to blow you up? I don't imagine they rest easy too often.
Did you not hear of the news from the "official" CNN News Station that the FBI knows there is an Israeli spy in one of the highest seats of the government who was supposedly responsible for false intelligence about the war on Iraq, and were "investigating". And they still seem to be investigating...
quote:
So, please, could you at least try to see some good in the USA and not be so eager to believe the worst anyone can think of - or at least be a little bit skeptical of some of these things?
Who said I don't, Jena?
quote:
And why wouldn't you think earthquakes and hurricanes can go together? 3 earthquakes in Japan preceded Ivan and there have been rumblings in California now for over a month. Probably not a cause and effect relationship -- just nature doing what it does in different places. Hurricanes in one place and earthquakes in another. Other places have drought or wind storms. These are natural events, not bizarre occurences.
Hurricane Ivan caused an earthquake right where it was at, at the time the Earthquakes were felt. They were most likely in the ocean, and mildly felt on land . This latest one from hurricane jeane was a magnitude 5.5 on the land right under hurricane Jeane. The coordinates were:
485 km (305 miles) NE of Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic
510 km (320 miles) NE of Santiago, Dominican Republic
535 km (330 miles) NNW of SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico
565 km (350 miles) NNE of SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic
Did you not read the information I got? It was from the US Geological Survey website on a .gov sponsored adress... which should make it an official source too.
The point is: this is not what happens in what is deemed the 'norm' by most... and even Jenaland. heheheh [:D]
I have to agree, I dont think that what has been happening both geopolitically and environmentally, is anywhere on the norm meter anylonger.
I seriously think that the threshold has been crossed over and too few people are taking this honestly enough to even discuss it. I tried with my parents tonight, and it just turned into a joke, something Im use to, but still disturbing that most people will only mention whats happening in the world, but not discuss it or why they think it is happening.
Though I do think this is all very abnormal in the pasts terms of what may have been normal outwardly, it still does not necessarily mean every twist and turn that occurs is with motives well beyond what it may seem. Im sure here and there, certain conspiring agents are acting together and against one another, but not everybody is in on it, and not everybody is even concerned with it all.
The only part I believe we need to continue on a steady path, is our awareness and study of the surrounding world we live in, without jumping to conclusions, without creating false hopes or worries and without blinding ourselves to all the possibilities.
It does us no good to look at every possibility and surrender our wills to the creators of information and disinformation, just as it does us no good to just deny everything as well.
Take it in stride, wait it out and when we are ready, we will know, I promise this.
Zionist Jews Worked ´To Capture The U.S. Government´
9-19-4
Edwin M. Wright was an intelligence agent and State Department employee in the 1940s and 1950s. Though an internationalist and an advocate of a plan for bringing refugee Jews to America, he saw clearly the danger posed by Zionism to the United States and to the world. His account of Jewish crimes and manipulations makes riveting reading. His personal experiences of Jewish bullying (and even impersonation!) of Presidents and officials, vote-buying, and much more are absolutely amazing and convincing. He´s also an excellent writer. Excerpts follow:
"The material I gave Professor McKinzie was of a very controversial nature -- one almost taboo in U.S. circles, inasmuch as I accused the Zionists of using political pressures and even deceit in order to get the U.S. involved in a policy of supporting a Zionist theocratic, ethnically exclusive and ambitious Jewish State. I, and my associates in the State Department, felt this was contrary to U.S. interests and we were overruled by President Truman..."
"Zionists and Christian Fundamentalists have frequently used the Hebrew Bible as an authority for justifying a Jewish State. As late as summer 1976, Candidate Jimmie Carter stated, ´I am pro-Israeli, not because of political expediency, but because I believe Israel is the fulfilment of Biblical prophecy.´
"So the Bible-- and belief that it is God´s Holy Word and infallible, became a useful tool in Zionist propaganda. I take the point of view that the Bible is a mixture of Hebrew legends and myths and cannot be used as an element in U.S. foreign policy."
"The Zionists were very successful in using religion for political purposes. This is prohibited by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which states the Government should recognize no ´religous establishment.´ In the case of Zionism and Israel, the U.S. has recognized and supported a religious establishment--viz: the State of Israel which in turn discriminates against all non-Jewish religions."
"Zionists, since Truman´s decision in 1947-48, have lived in a Fool´s Paradise. They assumed their control of the US government, press and public was permanent and based an ´moral´ values -- therefore, the US at all times would give Israel total support. Zionists seem to live in a dream world of their own creation and think the rest of the world should accept their dream. They seem quite incapable of facing reality."
"Esther got her Gentile King drunk, then wheedled his signet ring and sent out an order to the Jews--so they slew 75,000 innocent Persians (Esther 9:16). The Book of Esther is not history. It is parody. The Ahasuerus of Esther is probably the Seleucid King Antiochus IV Epiphanes (165 B.C.) and Mordechai is probably a symbol for Judas Maccabeus. Esther represents the beautiful dream of a Messianic Jewish State. There is a lesson nevertheless in this immoral and violent story. A political marriage of any political power with Messianic Zionism is certain to produce disaster."
"Time is vindicating the point of view of those State Department specialists whom Truman said he could not trust because they were ´anti-Semitic.´"
"The third step in Zionism was that they must have large enough a state in order to keep the whole Jewish population there. At that time there were about fourteen million Jews, and now that meant owning a very large territory. It is not brought out in Zionist propaganda in America, but what they claim is all the territory from the Suez Canal clear north to the mountains of Cappadocia, in southern Turkey. [Statement by Herzl. Also see Numbers 34; Genesis 15:18, Joshua 13, II Samuel 8:5-6.} It includes all of Lebanon, much of Syria, Jordan, and Sinai. This is the territory they call ´Eretz Israel,´ the land of Israel, which is mentioned in the Bible."
"I might mention here that I have found Zionism very deceitful. There is a double meaning in all the words Zionists use, and [Chaim] Weizmann himself said one time, ´Let the British or anyone else talk about Zionism and they can use our terminology, but we know what the meaning of it is. It has one meaning to us, one meaning to the Gentiles.´ They´ve always had this double-entendre in everything that they have done. Whenever they use words you have to try to find out what is the context in which they are using these words."
"Domestic issues are not based on intelligence, but on self interest of a smaller group, and I think in this connection I think I should mention specifically two. One was what we called the China Lobby, a very odd and indiscriminate group of people who never were really organized, but had a tremendous influence upon government. They eventually were captured by Senator [Joseph R.] McCarthy. The other were the Zionists, who were more organized. They had been working for a long time to capture the U.S. Government; to use it for purposes of developing a Jewish state. In other words, we had two lobby groups in America who knew little about the area at all, who had certain ideological concepts of society and America. When the people from the fields reported what was unpopular to these groups, they were fired."
"...when the election was coming up in 1946 in New York, the group of New York Jews called upon Mr. Truman. [Alan Taylor, op. cit. p.93] Emmanuel Cellar was the head of this committee. Rabbi Steven Wise and several others were in it. They called upon Mr. Truman and said, ´We have just been talking with Mr. [Tom] Thomas Dewey. He is willing to come out and declare for a Jewish state, and we are going to turn our money and urge the Jews to vote for him unless you beat him to it.´ Then Emmanuel Cellar pounded upon Mr. Truman´s desk and said, ´And if you don´t come out for a Jewish state we´ll run you out of town.´"
"Henry Byroade made a talk in Philadelphia in April 1954. ...In it he made this statement: ´I have some advice for both Arabs and for Jews. Israel should think of itself as a state living in the Middle East and that it must live with its Arab neighbors. The Arabs must cease to think of themselves as wanting to destroy Israel and should come to terms with Israel itself.´ ...The next morning Henry Byroade got a call from Nathan Goldman, who was in California. [Nathan Goldman was president of the World Jewish Congress and many years president of the World Zionist Organization...] He used his first name and said, ´Hank, did you make that speech in Philadelphia that was reported in the papers today?´
"Byroade said, ´Yes, I made that speech.´
"He said, ´We will see to it that you´ll never hold another good position.´"
"The Zionists are organized in 17 (now 31) different committees and groups in America. They are all inter-related by what´s called the Association of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations. These are the presidents of the 31 Zionist organizations. All they have to do is to send in a letter to any one of them and these 31 will reproduce it in mimeograph and send it out to all their organizations. As a result of one letter you´ll get hundreds of replies coming in attacking me. This is the type of constant fear that a Government official lives under because of the mimeograph machine and the xerox machine."
"Mr. Truman himself has the most remarkable of all statements in there, a memo that´s quoted, in which he says, ´Something´s going on and I don´t know what it is. Somebody called up the President of Haiti and he said that it was I. [F.R.U.S., 1947 , Vol. V, p. 1309.] He said, "We want you to vote for the Zionist program." As a result the President of Haiti changed his vote to satisfy what he thought was me. I don´t know who this fellow was that called him up.´
"In other words, somebody impersonated President Truman and threatened the President of Haiti. There were people who used President Truman´s voice and name and he didn´t know who they were. The State Department never found out who they were, but this is the way decisions are made in Washington. I think I know who that fellow was. It was Robert Nathan, because I met Robert Nathan frequently at the U.N. I had met him out in the Middle East, and he was the one who was running to the telephone booth and calling up the President of Liberia, calling up Costa Rica, telling them, "Unless you will vote for our program, we will see to it that the American interhighway system is not built through your country." These people assumed that Nathan and Co. were acting for America and nobody had consulted them at all. This kind of thing went on at the U.N. and in Washington and if you want the documentary proof of it, it´s in Mr. Truman´s statement.
"Before I read this statement of Mr. Truman´s I´ll have to explain what the situation was. There was tremendous pressure upon the governments of other countries to vote for the partition program, which the Zionists had accepted. I was at the U.N. and was Mr. Henderson´s assistant and was there when he read some of these memos. I was reporting back to the State Department what was happening at the U.N.
"There were a number of Jewish Zionists at the U.N., like Robert Nathan, Bernard Baruch, and various other people, who were calling up the chiefs of other states and saying, "Unless you vote for this partition program, the United States will not build a road in your country; will not help you in aid or will not do something else." They were pretending they had the authority of the President of the United States to determine policy, when they were just one individual operating on their own. They had no authority, no official position, but they were using the importance of the United States as a threat against these countries."
"That´s an official document. Somebody represented himself as the President of the United States to some foreign countries. This was the kind of threat that the Zionists used to change votes at that last session when finally it was voted by a small majority of two or three."
"It´s very rare that a country of which no boundaries are known is recognized. There are also other questions: When you recognize a state do you recognize its claims to people outside the state? The Zionists have always claimed that the Jewish nation is wherever a Jew is, anywhere in the world. Every Jew, therefore, is part of this Jewish nation. Golda Meir repeated this when they asked her what the boundaries of Israel are. She said, ´Wherever there´s a Jew, there is Israel. It´s not a line on a map.´"
"´Constantly they kept asking me, "Why does the United States behave this way?" I couldn´t explain it to them.´
"Nobody can explain it, because you´ve got to know how they buy congressional and senatorial votes through speeches; how they control the five electoral states, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, etc. You have to understand the weighting of the Jewish vote in America and the contribution to the party systems. By the time we explained that to Arabs they´d say, ´But aren´t you corrupt?´
The answer is, ´Yes, we´re corrupt.´"
Source: Truman Presidential Library
Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but I figured it fits here.
http://bash.org/GODvsBUSH.gif
No, I don't really believe what this is saying... but I can't pretend the idea of God chasing Republicans with hurricanes doesn't amuse me, either. Ahem.
That's what happens when the Navy and the Airforce play God with their inferior technology. It comes back to bite them in the butt.
and to think I and all the others that intended to bring about a more positive outcome from these hurricanes had anything to do with it.
At GLP and other forums I noticed people actually encouraged other to use their own power, and pray for what is right and just...
I'm glad that others are putting faith in themselves. [;)]
Eh, I'm not so sure about any positive outcomes that may come of this just yet. The most likely outcome I see is for Dubya and Jeb to take this opportunity to play hero, dump a bunch of federal dollars into Florida for reconstruction, and essentially buy that state's vote. I hope I'm wrong, but we shall see.
I'm also not really willing to call the destruction of someone's house or the loss of their life "justice" for a vote they cast four years ago. But, if these hurricanes serve to wake more people up to what's going on around them, then some good may yet come of all this.
Anything is possible.
Russian President Escapes Attempt on His Life
18 September 2004 | 13:13 | FOCUS News Agency
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=137&newsid=48086&ch=0&datte=2004-09-18
Moscow. Russia's President Vladimir Putin escaped an attempt on his life, Italian channel RAI 1 reports. Early this morning the police in Moscow found two car-bombs full with explosives parked on one of the regular routes where his cortege passes every morning on his way to the Kremlin. There were war mines and explosives in the two cars and the police dismantled them successfully.
I wonder if he'll blame this one on the "westerners".
If you still don't beleive he has suspicion of western countries being linked to terrorism, or more, check this out from Cleveland.com posted today.
Terror in Russia raises suspicions about West´s role
Sunday, September 19, 2004
Steve Gutterman
Associated Press
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/109558658028210.xml
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Yep... here's a discussion on it, pretty good information in there as well http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=437040&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=9/20/04&replies=41
Been one of those 14 hour work days....
I didn't know hurricanes were a republican thing. Thought they occured in all administrations -- and all presidents dump federal money into hurricane states, also forest fire areas, flood areas, massive snow storm areas, earthquake areas. They all do it...and cheese for the camera at the same time. If they don't do they get accused of not caring. When they do show up, they get criticized for playing politics with the suffering and loss of people.
As for the rest, maybe we just need a war day and get it all over with at once. Just have a day where anyone can do their worst to anyone they want to and can....and get away with it. After that day, lobotomies for anyone involved in such things.
Better yet, let's get all 190 Premiers, Presidents, Dictators, grand whatevers, in a big stadium armed with anything they can carry. We tell the last guy alive OK You Win....and we can all go home and get on with the business of whatever life we choose to have.
Maybe we could have peace for a day or so. Maybe even a week.
Maybe we could even pay some attention to solving some of the world's problems that plague the ordinary persons in the world.
Have a good week, all.
Here's a soundclip of HAARP that was played at Coast to Coast AM the Art Bell Show.
Win Media
http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wma/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/clips/04/09/091904_what_is_haarp.wma
Real
http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/rm/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/clips/04/09/091904_what_is_haarp.rm
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I've had first hand experience of these frequencies in the astral. I can tell you that these frequencies are related to fear and pain. I'll tell you about one experience I had during a sleep paralysis episode.
....I became aware of myself on my bed. I tried to move but realized that I was stuck in my body and couldn't move out of its boundaries. I relaxed a bit because I wanted to see if I can acheive an OBE. Then, I began to feel eery and afraid because I realized that I could be vulnerable to any outside forces and not be able to do anything about it unless I wake myself up. I decided to stay longer and feel this way to see if I could just 'embrace' this fear. Soon thereafter like 1.5 seconds after I felt intense pain just creeping up on me pulsing with the SAME exact sound frequency that I heard on the first of those HAARP clips. Then a source of the sound frequency seemed to inhabit my body and pulse those sound frequencies from them. They felt like waves of pain and fear and the more I payed attention to it the more it stimulated this pain and the fear just followed. It stayed in my body for some 5 seconds until it reached my upper body when I just decided to wake myself up for fear of losing myself and of it invading or messing up my energy body. Besides all that it was an unpleasant and painful experience.
This happened like 5 months ago.
Not some pretty noises in there. It would really suck having that broadcasted continuously wouldn't it?
So how does it work?
yeh, it was quite painful experience.. at least energetically. I was in astral form, so I suppose when in the physically awake state the astral wouldn't be felt as much. And the astral is supposed to be the "feely" plane where desires and emotional vibes are created from, so of course all emotions I felt were more tangible... but this pain I felt... was just pain. It didn't feel emotional at all. At the source of this sound frequency that inhabited my body it felt like a ball with energetic spikes just ripping at my energy body and churning where it went. I don't think it is frequency that a human being can make. I think it definately originated from a machine and was not of my nature.
Well there are alot of sources on HAARP in the internet, the basics of it are in the soundclip I posted.
Here is one source I just came across which talks about "What the HAARP signal looks and sounds like". It has various information about HAARP. To tell you the truth I did not read it, I already know about what it does and it's effects on consciousness. It has another sound clip of HAARP also.
http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj1203.html
Al-Qaida would back Bush, says UK envoy
The Foreign Office was thrown into turmoil yesterday after the British ambassador to Rome, Sir Ivor Roberts, described President George Bush as "the best recruiting sergeant ever for al-Qaida".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1309097,0.html
This is some eye-opening stuff!
http://www.viewzone.com/haarp33.html
Goes into quite a bit of detail and research. I suggest people who remain doubtful check out this link.
This is getting more and more weird. 50 minutes ago we had a major earthquake in Poland, in city Suwalki it was scale 4.5. I live in town Dabrowa Bialostocka, 70 kilometers from this city, and my whole house was heavily shaking. I've never seen such thing, and in Poland there was no earthquake in at least 1000 years. I was seriously afraid, because my house is built like a bunker, and has 50centimeter thick walls, and I wouldn't be happy to see several tons of bricks falling on my head. Another interesting thing is that about 2 minutes BEFORE the earthquake there was a blackout in whole city.
I forgot to add that there was also a very starnge low frequency sound, something like lighting sound played 10 times slower. I am happy that this earthquake has passed without doing any major damage, ant there is a beautiful rainbow on the sky now
That is definately not normal... keep safe man.
National Witches Days of Prayer
Who?: Witches, Wiccans, Pagans, Druids, Root-Workers, Magickians,
Hoodooist, Conjurors, and Earth-Based Practitioners of all Traditions
We Wish to Invite You to Join Us in the National Witches Days of Prayer.
When: Starting October 31, 2004 through November 2, 2004
What?: "A Rolling Spell" that Spiritualists can participate in. The
spell will be performed on specific days and at specific times a day.
Spiritual Practitioners will choose from seven specific times a day so
that somewhere in the nation Practitioners will be performing spells at
the same time and conjuring energy for the national prayer.
Why?: This is a dark time in our nation´s history. There are forces in
the U.S. that are negatively affecting our civil liberties, peace from
wars, our rights to choose, our rights to vote, the environment of our
Mother Earth, our economic health, our choices in life partners,health
care, foreign relations and diplomacy, education of our children, our
religious choices and so much more. This is a chance for us to make a
difference. As things are going, we may not have another chance.
On August 28th and 29th marches began in New York against the Republican
Convention. We are asking that you join us to begin our own "Spiritual
March" to release the negative forces that are darkening our nation, and
to help us find balance once again. Our goal is to pray for "Divine
Spiritual Guidance" so that we choose "the right person to be President
of the United States" on November 2, 2004. This choice will not only
affect the people of the U.S. but it will also affect the people of the
world. The leader we choose here will also be the world leader. All
nations will depend on the choice that we make in November.
How?: Those who wish to participate in the prayer will start on the
date(s) of their choice between October 31st (Samhain) through November
2nd (Voting Day). Then they can choose the time period that is
convenient for them. They can choose between the seven time periods of:
6:15am; 8:30am;12:30pm; 3:00pm; 7:00pm; 9:00pm or 12:00midnight. This
will allow participants to be in sync with others in prayer and allow
the prayers to be in a continuous "rolling" sequence, time after time
and day after day. Practitioners can participate as often as they wish.
In other words: they may pray multiple times a day, and as many of the
three days that they wish.
Tools to Be Used: The given chant is all that is necessary to
participate. However, any Practical Magick such as: Root-workings,
Circles, Candle-workings(white for hope, green for prosperity, brown for
grounding the nation, gold for success, candles are highly recommended),
rituals, ritual tools of Practitioner´s tradition are welcome. We only
ask that:
1) The spell work is positive.
2) The spell will not be directed toward any specific individual or
group.
3) If a Practitioner truly knows who is best for the country it is not
necessary for a name to be mentioned. Give way to the judgment of the
Divine.
4) Participants will repeat the following chant at least 3 times as a
cohesive binder to make potent all spells casted:
On This Hour We Call Upon The Universal Power
***As Many We Speak in One True Voice
***United We Pray for the Nation´s Choice.
***Earth Rain Fire Wind
***Take Evil From Our Country, Let Peace and Prosperity In.
***Distinguish Between He Who is Man and Mouse
***Only The Best for Our Country May Reign Our Nation´s House.
***So Mote It Be
We sincerely hope that you join us in our first National Witches Days of
Prayer.
quote:
Our goal is to pray for "Divine Spiritual Guidance" so that we choose "the right person to be President of the United States" on November 2, 2004.
They're still missing the point, methinks. [;)]
quote:
Originally posted by Adam
quote:
Our goal is to pray for "Divine Spiritual Guidance" so that we choose "the right person to be President of the United States" on November 2, 2004.
They're still missing the point, methinks. [;)]
[:D][:D] That;s right... chosing between two "evils" never can produce the right person anyway
Couldn't of said it better myself.[:D]
Agreed. [:D]
They should probably be praying for more people to wake up.
Just to keep things in perspective of how cruel our government can be to us..
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/
http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html
After atrocities like this, who could afford to be overly skeptical on issues like the governments involvement in 9/11, to the point where they simply ridicule those that believe there was involvement? It is not something that deserves mockery or biting sarcasm.
Look at the photo of the 2-year old child's remains. As those links will inform you, 12 children under the age of five were killed in the Waco Massacre, and 74 total. Obviously innocent people died. Yet what justice become of it? None, because our system had no justice to offer, and there is really no reason to believe they're any more just today. I think being skeptical at least requires you to be familiar with both sides of an argument. A lot of suspicious occurences have already been noted regarding 9/11 and the government. Maybe we should start to compile some of the evidence and evaluate it here?
Well, you do whatever you want, but I will only be posting latest and most siginificant developments.
Hey did you guy's hear about Haiti?
Jeanne´s death toll in Haiti may reach 2,000
GONAIVES, Haiti (AP) — Workers used dump trucks to empty more than 100 bodies into a 14-foot-deep hole on Wednesday — the first mass grave for the more than 1,070 flood victims of Tropical Storm Jeanne. Bystanders shrieked, held their noses against the stench and demanded that officials collect bodies in waterlogged fields.
The government late Wednesday said up to 1,250 people were still missing and that the death toll could rise to 2,000 people.
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Keep in mind that Jeane was a TROPICAL STORM when it hit Haiti. It makes me wonder about all the cover ups done about the death tolls in the latest cat 3 and cat 4 hurricane events in the US... I definately think there is a cover up. I think the death tolls are close to the number missing, and not the "official body count".
1,250 from a tropical storm? man that's alot of people...
Funny how this next 'incarnation' of Ivan (now a tropical storm) is expected to DIRECTLY hit Crawford Texas on Sunday, exactly where George Bush's ranch is...
Here's the link for the projected path:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics/AT09/refresh/AL0904W5+GIF/231148W5.gif
Wow this article has tons of information on the GWEN Towers, HAARP & Satellite GPS_EMF Control Grid.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/gwen-haarp-satellite-gps-emf-control-grid.htm
Its really detailed and explicit.
quote:
Well, you do whatever you want, but I will only be posting latest and most siginificant developments.
Might be a good idea to make another topic, if anybody else is interested in the idea.
quote:
Funny how this next 'incarnation' of Ivan (now a tropical storm) is expected to DIRECTLY hit Crawford Texas on Sunday, exactly where George Bush's ranch is...
Well I'll be damned... and I was *kidding* about the hammer of God smiting Republicans.
I'll tell the other three horsemen we're on in five.
You know, I understand most peoples hesitation concerning current trends of activity leaning to prophetic outcomes, but I dont understand why nobody outwordly is talking or discussing whether all these things happening; hurricanes/ floods/earthquakes/tornadoes, the wars, terrorism, political upheaval, economic degredation in the midst of global currency becoming a very real thing, signs of all kinds sometimes in our faces, sometimes just beneath the surface, global communication/information boom, recent religious queries and findings leading to deeper contemplation, are in fact signs of a coming apocaplypse.
Im sure most people living on the draft of the wind of change can see and smell it, but so many seem to either be denying these things have any meaning, or are just blind to them.
Theres nobody outthere (at least so far as I have heard) on the news or in the newspapers or magazines, asking people or just talking about the subject whether it is possible or not.
I mean, shouldnt it be one of the most obvious of topics?
We are living in a current midstream of time where these things are thought to be taking place and in my point of view, and I know many of you as well, they are!!
Its hard to deny whats happening, and I understand most people are just trying to deal with the situations as they come, but I guess I am just waiting for CNN headline news to switch from a broadcast and the newscaster asks, "Are we nearing the endtimes? Mr. Phil Patterson of Ohio has some interesting words to say on that, when we come back."
Sorry, its early for me and Im wandering in my head right now.
Yea, talk about the apocalypse has been left now for 'the fringe'.
I say in about a week or 2 I'll know exactly what position I'm in reguarding the Zhedhi Order and their works.
September has been all about getting prepared, in October excrement is *really* going to hit the fan and the people will begin to know it.
And there'd probably be leaks of info of upcoming events from now till October which I may run across...but I see things are really picking up. I wish it could all happen, in a day or something so there won't be that much waiting but well.. time is time, and there's nothing I can do about it but alter my perception of it.
Wait and see my freinds sooner or later excrement will definately be obvious. :)
Aileron, I think you are on to something. I have begun to think the chaos in the weather is a reflection of the chaos within mankind right now. Violent emotions leading to violent weather sort of thing. I have not kept up with worldwide weather conditions too much except that I am aware of some extreme flooding in non-hurricane areas.
Oddly enough, the midwestern USA has had a rare, very mild summer and early fall. Winter could be something else again.
I also notice a huge change in my current crop of 17 year old students from previous years. 450 seniors in my school and the whole staff agrees that we can't remember seeing such a large group of kids without the usual problems and behaviors seen in an inner city school. They are a very sweet bunch and surprisingly optimistic. There is something undefinable that is very right about them.
They are much more self-aware and sure of who they are. I wonder if this isn't the first of the Indigo Children passing through my school. Except for the fact that I have also seen this year's freshman class which seems about as wild as 500 kids can get. Maybe that is just puberty and they will start showing some of the same awareness in a year or so.
I see the same thing in my 5 year old cousin. He doesn't say much, but you look in his eyes and its like you can see the whole universe there. Something is definitely going on and at a very deep level.
I am hoping that something is a wonderful change in human consciousness. We certainly need it.
Oh yea, and the asteroid "Toutatis" will be making a very close approach next week, and it will be seen through telescopes. The path is 'unpredictable' to some scientists, and I dunno, there HAVE been leaks of supposed true information reguarding toutatis that it will actually come alot closer than what NASA has said. If it does, it can cause a 'panic'. There have been excercises being done by the US military called "Orbit Comet" since the year 2001 and twice every year since.
GEE WONDER WHY??
I wonder if Bush knows the exact place toutatis is going? Maybe it won't impact but cause enough concern for BUSH and NASA, being that Toutatis is allegedly so unpredictable to consider declaring martial law or drastically picking up safety measures.
Remember the October Surprise they have been talking about on picking up security measures 'drastically' starting on October 1st on to the elections? Well thats just next week as well.
[:O][:O][:O].....[:D][8)]
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TOUTATIS -THE EAGLE OF THE TOLTECS.
See its shape - the Eagle, the Tyrant of the Toltecs.
Some will enter Devolution as it takes them to Times consonant with their evolution.
Circe.
Jenadots: I can relate totally. I have noticed that the people I encounter are now more 'aware' than the people I used to encounter, but then again, my perception does also tend to influence the joint unconscious of those around me.
Like for instance when I try to think of them as 'aware' or as conscious as I am, and I set that vibe and everything like that IS what is and afterwards the people I encounter tend to try and match that vibe as much as they do.
HYPERDIMENSIONAL HURRICANES
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm
Great article!
BTW wtf is up with Ivan coming back for more and now going to hit texas. I saw 2 different paths for Ivan and some showed it backtracking and going back into the Gulf from the US, while others showed it making a turn and going over Florida and then go back into the gulf to go where it's headed at now.
And Jeane? whats up with that loop that it did eh? And now it's doing a "Frances" just going west and not turning up yet. Jeane stalled out in the Atlantic for days just "decided" where to move next and moving so slowly to the point of standstill , before decided to go directly west toward Florida where its going now.
Weird eh?
PROBLEMS WITH SITE: HACKED? Well, who is to say? But ALL subscriber names/passwords were removed early this morning. We just became aware of the situation at about 8:00 AM. We are currently dealing with re-entering as Earthlink does not provide a timely back up recovery system for the access file. This will take several hours perhaps as many as 4 or so as the interface for adding this information is pretty lame and slow. My apologies to subscribers.
www.halfpasthuman.com
Half Past Hacked: Web Bots Watching Iraq, Africa
Censorship is a dangerous thing. We note with interest that our web bot colleague´s site at www.halfpasthuman.com was hacked today. The subscribers list was destroyed - and interesting development because even webmasters don´t have access to the high level domain where access files live. His ISP is Earthlink for the HPH site.
The hack attack has us looking at the latest web bot run to figure out what´s in it that the PTB would just as soon people don´t know about. Here are some tidbits:
In the "Iraq Entity"
"The Iraq entity has a curious supporting base of [humility] as an aspect descriptor. This word is one of a small set of emotively high-value and long-impact, but low-intensity/low immediacy words. In this case, the attributes and cross linked aspects suggest that [humility] is being used not as a descriptor for the entity but rather for a movement/person within the entity. Further, this begins a series of linked aspects hanging off the [humility] lexical arm which are all focused on the month of October. These are all short term impacting lexical shifts which taken together suggest the time frame.
Within this lexical structure we find that it is
(advantageous/successful) to (attack) [with force/in numbers] even
though [great damage] (be done/will occur/shall happen/is
predictable) for (one´s own/ownership/possession)
[cities/houses/country/realm]. Apparently even though the
[mud/brick] of (one´s) [house] be (crushed) by [the feet of
neighbors/army], it will be/is being perceived as a positive thing
locally within the Iraq entity."
A new entity: Africa: Decay Low on the Mountain has emerged. But we have no idea what:
"Specifically, we find that most of the geographic
references are for [south] and [coast/coastal/estuarine]. The entity
arises as a result of change. Within this change we find that
[one/man/person/personality/motivator] (rouses/encourages/raises)
the [people/populace/masses] to [set right/repair/correct] the
[injustices/sins] of the past. That the [populace/masses] will
(march/walk/proceed) toward the [low hills] just [before/outside] the
[area/control] of the [mountain]. There they will
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Yea, talk about the apocalypse has been left now for 'the fringe'.
In some ways though, I'm not entirely sure that's such a bad thing. Reason being, any mention of an apocolypse within the mainstream is going to validate the beliefs of several million Christian fundamentalists, and at that point there's no telling what they'd do. All I know is that the Left Behind books are bestsellers for a reason -- they play on this group of people's deepest fears and deeply held religious beliefs. If you light off that powder keg, we're going to have a lot of really panicked and not entirely rational people on our hands, on top of what ever *else* happens in the coming months.
I think a friend of my brother's is a pretty good (and rather disturbing) example of the average person I'm thinking of. Not long ago I had a conversation with him when he asked me what I thought about Revelation and the apocolypse. I gave him a bit of my thoughts on it, and then he gave me his: "I can't wait to grab the sword of the first angel who falls, and start kicking butt." These people really do relish the thought of their God coming down to kill all the evil-doers and delivering them from this "evil" society. Just give them an excuse to think that it's on, and I bet many will start trying to accomplish "God's work" -- and suddenly Muslim extremists won't be the only terrorists we'll have to worry about.
For my part, I know that the word "apocolypse" literally means "revealing," or "unveiling," and I believe that's exactly what's going to happen, possibly sooner than later. The problem lies in how to get the word out to a large number of people (because I do believe everyone should have at least a *chance* to know the truth) without throwing mass amounts of already jittery people into a panic.
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I say in about a week or 2 I'll know exactly what position I'm in reguarding the Zhedhi Order and their works.
What leads you to believe this? When I was emailing Oazaki a while back it was about some unrelated stuff, but I also asked him how things were going on the Zhedhi front, and he didn't answer that part. As of now, I believe he's a pretty intelligent guy with possibly a good amount of knowledge of human nature and esoteric matters... but that's about as far as the evidence I've seen can take me at this point. If he's wrong about his more dramatic predictions, then I'd probably say he was someone who aimed high and honestly gave his best shot to bringing these things about, but didn't end up being able to pull it off. The other option is deliberate deception, but he doesn't come off that way to me, so that's my take on it.
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September has been all about getting prepared, in October excrement is *really* going to hit the fan and the people will begin to know it.
Yeah, I just hope the aforementioned feces doesn't involve "the big one" finally hitting my state. And if it does, I hope I survive it. I rather like my position of possibly being alive at the right time to have a front seat view of the apocolypse, and I'd like to keep it that way. It'd really suck to get squished outta here before the *real* fun begins. [:P]
Though I agree in some ways, and even understand why certain issues wouldnt be brought up for certain reasons, I cant understand why many mainstream means of communication havent even considered it though. Not all are concerned with how the public reacts, but rather ratings, even in such a dismal point at whence society begins to crumble, I still see newscasters and journalists and reporters trying their best to get or reveal the info thatll get'em that award or maybe that promotion or is just in the nature to keep pushing.
Im not stereotyping every mainstream, Im just saying many are like this. CBS I think is the only real time, such length has been strived to regain public image of the station. I dont even think its a big deal that Dan Rather reported on something that wasnt real. As long as he comes on and admits that, all is good, he and the entire company didnt need to make an issue of it and pull into question whether Rather will still report.
Getting distracted, sorry. Im just surprised.
I also think that many, although your right, there will be the edges that are crossed because of such a confirmation, will take it in stride.
Today I asked my client, who is a quadrapalegic, what he thinks of all these things happening. He said very non-chalant, "I think its the end of the world. T's pretty obvious."
He's a smart guy and doesnt seem to be very affected by the issue we discussed, its just what it is.
What I guess is that most people dont want to confirm such a thing. I mean, it is an issue that is "supposed" to affect the entire world to such an extent, that many will die, and that a majority of people would refuse it to the end, even when in the midst of it.
To me apocalypse also means "unvealing" or "revealing" and has for a long time, but I dont just associate that with every living soul awakening on a bright sunny day or without cataclysmic events occuring and no lives lost.
Basically to me it just represents the "biblical" end times occuring by means of certain events though not as key "biblical" meaning behind them all, leading to a rather different end result than those being saved by Jesus, and God, but more a representation of mankind facing itself and only a certain amount of people coming out fully aware of human heritage and meaning in the universe, as well as full human potential.
I guess I just see all the prophecies in the worlds history about these certain times as being the "end times" as just an outline of what is to come, not to be taken literally, at least not without justification.
Damn, I just want someone who is in a high up position to verify that this is what they think.
Here is a question. If Bush is such a straightshootin christian, wouldnt he believe that all these events in the time we are in, are the signs of the "biblical apocalypse, and if so, wouldnt that mean that he is fully aware of his actions from these moments, and what could occur from them? Wouldnt he be aware that he is almost creating an antichrist like persona?
Hmmmmm.....
And what if the October Surprise is: Life goes on.
Or it might just be that due to the hurricane damages, no one will be able to vote in the election in Florida. And considering the problems they had putting little holes in cards last time, that might not necessarily be a bad thing. [;)]
Besides, all really crooked elections belong up here in Chicago where we vote early and often, and then our dead relatives get to vote too. Chicago needs to reclaim its reputation as the election stealing capital of the country. Illinois has been feeling ignored.....boo-hoo.[:(]
The surprise may be no surprise. At this point anything that does happen will be called "The October Surprise" and attributed to some big conspiracy by the anonymous "they" - whomever "they" are supposed to be.
I wouldn't be too eager to see the end of the world order or life as we know it or the chaos and mayhem that would result from that kind of collapse. It may sound all romantic and heroic and just and fair....but just look at the places in the world where such collapses have occurred. Not a pretty sight and not easy to survive. Panic and the brutality that comes from desperation becomes the order of the day. And who among us can honestly say, in their deepest of hearts, that we would not be as savage as the next person in fighting for food and water and whatever it takes to survive?
I hope that no one here becomes so obsessed with what disasters and "surprises" might come tomorrow that anyone forgets the beauty of today and the life's breath that is within in each moment of today.
Peace....JD
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And what if the October Surprise is: Life goes on.
Y'know, as often as you try to downplay the idea that something rather significant and unusual may indeed be going on in the world, I think you have an inkling that there might be something to all this after all. Otherwise, what interest would you have in posting regularly in this and all related threads? On the other hand, I think that even most of us who think there might be, also allow for the possibility that there *won't* be any huge event, transition, apocolypse, whatever, in the near future. At the most basic level we're all pretty similar -- regular people living in turbulent and potentially dangerous times, where the future is uncertain. We're all looking for answers, and we'd all like some way to assure ourselves that everything is going to be okay. No offense intended; just some observations on my part.
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I wouldn't be too eager to see the end of the world order or life as we know it or the chaos and mayhem that would result from that kind of collapse. It may sound all romantic and heroic and just and fair....but just look at the places in the world where such collapses have occurred. Not a pretty sight and not easy to survive. Panic and the brutality that comes from desperation becomes the order of the day. And who among us can honestly say, in their deepest of hearts, that we would not be as savage as the next person in fighting for food and water and whatever it takes to survive?
Don't get me wrong, I don't exactly delight in the idea of widespread death and destruction myself. However, if we look at it another way, the system by which the world is being run is *already* causing widespread death and destruction on an unprecedented scale. As history has taught us, it often does take some sort of major upheaval to shake "the powers that be" from their foundations, and yes, there are usually casualties... but how many more casualties and how much more suffering would there be if those powers were allowed to continue on? From that perspective, I'd say that a relatively short period of cataclysm with a light at the end of the tunnel is preferable to an indefinite period of darkness and oppression. Lest I be considered hypocritical, I'll also say that if I knew such a time was coming, but that my own life would have to be lost in the transition to a better future, I would be more than willing to give it up, especially considering how transitory human life is to begin with. The only thing that *really* bothers me at this point is not death, but rather the uncertainty of it all.
That said, if it came down to a fight for survival, I don't think any of us could say for sure what we'd do. All I can say is that if it comes down to that, I hope I'm at a point in my spiritual development where I have the strength and resolve to stay true to my ideals regardless of what may come. I would personally rather give away that last bit of food and water and face death, rather than being reduced to fighting my fellow human beings to the death like an animal for scraps... but of course it's easy to say that *now.*
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I hope that no one here becomes so obsessed with what disasters and "surprises" might come tomorrow that anyone forgets the beauty of today and the life's breath that is within in each moment of today.
Good thoughts.
agreed[|)]
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Palehorse wrote: What leads you to believe this?
Too many experiences to explain in detail, but it's a lot more obvious to me that there are significant Earth changes going on. And I think it will get alot more obvious to the whole world as time progresses.
hey, aren't we US folks supposed to be in a panickstricken fear of an imminent terrorist attack on the US grounds until November 2nd? [B)]
Well I mean, I know about the earth changes... I meant about Oazaki specifically. What leads you to believe he is indeed He-Man, Master of the Universe (tm), much less that you are personally involved in his grand design?
All jokes aside, I'm just still waiting to see any real indication that he is or isn't anything he claims to be, so I can finally get off this damn fence. [:P]
Palehorse, it is not that I don't think something is happening....I do. But then, something is always happening.
It is just that I don't think it is the end of all life or some great punishment for our collective sins or some black hole of something or some alien enemies to wipe us all out.
Change comes as a part of the universal cycle of life. Perhaps we are at the doorstep of an evolutionary leap -- and will experience some birthing pains.
My own "sense" of it, if you will has been that the planet is becoming more astral which can be good or bad depending on your view or experiences of the astral. I could be completely off base on that as I am not as intuned with these things as I would like to be.
Also, I think that the more people dwell or create disasterous scenarios, the more "reality" those scenarios get -- and can quickly manifest into the real thing.
Earth changes seem to me to be a cleansing process. Parts of the planet that need renewal may just shift as other parts that have been lying dormant may rise. Melting ice caps in the Antartica do cover a continent - an area of the world that has been dormant.
Peace....
I beleive that Oazaki has great power and enough skill to do what he said he has done. IF he really is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords.. well then that is what is, but right now I think I'd need more proof to realize that he is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords.
I do play a role in the 'grand design'. I think the Earth changes wouldn't have gone to extent that it has without my nature and purpose in it's proper places, but I can say the same for you, or Jenadots, or that cat I met 3 years ago.
...[:D]
Harmonic Concordance ll
Do you remember the Harmonic Concordance of November 8/9 2003? It was an exciting time for millions of people all over our beloved planet. Concordance Celebrations were held in Moscow, Maylasia, Alaska and Tierra del Fuego, and everywhere in between, at the time of that Total Lunar Eclipse. Now there is another set of dynamic astrological patterns that are coming our way. If you gave credence to the original Concordance, you might well be interested in these new astrological indications.
This October, there will appear, in sequence:
* A Grand Quintile (Star/Pentagram) pattern,
* A solar eclipse,
* A Total Lunar Eclipse and
* A second Grand Quintile pattern,
all within the span of 28 days. Astrologer, Jill Whitman, has told us that such an extra-ordinary sequence has not happened during the 2,500 years that she has researched extensively. It is a rare planetary performance. Of further interest is that the two Grand Quintiles and Total Lunar Eclipse are astrologically related to the Grand Sextile and Total Lunar Eclipse of the Harmonic Concordance chart.
A brief explication of the astrology of these October charts may be found at http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/newsite/AstrologicalMusings--Quintiles.htm
This period of time looks, and feels, to many - to be a very important one. This can readily be seen in the current discourse within the Spiritual Community. More of us each day, from across the Spiritual spectrum, have been coming to an awareness of ourselves as One Body. The collective imagination seems to be poised on the edge of creating a shift in consciousness to a new level of recognizable awareness.
The original Harmonic Concordance was a call to the Conscious Community to gather together, in one moment of time, to focus the collective imagination on Unity, a Healing for Mother Earth, and the continued awakening of our own Self-Aware God Consciousness. To a significant extent that moment became a rallying point to which many sojourners on the Spiritual path now relate. Now the new astrology points to another high water mark on that journey, with the added attendance of the Divine Feminine Presence.*
Coming together in Community once again can only improve the chances for us to make these changes as a collective Body. Thus we invite that Community to take advantage of this moment. Read in astrology's universal metaphors of time, it presents us with another opportunity to join in consciousness with all others who would enter the ONE Heart, in either an individual and/or community ceremonial observation at the Total Lunar Eclipse of October 27th/28th.
Jan and Johnny Mirehiel
Global events are posted at the following link, you may add yours if you are planning an event.
http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/NewSite/Observances-X.htm
Planetary Awakening Network
www.planetawake.org
contact Maggie Erotokritou
surya@spidernet.com.cy
On top of that we got the triple conjunction of mercury, mars, and jupiter beginning on sept. 29-30.
It is a rare conjunction, happens every 1,000 years or so.
Someone at GLP pointed this out:
A conjunction of these three planets historically means that Jupiter sends Mercury as a messenger to Mars to begin a war.
Mercury is derived from its association with the Roman god of trade and travel, the "messenger of gods".
Mars is the Roman god of war.
Jupiter is the supreme god of the Roman pantheon, called dies pater, "shining father". He is a god of light and sky, and protector of the state and its laws.
I don't know much about astrology (if anything) but here's something interesting someone else pointed out to me: check out this link http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds16.html. Now check out the section on the Nimrud Dag artifact.
So this conjunction reminds of planet Erectheus.
September 29th is also the day of Michaelmas, which is the feast of Archangel Michael, the angel of judgement. Archangel Michael was also the messenger who warned Lot to flee from the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Michaelmas
September 29, the feast of St. Michael and All Angels or Michaelmas fell about the time of the autumnal equinox. The equinox marked the period when the nights would be getting longer and the earth would begin to die. St. Michael came to be seen as the protector against the forces of the dark and so became very popular in the Middle Ages. Many monasteries and churches were dedicated to him, usually on high places near the sea.
http://mw.mcmaster.ca/scriptorium/alice_site/michaelmas_more_end.html
Interesting eh? [;)]
The 9/11 Whistleblowers
For the first time in one place, a comprehensive collection of interviews with and information on those who have spoken out on how the globalist cabal within the government was COMPLICIT in the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/230904_whistleblowers.html
anyone need assurance, check THAT out.
Palehorse, I would suggest you get off the fence anyway, its no use to wait out reasoning or proof of someone who claims anything of Oazaki or others likemindedness.
If someone makes those claims, the only thing to really proove or disproove it is time, so the longer you straddle, the more youll chaff[;)]
I do think we all play in important role in this, I mean, we wouldnt be alive today if we didnt.
Important roles dont always mean gun toting hero's or savior of the spiritual connection or leader of the new world or even the person who gives up their meal to the person next to them.
It can mean anything, from the tiniest mote of existence such as the African cave dwelling spider to the President of the United States.
Everything has cause and effect....and our species creates some of the strongest currents in the universe.
Now is the time to do what you can though to make your current much more dense, and embracing.
I dont think people should make huge changes or anything like trashing all their possessions and moving to Ethiopia to wait out the big disaster, but we should begin to become more aware and sensitive to each others needs and the words we tell each other.
Something is happening. Changes have happened and so have cataclysms, and we are in the midst of something grand. I have no doubt of that.
Time to retrain the gears.
"We wasted life, why wouldnt we waste the afterlife?"
Welp.. Toutatis is already off course. Take a look at this snippet of an article from space.com (a NASA website btw):
While some rumors have suggested the asteroid's forecasted course might be off by enough to cause a collision with Earth, Sherrod agrees with Harris and other scientists that there is no chance for calamity. Sherrod has been monitoring Toutatis' movement since July 3, logging more than 500 observations that allow mapping of a precise trajectory.
"Although the actual path of it has indeed varied a slight bit from the original calculated, there is absolutely no chance of a physical encounter or impact with Earth," he said.
full article: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/toutatis_flyby_040927.html
Yep...and there was a prophecy about this from Billy Meier, who was revealed to him by a race of beings known as the Plejaren (or Pleiadians). Here's that short article:
11-April-2004: Michael Horn Explains Billy Meier's Warning of a Catastrophic Impact Event Threat
Michael Horn is the Authorized American Media Representative for the Billy Meier Contacts. Meier has had over 250 contact events with a race known to him as the Plejarens. In 1978 they gave Meir a 2-part prophecy about Asteroid 4179 Toutatis. First, it would be discovered French astronomers in 1989, which in fact happened. However, the 2nd part of the prophecy is ominous.
On September 29, 2004, this rogue asteroid will come within a "safe" distance of 4 lunar distances of Earth according to NASA. However, according to the Plejarens, it will threaten the Earth and will require a preemptive nuclear strike to keep its multi-kilometer breadth from slamming into our planet. In this interview, Marshall and Michael will discus this and several other stunning Plejaren prophecies.
link: http://archives.zinester.com/40491/15876.html
Yes, the astrological line-ups for the rest of this year and 2005 are extraordinary. Much depends on where the points of the pentagram are as well as the other aspects...in earth, fire, air or water signs.
And often, the effects are not all that swift -- the influences of such aspects may take years to fully develop or be understood.
Also, the Archangel Micheal is known as the Great Healer. Perhaps it will be first a cleansing and then a healing. Both things much needed by all living things and the planet itself.
Should be interesting. I look forward to 2005 as for me, my chart shows I will finally get out from under some very very intense & difficult aspects...I am hoping things will start to ease up next summer.
So I am planning to be around. Hope you all are too.
Wish you could all come to my Senior Literary Seminar in October on Great Journeys and The Alchemist which all the seniors in my school are reading right now. Its about choices, and Warriors of Light, and the great journey of life. Great Journeys is our semester theme. We started with The Epic of Gilgamesh, will move next to Dante's Inferno, Candide, A Farewell to Arms, and Mandela's Long Walk to Freedom.
So, no matter what happens, do enjoy the Journey. [;)]
JD
Oh goodie, here we go.
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PARKFIELD, California (AP) -- An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 5.9 struck central California on Tuesday and was felt as far north as San Francisco and Sacramento, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
An aftershock of 5.0 magnitude struck four minutes later.
Police said there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries.
In nearby Redwood City, the quake delayed the murder trial of Scott Peterson after a juror reported feeling the tremors.
Thousands of people from throughout the state reported feeling the quake.
"It rattled everything hanging on the walls and the chandelier was swinging. It didn't do any damage to our house. There were two shakers, one right after the other," said Ben Brown, who lives in Paso Robles.
The earthquake, which struck at 10:15 a.m. (1715 GMT) was centered 9 miles (14 kilometers) south of Parkfield and 17 miles (27 kilometers) north east of Paso Robles, scene of an earthquake that killed two people in December 2003.
Parkfield, located on the San Andreas fault, is known as the earthquake capital of California.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/28/california.quake.ap/index.html
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This is nowhere near me and we didn't feel anything here... but damn, I had to open my big mouth. :X
Just happened to notice a similar article in my paper, and thought it'd be of interest...
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Scientists watching unusual events near volcano
Series of earthquakes could signal eruption of Mount St. Helens
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 Posted: 3:45 AM EDT (0745 GMT)
VANCOUVER, Washington (CNN) -- A series of unusual earthquakes near Mount St. Helens in recent days has scientists warning that something more serious could be imminent.
The "hazardous event" the U.S. Geological Survey warns is possible could be an explosion caused by steam building up inside the volcano, or it could be more serious -- involving molten rock and deadly gas.
The quakes are occurring less than a mile below the surface of an 876-foot-tall lava dome within Mount St. Helens' crater. Some of them are of a type that indicates the presence of pressurized fluids or magma, the USGS and the University of Washington Pacific Northwest Seismograph Network in Seattle said Monday in a joint statement.
"We're still thinking it's not likely to be anything real big," said Tom Pierson, a USGS research scientist at the Cascades Volcano Observatory in Vancouver. "We're not real worried. [The seismic activity is] very interesting to us because it's unusual."
A group of very small, shallow earthquakes, called a "swarm" by seismologists, began Thursday morning and peaked about midday Friday, Pierson said, then slowly declined through Sunday morning. Those quakes were all less than magnitude 1.0.
But since then, more than 10 earthquakes with a magnitude between 2.0 and 2.8 have been recorded, according to the notice issued Monday.
"They're all pretty small magnitude," Pierson said. "Maybe that largest one, you might feel if you were pretty close by."
Still, that's the most earthquakes recorded in a 24-hour period since October 1986, when Mount St. Helens had a minor eruption that added to the lava dome that began forming after the catastrophic eruption of May 18, 1980. That eruption blew out the side of the mountain, killing 57 people and deforesting 230 square miles.
In the fall, quakes in the area are common, Pierson said, as rainwater seeps into the ground and turns into steam when it reaches the lava below ground. With no outlet, the steam can build up until a small explosion occurs, he said.
"That, we feel is the most probable thing that could happen, if anything happens," he said. "Could be this thing would just shake for awhile."
Such an explosion could send rocks flying into the air in the area of the crater and the outer flanks of the volcano, Pierson said.
Yet scientists cannot rule out the possibility of a more serious eruption, he said. An aircraft will soon fly over the lava dome to test for the presence of carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide, signs that magma might be building up.
Similar earthquake swarms were recorded in 1998 and 2001, but no explosion occurred in either year, Pierson said.
The U.S. Forest Service, which manages the park on Mount St. Helens, has closed areas around the crater and the volcano's outer flanks to hikers.
Two small trails across the north side of the mountain have also been closed, and hikers are not being issued permits, Ranger Todd Cullens said. Hikers and climbers are still allowed on trails below 4,800 feet, he said, and tours are continuing.
Mount St. Helens is about 55 miles northeast of Portland, Oregon.
CNN's Kimberly Osias contributed to this report.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/09/27/mount.st.helens/index.html
Alright....more and more we fall within the cracks of the obvious signs of something that might have been fortold!
Oh, and just in case it was never mentioned, though it probably was, Toutatis, though not impacting with the earth, was named after the Celtic God of War....mighty good sign of things to come eh?
So, we got potential volcanoes, stronger earthquakes, deathtolls rising from hurricanes, economic downfall of certain states within the US, hard hitting storms/hurricanes, wars, terrorism, tornadoes, more common display of mental instabilities all around, more people donating(thought Id throw that one in) to charities, mass communication opening up like the vault of Al Capone, plagues, viruses, and a heavy cross falling on top of a woman, this was in my newspaper last week.
It seems to me, whether I am in this alcocholic stupor or not, that we are in the most beautiful moment of our lives.
My own opinion defering to the most oppressive and dynamically dangerous times one might live in, being the most lived in as humans can live.
We find reality to be so much brighter, even in the bleakest of moments.
So let us praise our livelihoods and each breath we take in, for it may be our last, but if it isnt, well then, perhaps we'll help the person next to us live on into the next day or further.
Im falling further and further into both my mind and imagination. I hope the best comes from the worst, I really really do. Because this planet is about to become so much more, so very quickly.
I can attest to these current months as only the beginning in our march towards our new line of perceptions, and though it may slow in curve for a little while, do not think for a minute that we are saved from disaster, both natural and manmade.
These are the years of the trials....
live on good brothers and sisters and take heart in knowing that the universe will only look so much more grand afterwards...
Apparently this is what has got people worried about Toutatis....
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-RTO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0002/20040927/1512475209.htm&photoid=20040927WAS02D&maxphotos=2&phototerm=asteroid
Tomorrow (29th) at around noon central it is scheduled to transit at it´s closest.
Insiders say that the pass will be unpredictably close due to the tolerance/margins for error being 1 million miles and the miss distance being "within 960,000 miles".
Unofficial researchers are making a connection between the recent development of the 2 quakes per minute under Mt. St. Helen´s and the fact that on the day of the famous 1981 Mt. St. Helen´s eruption there was a similar close shave by an asteroid.
Some are speculating the orbital capture of this rock to fulfill a "7 times circling-- then impacting" prophesy (M. Shipton) similar to the Jupiter Shoemaker-Levy impact deal...
In any case the thing will be coming in like merging traffic from behind us and passing under. (chart:)
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=4179+Toutatis
People have evidently had recurring dreams of such an object from below getting caught up gravitationally as it was passing under Earth and the swinging up and precipitating a huge eruptive explosion in the Pacific Northwest. Some had thought that this was an indication the this was possibly the Yellowstone dormant supervolcano that has recently been boiling up local lakes-- and all the sudden Mt. St. Helen´s is waking up out of nowhere...
...an eclectic fringe website that gets 80 - 100,000 hits a day called "Godlike Productions Forum" where anything goes due to the ability to post anonomously-- had this posting and then mysteriously disappeared completely from the web-- apparently shut down by authorities? (Recently it has been just as mysteriously returned to the web w/ no satisfactory explanations... despite thousands of people trying to solve the mystery)
From GLP:
Quote:
"JPL whistle blower comes clean on impact
Townshend
9/27/2004
3:32 pm EDT JPL whistle blower comes clean on impact
I work for/with JPL scientist Dr. S**n O***o. (For those who want to search, and some anonymity for now) We have known for three years about the impending impact. There have been several clues we have deliberately released to the masses. I am familiar with Aussie Bloke, but I don´t think he is with us. All of our calculations to date that are published on public sites are slightly wrong due to the "mysterious gravitational tug "that our space probes are experiencing. After this constant was calculated into previous tracks, the error was found by our Arecibo and Goldstone radar.
The ´powers´ have used this to gain time. Our calculations (we hope) show
this not to be an extinction level event. The impact will be substantial in
power,but luckily it will hit in deep water. We believe that water vapor injected high into the atmosphere will cause the most damage and dread for humanity.
Our models show that ice as heavy as 100 kilos could fall halfway around the globe. The biggest damage we think will be economic chaos and starvation due to governmental shutdown. We don´t know how long this will last.The reason for our military maneuvers at sea will be to engage any rogue nations that who may take advantage of the situation. I will answer questions posed sometime this evening.
I do want to wish all of Earths people luck in the coming days and I don´t give a damn any more about keeping quiet.
With Love, Towns. "
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=Toutatis
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yea I know it's all cut and paste from GLP, but it's much easier that way.
People on surfingtheapocalypse also noted some other posts made yesterday about the toutatis issue, and also showed some concern over GLP going down for unknown reasons (as of yet) after these info's were posted. It's back up now though and has been as of now for about an hour and a half.
Although I don't think this asteroid will impact the earth, if not just yet, my main 'concern' is about the days AFTER this asteroid makes its close approach and the symbolic energies that may express as a result.
We also got Mt St Helens about to blow and also the world´s largest volcano, Mauna Loa in Hawaii. There's also been rumblin going on in California. Surely, signs keep piling up.
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2359518
Getting back to GLP someone also mentioned that in the Olympic begining ceremony when that big fireball went down and hit the big lake in the middle, there was symbolic mention of Toutatis noting that a Centaur was closeby and another.. symbolic thingy (I forget). He said it meant that Toutatis will appear closeby where Centaurus was. And well, according to Reuters "At close approach, Toutatis will be in front of the stars of the southern constellation Centaurus." You can find this article on the net using google if you'd want to see it.
I know, it's alot of sh*t, alot to discredit if all are wrong as well. So many different scenarios.
Of course this could also be just a carefully planned and executed psyops that has been in the making by the powers that think they be for... a very long time... and to fuel their next big 'terror' event on humanity.
In any case though be safe, if you will. [;)]
and here's what CNN had to say about Toutatis and their disclosure of the margin of error...:
"...The position of the asteroid on this pass is known to a precision roughly equal to the rock's size, said Alan Harris, a senior research scientist at the Space Science Institute. That leaves a little wiggle room for its exact location at closest approach, but not much.
"Because of the nature of the orbit, we cannot predict thousands of years into the future for this object, but in anyone's lifetime now, there is no chance" of an impact, Harris said....
Instead of a fixed north pole, Toutatis' axis of rotation wanders in two separate cycles of 5.4 and 7.3 Earth-days. So while most asteroids rotate somewhat like a football thrown in a perfect spiral, "Toutatis tumbles like a flubbed pass," says Scott Hudson of Washington State University.
Astronomers will use this week's flyby to examine Toutatis in greater detail, with a goal of pinning down the rock's rate of spin and better estimating its future path.
While some rumors have suggested the asteroid's forecasted course might be off by enough to cause a collision with Earth, Sherrod agrees with Harris and other scientists that there is no chance for calamity. Sherrod has been monitoring Toutatis' movement since July 3, logging more than 500 observations that allow mapping of a precise trajectory.
"Although the actual path of it has indeed varied a slight bit from the original calculated, there is absolutely no chance of a physical encounter or impact with Earth," he said."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/28/asteriod.fly/index.html
Thursday
1:15 PM CDT Bulletin: Another Web Bot Direct Hit - We own the future
As Predicted on 8/31: Cal Quakes, Court Evac
California earthquake today - what we think will be the first of two events according to the web bot report we posted early this month - and we were two weeks early on - had exactly the impact we foresaw. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2004/09/28/state1335EDT7511.DTL Namely, the coverage on CNN announcing that the Scott Peterson trial was being posted (our court evacuation forecast) (CNN link) (story) and the references on checking the safety of inmates as a California prison four miles from the epicenter. Now, here's what we forecast for a 30 day window on August 31:
InnerTension (California)
An entity arose with the unusual aspect of a clearly defined geographic reference for California. This entity is replete with language indicating both [tension](inner) and [tension](released). Obviously the interpretation must be for an earthquake in California of some serious magnitude within this period of the first two weeks of September. The entity lexical levels would indicate that the (release) of the (inner)[tension/conflict/obstruction] will (affect/impact)[all/everyone].
Please note that predictions of earthquakes by a number of persons earlier in the year may be leading to the resurgence now of language which would indicate the earthquake within our model. In other words, since people are anticipating such a quake, they are discussing it, and our spyders are picking it up, and therefore it makes its way into the model. It is true that it has not shown up until now which is curious, but nonetheless, such a language shift could be caused by many such discussions at this time. However, assuming that it is a 'natural' entity, we will continue the interpretation.
IF the entity is correct, then this 'release' will certainly be significant. We find [abyss] (will open) [before you/people], and that [caution] in (movement) is required. That much of the [lands/area/state] will be (thrown back/regressed) to a [previous time/age/level]. That the [obstruction/tension] will (give way/release) in [two] [sections/movements/shifts]. The first will [complete/stop] at a point (halfway/partially) and a small period of [quiet][tension] will occur followed by the second (release) of the [inner tension/obstruction/conflict].
There are indications that this will be a 'land raising' event such as [mounts/hills/mountains](raised) [too high]. And that what was [below] will now (move/jump) (above) the [party/gathering]. The entity has repeated references to (leap)[forward/upward]. This is further augmented by [pieces/debris](suspended)[upward/in the air/hanging].
Other than the above, there are not a whole lot of meaningful references which come through. However we can note that there are specific references which suggest that a prison, or building housing a court will be seriously impacted. In the lexical structure it suggests that such a building will not be demolished all at once, but will (hang/suspend) its [crumbling/destruction] and that this will allow for some [entombed/trapped] individuals to extricate themselves.
The references are for a serious level of damage. A level such that the area struck will be (thrown back) to a [previous/former] [age/capability]. The [tracks/roadways] will be (sintered/splintered/shredded) by the (uplifting) and [caution] will be the watchword as far as travel is concerned thereafter.
NOTE: this entity and the one that follows did arise again after re-processing and so are being presented as they arose. Note that further processing produces more verbiage around the subject.
Within the InnerTension (California) entity, after reprocessing, we are now finding words representing more specific and more numerous types of [danger] and [risk]. These include references to forces which we can categorize as 'electrical', 'water', and 'earth'. The notes are that while electricity will be an issue, there will immediately be some fires resulting from large scale electrical capacity lines breaking. The impression is that the breakage is actually tens of miles away from where the resulting fire will be located. This damage will take months or longer to repair.
There is indications of large scale failure of water resources. There will be immediate impact on post-quake purposes such as fires, and for human consumption, and also long term impact as the indication is that the quake will damage the [source] of the waters such that [new/growing/emerging] [underground] [channels/canals] will divert the [usual][water](flows). This will [dry] up the [mouth] and (force/coerce/impel) the [feet] to be (felt/experienced) in [great/large/huge/magnificent][numbers] as a [river/flow/movement] of [people] heads [north] (toward/to) [reputed/bespoke][rain/water/fluids/capacity].
Again, there are many references to (blocked/frozen/stopped/stoppered) [jaws/mouth/opening] as a result of the (release) of the (second/subsequent)[wave] of (inner-tension/energy/spring). As though the second shock will be more damaging than the first.
InjuredEarth
The InnerTension (California) entity arises as a distinct, separated but enfolded entity within the structure which was known as Transformations of the Seasons entity. This is the one that is proving so difficult and problematic in nailing down to specifics. This is the entity which provides the largest component of the push of the model into a large gathering of entities prior to the split back into separate entities in the second half of September. The density 'packing' of the entities rides on the back of the Transformations of the Seasons entity and thereafter, all the entities contain some base level of weather/climate/seasons related lexicon. Also within this entity is another, fully formed, separated but enfolded entity which we are naming the InjuredEarth entity.
The InjuredEarth entity while contained within the Transformation of the Seasons lexical structure suggests that the timing is imminent as the next 'seasonal' transformation occurs in September as the earth approaches the fall equinox. This may suggest the timing for the rest of the components within the entity.
The InjuredEarth entity contains many references to the (darkening) of the [sun] by an (obscuring) [cloud] (rising) from the [south]. Further, the references are for [debris/particles/parts] to (drive/plunge) themselves into the [depths of the earth]. Obviously the interpretation should be toward an impact on earth from some form of space born debris. Not that this will be a 'correct' interpretation. It could also be indicating a storm of horrific potential.
Within the entity we find hints that (fleeing)[north] the [crowds/populace] will (not eat) for [three days/period]. That some form of [dirt] or [cloud/dust] will prevent (flying). Further it will also (limit/remove/hinder/obstruct) [speaking/communications]. Those who are [wounded] but still able to (walk/flee/abandon) the [south] will be able to make it out from under the (darkening) of the [sunlight] by moving to the [north by east].
The InjuredEarth entity suggests that the place of [injury/damage/wound] will be on the [left/west] [coast/road]. Apparently the earth injury will be near a place of railroads or a [gathering] of (fast)[roads/rails/slips/ways]. Further, to the [north by west] a (high/tall)[pass/way] will be (blocked/obstructed) which will (impede) the (flow/river) of [refugees] from the event.
Again, as noted above, the InjuredEarth entity also survived a purge and reload/reprocess of the data set. This is also being presented as it occurred within the data. And again, new details emerge but the same general tone/impression remains.
We find that the [return/coming/arrival] of [obstructions/walls/bricks] will (create/cause/induce) a [place] of [injury/damage/wound] to the [soul/core] of the [earth/ground/planet]. This [wound] will be but one of a number of near simultaneous [shocks]. However, at this stage, there is more to indicate one noticeable rock impact on earth and a number of other forms of shocks (i.e. geopolitical, economic), than there is to indicate multiple rock strikes on the planet.
What is being suggested here is not arising as any kind of large scale disruption on its own, but rather just one more in a number of significant, life changing events/shocks. The data set as a whole repeats this theme through-out. These life-changing events are *NOT* being portrayed here as life-ending events, at least on a large scale. There is nothing within the data set to indicate that the [rock/stone] impacts will kill off earth. Rather, the clear suggestion is that some form of really fundamental and profound changes will take place in how humans view Universe. Much of what we find here, as well as within the Terra entity, and within Parts 2 and 3 suggest that somehow, these events are all bound up with the Transformation of the Seasons (or not, as the case may be).
It has been suggested that shocks of a psychologic nature of sufficient magnitude would emerge *IF* humans in general were to come to understand that the Seasons were to *not* happen as per usual. That is, that earth/planet movements had altered the human relationships to spring/summer/fall/winter. A change of such magnitude, sunk into consciousness would indeed explain much of what we see within this processing. And would explain a conceptualization of the planet as the InjuredEarth.
There is nothing new within the data to give more clues as to a better interpretation. But what does emerge is a sense that this impact will be but one of a series of such shocks all to arrive within a relatively brief period. So that the resultant feeling of [shock/disorientation/reeling] which is indicated to last for months, may be Universe-view metaphoric rather than sensory.
We also think that there's a chance that Mt. St. Helens could be the Injured Earth entity - but you're welcome to play along at your home... We must point out that the "changing of the seasons" was September 22, which is about smack on when Mt. St. Helens went active. Like I said, we own a very fuzzy software technology that does seem to portend future events.
Specifically now we will be watching to see over the next few days or weeks whether the Injured Earth (St. Helens we think) I'll draw your attention to:
The InjuredEarth entity contains many references to the (darkening) of the [sun] by an (obscuring) [cloud] (rising) from the [south]. Further, the references are for [debris/particles/parts] to (drive/plunge) themselves into the [depths of the earth].
At the time of the posting at www.halfpasthuman.com we believed it would be something like a meteor auguring in, but it's pretty clear now that it will be volcanic debris raining down.
Then there's the question about whether there will be a double quake even bigger to come...in So. Cal.
BTW, one of my favorite gold traders says if there's a second quake - of if we get the double hit in So. Cal, not to worry about trades as most firms in So. Cal have offices back east that do the clearing and their numbers are generally on your last statement...
http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
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Highlight the dark pics and you'll see the outline of the mountain.
So anyways. That looks like planet Erectheus. I wouldn't be surprised if it was. When it sets you can see (the same time the sun rises) that there are red bands coming from that general direction and outwards onto the sky.
So uhh.. whaddayou guys/girls think?
Here's the NEO Toutatis orbit diagram site http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?rec=4179
Today toutatis (according to the site) is 0.0109 away from earth, and tomorrow (the 30th) it will be 0.0105 away.
So why all the mainstream articles talking about today being the closest passing of toutatis?
Apparently the disinfo (or supposed) has already started :TOUTATIS SAFELY PASSES THE EARTH (AS PREDICTED) http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=17203
Pics: http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2004/phot-28-04.html
ELFRAD: THE SOUND OF TOUTATIS http://elfrad.com/toutatis.htm
Here's an interesting one from a russian site:
POSSIBLE HARBINGER OF THE END OF THE WORLD FLIES TOWARD EARTH
MOSCOW, September 29 (RIA Novosti) - Even scientists who are not inclined
to believe in mysticism describe asteroid Tautatis, which will fly past our
planet, as a possible harbinger of the end of the world. The asteroid is a
peanut-shaped planetoid that measures 4.7 kilometers by 2.4 kilometers by
1.9 kilometer and will pass within 1.5 million kilometers of the Earth at a
speed of 35,000 kilometers per hour. The asteroid can be observed through
strong binoculars or with an amateur telescope. According to Noviye
Izvestia, the problems that have arisen with the coming of Tautatis are far
more interesting.
On its path through the solar system, Tautatis passes through the asteroid
belt between Mars and Jupiter and passes near Earth's orbit once every four
years. In December 1992, the asteroid passed 3.6 million kilometers from
Earth; on November 29, 1996, it came 5.3 million kilometers from Earth; in
October 2000, it was 11 million kilometers from Earth and on September 29,
2004, it will be 1.5 million kilometers from Earth. The last time Tautatis
came so close to Earth was in 1353, and the next time it is expected to get
so close is in 2562.
"Its orbit is thoroughly calculated," assured Mikhail Smirnov, Ph.D.
(Physics and Mathematics), from the astronomy department at the Institute
of Astronomy, Russian Academy of Sciences. "Luckily, it is fairly stable
and Tautatis presents no danger to the population of Earth. The movement of
other asteroids that are far more dangerous for humanity can be modeled
based on the unique information that can be obtained by studying it." Over
500 such asteroids have been recorded and their number is growing. Though
none of these asteroids will hit Earth in the next 200 years, there are
about 500 more absolutely unknown objects in the solar system. Tautatis is
being studied to help identify these objects and search for ways to prevent
a catastrophe. Today, there are several scenarios to prevent a collision.
The main one is to destroy an approaching asteroid by firing a missile with
a nuclear warhead at it. "This task can be performed by the Russian Soyuz
and Proton rockets," Smirnov said. "It would be far more interesting not to
destroy the asteroid but to change its trajectory and put it on an orbit
around Earth with a solar sail so that a space station could be built on
such a satellite."
http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm
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ya see that? they may even blast it to peices!
Notice how there are differences of information...
11 AM Update
Another Possible Bot Hit - Terrorist Caught in Drag!
When it came up in an entity that suggested Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants (numbering 8 or 9 in all) would escape capture by hiding in a culvert and dressing as women we were skeptical. But, what do we have today but a report of a "Terror Suspect being captured wearing his wife's underwear"! Who would have thought? http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3560786 Five other suspect were also caught in the same sweep.
We don't know if this is "the" hit, but it's close enough for even skeptics to ask, "Do these guys really have proprietary technology that let's then see into the future?" Yup....but it's a fuzzy lens.
http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
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Check out that link. There's an article there about the scalar technology used on the weather, with pics and all sorts of goodies! [:P]
Here's a snippet: Hurricanes: Scalar? --- TV Weatherman
I received an incredibly interesting email from TV weatherman Scott Stevens who folks in the Pacific Northwest may recognize. He's been taking a lot of pictures of anomalous clouds and sent us the following email (used by permission):
Thanks for maintaining urban survival... it is one of five sites I have to visit each morning.
I am a meteorologist at an affiliate in the Northwest who now uses scalar weapons signatures within the clouds to better my forecasting record. After closely watching high-resolution visible satellite imagery there is no question in my mind that these storms weren't altered and guided to their final destinations. No doubt what so ever. I have come to a further conclusion; that the entire Earth's weather had been digitized. There is not a flood, thunderstorm, cyclone, or drought that isn't allowed to happen. Control over global weather is complete. This way it is much easier to control portions, hurricanes/storms, within this system.
Well, its been nice knowin' all you fine folks...
It is well past noon...and Surprise...we are all still here! Of course tomorrow is full moon day and that usually is bizarre.
Earthquakes in California and two volcano's erupting....not exactly shocking. The one in Hawaii generally produces a rather steady stream of lava, sometimes large amounts and explosions, sometimes small. It has never been considered dormant by any definition.
Mt. St. Helen's has been a "next time it erupts" volcano since the big explosion - it has been churning ever since.
So maybe this is the "big one" in California along the many fault lines there...Goodbye Hollywood and San Francisco, possibly Seattle and Portland too.
If St. Helen blows, look for another eruption somewhere else along the ring of fire and many earthquakes. I am waiting for the New Madrid fault in the middle west to start shaking any day now.
But, Just because the planet is doing some of these things, doesn't mean it is damaged. It is just doing what it does from time to time. And from time to time, those eruptions and earthquakes and resulting tidal waves are massive. Most geologists agree these events are long overdue and the pressures within the planet have been building. And didn't someone just test some nuclear device in the past week or two? That usually sets off something in the earth. I seem to recall a news story about it.
The after effects could be devastating or mild. Other generations certainly have survived these kind of events - or none of us would be around today. Some may die or be injured. Others could be totally unaffected.
In other words, that's life on planet earth. Somehow, humanity will manage.
Stay safe....JD
Well I think all that goes without saying, most people realize the world has not been without its natural reactions and occurances.
The only difference here is, both the timing and the conjunction with all these other things happening.
Thats the thing though, we cant look for occurances that have always happened, nor are we looking for new things.
What we are looking for, which has always been the concern, is lots of different occurances happening within the same time frame rather rapidly and bunched together.
It may be normal that each of these things happen, but when, in any lifetime has a war raged while four hurricanes within a little over a month occur and earthquakes begin erupting, volcanoes start becoming a little more active again, asteroids pass by the earth, floods and plague begin killing thousands, uniting global economy is an issue, political elections that may result in more bloodshed are taking place in more than one country, and instant communication is reaching another peak in the world technology market(ie IBMs new supercomputer)???
I mean, we can only ask for so much right?
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In other words, that's life on planet earth. Somehow, humanity will manage.
At this point I can't help but point out that it's easy to skip through the tulips singing "Circle of Life" when your state isn't the next one on God's hitlist.
:X
Aileron,
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in any lifetime has a war raged
Do you know one century without any war(s)?
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while four hurricanes within a little over a month occur
Even if it is "statistically unusual", it's still not unnatural. Weather never acts in the same way.
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and earthquakes begin erupting
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/7up.html
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/4kids/facts.html
"It is estimated that there are 500,000 detectable earthquakes in the world each year. 100,000 of those can be felt, and 100 of them cause damage."
"Each year the southern California area has about 10,000 earthquakes. Most of them are so small that they are not felt. Only several hundred are greater than magnitude 3.0, and only about 15-20 are greater than magnitude 4.0. If there is a large earthquake, however, the aftershock sequence will produce many more earthquakes of all magnitudes for many months."
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volcanoes start becoming a little more active again
http://www.fema.gov/hazards/volcanoes/volcano.shtm
More than 500 active volcanoes worldwide. So if some of them erupt, it's nothing unusual or unnatural. It's actually more unusual that they
don't erupt more often.
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asteroids pass by the earth
I don't know how unusual this is, but if you consider the fact that thousands of NEOs (near earth objects, http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/) have been recorded the last 100 (most of them in the last 50 because of better technology) years, it doesn't seem that unusual.
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floods and plague begin killing thousands
Agreed, the floods probably will be even worse in future. But floods happen every year with thousands of deaths, worldwide:
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~floods/Archives/index.html
Look at the bottom of each table. Since 1985 (to 2003) 319,968 people have died because of floods. That makes an average of 16,840 every year.
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Pardon, it seems I made a little miscalculation. From 1985 to 2003 302,617 people have died because of floods. That reduces the average to 15,927 per year, but that's still a very high count.
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political elections that may result in more bloodshed are taking place in more than one country
May, may not. Bloodsheds (worldwide) will happen with and without those elections. Seems to be humans nature to kick each others a**.
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and instant communication is reaching another peak in the world technology market
This is simply advancement, I wouldn't call that unusual.
One more moon, methinks...
Palehorse, my state is on the hit list -- on the western end with the new Madrid fault lines and the Mississippi River. And Chicago is always on the hit list for horrendous winter storms and five feet of snow and ice just like the northwest. In the spring, it is tornados.
No state is immune to some sort of weather pattern that causes damage.
Things may seem all bunched together because we have the internet and a global communications system which didn't really exist before. Until the last 20-25 years, it took time for news to travel around the world. Today, it is instantaneous. 100 years ago, most people never heard about much other than local news. Probably happier for it.
So is it that we are more aware of these things happening, or is that the happenings are themselves unusual?
I have no idea how many hurricanes there were in any one of the years of WWI or WWII or the VietNam War or the Civil War. Or earthquakes, or floods, or epidemics, or anything else that would have been considered a local event in any part of the world. Could have been none or it could have been 10.
So let's not assume that just because we notice something that it has never happened before. And yes, maybe the earth pressures and climate changes that are building only happen once in a millenium or two, and we just happened to have been born in time to see it.
I do believe we are in for a bumpy ride the next year or two.... even three, but maybe I have lived long enough not to see total disaster in those things whether I am in them or not.
Now, if you want to predict the "Second Coming", I am all ears...JD
Has anyone else noticed that www.godlikeproductions.com has been shut down again?
ill admit that i was rooting for oazaki, but with today being the last day, i see that september has not proven to me without a doubt that he is what he says he was. it also turned me off to the whole catastrophic thing. i wont be surprised if anything ever happens, but im not looking for it.
just thought id mention oazaki with the passing of september.
Veccolo, I like that you rode that as though I was attempting to single out each event by themselves.
If you read through what I posted, as a whole, the way it was intended, as meant as a culmination of all these things "together"...not just this happening here, and this happening here at random times, then you will see the odd behaviors of recent events.
I dont understand why you seperated everything and explained them as singular comments....
its easy enough to see the peculiarities of our global events, and though I may be a little over sensitive, sometimes paranoid and hopeful, I am not blind. These things have important recourse which, whether being affiliated divinely or not, will impact this world in a way I dont believe anyone has yet to comprehend.
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political elections that may result in more bloodshed are taking place in more than one country
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May, may not. Bloodsheds (worldwide) will happen with and without those elections. Seems to be humans nature to kick each others a**."
Both differing opinions and the same statement stated again.
My belief though, is that if Bush is reelected(or actually elected for his first presidency), there will be transgression more so because of his station and actions already taken, plus the views of him all over the world are quite negative.
Of course if its Kerry, the US could be taken advantage of easier so their will be more homeland deaths....one can never tell though....I hate them both.
But Bush will bring "more" bloodshed in my opinion.
Alieron,
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If you read through what I posted, as a whole, the way it was intended, as meant as a culmination of all these things "together"...not just this happening here, and this happening here at random times, then you will see the odd behaviors of recent events.
Don't worry, I realized that you meant all these things as a whole. I wanted to show you that these things happen
all the time, throughout the whole year. Wars, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, technological advancement, elections and bloodsheds are permanently present in our world.
I just don't understand how someone can interpret
those things as a sign for a "big change" or something like that. They happen
ALL THE TIME. And if some things happen all the time, they will sometimes simply happen together.
The only unusual thing here, in my opinion, are the absurd "interpretations" in this thread. Well, whatever. Some people even see "important messages" in tv noise, so maybe it's not that unusual. Just don't be sad if nothing big (like an apocalypse) happens in your lifetime ;)
GLP is down and is going to be down for a while until a new host is found. The old server host is not going to put it up again because their reputation is on the line... according to Elaine the site owner.
Similar events like the ones described in this thread have happened in the past and have been at a seemingly pattern-bound rate, and for a while at this almost scheduled rate, however the measures of what exactly the world is dealing with nowadays is unprecedented of that.
If you are thinking events like these happen ALL THE TIME I wonder if you also think that it will always be that way because it has always been that way, and if you would favor that it be. The world, its nature and establishments aren't completely unchanging. The world (in time) existed long before you were born, and America, as all other establishments, countries and corporations. The nature of the world is evolving, and rising in vibration. It is bound to change from the presented short-term pattern.
Anyway I think by the next full moon we will have seen some really cool stuff. [8D]
ASTROLOGER: 10/7/04 IS NEXT "CRISIS DAY": http://ww2.astroecon.com/Lev4/SPECIALREPORTSTHELEN.asp
News-Alert-Specials
from The Survival Center
McKenna, Wa 98558
This News - Alert contains information on Earth Changes,
Potential Events, Preparedness and More
Is our part of the Pacific Ring Of Fire Becoming More Active?
Energy 'Boiling Out' Of Mt. St. Helens
MOUNT St. Helens seeing one or two earthquakes a minute ...
Seismic energy releases from Mount St. Helens have been increasing
for days now, cranking up to a level not seen since 1986, when the
volcano's last dome-building eruption occurred.
http://www.komo4news.com/stories/33274.htm
ALASKA could get more earthquakes News Journal - Longview,TX,USA
ATLANTA - Rapid melting of Alaska's glaciers is increasing the chances
of future earthquakes there, NASA scientists reported Monday.
http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/shared/news/stories/0803_toner_html.html
ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- The last time Mount Spurr erupted, it spewed a
plume 50,000 feet in the air, driving Anchorage residents indoors,
shutting down airports and setting ash adrift as far away as
Greenland.
Twelve years later, the volcano is again restless. Fifteen to 25
small earthquakes a day have been rumbling beneath Mount Spurr for the past month. Last week, the Alaska Volcano Observatory raised its
level of concern from green (dormant) to yellow (restless).
http://www.newsday.com/news/science/wire/sns-ap-restless-volcano,0,2131014.story?coll=sns-ap-science-headlines
UNPRECEDENTED 1,600 small earthquakes deep below Lake Tahoe San
Diego Union Tribune - San Diego, CA,USA By Scott Sonner. RENO, Nev. -
Magma moving deep below Lake Tahoe apparently triggered an
unprecedented swarm of 1,600 tiny earthquakes during a seven-month period but
they stopped in February and there's no cause for alarm, experts said
Thursday.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20040805-1348-nv-sierraearthquakes.html
ROUNDUP: Series of earthquakes shakes Turkish and Greek resorts
Hotels Magazine - Oak Brook,IL,United States A series of moderate
earthquakes shook south-west Turkey and Greece's Aegean Islands on
Wednesday morning slightly injuring 25 people, CNN-Tuerk reported.
MODERATE Earthquake Injures 7 in Turkey Guardian - UK ... On
Tuesday, a three moderate earthquakes, the strongest with magnitude 5.0,
shook the same area. No damage or injuries were reported. ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4385749,00.html
NEW Method May Predict Quakes Weeks Ahead
USA STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Swedish geologists may have found a way to
predict earthquakes weeks before they happen by monitoring the amount
of metals like zinc and .
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&ncid=753&e=2&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_sc/predicting_earthquakes
And another link here:
http://www.enn.com/news/2004-08-05/s_26394.asp
Deforestation threatens Amazon river, scientists warn
Deforestation has provoked drastic changes along many Amazon
tributaries and scientists warned it was only a matter of time before it
affects the main trunk of the river.
http://www.enn.com/news/2004-07-30/s_26321.asp
China faces summer energy shortage
China has ordered emergency shipments of coal by road and waterways
to help ease severe energy shortages said to be the worst in two
decades, state media reported.
http://www.enn.com/news/2004-07-30/s_26322.asp
Eastern U.S. may face more bad summer air
The number of summer days when air quality fails federal health
standards could nearly double by mid-century for people living in 15
eastern U.S. cities, medical experts said in a study released
Wednesday.
http://www.enn.com/news/2004-08-05/s_26384.asp
Climate distress reaches the deep sea
Climate change could cause alarming changes to sea life far below
the surface, report oceanographers in the journal Science. Also in
California Wild: pidgeons, fiddler crabs, and news about the latest
planetoid on the block.
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NEW AL-QAEDA TAPE RELEASED
An audio tape said to have been recorded by a senior member of the al-Qaeda network has been broadcast by Arabic television channel al-Jazeera.
The speaker is identified as Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama Bin Laden's deputy.
He calls for organised resistance against invading "crusaders" in the Muslim world.
He also says it is the duty of every Muslim to liberate "Palestine", and says the West is complicit in the deaths of Palestinian militant leaders.
"In Palestine, we do not only face the Jews, but we also face the global coalition against Islam, led by the crusader and Zionist United States and the crusader West and the agent leaders behind them."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3707550.stm
Zionist America? I thought we Americans were all supposed to be x-tian. After all the x-tian god's vision is what we are leading(on) America with. [xx(][:)]
heh heh. Btw did anyone see the 'debate' yesterday? I thought Kerry lead in the 'debate' yet Bush and Kerry almost seemed to share the floor if you know what I mean. The 'debate' was also quite revealing.
The next one is next week, oct. 8th, a day after the next 'crisis' day.
Hey look GLP is now GOP.com....or rnc.org (alternative adress for the same website).
That is definately weird. Damn republicans... lol
I think people have a tendency to over-inflate the importance of events that occur in their own lifetime, presumably because of that added experiential, emotional element. They follow what I think is a dubious trail of extrapolations from "This is a meaningful event in my life" to "This is a meaningful event in everyone's life" to "This is a meaningful event in the course of existence."
9/11 and the various spin-off wars constantly get mentioned as part of the crazy end-times in which we apparently find ourselves, but in terms of sheer spectacle they pale in comparison to Hiroshima. In terms of lives lost they pale in comparison to The Holocaust.
In terms of sheer spectacle Hiroshima pales in comparison to the Tunguska Event. In terms of lives lost The Holocaust pales in comparison to the 1918 flu pandemic.
History's replete with events far more worthy of being labelled apocalyptic than anything happening right now. The events happening now seem more like minor blips on a historical scale.
Even by stepping out of our own backyard these events seem far less pressing. I wonder if the indigenous people of Australia consider Floridian hurricanes to be of major apocalyptic importance.
Oh, and so much for Toutatis.
Quiet Storm: Re: Al-Zawahri - he is calling all Islam to fight against the "Crusaders" because he is still living in 1204 rather than 2004...at least as far as his world view is concerned.
And he lumps the USA with the phrase Zionist because he sees no difference between Christians and Jews -- or Buddhists or Hindus - or any one else for that matter. To him, we are all infidels who must be converted or killed.
He, and his followers, truly beleive that the 5 billion non-Muslims in the world want to eradicate the practice of Islam as a religion. Not so, but there is no convincing them of that.
He does not understand that most of the rest of the world doesn't care what religion he chooses to practice. We just care that he recognize the simple right to exist of the other people in the world.
True fanatics are master manipulators and they manipulate the young who are indoctrinated into believing they have absolutely nothing left to loose, or anything left to live for.
I personally don't care what religion a person is. I do care that some are willing to kill in the name of that religion and in the name of their definition of God.
There can be no peace with people who do not recognize your right to exist. It is one of the reasons why I don't think the USA should be involved in the Middle East. The faith of Islam must find its own way out of being overrun by such fanatics. And at the present moment, it is hard to know if any of the Imams and Mullahs see it as a problem.
So what to do? What to do? That is the problem. There is nothing we can do or say that is going to change Al-Zawahri's mindset.
Unfortunately, it is a problem we can no longer ignore.
So how the next few years develop should be interesting -- and scary at the same time.
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9/11 and the various spin-off wars constantly get mentioned as part of the crazy end-times in which we apparently find ourselves, but in terms of sheer spectacle they pale in comparison to Hiroshima.
There was a nuke set off by North Korea, and I saw satellite images of the clouds over the area and saw what I saw which verified that it was a real nuke. In terms of sheer spectacle, I agree it was said that Kim just did a 'show of force' but did not kill anyone. But what do you think about what this does to the earth?
In the debate last nite president Bush agreed that hia pre-emptive strike policy is like Pearl Harbor in reverse. I think he reveals alot with that statement.
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In terms of lives lost they pale in comparison to The Holocaust.
Well I don't know about that in terms of the measure of death globally, but in these days we have much more flow of information globally than we have ever in the times of WW2 especially because we have such *critically* acclaimed media and the free internet. And since even the 60s and 70s the peace hippies, a greater flow of energy and/or embodiment of love and understanding which progressively started the 'New Age' and also more esoteric knowledge was revealed. So then we can prevent another Holocaust from occuring. But some worshipped 'presidences' are walking a path of injustice and we are watching them representing our country(ies). I don't agree with injustice. Do you?
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I wonder if the indigenous people of Australia consider Floridian hurricanes to be of major apocalyptic importance.
I read that people in Australia think they are having very unusual weather. How bout asking them?
TA-ALARM! Al-Qaeda Releases New Tape Urging Attacks
Posted by: deeprivergal
On: Fri October, 1 2004 @ 04:51 GMT
A tape released allegedly by Al-Qaeda's is calling for all muslims to attack US and UK interests. The tape has not been authenticated yet. It aired on Al Jazeera Television and it is reported that the CIA is aware and is reviewing the tape.
original news source:
foxnews.com
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — An audio tape purportedly released by Usama bin Laden's (search) deputy calls for attacks on U.S. and British interests everywhere, according to a broadcast Friday by Al-Jazeera television.
The Arab station said the speaker on the tape was Ayman al-Zawahiri (search), an Egyptian-born surgeon and the closest aide to the Al Qaeda (search) terrorist group leader. The U.S. government has offered up to $25 million for information leading to his killing or capture.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
According to Al Jazeera the voice on the tape is Ayman al-Zawahiri, Bin Ladens deputy. He is reportedly calling for all muslims, including youth to wait no more. He tells them that they must start resisting now.
quote:"You, youth of Islam, this is our message," he said. "If we die or are detained, continue the path after us, and don't betray God and his prophet, and don't knowingly betray the trust."
The producer of Al Jazeera claims that the tape was released today. According to the report the entire contents of the tape were not going to be played in full but there was almost four minutes in two clips broadcast.
http://www.terroranalysis.com/story/84347.html
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I'm wouldn't be surprised if any of the world's force of security, thought any type of acclaimed fanatic of a type of religion or idealogy that contradicted their policies and idealogies which they were based on is a potential terrorist as well those who are in opposition to those who use force in darkness to create and breed terrorism themselves.
Osama Bin Laden knows what he is talking about when he refers America as Zionist America. Osama is not living in year 1204, I think it's closer to the year 2004.
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True fanatics are master manipulators and they manipulate the young who are indoctrinated into believing they have absolutely nothing left to loose, or anything left to live for.
Sure are.
USA's involvement with Iraq was a strategic occupation in the Middle East to secure oil bases and secure communications with Zionist Israel. Those damn republicans love power, money, and oil
Hey guys, somethings up. I'll just use cut and paste for the posts from STA.
IMPORTANT WEB BOT UPDATE
Half Past Human has closed their site for subscriptions. There is a rumor they might be having financial problems, but with the loss of GLP this week, it is something we should be questioning, especially with their record of direct hits. ARE THEY TOO GOOD?
The bots have been more accurate with predictions than any other I have seen. They are not exact, and they have been wrong in the past. But, the program is in its infancy and, as it has grown, it has been more right-on than not.
I noticed that no one replied to Mystikel's post yesterday about Web Bots.
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/members/forum.cgi?read=17811
Of all the posts on this site, I personally think Mystikel's post is the most important of all.
Go back and read it again and keep in mind while reading it, the information was written in August before any of the Calif quakes or even the slightest rumbling of St Helens and the other Pac NW volcanoes.
It is more than Spooky, it's damn scary.
Did anyone predict any of what has been going on today, over a month's ago? Did you see anything on the news about Pac NW Volcanoes? How about big Calif earthquakes? Quite a coincidence huh?
USGS issued an alert yesterday to people who subscribe, warning them of aftershocks/foreshocks in Calif. They gave a 10% chance of bigger Calif quakes happening in the coming days. Note: This is a first for USGS.
Now, we have magma moving under Helens. No one really knows what will happen.
I don't want to alarm anyone by implying the bots are 100%, but they nailed what is happening today dead-on target. Hopefully everything they say is going to happen in the very near future is wrong. But, if they are only 10% accurate in what is still to come,
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Hey, maybe these events have something to do with:
HOMELAND SEC. CYBERSECURITY CHIEF ABRUPTLY RESIGNS
Posted By: Caffeinated
Date: Friday, 1 October 2004, 4:55 p.m.
I don't like the sounds of this at all. Something's up. My first thought was that he resigned because he has been asked to do something he refuses to be involved with. Any thoughts?
*snip*
The Department of Homeland Security's cybersecurity chief has confirmed to InformationWeek that he has submitted his resignation.
Amit Yoran's resignation was effective at the end of the business day Thursday. Yoran accepted the position of director at the National Cyber Security Division in September 2003, a job previously held by special cyber-security advisers to the White House Howard Schmidt and Richard Clarke.
*snip*
He gave them mere HOURS of notice, less than a day.
http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=49400205
YOUR GONNA LOVE THIS! *PIC*
Posted By: PIEMAN <Send E-Mail>
Date: Friday, 1 October 2004, 5:53 p.m.
In Response To: Re: IMPORTANT WEB BOT UPDATE (Caffeinated)
Howdy Caffinated. I must have missed your post earlier. There have been so many lately, it's hard to read them all.
I was just thinking about the Bot run from early August:
"The latest web bot runs predict something will happen starting September 2, increasing and with another peak day on September 10, which will percolate out into full public consciousness around September 23 and which will be fully into public discussion and reaction by November 1 - but it has effectively no end date to it. What will "IT" be?"
I just went back and saw that St Helens went active Sept 24th.
Check out this pic below. Its a chart showing St Helen's events in Sept. Note the dates....
(Insert theme from Twilight Zone here! lol)
http://www.pnsn.org/HELENS/energynum.month.htm
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I dunno, but I just think it's a bit strange also that the totally controlled 'Internet 2' folks had a gathering last week to plan their takeover.
Quiet Storm...don't think for a second that democrats don't love power, money and oil as much as any republican. And the oil companies, like most corporate interests give money to both parties and candidates.
There are no democrats out there demanding we end our oil dependency in 10 years - banning all gasoline powered engines by 2014 or the use of fossil fuels for heating and electricity any time soon. Only Nader is proposing that and everyone thinks he is a nut case because of it. Oh, others give lip service to alternative fuels, power plants, or engines, but no one in Congress or the candidates in the major parties are really serious about it.
So they are all in the pockets of the oil interests and we have the best Congress the lobbyists can buy.
Speaking of which, I see no big influx of Iraqi oil onto the international markets. I'm still spending $2 a gallon to fill my tank.
And the terrorist leaders may live in 2004, but they don't want to and their savagery and blood lust shows that they think of 1204 as the good old days.
They want you and me and everyone like us - well, dead. In their minds, everyone else is a target. Killing and mayhem and keeping their own people as ignorant as possible, and therefore controllable, is their ideology. It is how they justify killing 34 Iraqi children yesterday. It is how they justify beheading truck drivers, reporters, and aid workers. It is how they would justify killing you. Are you a Zionist? And even if you were, do they have a right to take away from you that which they did not give you - your own life?
Unfortunately, I don't think we have even begun to see the extremes to which such men will go to kill us. And you don't think they have a medieval mindset?
And there is absolutely nothing new about expectations of Mt. St. Helen's erupting again or earthquakes in California. Geologists have been saying it for years. Nothing impressive about that kind of prediction.
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Quiet Storm...don't think for a second that democrats don't love power, money and oil as much as any republican. And the oil companies, like most corporate interests give money to both parties and candidates.
There are no democrats out there demanding we end our oil dependency in 10 years - banning all gasoline powered engines by 2014 or the use of fossil fuels for heating and electricity any time soon. Only Nader is proposing that and everyone thinks he is a nut case because of it. Oh, others give lip service to alternative fuels, power plants, or engines, but no one in Congress or the candidates in the major parties are really serious about it.
So they are all in the pockets of the oil interests and we have the best Congress the lobbyists can buy.
Yea, I know.
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They want you and me and everyone like us - well, dead. In their minds, everyone else is a target. Killing and mayhem and keeping their own people as ignorant as possible, and therefore controllable, is their ideology. It is how they justify killing 34 Iraqi children yesterday. It is how they justify beheading truck drivers, reporters, and aid workers. It is how they would justify killing you. Are you a Zionist?
umm no. Want some examples of zionist jews in america's power structure? read this: ISRAELI MOLE CALLED MEGA NESTING INSIDE PENTAGON. http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=18178
"For years, the FBI has been convinced that there is at least one
high-level Israeli mole in Washington," {Jane's} adds.
The story also notes that there is "growing unease in some
quarters in Washington about the influence that Israel's right
wing has in US President George W Bush's administration through
the pro-Likud neo-conservatives, largely in the Pentagon," and
though AIPAC and WINEP (the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.)
And it points out how the Mossad seeks out Jews around the
world to serve as informal agents, known in Hebrew as {sayanim}
or 'helpers', and that some of this spying is conducted by the
secret Scientific Liaison Bureau, known by its Hebrew acronym
Lakam, run by the Ministry of Defense, and its equally
little-known successor, Malmab (the Security Authority for the Ministry of Defense).
Here is more: http://www.rense.com/Datapages/zionismdata.htm
"It (labeling people 'anti-semitic') has been a handy and effective weapon which has destroyed countless careers and is responsible for the totally illegitimate Zionist regime. Zionists have cleverly suggested for a hundred years, by smearing their critics as 'anti-Semites,' that the Zionists are the legitimate conquerors of Palestine. Zionists have never actually SAID they were Semitic - just that their enemies are 'anti-Semitic.' Pretty neat...and completely dishonest. But in light of the genuine anti-Semitism of the Zionists it becomes a bizarre obscenity when these non-Semitic aliens accuse their Semitic victims of 'anti-Semitism'.
I believe this is the central issue regarding The Jewish Question. When awareness of this matter becomes more widespread, and it will now, the Zionist state will lose support even from the deluded Christians, who need Semitic-type Jews running "Israel" for the fulfillment of their bloody dreams. The Zionists will be exposed as pseudo-religious gangsters." --J. Bruce Campbell
On The Jewish People
Zionism And Anti-Semitism
http://www.rense.com/general54/hoaoxo.htm
You might also want to read about the role of zionism in the holocaust (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/holocaust/gedalyaLiebermann.htm)
and how Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush sponsored and helped Hitler in his rise to power (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html).
And how Hitler was related with the Rothschilds: WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD? http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/hitler.html
There is another link I think I posted earlier in this thread about the history of Bush. If it's not there you can do the research yourself if you just care to do so.
Here is one article that I thought very good: BUSH IS HISTORY'S TOP TERRORIST (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0409/S00286.htm) which blatantly accuses Bush of overthrowing Haiti's elected government and costing them hundreds of lives.
I talked to my mother the other day and she told me her mother in Puerto Rico saw reports on television of an island off the coast of Haiti called Tortuga Island which completely dissapeared according to UN reports under the waves of the ocean, and killing many people, leaving hundreds (perhaps in the range of a thousand) just floating in the ocean. I saw reports of this, and there are links to it on the net to confirm this. How do yuo think this happened? Maybe that earthquake and a huge storm surge that accompanied the tropical storm had something to do with it. Haiti is in total 'chaos' right now. I read that there are alot of zombies and death (people with no soul/light) roaming the streets of Haiti, and it is not a very nice place to be right now.
Bush sponsors mass murders. I've provided enough clues to reach that conclusion so there's no way to get around that if one just does the proper research. But he is paying his debts.
As of right now the GLP site for it's adress is no longer gop.com or rnc.org. But it does make me wonder about the hacker. Elaine is posting at another board, and she mentioned that the hacker didn't like liberals...
LOL, so it looks like we were hacked by the politicians! Heheheheh.... but on a serious note, it's obvious that the hacker supports Bush's agenda.
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Originally posted by Quiet Storm
There was a nuke set off by North Korea, and I saw satellite images of the clouds over the area and saw what I saw which verified that it was a real nuke.
The consensus is that the explosion was not caused by a nuke, and I'm sure you appreciate that I'm more likely to take the word of all available experts rather than an opinion based on what you or I might think a photo looked like.
But either way, my point still stands. The events we're experiencing now are vastly overshadowed by events decades ago, or centuries ago. We're not in the midst of unprecedented war, or unprecedented political machinations. Only global warming and the associated earth changes seem slightly new (assuming we ignore larger earth changes in the planet's history), but what suggests that they're anything more than they're purported to be?
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Originally posted by Quiet Storm
I don't agree with injustice. Do you?
Of course not, but I don't see it as a straight choice between either a) believing that these injustices are a precursor to some apocalypse/global enlightenment/transition/cosmic hootenanny, or b) not caring. There's middle ground.
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But either way, my point still stands. The events we're experiencing now are vastly overshadowed by events decades ago, or centuries ago. We're not in the midst of unprecedented war, or unprecedented political machinations. Only global warming and the associated earth changes seem slightly new (assuming we ignore larger earth changes in the planet's history), but what suggests that they're anything more than they're purported to be?
How bout taking a look at this article from (http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004_Interplanetary_Part_1/Interplanetary_1.htm) about how the whole solar system is experiencing changes. So it's not just earth, and what do you suppose could be causing these changes? I think it's area of space that we are moving into that inhabits very potent enegy. I also think there is a massive planetary body in the solar system that has something to do with it. Just care to research (and of course obtaining the proper perspective) and you'll see what Im talking about.
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Of course not, but I don't see it as a straight choice between either a) believing that these injustices are a precursor to some apocalypse/global enlightenment/transition/cosmic hootenanny, or b) not caring. There's middle ground.
In terms of enlightenment, I think it is a precursor. Take for example how we are shown what isn't to recognize what is. The thing is here, we are shown what injustice is to recognize justice.
It's simple really, we have the power of love and knowing. [;)]
QS, I never would have taken you for an anti-Semite. Yet your last post seems to have that tone.
Of course, if that is true, it may explain why you don't think the terrorists want the rest of us dead. You live here, you are a USA citizen, they want you dead. Simple as that.
The Rothchilds and Prescott Bush - old news. Same for Israeli spies in the Pentagon. After all, we likely have agents in their intelligence agenices. Everyone spies on everyone. And rightfully so. In the world as it is today, it is hard to know who to trust and how much.
By the way, if you are so anti-Bush, I surmise you are a Kerry supporter. Hope you have your bags packed for the draft. He will be pressured by the democrats in Congress to sign the draft bill they wrote and are trying to get passed. Be careful what you wish for. Oh, well....just think of it as your chance to get away from it all and have a whole new direction in life for a few years.
My real attitude is Presidents come and go. Some are good. Some are not. They all play the political game at our expense and bear watching.
And Haiti has never been a nice place to be. Chaos has been its history. Why do you think so many of them get on anything that floats to get away from there? Of course, the damage from the hurricanes makes it even worse. The people there are desperate for food and water. Some of them haven't eaten in a week or two. It is a mess and their government is totally ineffective in dealing with any kind of crisis and might well collapse with this present tragedy.
So please pray for those people, if you believe in such things. They are experiencing their own version of Apocolypse Now and are living in hell-on-earth.
Here's a quote from a "Zionism DataPage" (http://www.rense.com/Datapages/zionismdata.htm)
Jews Against Zionism:
"...it is our obligation to make it known in order that everyone should understand that the Zionists are not the nation of Israel... and it is most definitely our holy obligation to announce before those nations of the world that the Zionists are not the spokespeople of the nation of Israel..." - Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum
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QS, I never would have taken you for an anti-Semite. Yet your last post seems to have that tone.
Well, rest assured that Im not anti-semitic. I just don't like most zionist jews. And the zionists DO NOT represent jews. In fact there are alot of jews that are against zionism and would agree with me that they don't like zionists to represent all jews. Zionism is like a jewish corporation with its agenda as well. Did you even read any of the articles that I keep referring to? Especially the one "On The Jewish People Zionism And Anti-Semitism"? It says alot there.
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Of course, if that is true, it may explain why you don't think the terrorists want the rest of us dead. You live here, you are a USA citizen, they want you dead. Simple as that.
Blah, why do you always come up with all these conclusion about me which I have to disprove of? Terrorists are terrorists, they kill whoever they want to, and so do we, if we do want to. I don't think ALL terrorists don't want "the rest of us" dead, or me. They do whatever they want...
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By the way, if you are so anti-Bush, I surmise you are a Kerry supporter. Hope you have your bags packed for the draft. He will be pressured by the democrats in Congress to sign the draft bill they wrote and are trying to get passed. Be careful what you wish for. Oh, well....just think of it as your chance to get away from it all and have a whole new direction in life for a few years.
again, you surmised wrong. I am not a kerry supporter. I am an 'independant'. I know bush and kerry's agenda. The latest debate was very revealing and yes Kerry DID talk about his plan to strengthen the military.
Jena, I don't like you making such conclusions about me which fit comfortably with your perceptions, I find it very irrating to keep having to type all that is necessary prove to you that something isn't.
Anyways....
I'm getting a weird sense of deja vu... [^]
Democrats Fear 'October Surprise' http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041003/ap_on_el_pr/october_surprise_2
Now Im really intrigued to know what this October Surprise is.
IRAQI PEOPLE SAY AL-ZARQAWI IS MEDIA LIE
*SNIP*
The resistance has many faces. In some towns it started after people lost patience with reconstruction. In others it was a direct response to US raids, arrests and humiliations.
But across Iraq the resistance is now known as "al-Muqawama al-Shaabi"—the popular resistance.
Members of the Iraqi delegation at a recent anti-war conference in Beirut spoke to Socialist Worker. The delegation, from Fallujah, Baghdad and Basra, included tribal and religious leaders and community representatives.
*SNIP*
"We heard rumours that the Peshmerga [Kurdish forces] were helping the US, but we did not actually see them helping the enemy."
He also dismissed claims that the resistance in Fallujah is under the control of Al Qaida:
"The Western media claim the resistance is being directed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian leader of Al Qaida, but this is not true.
"The resistance in Fallujah is controlled by the people of Fallujah. In the other cities it is the same. We believe this is a deliberate lie spread by the Americans to discredit the resistance and to try to stop it from spreading."
Samira al-Gaylani, a lawyer from Baghdad and head of the secular Progressive Movement of Iraqi Women, dismissed US attempts to play the sectarian card, saying, "Iraq has been mixed for 7,000 years. The resistance has general support among the Iraqi people."
Dr Fatima Saloum says that there was some sympathy for the troops of the occupying powers:
"We see the young British and US soldiers and most of them are very young—just boys really. We wonder why such powerful armies would send these boys to occupy our country.
"We feel sorry for them because most of them just look scared all the time.
"At first they would give sweets and Coca-Cola to the children, but now they are even scared of the children.
"We feel sympathy for Rose Gentle and other mothers who have lost their sons, but we blame Bush and Blair for making these young men our enemies.
"It is important to know that there are two faces to the resistance—the armed resistance, like in Fallujah and Samarra, but also the other resistance, the civilian resistance."
The Iraqi delegates also dismissed the national elections planned for January.
Nidal al-Jaz'iri says, "People in Basra reject the elections. They are dominated by political forces which are not known to us—people who came from outside Iraq."
Samira says, "There will not be any democratic elections because the national convention which happened in Baghdad was just a piece of theatre. Everything was decided beforehand. After that kind of convention, you can imagine what the elections are going to be like."
Sheikh Khalil Ibrahim of Fallujah says elections will not stop the resistance. "Any election which takes place under occupation will not be a genuine, national election, and will not be accepted by the Iraqi people.
"If they impose these elections on the Iraqi people, in order to set up a permanent government which supports America and its allies, the resistance will continue."
Nidal al-Jaz'iri represents women and children's groups from the southern city of Basra. She says that in the first days after the invasion many people hoped life would improve. But these hopes were quickly dashed:
"In the south we know about the British because we were occupied by them before. Some of our main institutions were set up under British occupation in the 1920s, and there is still a British cemetery near Basra. We hoped we could cooperate with the British, but we were disappointed.
"There still has not been any real reconstruction. Non-governmental organisations came to Basra and made lots of promises, but often they just repainted the walls and made superficial repairs.
"Schools have still not been rebuilt. In many schools the roof still leaks and the floor is just mud. Children come home each day covered in dirt from the mud floor."
Ordinary people began to organise to demand improvements in basic services, like water and electricity. But, instead of listening to these demands, the British troops ignored them and their representatives.
*SNIP*
He says that after the Fallujah uprising it became clear that "cities that resist and are strong can keep the US out".
"The people of Fallujah have risen in rebellion. The Americans cannot enter large parts of the city. The Beni Tamim have also liberated Yathrib in the Baled region north of Baghdad and towns near Baquba."
The resistance has also undermined attempts by the US to sow divisions between Sunni and Shia Muslims.
Sheikh Sa'ad al-Ani of the Sufi Islamic Union of Iraq says that people from across the country helped the Fallujah resistance fighters during the April siege:
"People came from Baghdad, Najaf, and Basra to help Fallujah, and to bring us food and oxygen supplies. They came from every province of Iraq to show solidarity with us."
Sheikh Sa'ad al-Ani says the victory in Fallujah proved it was possible to defeat the Americans: "The creation of the Fallujah Brigade, which ended the siege, was a victory for Fallujah.
"The religious scholars made an agreement with representatives of the US-backed interim government to select members of the brigade from among the people of Fallujah."
The Fallujah Brigade has now joined the resistance.
Sheikh Khalil Ibrahim also dismissed claims that the country would descend into civil war if the US coalition were to withdraw:
"I am a Sunni Muslim, but the Beni Tamim is a mixture of Shia and Sunni. Do you think that as soon as the Americans leave we will start killing each other? That a father will kill his son?
"This lie about a civil war has only one purpose—to extend the occupation. We say, 'Get out! Get out of our country. America and your allies, get out of our country. If you are afraid of civil war breaking out, turn the matter over to the United Nations so that it can bring peacekeeping troops to Iraq.'
"As for the US forces they are completely rejected by every man, woman and child in Iraq, of every religious creed—Sunni, Shia, Christian, Yazidi and Sabian, Kurd and Arab."
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I think I beleive this story more than the Al Zarqawi one. Al Zarqawi was said to have died before then Nick Berg beheading, probably early this year or late last year, I forgot. But I read about his death, and it wasn't from the mainstream american news. And guess who I think was behind the Nick Berg beheading? I'll tell you that its one of these 4 or maybe a mix: Israelis (MOSSAD), US (CIA, NSA, any of those other secret service deals), UK, and Russia. There are many reasons why I think so, many others would agree, but I won't go into detail.
I spoke with someone from the military last week when he was in Iraq, it was the first time I spoke to him in a while. I asked him some questions about the resistance which made him uneasy. I asked him why if they are liberating Iraq, are Iraqis resisting. And he said "it's like a ghetto, some people like you and some people don't". I asked him who are the 'terrorists". He told me "well those are armies of.. well Im not going to say". Then I asked him how MOSSAD and the CIA are doing, (jokingly) and he said "alllrite, I can't talk to you about that and my time is up" and we said our goodbyes. So from that short conversation it's obvious that he was hiding something or at least wouldn't tell the truth upfront, most likely because he thought I already knew alot.
Although I can understand the Iraqi's resistance to the US forces, I don't really know that UN forces would do better. I think the US forces should leave, or at least... get some better people skills, lol and act out of genuine kindness and justice, not intimidation or from a chain of command in which the highest seats of power support disinformation campaigns which only help to spread division and corruption.
"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." -- Secretary of Defense William Cohen
Was Mount St. Helens WOKEN up? http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/hwoken.htm
ANUNNAKI REPORT FROM INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE TEAM: http://ivan.harhan.org/documents/2003-05-briefing-doc.txt
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ANUNNAKI REPORT FROM INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE TEAM: http://ivan.harhan.org/documents/2003-05-briefing-doc.txt
Interesting article. I don't know enough about ancient history to evaluate all the claims, but based on the parts I do know a lot about, I can tell the author is being way too simplistic, and way too quick to jump on any chance to demonize the Abrahamic religions, societies and people.
First, from what I've seen, all the societies that supposedly descended from the Annunaki were just as imperialistic and brutal as the Jews and Christians ever were. Ancient empires were all pretty much the same in that regard. So, the picture that the author is painting, of peaceful and enlightened ancient people who were brutally conquered and oppressed by YHWH and his people, is pretty inaccurate. I seem to recall that it was the "enlightened" Babylonians who conquered and enslaved the ancient Israelites, as did the Assyrians.
Secondly, I agree that there is a whole lot of questionable stuff in Jewish religion and history. I agree with the author about the barbaric practice of circumcision and all their wars of conquest, including the oppression of Palestine in the present day. However, if I were to operate within his framework, then I would have to say that YHVH's religion was infiltrated by the "forces of good" more than once. I particularly have in mind the writings of the prophets, who repeatedly rail against their people, condemning their sins and calling them to a life of good ethics and social justice. The prophets could even hold *kings* accountable without fearing for their lives -- something unprecedented in ancient times. For all its faults, there is a very strong tradition of ethics and social justice within Judaism that continues to this day.
Moving on, if I continue to operate within this framework, then I would say Jesus was also sent by the "good guys." The radical egalitarianism, social justice, love for your fellow man, and personalized spirituality he stressed certainly does not fit with the author's portrayal of YHVH. Nor is the early Christian movement, which stayed strictly peaceful and pacifistic for the better part of 500 years, until it was co-opted as the state religion of a failing Roman Empire; only *then* did it start to become violent. You would be hard pressed to find *any* religion in history with such a good track record. So, while I'm willing to entertain the idea that YHVH and the "Father" that Jesus claimed to have come from are not the same entity, and perhaps even that Jesus was sent as part of an ongoing effort to subvert and defeat YHVH's religion, that idea is as old as Gnosticism.
Lastly, I think he has it backwards about Islam originally coming from the "good guys" and later being co-opted by YHVH. I did a research paper last semester on the history and meaning of "jihad" in Islam -- suffice to say that it originated with Muhammad himself; the spreading of Islam by the sword is mandated in the Q'uran, and began very early on, as soon as they had the numbers to achieve it.
I just read that article and the author's views are very interesting to me, but I agree with you Palehorse that it is a bit one-sided. But if it's all true or not Im undecided really, and I do wish I could know the whole truth.. and like right now, lol but I think accurate history is very hard to find...but it is nice to ponder on the many views I come across.
Here's a short peice I thought was cool.
The Terrorists Of Washington City
By Michael Edward
10-3-4
I'm really sick and tired of hearing about "Terrorism" against the "United States." Granted, there is a true terrorism against America and Americans, but this is not the same "terrorism" both Kerry and Bush, and every controlled media outlet, is brain-washing America with.
Who is "al Queda" (regardless of how it's been mis-spelled by the false media) or "Bin Laden"? Both are of and in the same... formed, created, and funded by the CIA during the US Reagan Administration. This is no secret. In fact, Washington City was so proud of this in the later 1980's that they openly admitted to funding these "terrorists" from within Pakistan to fight the Russians occupying Afghanistan. Did you forget those "news reports" from a little less than 20 years ago? After all, you are now told those 1980's CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, et al, reports about funding and supporting Bin Laden or al Queda were non-existent. Talk about changing history, this is a prime example of "creative" re-writing of history.
The "U.S." [a/k/a Washington City], one of three conglomerate banking-corporate powers of the world, is the target of the alleged "worldwide terroristic" attacks. 9-11-01 proved that to be so, or so we have been told. Yes, innocent American lives were sacrificed by some group of undeniable power in the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
WHO were the terrorists and WHO were the primary targets? Are we to believe some group of Muslims from the Middle East, who could barely pilot a single engine basic training aircraft - a Cessna 150 - at Venice (Florida) Airport, blew up both towers of the NYC World Trade Center piloting Boeing multi-engine Pratt & Whitney 2 stage fan-turbine powered commercial passenger aircraft?
Yes, there is no doubt what-so-ever that Washington City and those behind the "U.S." are under attack. But please let me remind you that they are not America. If you were born on this land, you are an American, NOT a "U.S. CITIZEN" of the District of Columbia or its Territories. If you were born on this land, you are a birthright American just as a North American Indian is, and not a Corporate Citizen of the banking powers that currently control and had first created Washington City.
Why do I call the "District of Columbia" Washington City? Because at the start of the un-Civil War in North America, both the North and the South referred to that place on the Potomac River as Washington City in all book and newspaper accounts. Before that, the 13 Colonies who revolted from English Rule also referred to that same geographical place with the same term.
Americans don't need to grow up or wise up to the truth... they just need to read the accurate historical records hidden within small cities and towns. Start with local small town American newspaper archives. Even better, go further back to the Philadelphia archives of Benjamin Franklin's "The Aurora" newspaper and find out what a Jacobian is.
America is under a very realistic terroristic attack, but Muslims and Islam are not the attackers any more than Hindus or Christians are. While Washington City spews out its fabrications about 911 and Iraq, along with the created fear about how "America" needs to protect itself against "terrorism," the truth is that Washington City is under attack and America is not.
There is a difference between the true America and the false America. What Washington City represents is not America. That's why the real America is not under attack from "terrorists." That's why the purported Islamic "terrorists" fingered by Washington City have never attacked the land that is the real America.
In order to create a "terroristic war" that reaches its tendrils into world political governments, as well as every local town, you have to continually create un-catchable, un-reachable, and un-accountable terrorists. Washington City has done just that. Their "terrorists" will never be caught, and their "war on terrorism" will never end. Why is this? Simply because a "war" against an un-seen "enemy" can never be won nor lost... especially if you are the one creating your own enemy and your own war. Read the book "1984" to see how well this can work if the people allow it to become a reality in their local society.
If the true America is under attack, it does not come from purported Islamic fanatics or "terrorists" whom the powers and creators of Washington City claim are our enemy. America is under attack from within our own land, from a city that is not a State, and from powers that have raped Americans of their sustinence for nearly 100 years.
Yes, a "terrorist" war exists in America... and our true enemy is not the purported "terrorist" enemy of Washington City: Our true enemy is that which created Washington City itself.
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ok so I get off topic with some of these articles... but I like exposing truth.
There won't be anymore web-bot runs as the halfpasthuman.com owner is not going to do the web-bot thing.. because of financial problems supposedly. But why shut down something that is providing income? Anyway, there are reasons why financial problems would be the case, I just think otherwise.
I think by November 2nd I think there is a high potential of getting some more web-bot hit reports, so I'd like to have this thread open and until then I will post whatever news articles I feel I should post.
September 27, 2004
Government Approved
Journalism in the age of terror
By Maya Schenwar
In August, I attended the first-ever "News and Terrorism: Communicating in a Crisis" conference, the Chicago kick-off of a year of counterterrorism workshops geared toward journalists in 10 major cities, sponsored by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The keynote speaker was none other than the DHS head honcho himself, Mr. Tom Ridge.
As we settled into our seats, the late-arriving Ridge laid forth our mission: "We're going to work together to achieve some common goals," Ridge informed us. "There may be a time when your audience needs more than just the story."
Journalists, according to Ridge, are the "constant reminders of the freedom of expression we all enjoy." Nonetheless, when it comes to terrorism, everyone could use a few tips from the good old DHS. The goal of the day, Ridge said, would be to provide the press with a "detailed playbook" for responding to crisis, providing journalists with the strategies and (government-affiliated) contacts needed to deal with a terrorist scenario. "A consistent message to the public is critical."
It's a difficult task, freely expressing the "consistent message" you've been fed by the feds. We needed instruction. Thus, along with a hundred other Chicago-area journalists, government officials and public health officers, I underwent two hours of interactive crisis response role-playing, following the minute-by-minute details of a make-believe terrorist scenario involving mass casualties, radiation, George W. Bush's daughter and the wife of one of the reporters. City officials granted the unnamed Bush daughter privileged status, carting her out of the danger zone, despite the quarantine in effect. The reporter's wife, who'd called his cell phone while he was "on-scene," was left to bleed in the street. Nervous laughter ensued, but in times like this, the journalists agreed, one must think in terms of the "public good." Conspicuously absent from the scenario, however, was any mention of the numbers of people dying. The actual toll on human life was left to the ambiguous description, "mass casualty event."
Throughout the role play, journalists were encouraged to call on experts, to think critically about when to release information to the public, and to ask who, what, when, where-everything but why. The role of the press, said moderator John McWethy of ABC News, is to accurately report information as government officials release it. In other words, in a state of emergency, the media morph into a PR department for Washington. Each speaker emphasized that business, government and the media all must learn how to function in crisis mode. And in crisis mode, baby, we're all in the system together.
Take, for instance, Ridge's assessment of the DHS's color-coded terror alert plan: "It's a signal, like a traffic light is a signal, that we expect a certain conduct from you." Apparently, such conduct includes leaving one's wife bleeding in the street because the news must go on, and remaining in quarantined areas even under the threat of radiation-unless your papa's the president, that is.
Although a few journalists asked for procedural clarifications ("What's the protocol for a pregnant reporter covering a radiation crisis?"), real questions were markedly absent from the conference. Does the press have a responsibility to seek out the roots of terror, or to weigh the various complex factors involved in international terrorist scenarios? Nope, according to Ridge. "Our job is to eliminate confusion," he said. Goodbye, gray zone. Hello, unthinking certainty.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1135/
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Originally posted by Quiet Storm
I just read that article and the author's views are very interesting to me, but I agree with you Palehorse that it is a bit one-sided. But if it's all true or not Im undecided really, and I do wish I could know the whole truth.. and like right now, lol but I think accurate history is very hard to find...but it is nice to ponder on the many views I come across.
Well, I'm always willing (maybe TOO willing [:D]) to discuss my perspective on my field of study, which I think often ties into a lot of things we discuss here. Modern mainstream scholarship may have its biases and flaws, but it'd be a huge mistake to throw it out completely IMO.
On that note, another thing I forgot to bring up about the circumcision issue, is that evidence has shown that the Egyptians were doing it long before the Hebrews came on to the scene. Based on that fact, it's a theory of mine that the Hebrew slaves were forcibly circumcised by the Egyptians in a display of subjugation... then later on, the Hebrews wrote it into the Abraham story as a way to cope and turn the tables on what had to be a devastating and extremely painful humiliation. A growing number of "Jews against circumcision" have even pointed out that circ. is rather out of place among the body of Jewish ethics and law, including one that forbids marking or mutilating the body "like the heathens do."
It's just unfortunate that the ritual became so ingrained in Judaism that the cycle of mutilation continued generation after generation, and is an extremely difficult one to break. After all, if such a thing was done to you, then not doing it to your own son would mean admitting, on some level, that a huge mistake was made... and most people just aren't willing or able to do that. That's why you'll see secular atheistic Jews who don't attend synagogue, and don't give any thought to Jewish ritual or law... but will look at you like you have three heads if you question them on circumcising their kids. We see the exact same thing with female genital mutilation in some Muslim and African countries, and Americans usually give the same rationale (he should look like his daddy!) for circumcising their own kids as well.
I think this is a lot more significant of an issue than most people realize, though. I mean, if you "welcome" an infant into the world by forcibly amputating the most sensitive part of his anatomy without any anesthetic, what effect do you think that'll have on his developing brain and psyche? What do you think his first impressions will be of the world, of how secure his safety is, of how much people are to be trusted?
IMO, the fact that the three biggest circumcising cultures in the world (Jewish, Muslim and American) are at the center of the world's main sources of conflict, and are the most militant in general, may be no coincidence.
So why is it that I can access individual threads but I get that silly our server is down message when I try and access the actual forum listing?
interesting that we can still post even though the server is no working
and
what an interesting time for it to happen at.
heh
I'll just post the relevant information I got from the web:
What is coming, when you look at the latest web bot run from <www.halfpasthuman.com> is something approaching a major social revolution in the month of September but becoming universally apparent by the beginning of November, but it´s not the US elections. What it is is major social change of a scale rivaling or perhaps exceeding post 9/11 events:
"The nature of the shift is not yet clear, but we do have certain
clues. Our aspects include much more cooperative language, and
much less language of conflict. Now, this is not to say the
interpretation is for global peace to suddenly break-out. Rather the
sense we are getting is that a sea-change in social point-of-view is
occurring now. The effects of the change in social consciousness
will become evident over the next few months. "
To reiterate what we told subscribers last weekend: There´s something pretty big coming between September 2 and September 10 which will be emerging into consciousness around September 23 and which will be fully in the public´s mind by November 1st. This has shown up in almost 6-months of data runs. No, it´s not the elections - and whatever it is, it will have impacts lasting past March of 2005 and there´s a "water aspect" to the period after the event.
http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
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WEB BOT UPDATE!
So what would fit with the web bot´s predicted huge lifestyle change coming this fall to a world near you? Remember, that whatever it is will start becoming visible around August 25th at the very "tip of the iceberg level" and will percolate into the public awareness by the end of September with pretty much universal recognition by November 1st? Matt Savinar over at www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net spied this interesting report: Cantarell, the second largest oilfield in the world down in Mexico, is reported on it´s last legs!
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/cantarell.htm We´ve already alerted you to Chip Haynes New Colonist article "Ghawar is dying" article. http://www.newcolonist.com/ghawar.html and the bumper stickers they´re selling: http://www.newcolonist.com/store.html#ghawar_sticker As Savinar notes: "Samsam Bakhtiari - the Iranian oil expert - has said he thinks oil will be $125 [per barrel] within in two years. " Our worry: if not sooner.
Meantime, the Fed´s use of the term transitory is looking gumber by the day./
Cliff at www.halfpasthuman.com has posted the second installment of data slicing from current web bot runs. Entities emerging from the data:
• "Bloody Tears (Economy- global)"
• "Populace (Digesting Bad News, Economic Standstill, Crossing Dark Waters)"
• "Terra (Storms and Watery Separations)"
More detail is coming:
"As the model develops, we do see that events in September will impact oil/energy both in availability and prices.
Also we note that a ´coup´ soon supported by a general popular uprising within the Moslem world (currently interpreted as Iraq) will lead to the ´pushing´ of the ´establishment´ into the sea after a short, bloody battle costly to both sides.
As more data will arrive for a number of days we will necessarily be dumping and re-processing the model repeatedly. This will lead to augmentations of the discussions of these entities as we continue into parts 3 and 4. We will push on to part 3 as soon as the data run is complete on the 19th."
Sobering stuff, huh?
http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
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Info on web-bots here: http://urbansurvival.com/simplebots.htm
This site might also be interesting to you all:
Cyberspace and the Great Shift in Consciousness http://www.kirael.com/KSR/ksr0804.html
Veccolo, sorry this took so long for me to reply to, been busy, plus the forums thing, yeah. Anyway.
So, I think its pretty much a given these events happen, and even often times together. I think you are either missing the point, or dont want to accept what is in front of you.
Its easy, even since the last response things have been on a continious slide. Im not one of those people who calls out the signs of something without any given reason, nor do I jump at silly notions of demons or such things. I dont give my faith easily. I dont swiftly take a course of action without realizing every consequence, or at least all those comprehensible to me. I dont justify everything with religious providence, nor do I fall to my knees in prayer when one catastrophe occurs.
The simplist way I can say it, is that I dont know what to expect. I dont personally hope for one outcome or another.
I do however realize that within the past two to three months pieces having been steadily falling into place. Its not hard to see in changing the channels or even going outside and observing others around you, that the world is in flux.
No doubt it has been for centuries and centuries, but never in any time in history, have all these things occured with the intensity, with the relentlessness, in such a short period of time while the world has the ability to watch and even interact. Never.
It is also interesting to note, and this is the kicker, that all these things are happening within the time frame of so many apocalyptic prophecies. Huh, thats odd in itself.
And third, everything IS a sign. Everything. If you dont believe that then there is no real reason to believe that signs even exist at all. My next breath is the reason Ill continue to live to see a motorist get killed in a car accident, or to save a childs life, or to recieve an epiphany from reading a simple chapter in a book, or seeing something on tv that will allow me to react differently to my environment, or petting my dog which in turn may keep him from being outside for a short enough time to keep him from being killed by a falling tree, or not tying my shoelace well enough so that I have to stop and bend down to tie it later resulting in a steel girder to fall and crush me, or to catch that phone call before I leave for school or work which will tell me that I dont have work or school to go to which may lead me to write a beautiful prose on my time off and get accepted for a scholarship, or on and on and on it goes.
Everything that happens around us is a sign, and does change something, even if it is a miniscule change or interuption. One must be blind to think the world will be the same in the next year.
We are getting a new president, a hero and symbol of human courage over tragedy has passed away, thousands of people are dead in Haiti, Helens is expected to blow, elections in iraq and afghanistan are taking place(hopefully?), more people continue to rebel against the democratic plague seeping into Iraq, yet many are turning their weapons in now, billions of dollars in damage has yet to be completely assessed in all the hurricane hit states, especially florida, do I need to go on?
How can you not think these things mean anything?
I never said that these things would lead to an apocalypse, and I wouldnt be surprised if they did, but I dont expect that. I expect change.
I think you read too much into someones comprehension and mistake it for nievity.
I forsee many things happening, and not just because people have prophecied things, but because we all to a degree contain delphic insight, common sense and intuition. These three things help guide us along the blind river.
It doesnt take much for someone to just wave off an inclination or idea, but it takes humility to say what others may laugh at.
Quote from: AileronVeccolo, sorry this took so long for me to reply to, been busy, plus the forums thing, yeah. Anyway.
No problem.
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So, I think its pretty much a given these events happen, and even often times together. I think you are either missing the point, or dont want to accept what is in front of you.
Maybe I miss your point.
But MY point is: The events mentioned here (not the exact same events of course) happened over and over again in the past - and they happen now.
In the past, nothing changed which would be worth mentioning. Why should it now?
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Its easy, even since the last response things have been on a continious slide. Im not one of those people who calls out the signs of something without any given reason, nor do I jump at silly notions of demons or such things. I dont give my faith easily. I dont swiftly take a course of action without realizing every consequence, or at least all those comprehensible to me. I dont justify everything with religious providence, nor do I fall to my knees in prayer when one catastrophe occurs.
Yes, I realize that now, thanks for clearing that up. The problem was, a specific passage in one of your posts made me think that way. I apologize for that.
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The simplist way I can say it, is that I dont know what to expect. I dont personally hope for one outcome or another.
Neither do I. Personally, I only hope people mankind will reduce the useless violence in future. That's all I'd like to see.
QuoteI do however realize that within the past two to three months pieces having been steadily falling into place. Its not hard to see in changing the channels or even going outside and observing others around you, that the world is in flux.
I don't see anything happen which would indicate that "pieces fall into place", but that's my opinion of course.
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No doubt it has been for centuries and centuries, but never in any time in history, have all these things occured with the intensity, with the relentlessness, in such a short period of time while the world has the ability to watch and even interact. Never.
It is also interesting to note, and this is the kicker, that all these things are happening within the time frame of so many apocalyptic prophecies. Huh, thats odd in itself.
I don't think those events are in any way more intense than the events of the past. I actually think it's the other way round.
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And third, everything IS a sign. Everything.
Yes, but not everything is a sign for a "big change" or anything like that. That's what I mean.
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Everything that happens around us is a sign, and does change something, even if it is a miniscule change or interuption. One must be blind to think the world will be the same in the next year.
Yes, the world is in a constant change.
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We are getting a new president, a hero and symbol of human courage over tragedy has passed away, thousands of people are dead in Haiti, Helens is expected to blow, elections in iraq and afghanistan are taking place(hopefully?), more people continue to rebel against the democratic plague seeping into Iraq, yet many are turning their weapons in now, billions of dollars in damage has yet to be completely assessed in all the hurricane hit states, especially florida, do I need to go on?
Comparable things happened in the last century many times, and many of them also happened together.
QuoteHow can you not think these things mean anything?
That's because similar things already happened so often, and nothing did change. Nothing important, at least.
QuoteI never said that these things would lead to an apocalypse, and I wouldnt be surprised if they did, but I dont expect that. I expect change.
I think you read too much into someones comprehension and mistake it for nievity.
I never said that you said they would lead to one. The apocalypse was just an example for a really big event.
The problem was, as I said above, that I misunderstood a specific passage in the text in one of your posts. The passage was:
"It may be normal that each of these things happen, but when, in any lifetime has a war raged while four hurricanes within a little over a month occur and earthquakes begin erupting, volcanoes start becoming a little more active again, asteroids pass by the earth, floods and plague begin killing thousands, uniting global economy is an issue, political elections that may result in more bloodshed are taking place in more than one country, and instant communication is reaching another peak in the world technology market(ie IBMs new supercomputer)???
I mean, we can only ask for so much right?"
I understood it the way that you think those events are extremely unusual. Because of that, I reasoned that you believe those events mean something, and with all the maniacs around who believe the apocalypse is near, I assumed you think those things mean something like that. That's why I tried to point out that those events aren't that unusual when compared with similiar events of the past.
Again, I apologize for making (false) assumptions.
Hi, Veccolo & Aileron & everybody....been a while but glad we all made it back ..... I like the discussion you too are having about changes. I agree with Aileron that change happens - always and yet there are some constants such as the sun rising and the violence of mankind.
Although, Veccolo, I do not understand how you can say inspite of all the changes in history, nothing has changed. If that were true, I would be a slave or serf somewhere today. Likely, so would you. If that were true, there would be no Red Cross or other relief agencies....there didn't used to be any thing like it or Doctors Without Borders or even the Sierra Club.
Oh, sure, most of us are "wage slaves" of one sort or another, but there are some choices as to how we make that wage and what we do with it.
If that were true, there would be no concept of a government being answerable to its people instead of the king owning all the people.
These sorts of changes came over hundreds of years and not easily. Things we take for granted were fought and died for many times in many places and will continue to be fought and died for in the years to come.
Also, our definition of freedom may change and it does mean different things in different places. Some people in the world think we in the USA have too much freedom....some here think we do not have enough. For sure, any privacy we ever had is gone - the internet is a wonderful thing, but private it is not....nor are any of our medical, work, school, or financial records. Anyone who wants to find out about someone badly enough can. Its all there for the person who knows how to get at it.
I do believe that will become a real issue of the next 10 years and no one is really willing to take it on.
But back to change....we are changing astrological ages - out with the Age of Pisces and in with the Age of Aquarius which may take a few hundred years to transition into. 2000 years ago the Roman Empire ruled Europe and northern Africa, the Han Empire ruled Asia, and the Mayans, Aztecs and Incans ruled most of the Western hemisphere. 500 years later - well into the Age of Pisces, all that had collapsed one way or another.
We can only guess at the changes the next 100 years will bring the world -and no doubt some will be wonderful and some will be horrendous because mankind seems to be a blend of both extremes.
Some changes are lasting ones and sometimes they are for the good of everyone. The forces of history sometimes do have a movement all its own. When ideas gain momentum, they make take generations to work they way into the fabric of daily life, but eventually, they do take root somewhere and in sometime. And if somebody didn't have a good idea a few hundred years ago, none of us would even be free enough to even be on the internet or wealthy enough to have access to a computer.
I am always fascinated by people's responses to change, even my own. I am usually resistant to it because I like stability. But once I catch onto the changes, I find a way to adjust and live with the changes. Don't you find that people get easily bored when things stay the same and yet get easily afraid when change happens too rapidly or unexpectedly?
Like it or not, change is coming.....my "senses" tell me big time....but I could be wrong and often am. :lol:
Hey people,
We're back! I'm back with a slightly different name though, I couldn't get the original to work yet.
halfphased: I agree this was eerily timed. Couple days ago there were reports that FBI seized Indymedia servers in the UK and US, 20 other 'anti-war' servers. They couldn't do much with the Indymedia servers because they had to be returned after the owners went to court. 8)
Palehorse: :lol: I agree, those Yehuvians love a naked penis... :o
Others: About the changes thing, change is inevitable. I do feel a life-changing event is coming this year at least in my life. That pretty much covers alot in that context heheh, but I think it's not a matter of if but when, as reguards to when you all know I think pretty soon.
Needless to say, there's much that went on while we were gone and you all know pretty much why your here.
Here are 2 things that might serve interest though:
Oazaki has been posting at another forum. Link: http://forum.prophecies.us/index.php?sid=cee82568284e9492824c9335fcac1164
http://www.katkam.ca
Here there are some pictures of a some planetary body right next to the sun, if you'd look at Thursday's gallery of pics towards the bottom where it shows the sunset pictures.
That pretty much covers it. I'll be posting more when I have the time to.
Hi Jenadots
Quote from: JenadotsAlthough, Veccolo, I do not understand how you can say inspite of all the changes in history, nothing has changed. If that were true, I would be a slave or serf somewhere today. Likely, so would you. If that were true, there would be no Red Cross or other relief agencies....there didn't used to be any thing like it or Doctors Without Borders or even the Sierra Club.
I didn't say nothing changed. Changes happen, sometimes even bigger ones, but that isn't of much use if those changes aren't permanent. With permanent I mean, that, if we changed from A (bad) to B (better), we should have learned a bit so we won't go back. But the tendency we have now, is, that we drift back to A. Slowly, but steadily. History tends to repeat itself.
You could argue that the biggest and "best" change was democracy itself. I would agree with that if we had a democracy. What we have today is that: We elect some people who normally should represent OUR interests (democracy), but instead they do their OWN thing (no democracy), or the thing of the "economy". But I agree, it's at least a little bit better than a few hundred years ago.
But something important didn't change: The mentality of people. The majority of people is still selfish and not helpful. Many are violent, too.
Why do people in the "civilized" west world not spend one dollar each month? Most people could afford one dollar, many even more. This way, you'd get several hundred million dollars for the poor countries, and that each month. Or why doesn't the US halve it's budget for the military of several hundred billion dollars a year, so the saved money can be used to help fixing major problems in the own country and other, more poor places
Why do people not interfere if someone gets beaten up in the front of their eyes? They either watch, or just walk away. People who help are extremely rare. Why do people use violence for the dumbest reasons? I just can't understand it.
The system might have changed, but not it's people. They only adapted to the new environment. That's what I see when I follow the events of the world.
QuoteOh, sure, most of us are "wage slaves" of one sort or another, but there are some choices as to how we make that wage and what we do with it.
But still many people can't choose what to do with it. They have to pay the rent for the house/apartment, for the food, electricity, water, and so on. Many (if not most) people have nothing or not much left after that. If they choose to not pay their bills, it will get very problematic. Plus, they'd take the money anyway, thanks to bank accounts.
QuoteIf that were true, there would be no concept of a government being answerable to its people instead of the king owning all the people.
I personally don't see much difference here. What good is a government which "listens" to it's people, but doesn't act in the way they want?
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These sorts of changes came over hundreds of years and not easily. Things we take for granted were fought and died for many times in many places and will continue to be fought and died for in the years to come.
Indeed.
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Also, our definition of freedom may change and it does mean different things in different places. Some people in the world think we in the USA have too much freedom....some here think we do not have enough. For sure, any privacy we ever had is gone - the internet is a wonderful thing, but private it is not....nor are any of our medical, work, school, or financial records. Anyone who wants to find out about someone badly enough can. Its all there for the person who knows how to get at it.
I do believe that will become a real issue of the next 10 years and no one is really willing to take it on.
Indeed. I can't understand it myself. Privacy (in every way) is one of the most important things in my opinion. Recently I just told my parents that they plan to save our genetic features for whatever reason. "They will have their reasons for it." ... What the hell?
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But back to change....we are changing astrological ages - out with the Age of Pisces and in with the Age of Aquarius which may take a few hundred years to transition into. 2000 years ago the Roman Empire ruled Europe and northern Africa, the Han Empire ruled Asia, and the Mayans, Aztecs and Incans ruled most of the Western hemisphere. 500 years later - well into the Age of Pisces, all that had collapsed one way or another.
Yes, and it will happen again. And than we start over and live in similar ways until it happens again ... and so on, and so on. Imho a strange way of change.
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We can only guess at the changes the next 100 years will bring the world -and no doubt some will be wonderful and some will be horrendous because mankind seems to be a blend of both extremes.
Indeed.
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Some changes are lasting ones and sometimes they are for the good of everyone. The forces of history sometimes do have a movement all its own. When ideas gain momentum, they make take generations to work they way into the fabric of daily life, but eventually, they do take root somewhere and in sometime. And if somebody didn't have a good idea a few hundred years ago, none of us would even be free enough to even be on the internet or wealthy enough to have access to a computer.
Yes, but the question is: How long will it last? The current system is doomed to fail. That's no news though, smart people knew it would fail many decades ago. Back then it weren't that obvious, but now it is.
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I am always fascinated by people's responses to change, even my own. I am usually resistant to it because I like stability. But once I catch onto the changes, I find a way to adjust and live with the changes. Don't you find that people get easily bored when things stay the same and yet get easily afraid when change happens too rapidly or unexpectedly?
Indeed, but as you pointed out before, changes (the big ones) don't happen rapidly. Most changes, actually, can easily be predicted when following the current events and make some comparisons with similar events of the past.
Most people just don't do that, or can't do that. Because of that, they are totally surprised when the change takes place, or when they realize that something has already changed.
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Like it or not, change is coming.....my "senses" tell me big time....but I could be wrong and often am. :lol:
Yes I know. I just don't think that it will be an apocalypse, like many people (especially in this kind of forums) tend to believe. The current system will fail, or at least change in dramatic ways not known yet, but that is nothing unexpected.
Good to see you (and everyone) back, QS.
While AP has been down, I've been thinking... and have begun to wonder if something really huge isn't barely holding itself back (or being held back by God knows who), and maybe not for much longer. For so long, we've been seeing all these *potential* cataclysms and disasters... we all hold our breath, the dates come and go, and the threat passes. And I'm not just talking about Oazaki either... I'm talking about observable things like Toutatis (sp?) Mt. St. Helens, rumblings here in CA, etc. So far, Florida has really been the only big hit. But there definitely seems to be a lot of tension building, to the point that the earth itself is rumbling just beneath the surface. While it's nice that there hasn't been anything hugely catastrophic (apart from poor Florida), I can't help but wonder if every false alarm doesn't bring us that much closer to the breaking point.
My other thought though... is what if all this pent up energy could be used toward mankind's benefit? Would it be possible for a person to take some of this tension into himself and convert it into equally powerful positive energy? Would it even be wise for the average person to try? I don't know the answer to that, but someone more proficient in energy manipulation might. For all I know, there are probably lots of people working toward something like that already. 'Tis just something I've been thinking about.
Why nearly everyone on this forum is talking about some change that has to come this year? At first there was only Oazaki and people posting on this thread, now half of forums is discussing it...
I do not know why Oazaki has started again his deceiving and seeding fear on another forum, but I laughed really hard at things he is saying. Only thing that concerns me is that his knowledge about astrology is very good, and dates that he gave are also mentioned by many others astrologers. For more info look at this thread: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14725
and this site:
http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/
I think that I've found out what Oazaki's plans are....
Quote from: PalehorseFor so long, we've been seeing all these *potential* cataclysms and disasters... we all hold our breath, the dates come and go, and the threat passes... I can't help but wonder if every false alarm doesn't bring us that much closer to the breaking point.
So now the fact that things
haven't happened is in itself evidence that something is going to happen? ;)
Quote from: CaCoDeMoNI do not know why Oazaki has started again his deceiving and seeding fear on another forum
Because that's what he does. He travels from place to place, making claims until the weight of failure becomes a little too heavy and then he moves on, from OccultForums to Darkforums to AstralPulse and now elsewhere. He's a nomad. He's like The Littlest Hobo only without the stringent moral code and cool theme tune.
Quote from: CaCoDeMoNOnly thing that concerns me is that his knowledge about astrology is very good
Apparently not good enough to prevent him getting banned from an astrological forum for, again, making claims that he couldn't back up.
I must admit he is amusing though, I took a look at a few of his posts over at his new home, and the first I read involved him mentioning dates, asking people for their opinions about what might happen on those dates, and then saying "Yes, correct!" when they answered. He's a hoot.
And we have a new date for the transition: October the 26th. Fingers crossed this time people.
QuoteSo now the fact that things haven't happened is in itself evidence that something is going to happen?
Not as such. I don't claim to know what, if anything is *going* to happen. All I'm saying is that all these near-misses give one a sense of a building tension in the world, and I'm wondering if the energy being generated is going to make the one that finally does come through (as it's almost statistically guaranteed sooner or later) all that much more dramatic as a result.
Actually, about Oazaki's predictions: I can't say that any of the mentioned prediction dates have failed indefinately, because he gave legit reasons, 'excuses' if you will about all of them.
This he sent to me earlier this month, it pretty much covers all that and more:
QuoteWell I think you know what's up and where it's all going really. And yeah it would be nice to have some more external confirmation but hey, the second sun is pretty obvious. Do note that as I said a while back, privately in e-mail to you, the first major external sign in all this which will be known to the world at large is the darkening of the skies in mid-October. As regards Bush not dying and the reasons there, this excerpt from an e-mail I sent someone else recently should explain some of it for you:
Well, as you've probably heard by now the scientists have discovered
this Solar system's second Sun and that knowledge has now moved into
the public domain. A simple google on "second sun" will now pull up a
whole load of links, some with pics. Further, as you may be aware if
you followed my whole "Oazaki" spectacle this was predicted back in
May of this year. The relevant thread was "The Year 2004:prediction"
on www.astralpulse.com/forums, which was, however, deleted a while
back. Nevertheless, it can still be found in google's cache. Also,
in a few days when I return to Cyprus, I'll be able, if you like, to
e-mail you the first 30 pages or so of that thread as a (rather long)
word document. For there's more coming than just the second sun, and
all in the month of October.
Now, the important thing to realise is that I not only predicted this
ahead of anybody else, I actually CAUSED IT. How you ask? By
starting that thread on a day with a Sun-Uranus planetary eclipse
which, as you probably know, using the Magi symbolisms for the
planets, means: a reconizedly succesful (Uranus, which rules
recognition) prediction (Sun, the native itself). Hence, for the
natal chart of the prediction thread to hold, what was predicted had
to come to pass. Ain't electional astrology wonderful when you REALLY
know how to use it? Kind of like a clever trick, but one based on the
application of the laws of creation and, therefore, inviolable.
There's more to it of course and a whole lot of stuff ties in to this,
but more on that later if you're interested. At this point it might
interest you to know that a lot of the mystical work which went into
bringing about what is coming I did with Alia, who I believe
you know and whose power I think you've got some intuitive sense of.
So you could contact her for more details on this in the meantime if
you like.
It might also interest you to know that I publicized the 13/11/2003
"terrorist attack" thing on a thread started on a day when Uranus was
in inharmonious aspect to the Sun, which interprets as: an infamous,
unsuccesful (Uranus in hard aspect) prediction (sun, the native
itself). Ain't astrology wonderful?
As to what else is coming: fall of the world's governments, transition
to 4D for a whole load of people (the site www.cassiopaea.org has more
on the various densities of creation and what they're like if you're
interested in investigating this aspect of it further), and the
complete and utter destruction of this 3D planet and the subsuquent
recreation / reincarnation of all life on it on three seperate,
"parallel Earths".
Yes I know it's all fairly extreme. But it is also all completely
consistent with the relevant astrological symbolisms (and either
astrology works or it doesn't, right? It does work though, as I think
you know for yourself) and has already begun to come to pass. The
rest, incidentally, follows as October unfolds. And it was all
achieved, externally at least, through the use of judiciously timed
words and teachings. Now perhaps that passage from Revelations
becomes clear:
Revelation 19
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should
smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he
treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Not that I'm Christian you understand. But this design spans the
incarnations and the millenia and goes very high indeed.
"The Death of George W Bush" thread over on darkforums was also started on a day when Uranus was in hard aspect to the sun btw. Why would I do this? Well because Cheney is the real bonker and it was necessary to keep him out of the picture and in the background as long as possible for, with his stepping into the presidential seat, many highly unsavoury possibilities would have opened up. Indeed, it was the illuminati's plan to actually arrange Bush's assissination themselves to put Cheney into power and pass more anti-terrorism laws, repressive measures, wars, etc. So instead I took control of the relevant gateways and made them all inactive through the judicious use of timing, prediction and the fulfillment in this context of the relevant laws of creation. Before doing that I might add I also caused Bush's death esoterically. Yet before that working could activate I caused it to be delayed through that thread. As a consequence the relevant karma was held back and got heavier and heavier such that when it is given the oppurtunity to express ( in October I'm thinking) it will do so very powerfully and dramatically indeed and in a very painful, suffering-filled, heavy, heavy karma type of way. Small beginnings, big, big effects.
and here's another one for more clarification:
Quote"Was it your agenda from the beginning of your design
to deceive everyone to give you energy to work with to
do what you have caused in the creation?"
Not quite, though I did know that would be how it panned out because from October 2003 to July 2004 I had transits which meant that everybody would view me an unfavourable, negative light; said light / perspective being incorrect of course as in fact what i am and what i was doing was very, very positive. Yet only those who had transcended materiality in some way, were able to see beyond the illusion rather than have their beliefs dictated to them by cyclicality's movements. Yet this illusion that I was just a nutcase was useful in that in meant that those opposed underestimated me and so, firstly, didn't try too much to interfere with my work and secondly, more importantly, choose their path in accordance with that perception of me as per the choices I laid before them. Most relevantly in this context was the case with the illuminati where the choice laid before them was to give me 10 billion euros and obey my commands or be annihilated on every level. Now they weren't going to give me such amounts if they thought I was just a crackpot who could offer them nothing nor annihilate them as promised. So, by their own hand, they choose their destrcuction. And such would not have been possible if they had had that choice presented to them at a time when they took me seriously.. Or if they'd transcended materiality and cyclicality themselves and could see beyond it, but I knew such was the case.
Technically though, I have told a single lie or untruth, including the "failed dates". Each and every time I told the exact and precise truth, just in such a way that those who had stuff to work would misinterpret things and so mislead themselves through their own hands. Which brings us nicely to the next point:
"I went back and read every single post you did in the
beginning when you were posting things at
occultforums.com satanist.net darkforums, and also the
earlier posts in AP. I noticed that when I read the
predictions you made beforehand it felt like you
honestly did beleive that on the dates/months you said
things were going to happen they actually were going
to happen.
You stated that in march/april/may/early june things
would happen. In the beginning when you said things
would happen during those months were you absolutely
aware that nothing was going to happen? Or did that
awareness come later when you realized that it was
going to happen more gradually and the posts that were
posted from then on were going to be essential to get
the remaining work done?"
In fact, what was said to occur on those dates did actually occur on those dates, that is to say that those dates were the gateways through which their occurrence was initiated. The thing I did not mention was that I myself had not surrendered to the laws of creation at the time and, as such, they would not work for me nor for my works. This way, I was able to delay the occurrence of the events, and subsequently cause them to occur "retroactively" by surrendering to the laws of creation later, end of July in fact (after 26th July gateway). By so doing, the laws of creation would then activate and begin to work to bring about the fulfillment of my design using gateways now past. Again it's playing with the time-flows except from a 3D perspective, just like releasing excerpts from a book due for publication in 2005 was (chakra posts and stuff). Except here I'm accessing the past from the present instead of the future from the present. Yeah, it is weird stuff I do, I know.
About the 'fear' thing. I don't think HE is the one spreading the fear. I don't think he intends to spread fear, he is just stating what he thinks will happen, and why. The decision to be fearful of what will happen is up to the reader.
QuoteNameless said:
Apparently not good enough to prevent him getting banned from an astrological forum for, again, making claims that he couldn't back up.
Occultforums was not an astrological forum only. Oh and other forums he was banned from did not only cover astroligy either.
So again... the interpretation is for us to decide.
Yes, the big "O" is up to his old tricks again on another forum and this time he is offering a healing center too....
I did have to chuckle at his prediction of no more money after November. But considering his past record of nothing much happening which he then says he changed or delayed -- don't burn your dollars yet.
And of course, there is no next year for mankind on planet earth and George W deserves to die and will in October.
And just a wee bit of his how-dare-you-question-me temper beginning to show with the usual advice to do some research or you are just too beneath him to understand.
In other words, anything that happens - he caused it and anything that doesn't happen - he stopped it.
He sure is persistent, tho.
QuotePalehorse said: All I'm saying is that all these near-misses give one a sense of a building tension in the world, and I'm wondering if the energy being generated is going to make the one that finally does come through (as it's almost statistically guaranteed sooner or later) all that much more dramatic as a result.
For this I'm going to use cut and paste again... it's easier that way for me to explain what I think is going on with the 'tension' you describe, or moreso the mental focus on the developing events.
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AVisitor wrote:
Oazaki, I am not saying this to be critical in any way, but I am picking up a sense that what you are asking for is not exactly what you are looking for... I really can't explain this, other than I sense some other purpose in your requests for discussion/info. than what appears on the surface.
Just a feeling I have and probably nothing important. Not meant as a negative comment, just an observation.
and:
revanoriega wrote:
Also to a visitor re: your post to osaki, i had a very similiar feeling
Yes, you're both right, I am playing a somewhat deeper game here than is initially apparent. Nevertheless, I am interested in hearing what you all get on this and my request on that front was a true one. It's just that all my motions, and the motivations they spring from, operate at more than one level of being, all consistent between each btw. For example, one of the other things I was trying to do here was to turn people's attention to certain windows of time and get them thinking, feeling and investigating for themselves on it all. Another thing I was doing was redirecting the expression of some of the karma of that which is coming to pass from the physical occurence of the events to the mental focus upon them. Regarding this, now that it is all inviolably set and everything I can afford to soften it a little, so as to make the dramatic stuff a bit gentler when it does come, for the majority of humanity. Though not for those in, above and behind the governments who've abused and manipulated humanity for aeons to serve their own petty ends I assure you. For them it remains full force, and will NOT be softened, at all. Indeed, through the continuing actions of their own hands they're making that which comes to them harder, more painful and more suffering-filled even as we speak. Which gives me a certain grim satisfaction I must say...
all the best,
Oazaki.
SO basically, the mental focus is being done so that we can mentally choose and work out more profitable outcomes for ourselves (and the creation as a whole if you will) for when in the case that oazaki's predictions are coming true.
Quote from: Quiet_StormActually, about Oazaki's predictions: I can't say that any of the mentioned prediction dates have failed indefinately, because he gave legit reasons, 'excuses' if you will about all of them.
How do you judge whether his reasons are legit or not? When he claims to have caused a certain thing, how do you ascertain whether he did or not?
All the "reasons" he has given after failing to accurately predict a particular event have been impossible to substantiate. If you're going to consider his "reasons" legit despite his inability to prove them, then it leaves you in a position where Oazaki cannot fail. When the transition doesn't happen on October 26th? Just wait for him to explain why, probably something to do with reheating some left-over karma or some such, and then wait for the next one.
As Jenadots says, he will take credit for events that occured, and credit for preventing events that didn't. It's entirely after-the-fact, he's not made a single before-the-fact claim that's come true. In argument he uses elaborate equivalents of "I knew that was going to happen!" or "I knew you were going to say that!" or, in so many cases, "I didn't mean that anyway!"
It even places you, someone who has more of an open mind towards him than many, in a position where it must be difficult to know what, if anything, he actually means. As you mentioned in your e-mail to him, his prior predictions seemed perfectly genuine, our belief that he meant what he said wasn't based on a misinterpretation, it was based on the natural assumption that he wasn't lying. Even if we believe him when he says that he never truly meant those predictions, where does that leave us? In the position of simply not being able to believe what he says, but instead having to wait until he announces what he
really meant, with the assumption that at some later point he won't contradict that by announcing what he
really, REALLY meant.
Pah. Bet-hedging, and retcons.
Quote from: OazakiEach and every time I told the exact and precise truth, just in such a way that those who had stuff to work would misinterpret things and so mislead themselves through their own hands.
Oh please, many of Oazaki's predictions were clearly stated, we could not have misinterpreted them unless he was using entirely new definitions for each word, something that would make any future communication with him pointless.
Quote from: Quiet StormOccultforums was not an astrological forum only. Oh and other forums he was banned from did not only cover astroligy either.
I was referring to this one (http://www.nodeorama.com/).
QuoteHow do you judge whether his reasons are legit or not? When he claims to have caused a certain thing, how do you ascertain whether he did or not?
I'm not really going to 'judge' his reasons. I'm kinda play something like 'devil's advocate' for both 'sides' really but on my own terms. I do 'see' through both perspectives ie. that his predictions are coming to pass, or not but there are 'earth changes' that are inevitable which will be and have been happening. The perspective, that his predictions are not coming to pass is limiting for certain reasons at certain times but I still haven't thrown that away either.
Quote from: Nameless
Quote from: Quiet StormOccultforums was not an astrological forum only. Oh and other forums he was banned from did not only cover astroligy either.
I was referring to this one (http://www.nodeorama.com/).
Oops, missed that one. There's only one page in googles cache that oazaki is on, and in that message by itself was not the cause of his banning, but since he is labelled "troll" now looks like some mods at the site didn't take too kindly his messages.
FEMA LAUNCHES QUIET TRAINING PROGRAM/martial-law- style
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=3202&topic=3&showdate=10/14/04
(good article, especially when coupled with that last one about the government controlled journalism)
Shells from Syria fired at troops in Iraq
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=4038&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/15/04&replies=13
CIA Tortures Hostages in Jordan
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=4042&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/15/04&replies=4
Senator Closes Capitol Hill Office Over Terror Worries
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=2167&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/14/04&replies=15
ONE THOUSAND U.S. SOLDIERS KILLED IN THE LAST TEN DAYS
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=3473&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/14/04&replies=3
Libertarian & Green Party Presidential Candidates Arrested ~ Police State Begins Here
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=2812&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/14/04&replies=25
The making of the terror myth
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=3867&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/15/04&replies=0
Oh and since these are GLP links, beware of the draco-like personalities that roam...
FBI shuts down 20 antiwar web sites: an unprecedented act of Internet
censorship
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/oct2004/inte-o13.shtml
Declaration
in Support of the Indymedia Network
and Against the Seizure of its Servers
http://solidarity.indymedia.org.uk/
THE INVISIBLE CANDIDATE SPEAKS ON SKULL & BONES
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=57393
Ford Foundation's Skull & Bones Link http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/ford_sb.html
ZetaTalk : October SURPRISE
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=4016&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/15/04&replies=12
(I know.. it's Nancy, but it is an interesting read though...)
"Achtung! Your Passport Bitte"- The Bush Administration's hiring of ex-KGB Chiefs Primakov (also former President of Russia and close associate of Saddam Hussein) and Karpov to work in the Office of Information Awareness (DARPA) to help in designing an internal passport
http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt19.htm
USA CAMPS Is there a concentration camp in Omaha, Arkansas ?
http://usacamps.blogspot.com/
Global Terror by Secret US Death Squads
http://207.44.245.159/article7069.htm
PLANS TO ATTACK IRAN BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1130.htm
CHEMTRAILS LINKED TO MYSTERY DISEASES?
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fotdragon/articles/outbreaks.html
Chemtrails - The Final Verdict: Chemtrails are no longer just a 'conspiracy theory' http://www.jackblood.com/index/id38.html
:twisted:
Chemtrail_Illness_Research@yahoogroups.com
[Chemtrail_Illness_Research] Chemtrails, Barium, Aluminum, Titanium
confirmed in Rainwater
Chemtrails - Barium, Aluminum, Titanium CONFIRMED In Rainwater
By Sue Miller
3-15-2
The presence of Aluminum, Barium, Calcium, Magnesium, and Titanium in
the
air over a part of the United States is now formally documented, in as
reliable a way as is available to an ordinary American citizen.
Over three months, three separate rainwater and snow samples from
Chapel
Hill, North Carolina, have been collected and submitted for formal
'double-blind' laboratory analysis. Tests were ordered for several
elements
that should NOT be present in normal rain/snow. The results should have
come
back marked 'N/D' ('None Detected') for all tests...
But, that hope was smashed.
The substances that many of us who have been researching the chemtrail
issue
suspect are in the air --- ARE IN THE AIR.
And coming down in rain and snow.
Especially BARIUM.
This devastating data points to a deliberate atmospheric release of
massive
quantities of material containing Aluminum, Barium, Calcium, Magnesium,
Calcium, and Titanium.
These bleak figures also point to the possibility of a grim outlook for
the
humans (and animals) under this chem-bliz 'fallout', as well as the
entire
physical ecosystem.
We were not designed to breathe these materials. Especially at the tiny
particulate size, which has over and over been proven to cause
increased
death rates. (Most recently by the Journal of American Medical
Association,
3/6/2002, 'Mortality, and Long-term Exposure to Fine Particulate Air
Pollution')
More testing is urgently called for.
Other substances may be present -- these five were the only tests
ordered,
based on information collected from the Carnicom Chemtrail Site and
Discussion Board. The form in which these documented five exist --
carbonates, hydrates, stearates (?) etc.-- is still unknown.
As chemtrails -- the postulated release method for these materials --
have
been continually observed and documented over the United States and
most of
the world, more testing in other areas must be done to confirm that
this is
not simply a localized, temporary phenomena. The health and ecologic
effects
of these materials entering the groundwater, oceans, agriculture/food
supply, and food chains must be considered and studied.
The health, climactic, and planetary effects of the massive quantities
that
must exist in the upper atmosphere to reach the ground in detectable
levels
must be studied.
The importance of these issues cannot be understated. Clifford
Carnicom,
Lorie Kramer, Kim Weber, Teresa S., David Peterson, and Terese Aigner
have
provided the information and encouragement for this direction. Deep
gratitude is extended to them.
I am proud to be American, and standing in the Lord,
Sue Miller (aka 'Looookinup') smillernc@earthlink.net
Links -
The official laboratory tests: Click on 'Lab Tests Are Positive'
http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
Clifford Carnicom's Chemtrail Board:
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails
Lung Cancer, Cardiopulmonary Mortality, and Long-term Exposure to Fine
Particulate Air Pollution:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v287n9/abs/joc11435.html
Vol. 287 No. 9, March 6, 2002
ChemtrailTrackingUSA- A group for reporting chemtrail sightings, and
research http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa
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THIS WEEK'S HEAVY CHEMTRAILS RESULTS *PIC*
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=23094
FDA APPROVES CHIP IMPLANT
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=22834
BTW, did any of you hear about that place in Ohio (or was it Iowa) that shut down for the day and recalled their meat back because there were microchips in the meat, for supposed 'tests'.
Franz J. T. Lee: Occult Physics, Tesla Technology and the World Energy Crisis
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=23175
This one covers some cool topics. 8)
Hey guys, thought I'd share a dream I had which fits in with some of the Planet Nibiru stories.
I had a dream around May and June of
this year about an 'end of days' scenario. Basically, from what I remember, I saw there were riots in a streets around my area, 'chaos', and people were running for
their lives. The scenario on ground level had an
orange-brown tone to it and above towards the sky it
was all black, blacker than the regular dark nite
skies. The sky appeared to have some very dark,
probably black in color, dust of some kind. The dust
for some reason was in the skies (or at least most of
it) and not at ground level, so the dust must have
been carried by the clouds or the atmosphere, hence it
was staying there making the whole sky look smokey
black. I say smokey because it seemed like the sky was
moving, like smoke does. Anyway..in this scenario
people were in an 'end of days' mood, and I was with
my father on the streets searching for a safe place to
get away from the destruction taking place in its many
forms. At one point I looked towards the sky and the
black smokey dust cleared at one spot where the moon (or some planetary object)
was revealed to be glowing a distinct orange color. Then it started to look
deformed and other objects around it started to appear, other
planetary bodies. A bit like one of those crop circles
I've seen this year having to do with planet Nibiru with wings, but also some other objects around it, like meteors, or other planetary objects. And then I woke up.
Quiet Storm,
I see that you dislike your government. You probably noticed that US are not governed by US citizens anymore. But I wonder if such person as Oazaki would gain power or if there would be spontaneous revolution in your country, what would people replace their government with? How would you be sure that corporations would not gain power again, and democracy would not become again only a meaningless word?
Well Im not one to be so absolutely sure about all of that right now. Oazaki is not telling me about the other plans, if any for the Zhedhi but the Second Sun should be showing up anytime this month in its full glory at closest passage. I guess we'll know what to do then...
I read up on that Second sun thing, all it is is a brown dwarf that is on the edge of the system, beyond the oort cloud and it won't make its pass for about another 16 million years.
For what it's worth, I notice O made a prediction in that other forum about the skies darkening on the 14-15th. I suppose it's possible he was predicting the sun would set those nights, but... :X
Well, he said "give or take a day or 2" the darkening would start on the 14-15th and it would continue onto the 20th or so...
Rothschild/Putin At War, Taba a Russian Hit? Strikeback coming?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RUMORMILLNEWS/message/22529
Russia On Red Alert For Nuclear War
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=5&topic=3&message=4539&mpage=&showdate=10/17/04
RUSSIA PREPARES ANTI-SHIP MISSILES FOR GULF, WAR MAY WIDEN
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=1&topic=3&message=4487&mpage=1&showdate=10/17/04
....
SECRETS THE ENGLISH MONARCHY & THE CROWNED HEADS OF EUROPE and Their ILLUMINATI HOPE YOU DONT LEARN
http://www.goroadachi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1811&sid=5e894a15d5bc9ee5213267150e37ee11
The Brownshirting of America
http://www.goroadachi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1819&sid=5e894a15d5bc9ee5213267150e37ee11
Astrology: Planet Alert October/November 2004
http://www.alcseattle.com/planet.php
Countdown to US Presidential Elections
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/
Polls Show Worsening of U.S. Reputation
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=3917&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/17/04&replies=15
MILLION WORKER MARCH - OCT. 17thhttp://www.fulldisklosure.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10462#44873
(lots of updates)
International Companies Insourcing to America
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=5302&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/17/04&replies=4
Study: US to Lose More Than 400,000 Jobs This Year
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=5287&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/17/04&replies=31
Truth supression and propaganda techniques
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=641&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/17/04&replies=26
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Subject: Fw: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Fw: [Quigs_Fight] Extremely important -- black-op danger flag! -- F.E.M.A.'S CERT to have nationwide DISASTER SIMULATION, SCHEDULED FOR ELECTION DAY!! Remember the SEPT. 11. 01 hijack simulations!!!
Extremely important -- black-op danger flag! -- F.E.M.A.'S CERT to have nationwide DISASTER SIMULATION, SCHEDULED FOR ELECTION DAY!! Remember the SEPT. 11,2001 hijack simulations!!!
they played a part in allowing the real attacks.
OK, this has my serious attention. If these CERT trainees start doing their disaster aid thing in the event of a real election-day mass-murder phony-terror black op, patriots will be sure to start gunning them down thinking they are the real conspiracy enforcers -- they are sending out these CERTbabes to be our targets (instead of the real FEMA force) -- a response to the shootings of these innocents!!! Better stop here, so you can catch up. Sweet Jesus! pass this around like now -- willy Eastman
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CODE INFRA-RED -- black-op danger flag -- F.E.M.A.'S CERT to have nationwide DISASTER SIMULATION, SCHEDULED FOR ELECTION DAY!! Remember the SEPT. 11. 01 hijack simulations!!!
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On Tuesday, September 28th, a new federally-funded, FEMA-directed citizen training program began in my town called CERT. CERT stands for "Community Emergency Response Team." ...
But what really caught my eye were the last two items on CERT's training schedule:
On Tuesday, October 25th, CERT trainees will receive training on "Terrorism and CERT."
Then, exactly one week later, CERT's training program will conclude with a "Disaster Simulation & Examination".
This final day for the CERT training program, the day when CERT will climax with a "disaster simulation," is none other than Election Day!
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35 Days Till Disaster: Is an Election Day Faux-Terror Event All But CERTain?
Mark Erwin | October 4 2004
On Tuesday, September 28th, a new federally-funded, FEMA-directed citizen
training program began in my town called CERT. CERT stands for "Community
Emergency Response Team."
A quick internet search reveals that my town isn't the only one
participating. Nearly every town in America has its own CERT program, it
would appear.
My neighbor's teenage son attended CERT's initial orientation meeting and
later showed me the equipment and materials he was given.
He received free of charge a backpack containing hundreds of dollars worth
of gear, including a hard hat, reflective garb for
checkpoint/traffic-control duty, a high beam flashlight, eye guards, etc.
In the near future, he said, he'll also be given (again, free of charge) a
special radio over which he can tap into the county's emergency
communications net.
Then, he showed me his 300 page CERT training manual along with his
training schedule for upcoming weeks.
The CERT training program is intensive. It's scheduled to last for only a
little over a month.
In the short span of just 35 days, CERT trainees will learn the following:
1) Disaster preparedness
2) Disaster fire safety
3) Disaster medical operations
4) Light search and rescue
5) CERT Organization
6) Disaster psychology
But what really caught my eye were the last two items on CERT's training
schedule:
On Tuesday, October 25th, CERT trainees will receive training on
"Terrorism and CERT."
Then, exactly one week later, CERT's training program will conclude with a
"Disaster Simulation & Examination".
This final day for the CERT training program, the day when CERT will
climax with a "disaster simulation," is none other than Election Day!
Is this mere coincidence? I can't believe that it is. CERT is a nationwide
FEMA-sponsored citizen training program, after all. I assume, in every
town and hamlet, fledgling CERT teams are following this exact same
training schedule. And that means a nationwide "disaster simulation" is
scheduled for all of them come Election Day!
As 9-11 demonstrated, federal drills and simulations can sometimes be used
to provide cover for preparations for what are, in fact, premeditated
events timed to coincide exactly with the drills and simulations.
Does the timetable for the CERT program portend something like a second
9-11 come Election Day?
Will the same spooks who staged the 9-11 faux-terror event perpetrate
another faux-terror event come November 2nd?
The CERT training timetable parallels exactly the training timetable for
the Texas State Guard leaked by a brave guardsman to talk radio host Alex
Jones. He told Alex that elite units of the Texas State Guard were being
intensively trained to be ready for martial-law-style deployments come the
first week of November.
Needless to say, in light of this leak to Alex, when I learned that
Election Day was scheduled to be the day when FEMA's CERT training program
climaxes with a "disaster simulation," chills went down my spine.
If, in fact, a second 9-11 does happen come Election Day, there won't be
much doubt about who did it. Like the original, it too will have had to
have been an inside job. How else could our next domestic terror event be
timed to coincide exactly with the "disaster simulation" set to conclude
FEMA's CERT training timetable?
CERT site: http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/
Anyone saw Jay Leno and Michael Moore?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=5222&topic=3&showdate=10/17/04waves
note: Al-Quaeda means "the base", remember?
.....
Neuroinversion: Meditations on externalizing the mind
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=8497
Waves of sound
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=4299&topic=3&showdate=10/17/04
:)
irony...
Quiet_Storm:
I think that all things that you've posted about Russia are false. Putin is not so stupid to start a nuclear war, in fact he even isn't an enemy of US/Israel/UK. The Beslan terrorist attack was probably staged by Russian government. This could be used as an excuse to continue occupation of Chechnya. The Russians have committed in this country war crimes so violent, that a normal human can't even think of. There seems to be some kind of agreement, that US can occupy Iraq, and Russia can occupy Chechnya. The Russian government's only enemy is their own population.
I think, those articles were written for a reason, but I agree that Russia could be staging alot. I know Putin is smart, I think he may be creating 'psyops'.
but check this out:
Shells from Syria fired at troops in Iraq
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=4038&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/15/04&replies=13
So either Bush and Putin are in it together, with a little side scamming from Israel, or Putin is not with Bush, against him, and ordered some of his followers to attack the US. Also it may be something to consider that the stuff being said about Iran and US going to war is not the full story.
Neclear Facilities can also be targetted by terrorists, just another idea.
WORLD ANGEL DAY 17 OCTOBER
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=23776
´Why We Must Not Re-Elect
President Bush´ - George Soros
A Personal Message from George Soros
10-17-4
http://www.rense.com/general58/bsusu.htm
discussion: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=5383&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/17/04&replies=7
Note - This Article May Be Linked To But Not Reproduced Without Written Permssion.
The NWO´s next big investment, under martial law, is the soon-to-be legalized transportation of human cargo for forced labor and execution via none other than independent contractors. I did not begin looking for a Bush/Cheney connection when I began researching this article, but I sadly ended up there. Some will argue with the following connections, but I believe that the connections are relevant and that a researcher with more time and resources could certainly make this a noteworthy endeavor. Thus, I leave you with the following:
http://www.rense.com/general58/fearthecomingtrain.htm
From the "Russia On Red Alert For Nuclear War" thread:
Anonymous Coward said - Jeffrey Nyquist (http://www.jrnyquist.com/) thinks Putin´s implication of U.S. involvement in the Beslan school terrorist event is Russian disinformation intended to justify aggression/war on America. From his Sept. 8th column:
"On Wednesday the Washington Times ran a story titled "Putin rips Washington's calls for diplomacy with Chechens," by Nicholas Kralev. According to this article, Putin has accused the United States of "undermining" Russia's war on terrorism. Putin also accuses American officials of meeting with Chechen leaders. Even more blameworthy (from Putin's standpoint), the United States granted political asylum to Ilyas Akhmadov, a Chechen rebel leader and foreign minister. The Kremlin uses this and other facts to show that Washington supports Chechen terrorism; that Washington seeks to demoralize and split Russia through "a fratricidal bloodbath in the North Caucasus.
Do not mistake this for "Russian paranoia." What we are hearing and reading is calculated propaganda. Characteristically, the mass murderer accuses his intended victim of harboring identical intentions to his own. It effectively appeals to the willing dupes, useful idiots and fellow travelers of the anti-American left. At the same time it covers President Putin with a halo of innocence." Full article at:
http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2004/0908.html
I Think Nyquist is wrong. He paints a halo of goodness and integrity around Bush and seems to totally ignore and be oblivious of the fact that the zionist agenda is controlling the Bush administration. I´m not saying Putin is all sweetness and light -- he may be Communist/socialist, but the Bush/zionist cabal is fascist. Nyquist oversimplifies everything and tries to frame it in a 1950´s paradigm. There may be a hardline faction in Russia or their military that still wants to wipe out America a la Cold War thinking, but I think Putin is trying to defend Russia from a zionist/elitist agenda to divide and weaken Russia and eventually control their oil resources.
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No comment.
GOP-paid firm faces voter-fraud charge
EX-WORKER SAYS HE SAW DEMOS´ FORMS TRASHED
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/9915462.htm
BBC 2
The Power of Nightmares
Wed 20 Oct, 9:00 pm - 10:00 pm 60mins
Baby It's Cold Outside
In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams weren't true, neither are these nightmares.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings/programme.shtml?day=wednesday&service_id=41532&filename=20041020/20041020_2100_41532_40078_60
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Tons of irony....
QuoteWell, he said "give or take a day or 2" the darkening would start on the 14-15th and it would continue onto the 20th or so..
Still watching... and all I've seen is a bit of rain, which was kinda nice, albeit distinctly un-apocalyptic.
I'll say one thing though, if the "transition" happens before midterms, I'll be a happy man. ::dies::
Re: the thing about a voter registering org on the GOP's payroll destroying Democrat's registrations, I saw this in the NY Times the other day, and thought about posting it here. It doesn't really surprise me, but I hope it gets as much publicity as possible.
Quiet Storm:
You've said that Putin is a Communist/Socialist. This is completely not true. A socialist is a politician that wants to improve living conditions of country's poorest classes, and in Russia most of people live in extreme poverty, without any access to medical care, and facing hunger everyday. Once I saw a Lithuanian village, houses were looking like from XIX century, most of them without electricity, and even a farm tractor was a very rare thing. They use horses instead of them. And imagine that in Russia situation is much worse. About communism: Russia is not a communist country. It is as capitalist as US, or UK, but with difference, that rich people are richer and poor even poorer. Putin is just a dictator-wannabe obsessed with power.
I have heard charges of fooling around with registrations on both sides -- democrats registering to vote in Florida and New York. ALso, unknown numbers of undocumented workers in California are registered to vote - who knows which way. The electronic machines are not working properly in most states that are using the new ones..... People taking absentee ballots to nursing homes and voting for the comatose, Alzheimer's patients, and others who generally cannot even understand what they are signing. This appears to be going on in both parties.
Clearly not enough has been done in the way of election reforms and election registrations nationwide. Both issues have to be tackled at once and no one in Congress is willing to do it,especially as regards registration reform and making sure a person is a citizen and is registered in only one place.
Of course we in Illinois are always suspicious as there is a long history of registration fraud and voter fraud here. I recall the Kennedy election which most suspect was stolen by the first Mayor Daley. To this day we still have official "poll watchers" at voting sites. Saw the democrats try to do it again in Florida last time. And no doubt, will see it again in this election. The democrats have their lawyers all lined up and we haven't even had the election yet. There have been published memos of the DNC saying charge anything, true or not. So the republicans are also getting their lawyers ready with their countercharges.
It is obviously going to be a tense scenario if the election is as close as it appears to be.
And unless we, the voters begin to demand some clear cut registration and voting regulations for nationwide elections, this may be the wave of the future. The real issues are money and power -- too much of both concentrated in the hands of a few in DC.
If it has gotten to the point where we cannot even trust our electoral process, we will end up with chaos and anarchy - not a pretty picture and not good for any of us.
And of course, the other thing that really annoys me is the media -- which on election night will be declaring winners based on exit polls and 2% of the vote counted. I doubt if they learned their lessons about that last time and these talking heads will be declaring winners and losers long before they should.
CaCoDeMoN: I don't remember saying Putin is communist, but I agree with the rest.
Jenadots: Both candidates have been f*cking with the people...
About the polls: I think they are also f*cked with...
QS - isn't that what I said????
Oh, well....I am sure every cemetary in Chicago has voters in this election. It helps us remember them fondly. :P
Sorry, in your post you've only quoted words of someone else, and I didn't noticed that:
Quote
...zionist agenda is controlling the Bush administration. I´m not saying Putin is all sweetness and light -- he may be Communist/socialist, but the Bush/zionist cabal is fascist. Nyquist oversimplifies everything and tries to frame it in a 1950´s paradigm. There may be a hardline faction in Russia...
It's cool. The main ideas are consistent, but still, with everything I've posted I think everyone knows they read "at their own risk".
Israel Preps For Messiah!
Messiah Fever Sweeping Israel
Prepares For Messiah NOW
Jewish Monarchy Movement Wants New Form of Gov't NOW http://aoreport.com/breaking.htm
Firemen hurt in skyscraper blaze
From correspondents in Caracas
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11106433%255E954,00.html
Presidential/ Vice Presidential Debates Oct 20 & 21, 2004
http://www.stewwebb.com/
A Christian Republican Exposes GOP/VIP Sleaze
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/101404Schwarz/101404schwarz.html
Unseen comets may raise impact risk for Earth
http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041018/full/041018-3.html
WHAT JOHN KERRY DID TO ME
http://www.newswithviews.com/Craig/roberts.htm
ALIENS BEHIND WORLD GOVERNMENT
http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyberspaceorbit.com%2Faliegov.htm
The Mark of Doom: Computer-Activated Biological Warfare
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=5796&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/18/04&replies=6
FEMA TRAINING TIME MATCHES TEXAS STATE GUARD TIMETABLE
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=57578
PUTTIN OFFERS BUSH SUPPORT IN FORTHCOMING ELECTIONS
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=57560
hmmm, looks he Putin is playing a game.
TBR News - October 18, 2004
Nous sommes desoles que notre president soit un idiot. Nous n´avons pas vote pour lui.
Voice of the White House
In recent past issues, we have carried comments from a reporter assigned to the White House press corps. Some of these remarks, most especially one about Bush's physical and mental problems, drew an enormous number of viewers and hundreds of inquiries, most especially from foreign press entities. The reporter advised us by email that there was rampant fury in the White House and security was becoming very tight. As a result of this, he decided to lay low for a few weeks and see how the wind was blowing. Yesterday, he sent us the following material which we are now posting. Some of it is outrageous in the extreme but to date, no one has proven him wrong. Our source was the first to expose and we were the first to make public, the accusations that the President of the United States was a man that suffered from serious psychological problems. Since our initial publication of what we call the Madness of King George, there has been increasing interest in the subject and herewith, we present additional input from inside the White House.
October 15, 2004: " The last material I sent you, about a pending war, is causing pandemonium inside the Monkey Palace. They have been looking for the leaks for months now and we have the Secret Service, the FBI and Homeland Security all involved at one level or another. Phones are being watched, laptops searched physically, in some cases we have seen staff taking lie detector tests and over all of this, threats of arrest and imprisonment for violating National Security! I will have more for you tomorrow on the possibility/probability of military action against Iran but in the meantime, here is a juicy bit for you. For the present, no names but they will follow. Seems a former White House aide, (Reagan White House) was caught running a male prostitution service and got fired from the Monkey Palace, and later from the RNC for supplying muscular boy toys to some top Beltway gays. Well, after being fired, our bozo got together with a Muslim druggie and set up operations at the Kennedy-Warren, a landmark DC apartment/business complex. They ran a male escort service supplying young studs to older Beltway citizens. Among these citizens were: Federal judges, top political figures, mostly Republican, very senior military people and certainly members of Congress. The head of this service, that utilized credit cards for payment, supplied young men, mostly young servicemen, between 18 to 25 for sex. They kept very complete records, including names and address of the johns as well as credit card receipts. And later there was blackmail and now, I have learned from the inside, this joker has sold the lists to: Iranians( through his partner's Arab connections) and a gay group in DC. Sold the lists twice and got twice the money. I have seen a partial list and it reads like the DC social register, believe me! This enterprising young man is very liable to end up at the bottom of the Potomac River just like ex-CIA chief Bill Colby who was terminated by his former employees because he just couldn't keep his mouth shut about certain things. I won't have old Bill's problem because I am not a Princeton man and even you don't know who I am. You had the intestinal fortitude to print the material about the planned Iranian attack and maybe you will do the same with this one. I know a number of people inside the Beltway read your site...and loathe you...and if they read this and are closet queens, the sale of dignity pants will soar in the next few weeks. My, my, such lovely names! The Washington Times did a front page story on this joker some time back, by the way, but no one dared to touch him because of what, and whom, he knew...and serviced..."
October 16, 2004: "There is now some debate about the subject of the planned and proposed joint US/Israeli attack on Iran. There is no question it passed from the drawing board to the paper stage but with all the negative publicity generated, mostly by your publication of my comments, some are having second thoughts. I had some fun today reading a Russian website..www.Iraqwar.ru that discussed all of this. One drooling idiot said that I did not exist. Remind me to tell my wife about this! There are some strange ones running loose out there, for certain. The next bit of information for your readers concerns Vladimir Putin, the Russians and the CIA. It is common knowledge that Reagan played high stakes poker with the Russians, using the completely phony Star Wars project to force them into an escalating hardware war that they lost. After the fall of Communism, the economy collapses and US oil interests moved right in to lay their hands on the potentially vital Russian oil fields. They operated via the CIA through Moscow street thugs who grabbed the properties when the state privatized them, looted everything in sight and got their friends in the US to loan them huge sums of cash...which they also stole and stashed in Swiss and Israeli banks. Putin came into power when the CIA's Yeltsin drank himself into a permanent stupor. Putin, an ex-KGB man, is not stupid and is not a drunk. He stopped the takeover of Russian oil, broke up the Russian/US cartels and caused spastic colon in boardrooms all over the United States and England. The US could not tolerate well-heeled and generous friends of the Republicans being deprived of their profits so they embarked on a clandestine campaign to discredit Putin and get their hands back on the Russian oil-producing areas. The CIA ran the show. They overthrew the government of Georgia and put their man in power and moved on Azerbaidschan and Cechenia. To make a long story short, it turns out that the CIA supported fully the Chechen leader that was directly responsible for the Russian school massacre. They have a lovely habit of doing such things. After all, the CIA killed Allende in Chile and replaced him with their man, Pinochet, who slaughtered God knows how many Chileans. The point is here that Putin found out about our official but clandestine support of this monster and to say he and his people are angry and determined to put a stop to any future adventurism of this kind goes without saying. This leads me up to tacit Russian support of Iran. Today, Russia is fishing in troubled waters because no one in the Middle East, and I mean no one, wants American troops in that area. Bush is seen as a madman and American activities against the citizenry of Iraq has outraged not only the locals but the entire Muslim community plus all of Europe and much of Asia. We are caught between a rock and a hard place. Bush is absolutely incapable of admitting he is wrong and the fanatic Neocons so determined that the US fully support Israel that if this new Vietnam continues for much longer, the results will be absolutely devastating. I know a number of senior and very professional military men of rank and position who are horrified at Bush's activities and the activities of the savage gang of private murderers he turned loose on the Iraqi population and who can clearly see what is going to happen. They all know what a treacherous man Bush is and if and when things really explode, he will quickly blame them even though they want nothing to do with his Mad Hatter Empire building. Notice that the CIA also loathes him and has been leaking very important anti-Bush documents to their many friends in the American media. Bush blames them for his own gross stupidity and fanaticism and they are getting their revenge on him and his corrupt administration. It is a really terrible thing to sit by and watch a major disaster slowly building and know that there is nothing anyone can do about it. ..."
Comment: The complete intelligence report on US attempts to gain control of Caucasus oil areas, to include support of local terrorist groups, will be serialized here soon.
An Israeli/U.S. strike on Iran?
When we published the story about a pending attack by US and Israeli forces against Iran, out site was so flooded with viewers that it shut itself down for two days. TBR news was flooded by emails from all over the world, which is not surprising because at least a dozen foreign websites ran the story and linked to our site. Although most of the correspondence was positive, there was a recurring theme in the balance of the messages: This was all a vicious anti-Semitic, anti-Bush attack by Kennedy communists and secular humanists. No sane person, these negative missives insisted, could believe such nonsense. Neither the United States nor Israel, both democracies and strong advocates of peace, would ever contemplate such a vicious and unprincipled attack. To answer these writers, we are publishing several in-depth articles on the subject. It is also interesting to note that the great bulk of mail from foreign countries completely believes the thesis of a US/Israeli military strike on Tehran.
´We´re done:´ Iran reactor ready despite 2-year delay claim
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
October 15, 2004
MOSCOW — Iran and Russia said they have completed construction of the nuclear power reactor at Bushehr.
The announcement came less than two months after Iran said Bushehr would not begin operations until late 2006, three years behind schedule. At the time, officials said Bushehr — a project estimated at $1 billion — was delayed by the Russian revision of the original nuclear reactor design, drafted by the German firm Simens in the 1970s.
But officials from both countries said on Thursday that Russia completed the construction of Bushehr and the installation of the first 1,000-megawatt light-water reactor unit. They said the key remaining task was for Russia to supply Iran with the nuclear fuel required to operate Bushehr, Middle East Newsline reported.
"We´re done," a spokesman for Russia´s Federal Atomic Energy Agency, known as Rosatom, said. "What remains is for the Russian specialists to assemble the unit´s control and safety equipment."
Last week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov visited Iran and assured his hosts that his government would provide the nuclear fuel for Bushehr, a move that has been delayed because of Iran´s refusal to bear the costs of returning the spent nuclear fuel to Moscow. Earlier, a senior Iranian official said nuclear fuel deliveries must begin seven months before the facility was scheduled to launch operations.
"All we need to do now is work out an agreement on sending the spent fuel back to Russia," the Russian Atomic Energy Agency spokesman was quoted by Itar-Tass agency as saying.
The spokesman made his remarks after Rosatom director Alexander Rumyantsev met a key Iranian parliamentarian to discuss Bushehr. Iran has long complained of delays in the project, and in a briefing in August Mehran Zia Sheikholeslami, head of technical operations at Bushehr, said Teheran was pressing Moscow to meet Iran´s latest deadline for the start of the facility´s full operations, October 2006.
The Iranian who met Rumyantsev was identified as the chairman of parliament´s Foreign Policy and National Security Committee, Alaeddin Borudjerdi. Borudjerdi agreed that Russia was required to do little more than provide the nuclear fuel for Bushehr.
"The [nuclear fuel] agreement is practically ready," Borudjerdi said. "If the experts agree on a few remaining commercial matters, it could be signed in November."
Rumyantsev could visit Iran in December to conclude the nuclear fuel agreement, officials said. They said Russia would first wait for the meeting of the board of governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency on Nov. 25, meant to determine whether Teheran was honoring its pledge to cooperate with the international community regarding Teheran´s nuclear program.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_7.html
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Now that's interesting...
Martial Law Nov. 1st? link: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=6291&topic=3&showdate=10/19/04
I have just listened to a radio interview with an officer in the Texas
National Guard who says he and his fellow National Guard members have
received training to implement martial law in the United States. He says
they have been told the Bush government will declare martial law on November
1, 2004. The Texas National Guard officer says they were warned not to tell
any media personnel about this Bush government plan to declare martial law
on November 1, 2004. And of course, the REASON the Bush government is
Choosing November 1, 2004, is to be able to cancel the election.
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> I´m asking everyone, who has the computer capability, to listen to this
Interview which takes 10 20 minutes to download. Although the host of the
radio show is Alex Jones, who does not have the right contacts to confirm
NESARA and therefore does not support NESARA, Alex does sometimes receive
good information. What this Texas National Guard officer is saying about the
Bush government getting National Guard soldiers trained to implement Martial
law is absolutely true and I have confirmed it.
FULL STREAMING FILE:
http://www.parapolitics.info/media/aj040819.mp3
Do You See A Pattern Here?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=6212&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/19/04&replies=38
Mount St. Helens Seismic Activity Changes
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2004/10/19/build/nation/70-mt-st-helens.inc
How gullible are you? 'W' wants to know
http://www.decaturdailydemocrat.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/opinion/editorial02.txt
Rove Plans To Coup Bush In Back Door Takeover
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=5378&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/19/04&replies=13
MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD HAPPENING IN FLORIDA AS WE SPEAK
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=6354&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/19/04&replies=5
Why I Cannot Vote For John Kerry
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=6454&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/19/04&replies=8
BBC Radio 4 Report on Skull and Bones
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204skullandbones.htm
This report features audio from a Skull and Bones initiation ritual. Listen to the blood curdling screams and satanic references and remember both Kerry and Bush are intimately involved in this.
Oregon Police Fire On Bystanders Watching Presidential Motorcade & Silenced by the President
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=6475&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/19/04&replies=0
Listening to that Alex Jones interview with the supposed National (or is it State?) Guard guy... noticed how parts have been cut out? Weird...
Jeez Alex Jones can go on sometimes!! I saw his two films, '911: road to tyranny' and 'secrets of the bohemian grove'... and i'll tell ya, that guy has some great info, but he really needs to know when to cut stuff out... 'Secrets of the bohemian grove' had like 5-10 minutes of footage, of them walking thru the damn forest just to get to the grove. Foilage shots galore!
He's almost a zealot sometimes...
I am scared by this "US concentration camps" conspiracy theory. I would not believe it, but there are photos, and they are very convincing. What are those government facilities, with barbed wire facing inwards, as to prevent someone from escaping. Why those "detention camps" are empty, but with full staff?
yea, its fooked up. I've seen pics of the ones used during the time of the Republican National Convention at NYC. It was filled with people in plastic handcuffs, many people looked tired. I forgot where I saw them though, so I can't provide a link right now....
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The CIA ´Old Guard´ Goes to War with Bush
By Phillip Sherwell
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.)
Sunday 10 October 2004
A powerful "old guard" faction in the Central Intelligence Agency has launched an unprecedented campaign to undermine the Bush administration with a battery of damaging leaks and briefings about Iraq.
The White House is incensed by the increasingly public sniping from some senior intelligence officers who, it believes, are conducting a partisan operation to swing the election on November 2 in favour of John Kerry, the Democratic candidate, and against George W Bush.
Jim Pavitt, a 31-year CIA veteran who retired as a departmental chief in August, said that he cannot recall a time of such "viciousness and vindictiveness" in a battle between the White House and the agency.
John Roberts, a conservative security analyst, commented bluntly: "When the President cannot trust his own CIA, the nation faces dire consequences."
Relations between the White House and the agency are widely regarded as being at their lowest ebb since the hopelessly botched Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by CIA-sponsored exiles under President John F Kennedy in 1961.
There is anger within the CIA that it has taken all the blame for the failings of pre-war intelligence on Saddam Hussein´s weapons programmes.
Former senior CIA officials argue that so-called "neo-conservative" hawks such as the vice president, willy Cheney, the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, and his number three at the defense department, Douglas Feith, have prompted the ill-feeling by demanding "politically acceptable" results from the agency and rejecting conclusions they did not like. Yet Colin Powell, the less hardline secretary of state, has also been scathing in his criticism of pre-war intelligence briefings.
The leaks are also a shot across the bows of Porter Goss, the agency´s new director and a former Republican congressman. He takes over with orders from the White House to end the in-fighting and revamp the troubled spy agency as part of a radical overhaul of the American intelligence world.
Bill Harlow, the former CIA spokesman who left with the former director George Tenet in July, acknowledged that there had been leaks from within the agency. "The intelligence community has been made the scapegoat for all the failings over Iraq," he said. "It deserves some of the blame, but not all of it. People are chafing at that, and that´s the background to these leaks."
Fighting to defend their patch ahead of the future review, anti-Bush CIA operatives have ensured that Iraq remains high on the election campaign agenda long after Republican strategists such as Karl Rove, the President´s closest adviser, had hoped that it would fade from the front pages.
In the latest clash, a senior former CIA agent revealed that Mr. Cheney "blew up" when a report into links between the Saddam regime and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the terrorist behind the kidnappings and beheadings of hostages in Iraq, including the Briton Kenneth Bigley, proved inconclusive.
Other recent leaks have included the contents of classified reports drawn up by CIA analysts before the invasion of Iraq, warning the White House about the dangers of post-war instability. Specifically, the reports said that rogue Ba´athist elements might team up with terrorist groups to wage a guerrilla war.
Critics of the White House include officials who have served in previous Republican administrations such as Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA head of counter-terrorism and member of the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan.
"These have been an extraordinary four years for the CIA and the political pressure to come up with the right results has been enormous, particularly from Vice-President Cheney.
"I´m afraid that the agency is guilty of bending over backwards to please the administration. George Tenet was desperate to give them what they wanted and that was a complete disaster."
With the simmering rows breaking out in public, the Wall Street Journal declared in an editorial that the administration was now fighting two insurgencies: one in Iraq and one at the CIA.
In a difficult week for President Bush leading up to Friday´s presidential debate, the CIA-led Iraqi Survey Group confirmed that Saddam had had no weapons of mass destruction, while Mr. Rumsfeld distanced himself from the administration´s long-held assertion of ties between Saddam and the al-Qaeda terror network.
Earlier, unguarded comments by Paul Bremer, the former American administrator of Iraq who said that America "never had enough troops on the ground", had given the row about post-war strategy on the ground fresh impetus.
With just 23 days before the country votes for its next president, both sides are braced for further bruising encounters.
BUSH ADMIN. HIDES DAMNING CIA/911 REPORT UNTIL - AFTER - THE ELECTION!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=6685&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/19/04&replies=10
LA Times
October 19, 2004
Robert Scheer: The 9/11 Secret in the CIA´s Back Pocket The agency is withholding a damning report that points at senior officials.
It is shocking: The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election, and this one names names. Although the report by the inspector general´s office of the CIA was completed in June, it has not been made available to the congressional intelligence committees that mandated the study almost two years ago.
"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed," an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that "the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren´t interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward."
When I asked about the report, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said she and committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) sent a letter 14 days ago asking for it to be delivered.
"We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report," she said. "We are very concerned."
According to the intelligence official, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity, release of the report, which represents an exhaustive 17-month investigation by an 11-member team within the agency, has been "stalled." First by acting CIA Director John McLaughlin and now by Porter J. Goss, the former Republican House member (and chairman of the Intelligence Committee) who recently was appointed CIA chief by President Bush.
The official stressed that the report was more blunt and more specific than the earlier bipartisan reports produced by the Bush-appointed Sept. 11 commission and Congress.
"What all the other reports on 9/11 did not do is point the finger at individuals, and give the how and what of their responsibility. This report does that," said the intelligence official. "The report found very senior-level officials responsible."
By law, the only legitimate reason the CIA director has for holding back such a report is national security. Yet neither Goss nor McLaughlin has invoked national security as an explanation for not delivering the report to Congress.
"It surely does not involve issues of national security," said the intelligence official.
"The agency directorate is basically sitting on the report until after the election," the official continued. "No previous director of CIA has ever tried to stop the inspector general from releasing a report to the Congress, in this case a report requested by Congress."
None of this should surprise us given the Bush administration´s great determination since 9/11 to resist any serious investigation into how the security of this nation was so easily breached. In Bush´s much ballyhooed war on terror, ignorance has been bliss.
The president fought against the creation of the Sept. 11 commission, for example, agreeing only after enormous political pressure was applied by a grass-roots movement led by the families of those slain. And then Bush refused to testify to the commission under oath, or on the record. Instead he deigned only to chat with the commission members, with Vice President willy Cheney present, in a White House meeting in which commission members were not allowed to take notes. All in all, strange behavior for a man who seeks reelection to the top office in the land based on his handling of the so-called war on terror.
In September, the New York Times reported that several family members met with Goss privately to demand the release of the CIA inspector general´s report. "Three thousand people were killed on 9/11, and no one has been held accountable," 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser told the paper.
The failure to furnish the report to Congress, said Harman, "fuels the perception that no one is being held accountable. It is unacceptable that we don´t have [the report]; it not only disrespects Congress but it disrespects the American people."
The stonewalling by the Bush administration and the failure of Congress to gain release of the report have, said the intelligence source, "led the management of the CIA to believe it can engage in a cover-up with impunity. Unless the public demands an accounting, the administration and CIA´s leadership will have won and the nation will have lost."
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hmm this is going to be interesting...
Conspiracies here. And conspiracies there. And conspiracies everywhere!
If you believe in a conspiracy, you can always find evidence and make it fit.
As I have often said, you cannot, on one hand, say someone is dumb as a brick -- and then on the other hand, say they are so smart as to think up these conspiracies and carry them off.
Every government, everywhere has contigency plans as to who to lock up depending on who they think is attacking. The internet probably makes it even easier to identify people somebody sees as a threat or a subversive. It is what governments do. You are right to suspect it.
I am sure every Russian in the country would have been locked up in the late 50's/early 60's if the Soviet Union had decided to attack us. And the Soviets would have locked up every American or anyone with American relatives.
Next war, same thing. Personal freedoms are the first casualty of any war in any time.
Also, you can't demand better intelligence on groups or countries that might attack us and not want to have something like the CIA or the FBI or any number of other agencies that we have little, if any, awareness of.
Spying is a secrecy business and it has its ugly side - a real ugly side.
Are they out to get "You"???? only "you" can know that. :wink:
Jenadots:
I know that many of those conspiracies are not true, but a world is full of conspiracies. And I think that researching some of them can be very interesting. When even some are proved, it's easy to see how government is deceiving us. Aren't news about possible voter registration fraud a conspiracy theory? Or look at things that are happening now in Belarus. The government probably falsified referendum votes there, so the president can change constitution, and become a dictator. I don't believe that people voted to lose democracy.
Quiet Storm:
Did you seen the fake Nancy Lieder(TM) thread on on GLP? I was laughing so hard that my stomach hurt for a few minutes....
No I didn't see that. I think that TM is associated with the traveller.
Interesting views, I knew them well.
HELLO AND A LONG MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE by The Chronotrigger
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=24522
Hopi say "Sun to explode (supernova)"
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=8687&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/22/04&replies=49
SHAMANIC ASTROLOGY FOR OCT
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=25173
more astrology
http://www.lunarplanner.com/LunarMonths2004/lunarmonth.04.09.14.add.html
Dumb show
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/columnists/story/0,,1333748,00.html
US ´OBSESSED´ BY CELEB CULTURE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3708420.stm
Exploring Intuition And Related Concepts
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=8300&topic=3&showdate=10/22/04
Quiet Storm:
About Sun explosion:
This is totally impossible because:
1. Sun has mass many times to small to become a supernova
2. If it would even have correct mass, it would need to fuse all the hydrogen first into helium, and this will not happen in next 4 billion years
3. The Sun is a second generation star, and it was created from pieces of matter thrown out by supernova explosion
Here is some info on October astrological events:
http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/newsite/AstrologicalMusings.htm
There is an astronomical grand quintile at 28th October. This is similar to Oazaki's timeline. I think that his knowledge of astrology is good, but he is just misinterpreting things. The grand quintiles could refer to some big political change, or something else, and probably not end of the world.
I dont think the sun would "explode" and completely like a supernova, I think it has more to do with interpretation, something like a metaphor. Maybe something like a change of perception, and something(s) that would happen fast and rapidly. Maybe the Hopi took their vision literally? Oazaki told me 2 days ago that he also had a vision of some kind of explosion:
As for me, I'm trying to find out what occurred yesterday as I did
feel something important go down but damned if I can find a whisper of
it anywhere or identify it with precision psychically. What I get
when I look at it 3rd eye is a large cosmic blast / explosion which
results in a whole load of consciousness-raising energy being
released, along with some large chunks of rock, possibly meteor-size,
being expelled. Also the distinct impression that this relates
directly to Earth in a very obvious and noticeable way. Yet can't
find anything on it anywhere. Have you come across anything which
might fit here? I dunno, mebbe I'm just picking up on something
metaphorically / allegorically or something. figure I'll just wait
and see what comes.
So it could be pertaining that something happened when he got that vision or it would be happening later, not sure.
I also had a '3rd eye' perspective of a large explosion that would kick off the changes.... but that was some time ago, and pretty much anyone can expect some sort of a change from such an explosion so that idea is not so original I think...
But, election day is coming soon... and so is the nationwide CERT program terrorism operation supposed to occur as scheduled...
Download and listen to Tool - Aenema (it is on Aenima CD), it's exactly about things Oazaki is predicting :D
Will do. As reguards to that 'event' I mentioned earlier that could start it all off, it could be this:
The 7th Gate Activation will take place on October 30 - 31, 2004.
The keynote of 7th Gate is SEEING THE UNSEEN.
The Master Cylinder will be located in Udaipur, Rajasthan, India.
The 6th Gate Activation on May 29th was the Midway Point of the Doorway of the 11:11. It was the most far reaching 11:11 Activation since the first one in 1992 6th Gate has turned the 11:11 Doorway inside out and revealed its New Vision.
The Doorway of the 11:11 has shifted from the resonance of the 11 Anchoring the New
to that of the 22 Building on the New.
Our One Being has come alive. Many of us are stepping into new levels of being, consciously woven into Oneness.
Sceptres are being passed.....
Now is the time for the Second Wave to move from Experiencing to Doing. And for the First Wave to move from Doing to Being. Because of this immense switchover in resonance, it is essential to anchor the new 11:11 patterning with the upcoming Activation of the 7th Gate.
The keynote of 7th Gate is SEEING THE UNSEEN.
This is a time of inhanced vision and revelation. The veils are dissolving all around us. The boundaries between the worlds are dropping away. The Greater Reality is being revealed as never before. It is like awakening from a long dream. A dream that we didn´t even know that we were dreaming...
Now we begin the process of discovering where we really are. As we look around us with totally new eyes and vastly expanded perceptions, we see a very different world than the one we thought was there. Everything is vaster.... Everything is woven into Oneness. The matrix of the One is revealed....
We are not who we thought we were, but far larger and freer. We can now see and feel the threads of our beings interwoven into our One Being. Our One Being shakes off the last vestiges of slumber and starts to rise. A new era is beginning... that of our ONE BEING IN ACTION.
One Being Rising: by Solara
Part of the New 11:11 Vision Revealed.
http://www.nvisible.com/1111/7/7thGate.html
discussion: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=8435&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/22/04&replies=6
Also, check out that Lunarplanner astrology site as linked in the previous page of this thread.. it's verry interesting. :lol:
Thought you all might want to see this:
We are subconsciously manifesting prophecies. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=2486&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/25/04&replies=34
Here´s the tail-end of a larger article written by John Dean, former White House counsel.
http://writ.corporate.findlaw.com/dean/20041022.html
The Coming Post-Election Chaos:
A Storm Warning of Things to Come If the Vote Is as Close as Expected
By JOHN W. DEAN
The Nightmare Scenario: An Election Up in the Air For Months
It may be days or weeks, if not months, before we know the final results of this presidential election. And given the Republican control of the government, if Karl Rove is on the losing side, it could be years: He will take every issue (if he is losing) to its ultimate appeal in every state he can.
The cost of such litigation will be great - with the capital of citizens´ trust in their government, and its election processes, sinking along with the nation´s (if not the world´s) financial markets, which loathe uncertainty. After Bush v. Gore, is there any doubt how the high Court would resolve another round? This time, though, the Court, too, will pay more dearly. With persuasive power as its only source of authority, the Court´s power will diminish as the American people´s cynicism skyrockets.
It does not seem to trouble either Rove or Bush that they are moving us toward a Twenty-first Century civil war -- and that, once again, Southern conservatism is at its core. Only a miracle, it strikes me, can prevent this election from descending into post-election chaos. But given the alternatives, a miracle is what I am hoping for.
The Coming Scalar Terrorism
Frightening New Tom Bearden Document
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=57857
1Annunaki: The Movie
http://www.1anunnaki.com/
A long article, expressing the authors views of what's going on:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=10472&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/25/04&replies=3
Evil Seed: Bush and Kerry are Related to Dracula (Vlad the Impaler)
http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/vladtree.htm
U.S. INVASION OF IRAQ HAS OPENED THE GATES OF HELL
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=26372
INSPIRATION
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=9186&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/24/04&replies=18
New Florida vote scandal feared
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm
Florida Vote Scandal and Cheyney the real power behind the throne
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=12047&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/27/04&replies=0
MSNBC talking about CIVIL WAR
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=1&topic=3&message=11759&mpage=1&showdate=10/27/04
Eminem makes new video about 911 and illuminati conspiracy.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=1&topic=3&message=11547&mpage=1&showdate=10/27/04
The Silent Genocide from America
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=11910&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=10/27/04&replies=6
In Eastern Europe
Things Are Not What They Seem
An interview with Petr Cibulka
http://www.jrnyquist.com/petr_cibulka_2003_0310.htm
BUILDING A BRIGHTER FUTURE
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=26699
GOP FRAUD EVERYWHERE!
Global monitors find faults: FL Voting Procedures Fall Short http://iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2004/11/02/news/observe.html
An Election Spoiled Rotten http://www.tompaine.com/articles/an_election_spoiled_rotten.php
Kerry Almost Doubles Bush´s Recount Funds http://www.publicintegrity.org/bop2004/report.aspx?aid=418&sid=200
Electronic voting machines malfunctioning in every state they are in use http://www.bluelemur.com/
Electronic Voting Machine Woes Reported: Disproportionate number of Democrats reporting problems http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/headline.php?id=117
Indymedia Election Coverage: Voter Machine Hacking? http://indymedia.us/en/index.shtm
"It All Comes Down to Ohio, That State That the Head of Diebold Promised to Deliver for Bush" http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html
ACLU Sues Over Late Absentee Ballots http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=6&u=/ap/eln_absentee_ballots
MASSIVE VOTE FRAUD HAPPENING http://WhatReallyHappened.com:
November 02, 2004
"MASSIVE VOTE FRAUD HAPPENING"
"If a government cannot prove the honesty and accuracy of the election
by which they claim authority, the people are neither morally nor legally obligated to obey that government´s dictates or to pay its bills."
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp
***** Bush Challenges Voting Law ***** http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=26113
Welcome to the Fourth Reich...
discussion, with more links:http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=19057&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/3/04&replies=8
More reports of election problems
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp
CNN caught tampering with Exit Poll results
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=1144&mesg_id=1191&page=
This is why there are 10000 lawyers on Kerry's behalf roaming the states.
Heard from Oazaki much lately QS?
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Heard from Oazaki much lately QS?
Look at this:
http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=1043
:wink:
Also a transition to 4D is already happening. But not in the way Oazaki predicted....
Thanks for pointing that out Cacodemon. I haven't heard from Oazaki, by email or w/e for some time, but I think as Cacodemon said, things are not going exactly as Oazaki predicted, though still I think his works are all set to happen in this year as that was the 'plan'.
Things have progressed up to this point, as you may be aware, in it's own time and there is more if one might want to take note of, like the links I gather and more. Here are some new ones to name some:
Evidence OBL DIED IN December of 2001!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=1&topic=3&message=17476&mpage=1&showdate=11/4/04
Read this and you will never believe mainstream "News" again
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20459&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=0
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1165.htm
Kerry Won(!)(?)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20489&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=0
Citizen Grand Jury Indicts Feds over Sept. 11 Attacks
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20463&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=5
Terrorists In The Voting Booths
http://www.rense.com/general59/terroristsinthevotingbooth.htm
Poll Worker Photographed In Election Fraud
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20379&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=19
Bush & Kerry - a scripted and staged drama - completely phony, both worked together
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20247&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=23
The Skull & Bones Brothers Tag Team
http://www.rense.com/general59/brothers.htm
Fixed - The Stealing Of Another Election
http://www.rense.com/general59/steI.HTM
Voting Without Auditing - Are We Insane?
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=58442
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Rockefellers choose US Presidents...since 1876.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20317&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=27
There were/are people protesting the fraudulous election also:
Portlanders protest Bush victory
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20175&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20072&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20084&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04
Local Protests Make News, Disrupt Traffic
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=19969&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=150
Protests breaks out in VT
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20436&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=20
Now watch the world ´vote´ against you
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=19969&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=150
Are You Pleased With The Outcome Of The Presidential Election?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20306&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=50
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20415&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=23
WHAT TO DO
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20261&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=12
And here are 2 articles which I fully read but I thought might be of interest to at least one reading this:
THE OMNIVERSAL ENERGY
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=13131&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/3/04&replies=26
WE ARE CRUCIBLES FOR TRANSFORMATION
http://www.operationterra.com/Messages/Vol03/Crucible_.html
That all pretty much covers a lot! So enjoy, while you can...
A meditation that is needed to raise body's vibrations and to become a 4d being has recently leaked out. Of course not from "spiritual guides", angels, etc.(they would never let people know of it, because they want humanity to be dependent on them). My friend tried in and is now in 4d. The 4d is somewhat similar to what Oazaki described, but not as much astral like. If you want more info - PM me.
Cro and Others In Cities Protesting Dubya´s Re-Election....
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20581&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=15
Proof the election was rigged
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=20862&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/4/04&replies=7
QuoteA meditation that is needed to raise body's vibrations and to become a 4d being has recently leaked out. Of course not from "spiritual guides", angels, etc.(they would never let people know of it, because they want humanity to be dependent on them). My friend tried in and is now in 4d. The 4d is somewhat similar to what Oazaki described, but not as much astral like. If you want more info - PM me.
Is that right? Why not meditiate so one can achieve 5d then? And what's so good about being 4d? Is your friend no longer on this planet?
Interesting Cacodemon. Tell me more, I'm curious ;)
I'm very much aware of that forum and his posts there... you seem to be changing your view on Oazaki continuously :P
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I'm very much aware of that forum and his posts there... you seem to be changing your view on Oazaki continuously
This is true. Oazaki is the greatest puzzle I have ever had to solve. Also my view on spirituality is changing continuously, because in last few weeks I've learned very much, and now I know that I was wrong with many things.
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Is that right? Why not meditate so one can achieve 5d then? And what's so good about being 4d? Is your friend no longer on this planet?
He is still there. Transition is just a change in perception, and raising consciousness to much higher level. You can feel then that "we are all one mind" is not a new age dogma, but it's true. Some persons reported also, that in 4d they can see through walls, etc. About 5d: If we would call our normal consciousness level 3d, then logically we would call next 4d, some people are referring to it as 5d, but I think that names don't matter.
Adam:
Sorry but I can not post this info openly now(This has something to do with Oazaki, I can't explain now). I will post it on Astral Pulse when I will check it by myself. I can PM it to you if you want.
Quote from: AdamInteresting Cacodemon. Tell me more, I'm curious ;)
I'm very much aware of that forum and his posts there... you seem to be changing your view on Oazaki continuously :P
Interesting indeed!! Please tell me CaCoDeMoN.. has the mediation something to do with inner Merkeba? (sp?)
Sure man, spin me over a PM. I'd be interested to hear it.
OUTRAGE IN OHIO -- Angry residents storm State House
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=21758&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/6/04&replies=40
BIG STORY OHIO RESISTANCE...
http://www.goroadachi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2161
Hey Cacodemon,
I just got the tool album called Lateralus. Wouldn't ya know there is a track on here called Faaip De Oiad that has a clip of a guy exposing area 51, the same exact interview from Coast to Coast some years ago, that I even mentioned in the Year 2004 prediction, and made a connection with the NSA and their depopulation tactics....
Tool rox!! :twisted:
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Hey Cacodemon,
I just got the tool album called Lateralus. Wouldn't ya know there is a track on here called Faaip De Oiad that has a clip of a guy exposing area 51, the same exact interview from Coast to Coast some years ago, that I even mentioned in the Year 2004 prediction, and made a connection with the NSA and their depopulation tactics....
Tool rox!!
Yea, and they have great metaphysical knowledge. The song "Lateralis" is about astral projection, find out by yourself what others are about. And about cover: the image was designed by Alex Grey, and I think that it shows how person looks in 4d. We have another TooL fan! :D
Yea alex grey is a cool. www.alexgrey.com
Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked
by Thom Hartmann
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
America 2004 is Germany 1930
http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm
Good Grief...America of 2004 is not Germany of 1930.
Bush isn't Hitler. If he were, he would have shut down the internet on day one of his presidency.
The country isn't festering over a lost war from over a decade ago.
Half the population isn't unemployed. It is actually only about 5 or 6 percent.
There aren't food riots in the streets.
The constitution hasn't been declared null and void nor is it likely to be.
And most of all, the public is more vigilant than the Germans of the time who were looking for a savior to save them from their misery. Hitler told them what they wanted to hear. He was a master manipulator and knew his just what his audience would be receptive to.
The world may change, and no doubt, there will be some terrible events in the coming years....but that is true in every time. Hard times come and hard times go just as do good times.
None of which means the USA is about to become a Nazi country. Only if we allow it to become that.
The future is yet to be...ever changing with our individual and collective choices and how we choose to respond to events is as important as the events themselves. The trick is to choose wisely and not to believe every hairbrained theory put forth by people with questionable motives and agendas.
Haha!! Do you think they'd ever do those things in the open Jenadots? These wankers are far more sophisticated than that.
ditto
Adam & Quiet Storm, aren't you two of the people who claim George Bush is dumb as a bag of rocks?
So how could he possibly be smart enough to manipulate the whole country into Nazi-ism?
And sophistication means nothing in the face of a population that is, and always has been, a rather disobedient and troublesome bunch - and a well-armed bunch at that.
So let the wankers as you call them try.....doesn't mean they will succeed. :D
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Adam & Quiet Storm, aren't you two of the people who claim George Bush is dumb as a bag of rocks?
Count me as number three. The guy might not be the brightest crayon in the box, but he's definitely got some very intelligent (for whatever else they may be) people behind him. Dubya is just a visible front for the neo-con movement who happened to have enough name recognition to make him the most electable of the bunch.
Nothing ever happens in politics by accident, give them a leader he'll open the gates, in we go! George Bush and associates are doing Gods will; whether they know it or not. If this were not so he would not be president, we must remember god punishes those he loves. To understand Gods love you must be prepared to ask yourself, what if god hates me for gods unconditional love is slightly different from mans love. Ask yourselves who is being punished now? All this was warned in the Reading Of Nature, which was written via Spontaneous semiconscious soul communication, as is this. Due to Oazaki's early deception this was overlooked. I can't say it worries me; I have happy and sad joyful thoughts, which will look after me, but woe to the man who spends his last hours screaming in panic where shall his thoughts take him?
What you reap is what you sow
I didn't say Americans were being turned into nazi's. I think though that this situation is very similar to what went on then in germany, in the 1930's and as explained in that artile. Even though and I still do sometimes, I don't like what Bush does. I don't think, he views his life as all that bad, and that he has fun, and his life is no less than an adventure/quest to seek w/e he desires. The re-election does have it's purpose and it should be recognized for what it is and hey I think some can learn more about themselves through their reactions towards his presidency. But that is of course for the time being. The president stole the election, and that's that. Votes are supposed to count right? It's part of democracy. 49% of America might still not like the presidency.
Bush is Bush, I accept what is going on, on one end, and no the other I have other inclinations toward him, because I think, I can catch certain glimpses of understanding toward his situation, to get a 3rd eye view of it. Some like greed and lust, and I guess I can understand that, I've been there before. But that doesn't mean I can't have my own emotions toward the things which I think I could have been done better for the purpose of whatever I want to do, especially if for justice, and if in another system of government. The democracy, and the set of martial laws that were dictated that were dictated to be implemented by the presidents after him in case of 'major' emergency or anarchy or w/e are kind of opressing and limiting, but I do accept it for it's purpose. It may just be that an 'all volunteer army' really means that, and anything like UN 'peacecorps' troops or other allied armies can join for the purpose of fulfilling one of 'gods' will. Being taken to a prisoner camp is avoidable even when in case of where martial law has been in place. I'd probably just have to keep cool, and do the right thing, and that's just probably stay in the house so that I don't get shot because I was taken as a terrorist or perhaps I CAN get out, but I'd just have to get out of their way and not get all crazy with them and convict them for something which may or may not be true, or somthing else which they may not like and provoke them to do something to me which I don't like. There might be that chance, that some of the security, could do w/e they want, like in the Abu Gharaib prison, but I think that all has to do with being at the right place at the right time, because not all will be that way I think.
I had a dream the other nite, of a bunch of elites getting into a gun fight and killing each other, and the cops in the area watching knew what was going on, and just let it happen. The cops didn't do anything to me, they cared for the citizens, and if anything, they saw the good in w/e that was occuring, perhaps they didn't like Bush either. And I also didn't do anything stupid.
SO I think that all has to do with just how one handles that kind of fascism. Not to flip out and stuff or be too resistant because if anything god punishes when one steps out of line, for whatever that line may be defined by that moment's nature may be. That of course does certainly not mean that one can't defend what they are, what they stand for, and their lives if and when in danger. That's all in nature's purpose. And I think you should already know that....
I of course, could be wrong as hell tho... :shock:
edit: thought you could be interested, this article is related: What´s Up on Planet Earth? Part II: The Election http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/New%20Alerts.htm
This is interesting:Law to introduce GOD above the US Supreme Court
The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004"
...the [Bushies] in Washington are pushing a law through Congress that would "acknowledge God as the sovereign source of law, liberty [and] government" in the United States. What´s more, it would forbid all legal challenges to government officials who use the power of the state to enforce their own view of "God´s sovereign authority." Any judge who dared even hear such a challenge could be removed from office.
The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" is no joke; it was introduced last month by some of the Bush Regime´s most powerful Congressional sycophants. If enacted, it will effectively transform the American republic into a theocracy, where the arbitrary dictates of a "higher power" -- as interpreted by a judge, policeman, bureaucrat or president -- can override the rule of law.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/23/33620/186
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HR3799ConstitutionRestorationAct.html
discussion:http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=22808&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/10/04&replies=44
LOS ANGELES, November 9, 2004 - At 7:50 PM two armored tanks showed up at an anti-war protest in front of the federal building in Westwood. The tanks circled the block twice, the second time parking themselves in the street and directly in front of the area where most of the protesters were gathered. Enraged, some of the people attempted to block the tanks, but police quickly cleared the street. The people continued to protest the presence of the tanks, but about ten minutes the tanks drove off. It is unclear as to why the tanks were deployed to this location. Uploaded here is video from the event.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/11/118865_comment.php#118868
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=25017&topic=3&showdate=11/10/04
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=25121&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/10/04&replies=53
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=25265&topic=3&showdate=11/10/04
Whoa, QS -- no evidence...absolutely none, that Bush stole the election. Dan Rather who would have loved to report that, even admits there is no sign of it. Kerry isn't even hinting at it.
Besides, under the surface, those two are more alike than anyone wanted to recognize.
And no one is waiting outside of your house to take you to some prison camp and torture you. And you can't possibly be afraid some woman soldier is going to put undies on your head and point and laugh at you privates. I have no doubt that all of the people who have been beheaded this year would gladly trade places with those Iraqi prisoners - who walked out of there with their heads attached.
Get a grip. Not that terrible things can't happen here. A watchful vigilence is in order to prevent concentration camps and dictatorship of any kind here. That has always been true throughout our history.
And so what if somebody wants to say we are a nation ruled by God? OK, fine...just nod and go on living your life as usual. You won't get rounded up in the middle of the night for not going to church or whatever.
Have you noticed people in your neighborhood disappearing? Have you been threatened with arrest? Has anyone tried to take away your computer? No.
So, maybe, just maybe, you are believing things that are not necessarily true and are being a bit too paranoid.
And birdman -- unconditional love does not involve hate and I have no idea what you were talking about.
Bush is smart, Bush is dumb....
Think I'll stay home and suck my thumb!
F.Scott Fitzgerald said: The rich are different from you and me. And they surely are. The same is true of people in power, be it corporate, political, or religious. It changes them. For some it brings out the best in them and for others the worst. Most just muddle along doing whatever it takes to stay in power. Hence, the wisdom of the 2 presidential terms only tradition and now law.
They all have to be watched. The press is supposed to do that. But the press is too obsessed with scandals and sexual adventures to actually focus on investigating real issues.
So be watchful, yes. But don't be so overly fearful that you don't go out of the house and enjoy life. You are much too young for that.
w/e jenadots. I'm not here to change your opinion. TO each his/her own opinion, enjoy it.
You dont like what I post ok then, that is fine, but I'm just letting people think w/e they want. I post the evidence, and the news and I let them choose for themselves. You don't want to see the evidence, ok, I can't make you, what the hell?
and in no way did I say I was fearful of all this.
also, what if statements or ideas do not mean that is what I beleive will inviolably happen jena...
I just state what I feel, jot down some ideas.
US Troops Reportedly Gassing Fallujah
http://www.islamonline.org/English/News/2004-11/10/article05.shtml
Unfortunately I think the evidence - or at least the physical evidence - has been mostly concealed from view, so people have had to use their non-physical senses/perceptions to gain information and insight on the situation.
I don't even bother trying to explain this stuff to people that don't see it for themselves in the first place, because I find it's like banging my head against a wall... but with people who do see, it's like not even an issue, we both see it... there's no disagreement :P
And i still can't quite understand some of the reactions (the hostile and not-so-friendly ones) towards Oazaki that occured here in his 'Year 2004: Prediction' thread. Bit of a shame, I think.
QuoteAnd i still can't quite understand some of the reactions (the hostile and not-so-friendly ones) towards Oazaki that occured here in his 'Year 2004: Prediction' thread. Bit of a shame, I think.
There were actually a couple of reasons for this.
First of all, he didn't (and probably won't in future) admit his failures. He failed with his predictions (besides other stuff) and just said that it was "planned" from the beginning.
Plus, he had obvious megalomaniac tendencies, saying he "slayed" a god (iirc) and has the power to control karma and what not.
Then his limitless arrogance.
So, it's imho not surprising that people get not-so-nice and hostile against a megalomaniac and arrogant person, who continously fails without admitting it.
The problem with Oazaki is, he seems to buy his own stuff, even if it is obviously wrong. A normal (sane) person would, after a few failures, realize, that something is wrong - be it technique, interpretation, whatever.
Oazaki seems to know his stuff about astrological things. So his failing either means astrology is BS, or that he interprets it the wrong way.
I just wonder how many failures it will take until he "gets it".
There is evidence of election fraud, just look at these links:
http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=26995&Section=News
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html
http://www.nbc4i.com/politics/3894867/detail.html
There are also many others, but mostly reported on local news sites...
QuoteFirst of all, he didn't (and probably won't in future) admit his failures. He failed with his predictions (besides other stuff) and just said that it was "planned" from the beginning.
Well in all fairness, he has always said that specific timetables are the most fluid thing about these predictions, and can't always be accurate. His other consistent statement was that we would know for sure by the end of 2004.
A while back when I was reading up on what he had to say elsewhere, I found this quote here: http://www.darkforum.com/showthread.php?t=40425&page=7&pp=10
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and now we turn to 2004. and the drama begins shortly, very shortly indeed, to unfold. if nothing happens i will admit, fully and freely for all to hear that i was wrong. that is not a problem for me, i have no pride clouding my perception nor do i tie my self-worth to the proven truth or falsity of my belief structure. and i ask once again, and for the last time, if things do begin to happen, will you all admit - to yourselves more than to me, for it is your own being which is important here - that you were wrong? and how long before external events force you to so admit this to yourself? and will you do so before it is too late?
So there ya have it. If 1/1/05 rolls around and nothing has happened on a global scale that can be irrefutably attributed to Oazaki, he has said that he will admit his error, and he should be called on it. If the opposite should happen, then I will be happy to concede that he was right, and I hope that even those who dismissed his claims most vehemently will have the balls to do so as well. There's no shame in being honestly mistaken... but willfully continuing in error is both dishonorable and extremely foolish.
QuotePlus, he had obvious megalomaniac tendencies, saying he "slayed" a god (iirc) and has the power to control karma and what not.
A lot of people said the same thing about a certain carpenter who made a lot of wacky claims about being the son of God and savior of mankind, and predictions about Jerusalem being sacked and its temple destroyed within a generation. The latter part of that is historically verifiable, and the former has convinced a lot of very intelligent people throughout history, even if you don't happen to believe it.
Secondly, I'm sure that a few centuries ago, if you said that one day man would control the power of lightning as easily as flipping a switch, people would likely have tried to burn you at the stake. If there is such a phenomenon as karma, then it is part of the laws of the universe, and can be controlled, and it's only a matter of time until someone figures out how. So, why not now?
The point is that grandiose claims should not be dismissed simply because they are outside our realm of experience.
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So, it's imho not surprising that people get not-so-nice and hostile against a megalomaniac and arrogant person, who continously fails without admitting it.
Not so nice, sure... but I think the reaction to Oazaki has almost bordered on the bizarre at times. In all my years online, I've seen failed predictions and egotistical a-holes by the truckload... but *never* have I seen any of them run into the kind of extreme reactions and censorship he has so consistently encountered. I'm not sure what it means; it's just always seemed strange to me... especially on a site where, if you think about it, most of the stuff we talk about is pretty strange to begin with.
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I just wonder how many failures it will take until he "gets it".
I s'pose we'll know for sure in about a month and a half.
QuoteWell in all fairness, he has always said that specific timetables are the most fluid thing about these predictions, and can't always be accurate. His other consistent statement was that we would know for sure by the end of 2004.
Yes, but if I remember correctly, he often said (AFTER the "deadline", that is), that the dates he gave were false from the beginning, and that he planned it this way, and that is nothing more than a cheap "excuse" in my opinion. He could have just said that he was wrong with the date(s).
QuoteSo there ya have it. If 1/1/05 rolls around and nothing has happened on a global scale that can be irrefutably attributed to Oazaki, he has said that he will admit his error, and he should be called on it. If the opposite should happen, then I will be happy to concede that he was right, and I hope that even those who dismissed his claims most vehemently will have the balls to do so as well. There's no shame in being honestly mistaken... but willfully continuing in error is both dishonorable and extremely foolish.
I really hope that he keeps his word. If his predictions really come to pass in the next 1 1/2 months (which is extremely unlikely), then I will admit that I was wrong with my opinion about his predictions.
QuoteSecondly, I'm sure that a few centuries ago, if you said that one day man would control the power of lightning as easily as flipping a switch, people would likely have tried to burn you at the stake. If there is such a phenomenon as karma, then it is part of the laws of the universe, and can be controlled, and it's only a matter of time until someone figures out how. So, why not now?
But how would that work? Karma is, afaik, either cause and effect, or "divine judgement". So if it is cause and effect, he feeds his enemies all their causes and effects (which doesn't make sense at all) until they die and vanish on every plane.
If it is "divine judgement", then this means his enemies were doomed to vanish in the first place, which means that Oazaki has nothing to do with their vanishing, as it would be, again, only the effect of karma. Well, unless you believe that he is in control of the "divine system", which would make him the most powerful being of the universe, or in other words: god.
And I'm still alive as you see, so he can't be that powerful. If you consider the fact that I'm neither a magican, nor do I do any energy work, or any banishing or defense spells and techniques, then this means it's probably quite easy for a skilled psychic to attack and harm me. But so far, nothing. I'm still waiting for an effect. So either he did nothing until now, or he is not what he claims to be.
QuoteNot so nice, sure... but I think the reaction to Oazaki has almost bordered on the bizarre at times. In all my years online, I've seen failed predictions and egotistical a-holes by the truckload... but *never* have I seen any of them run into the kind of extreme reactions and censorship he has so consistently encountered. I'm not sure what it means; it's just always seemed strange to me... especially on a site where, if you think about it, most of the stuff we talk about is pretty strange to begin with.
It didn't begin with extreme reactions, iirc, but it got worse after more people started to question him, his motives, and so on (again, iirc). I don't remember all the 9083475 pages of the thread, so I don't know what the main reason was, but I remember that Oazaki wasn't completely innocent in the whole thing, as he was quite arrogant and offensive to his critics.
But I agree that the censorship was not good. It would have been enough if they had locked the threads.
QuoteI s'pose we'll know for sure in about a month and a half.
Indeed.
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Yes, but if I remember correctly, he often said (AFTER the deadline passed, that is), that the dates he gave were false from the beginning, and that he planned it this way, and that is nothing more than a cheap "excuse" in my opinion.
Yeah, "cheap excuse" occurred to me too. However, this concept of his, of making predictions on days that they are astrologically guaranteed to fail, in order to prevent something from occurring, is somewhat intriguing IMO, and, at the very least, logically consistent. So, while that part made me skeptical, I'm still at least giving it the benefit of the doubt, and a few points for creativity.
QuoteBut how would that work? Karma is, afaik, either cause and effect, or "divine judgement". So if it is cause and effect, he feeds his enemies all their causes and effects (which doesn't make sense at all) until they die and vanish on every plane.
The way I understand it, he'd be feeding them all the effects of their causes, all at once, heh. The way I once described it in one of these threads was similar to the movie The Crow if you've ever seen it. If not, it's about a guy who rises from the dead to avenge his own murder, and the rape/murder of his girlfriend. During the climax, Eric (crow-boy) and the evil guy whose name I don't remember are fighting on a rooftop, and Eric is losing, when he says "I have something for you... I don't want it anymore." He puts his hands on the guy's head and says "24 hours of pain. All at once. All for you." at which point there's a quick succession of flashbacks to everything his girlfriend went through before she died. The force of this sends the guy falling down the roof onto a large spire. That would be an example of someone being fed their karma all at once... except in Oazaki's case, he's claiming that the amount of karma these people have accumulated over many lifetimes is enough to destroy them "on all levels" if they get it all at once.
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If it is "divine judgement", then this means his enemies were doomed to vanish in the first place, which means that Oazaki has nothing to do with their vanishing, as it would be, again, only the effect of karma. Well, except you believe that he is in control of the "divine system", which would make him the most powerful being of the universe, or in other words: god.
Actually, the way I'd fit him in would be as an agent of God's will, similar to how angels are used in the Bible. They're able to control cosmic forces not because they're more powerful than God, but because God gives them that ability in order to carry out specific tasks. For a more human example, we could say that it was God's will for Jesus to be crucified for the salvation of mankind, but for that to happen it was necessary for Judas to betray him. Thus, it was fated to happen from the beginning, but it took the actions of quite a few players to pull it off in practice.
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And I'm still alive as you see,
Or... are you? o_O Heheh...
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so he can't be that powerful. If you consider the fact that I'm neither a magican, nor do I do any energy work, or any banishing or defense spells techniques, then this means it's probably quite easy for a skilled psychic to attack and harm me. But so far, nothing. I'm still waiting for an effect. So either he did nothing until now, or he is not what he claims to be.
I'm hesitant to talk about this here as I don't want to be responsible for another thread getting pulled by overzealous mods. However, I will say that yes, this is another strike against him... though not enough to count him out completely IMO. It could be that he can't do it, or it could be that he just hasn't for whatever reason. Personally, if *I* was who he claims to be, I would probably leave you alone *because* you don't have any psychic abilities, as I'd figure that it's not entirely fair to do that to someone who is not able to see things that haven't yet been presented in a physical way. But that's just me... I can't really speculate on what someone's motives may be, especially if they're the Master of the Universe (tm). :Þ
QuoteIt didn't begin with extreme reactions, iirc, but it got worse after more people started to question him, his motives, and so on (again, iirc). I don't remember all the 9083475 pages of the thread, so I don't know what the main reason was, but I remember that Oazaki wasn't completely innocent in the whole thing, as he was quite arrogant and offensive to his critics.
Eh, to me it seemed more like he gave back what people gave him. I say this because I questioned and debated with him as much as anyone else... but I always tried to be civil about it, and he was always civil to me. On the other hand, there were the folks who were condescending and simply mocked his claims without really offering any kind of logical rebuttal, and he was condescending and arrogant right back. I'm not going to say either side was right, but I also didn't think any of it was all that surprising, or excessively inflammatory.
Jenadots, the unconditional love I am talking about I think is a little different from the unconditional love that I think you are thinking about.
For example, a child misbehaves badly and continues to do so. The child won't realise that it is behaving badly until it is shown by someone that it is behaving badly. The mother finds it hard to punish her child but she can still punish the child and love the child at the same time due to her unconditional love of the child of which she created. Therefore when I mention that to grasp god unconditional love, I mean to say that you must remember that even though god loves us his unconditional love is slightly different from our earthly view of unconditional love. If man misbehaves continuously he is crying out for gods unconditional love. Therefore to try and grasps gods unconditional love you must imagine what it would be like if god hated you. I was not saying that god hates us I was saying to try and understand unconditional love this view could be contemplated.
One would need unconditional love to wipe out an entire planet full of inhabitants dearly loved.
Neither am I hostile to Oazaki, I speak the truth I have left information around that when contemplated earnestly proves Oazaki's deception. And who said his predictions failed? Could he be waiting on someone?
Judas did not betray Jesus; the kiss on the cheek was a mark of respect! Hint, hint
It was common practice for the Jews not to talk to the gentiles, therefore the Jews/believers where in the know, the gentiles were not in the know and understandably were a bit confused and wondered why the Jews wanted to kill what they 'Gentiles' perceived as the Jews own messiah.
Hey Palehorse,
Thanks for the honest support, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Veccolo: I'd like to add also that he DID admit he was wrong fully on that last prediction about october, but he said he gave his best at it. He gave an honest reason too, which was that he had done the prediction a couple months ago and that it was based on the psychic energies permeateing the earth at that time. Things probably changed since then.
all the other predictions, well, you know the 'excuses' he gave but it's all in 2004.
Veccolo, I am quite glad you are still here, because I thought Oazaki shouldn't have messed with you for reasons that Palehorse described. But I'm suprised you haven't mentioned that I AM is resting, whether for cardiac arrest or the fight with Oazaki, or a little bit of both. TBH, I don't think still that is enough to prove Oazaki is who he says he is because of the openness of possibilties. I'm kind of in the middle right now of beleiving him and not, maybe with Palehorse. I'm also trying to know if Oazaki is who he is. No matter what tho, it has been all the time that both perspectives to me are right, for their own time and personal perspective...
BirdmanKalki: Interesting opinion on love. I think it's quite right. I'd like to quote something from an email oazaki sent me on love, which I asked him about because I wasn't sure how one could love something and yet still have other inclinations toward it.
"As for love, the thing to realise is that you can love something,
which basically means accept it unconditionally, AND ALSO have other
emotions / inclinations in relation to it. such as for example the
belief that it must be destroyed or redefined or changed. Best way to
get this one is to think of a parent who does truly love her child but
nevertheless still scolds it for walking on the cliff edge. You see,
you do have to love and accept all unconditionally as part of the
mystical path. But that does mean that you are blind to the faults
and errors of that which you love and accept. You recognise them and,
if necessary, work to remove them."
That pretty much sums that up.
Quote from: Quiet_StormVeccolo: I'd like to add also that he DID admit he was wrong fully on that last prediction about october, but he said he gave his best at it. He gave an honest reason too, which was that he had done the prediction a couple months ago and that it was based on the psychic energies permeateing the earth at that time. Things probably changed since then.
Really? I knew he made another prediction in this prophecy forum, but I didn't read it, and I'm not that interested in it. But it's nice to see that he finally admitted a failure ;)
QuoteVeccolo, I am quite glad you are still here,
Thanks :)
Quotebecause I thought Oazaki shouldn't have messed with you for reasons that Palehorse described. But I'm suprised you haven't mentioned that I AM is resting, whether for cardiac arrest or the fight with Oazaki, or a little bit of both. TBH, I don't think still that is enough to prove Oazaki is who he says he is because of the openness of possibilties. I'm kind of in the middle right now of beleiving him and not, maybe with Palehorse. I'm also trying to know if Oazaki is who he is. No matter what tho, it has been all the time that both perspectives to me are right, for their own time and personal perspective...
Well, nobody asked for my opinion about his death. I don't think Oazaki had anything to do with it, his death has most certainly to do with his badly injured neck, but I don't know any specifics, so it's just speculation.
Palehorse told me in a PM that shortly after the message of the death of I AM was posted on OF, Oazaki made a thread which I have missed. In this thread he offered me to change my opinion about him. Well, Oazaki, if you read this, then be assured that I won't change my opinion about you that easily (not that it would matter to you, I'm sure you don't give a rats a** ;) ). The "challenge" still stands, so, don't hesitate to use your powers against me just because I don't have any psychic skills. Remember, it was you who made that offer to prove your powers.
If you won't do that for whatever reason, then what about this: Heal my grandma. My grandma had a stroke some years ago, since that time she can neither walk alone, nor speak clearly, and has breathing problems. A week ago, she had another little stroke (well, the doctors are not too sure what it was), which resulted in losing her consciousness. She is now in the hospital, regained consciousness and seems to be "fine" now, means, the same condition she had before this second stroke.
So, if you don't want to harm me, try healing her from her problems (speaking, breathing, walking). This is another way to prove your powers. If you need any specific details, let me know it.
@QS:
You are in contact with him, aren't you?. So, if he doesn't happen to read this message, would you please tell him about it? Thanks.
Well Yasa Arofat died today. Some say that this may be the begining of peace in the middle East. Thats quite a big change for this year
You can say that again. Or can you? It could just turn into another power vacuum.
QuoteJudas did not betray Jesus; the kiss on the cheek was a mark of respect! Hint, hint
It was common practice for the Jews not to talk to the gentiles, therefore the Jews/believers where in the know, the gentiles were not in the know and understandably were a bit confused and wondered why the Jews wanted to kill what they 'Gentiles' perceived as the Jews own messiah.
Well, I actually give consideration (if not full acceptance) to the theory that there was a private agreement between Jesus and Judas to do what had to be done. Part of the reason is that 30 shekels of silver was not very much money at all... but the amount had prophetic significance. So I don't think Judas was doing it for personal gain. However, the fact remains that the kiss was what signaled the authorities which guy to arrest... so whether you want to say it was a betrayal or a prearranged signal, the effect is basically the same.
Quote"Its called a changeover, the moive goes on and nobody has any idea"
Y'know, I saw that movie the other day, and that made me think of you. What an awesome movie, though. /random
Quotehis death has most certainly to do with his badly injured neck, but I don't know any specifics, so it's just speculation.
IAM once talked about exactly what his injury was... unfortunately I don't remember much more than "really bad neck injury caused by ejecting from a plane years ago." Anyway, I get the impression that it's kind of a stretch to connect an old neck injury with sudden heart failure. I'm no anatomy expert though, so it's quite possible that I'm missing something.
QuoteYou can say that again. Or can you? It could just turn into another power vacuum.
I think that's probably a bit closer to the reality of it. Regardless of what forces may be behind current events though, they sure are interesting, aren't they?
QuoteIAM once talked about exactly what his injury was... unfortunately I don't remember much more than "really bad neck injury caused by ejecting from a plane years ago." Anyway, I get the impression that it's kind of a stretch to connect an old neck injury with sudden heart failure. I'm no anatomy expert though, so it's quite possible that I'm missing something.
Heh, I didn't know that he died from a sudden heart failure. So this rules out the neck. Sudden heart failure itself is not that uncommon, happens every year to hundreds of thousands of people (world wide), and some just die from it. Also, I AM (referring to a photo) wasn't the youngest anymore, so the risk of (sudden) heart failure is, of course, even higher.
Well, never mind. May he rest in peace.
Quote from: PalehorseAnyway, I get the impression that it's kind of a stretch to connect an old neck injury with sudden heart failure.
I AM had been in fairly extreme pain for years, decades in fact, and, I believe, had struggled on far longer than was expected. Recent work on his neck had exacerbated the pain which directly lead to the heart attack. It's my understanding that it was far from a surprise. But I'm not an expert on his condition and I find speculation on this just a tad distasteful, so, onwards...
Quote from: VeccoloThe "challenge" still stands
Wasn't the challenge to be done before the end of September? I thought that nonsense was behind us. I didn't even get the "unshakeable and inviolable" proof of his power that he adamantly claimed I would by that date.
QuoteWasn't the challenge to be done before the end of September? I thought that nonsense was behind us. I didn't even get the "unshakeable and inviolable" proof of his power that he adamantly claimed I would by that date.
I thought that too, but then I got the PM from Palehorse in which he told me that Oazaki gives me another chance (isn't he nice?) to change my position about him. That happened, of course, shortly after the death of I AM, which came in quite handy for Oaz.
Well, whatever. I'm stopping with this Oazaki-chapter for sure now, because its getting boring, to be honest. I know that he is a fraud, you know it, and many others know it. We have one and a half month for the death of bush, an american civil war, the transition to 4d, major meteor impacts, and what not.
Oazaki case closed - for me, at least.
Their may not have even been a (private agreement). Picture the scene you're sitting down at a table with someone you have seen perform undeniable miracles, you love this person with all your heart and would do anything to protect him this man has change your life and many others he has taught you how to live and everything you took for granted. He informs you that one of you will betray him. Imagine the paranoia amongst the disciples, this person is always right he raised Lazarus from the dead via the power of his words; this means they know one of them would betray Jesus. Now the disciples assure Jesus that they won't betray him. These disciples weren't listening hence the symbolic reference of the disciples sleeping when they should have been guarding Jesus while he was praying in the garden. Thus those who assured Jesus they wouldn't betray him didn't listen carefully to what was hinted to them. And how hard it must have been for Judas to come to his decision, a decision he had to make not knowing if it was right or wrong, if he misread his master's words or if his ego was tricking him, I would say that is a pretty hard decision.
Every-time I watch that movie I notice something new. Did you know that the book of that film was written amongst the public, and that the author wrote in public what he saw? I think this is a very significant fact, we all know how weird reality can get. It is of my opinion that the film is designed to reawaken the light from within. If watched with that intent, (as if it where gods word) because everything is god word. A long time ago I read somewhere about some native tribes that used music to communicate with their gods. I decided to try this out and I have stuck to it and learnt to get better at decoding from this practice for it gives insight into the universal mind via decoding new tunes.
For example limb bizkit's track full nelson gives an insight into Gods wrath.
Why is everybody always picking on me?
Does anybody really know a thing about me?
One of these days we'll be in the same place
In the same place punk, at the very same time
And when it takes place
And you wanna talk sh*t
Then step your butt up, and say it right to my face
You'll get knocked the f*ck out
Cause your mouth's writing checks that your butt can't cash
Knocked straight the f*ck out
Cause your mouth's writing checks that your butt can't cash
I ain't believing all the sh*t you been talking 'bout me
Don't even know me, and still you're talking sh*t about me
One of these days I'm gonna catch you in the act
In the act, red handed
Caught up in the act, punk
And that'll be the day, the one and only day
Then step your butt up, and say it right to my face
You'll get knocked the f*ck out
Cause your mouth's writing checks that your butt can't cash
Knocked straight the f*ck out
Cause your mouth's writing checks that your butt can't cash
Shhhh
So where you at?
Where you been?
I'm sure of the sh*t (I) you was in
Cause this world
Is really small
Can we all get along?
Can we all get along?
And where you at?
Where you been?
I'm sure of the excrement (I) you was in
Cause this world
Is really small
Can we all get along?
Can we all get along?
I'm upset at our people
Who permanently rape us
We're talking
We try to ignore them
Ignore them until they keep talking
They think that they're building an empire
Without us
We've got the torch now
We've got the fire to burn this mutherf*cker down
Town, town
Burn this mutherf*cker down
Town, town
Burn this mutherf*cker now
Down, down
Burn this mutherf*cker now
Down, down
Burn this mutherf*cker
You'll get knocked the f*ck out
Cause your mouth's writing checks that your butt can't cash
Knocked straight the f*ck out
Cause your mouth's writing checks that your butt can't cash
Mutherf*cker!
Just shut your f*cken' mouth!
Bring it on Lethal
Come on
Stepping up and saying it right to my face, translates as your Judgment day.
Another limp bizkit interesting limb bizkit track is faith.
I know not everybody has got a body like me,
but i gotta think twice, before i give my heart away,
and i know all the games you play,
cuz i play them too,
oh but i need some time off from that emotion,
time to pick my heart up off the floor,
but that love comes down without devotion,
well it takes a strong man baby,
but i'm showin' you that door,
i gotta have faith
gotta have faith,
gotta have faith,
gotta have faith!
baby, i know you're askin' me to stay,
say please please please don't go away cuz you're givin' me the blues,
baby, your mind made all the words you say,
can't help but think of yesterday and another who tied me down to the lover boy rules,
before this river becomes an ocean, before you pick my heart up off the floor,
well that love comes down without devotion,
well it takes a strong man baby,
but i'm showin' you that door,
i gotta have faith
gotta have faith,
gotta have faith,
gotta have faith!
get tha f*ck up!!!
i gotta have faith,
i gotta have faith,
i gotta have faith,
i gotta have faith!
faith! ahhhh faith!! ahhhhh!!!!
Hearing these tracks with the earnest intent to hear the words as god's words for the first time can be quite distressing. But what must be remembered is that the lyrics are decoded via the writer's ego. There are many beautiful tunes. And I don't even listen to limp bizkit anymore, these were just examples. I would reccomend Kanya West college dropout for some serious fun decoding!
Music is the language of the soul
George Bush isn't stupid, remember don't believe anything that you see on TV. If he were stupid how come he is president? If somebody believes they are more intelligent then someone else it makes them feel good about themselves.
In fact, I am quite interested to see who fills the power vacuum. Of course, you know that the choices are between a worse power or a less worse power. Both options have worse power in them.
I am also interested about the presidential election in Iraq. 150 parties and three weeks to choose one. Man, it take America two years just to pick from two (or possibly three if you consider Nader or any other candidate like that). I also suspect that this election will result in a power vacuum as well. You have to remember to that power is greed and greed is one of the seven deadly sins;).
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QuoteTheir may not have even been a (private agreement). Picture the scene you're sitting down at a table with someone you have seen perform undeniable miracles, you love this person with all your heart and would do anything to protect him this man has change your life and many others he has taught you how to live and everything you took for granted. He informs you that one of you will betray him. Imagine the paranoia amongst the disciples, this person is always right he raised Lazarus from the dead via the power of his words; this means they know one of them would betray Jesus. Now the disciples assure Jesus that they won't betray him. These disciples weren't listening hence the symbolic reference of the disciples sleeping when they should have been guarding Jesus while he was praying in the garden. Thus those who assured Jesus they wouldn't betray him didn't listen carefully to what was hinted to them. And how hard it must have been for Judas to come to his decision, a decision he had to make not knowing if it was right or wrong, if he misread his master's words or if his ego was tricking him, I would say that is a pretty hard decision.
So you're saying that when Jesus said one of them would betray him, he was *telling* one of them to betray him and giving them all a major test to see who would have the balls to do it, correct? Very very interesting. It might also explain why Judas had second thoughts after the deed was done, and killed himself... which he probably wouldn't have done if Jesus had flat out told him to do it. I do think that when Jesus said "what you're about to do, do quickly" he was giving him the go-ahead, though. If this is really what happened, then it's a damn shame he didn't live to see the resurrection. :(
As for Limp Bizkit being the word of God... blasphemy! Not because I have a problem with the concept... but because I can't bloody stand LB. :P
That's some interesting stuff to think about too, though. In the past I almost started a thread listing all the stuff in my music collection that refers or is themed after a lot of the stuff we talk about here... there's quite a lot of it. Maybe I still will when I have time.
Palehorse, you got my PM yeah? Got around to contacting Oazaki?
Well, Adam if you want to talk to Oazaki then you should probably head over to my forum. He has been lurking around there pretty much since it first got started.
Probably because he really likes the Khuli :D .
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QuoteThat's some interesting stuff to think about too, though. In the past I almost started a thread listing all the stuff in my music collection that refers or is themed after a lot of the stuff we talk about here... there's quite a lot of it. Maybe I still will when I have time.
That's funny, I've noticed that too...
INSIDE THE ELECTION FRAUD BATTLE Kerry Is Involved In This Fight
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=28811&topic=3&showdate=11/15/04
So that shows Kerry might be doing something.
I may not be posting as much as I used to because... well I get the feeling people are seeing this as "whining" when really, I've just been trying to honestly "wake people up" before this "transition" oazaki was talking about and all. I saw the faults (and otherwise) of that. And to tell the truth, I'm thinking of entering a more effective 'arena'. I'll be spending alot of time(w/e time may be needed) to build myself up to some kind of 'proper' financial situation like money, 'status', and getting resources needed (cuz right now I don't have any of that excrement, I'm just going to an online school right now (oh I know what fun I have placed myself on to!) or w/e to build some kind of small community, or social grouping, of the ideals I think should be set in place, reguardless of what Oazaki thinks, because right now, I just can't see Oazaki's stuff coming true without me doing something. I can't just sit back and wait for Oazaki. I am in the zhedhi order and I'm supposed to be some kind of a senator!? And even if I wasn't in the zhedhi order I still have a duty and purpose to stop what I don't think is right in my life, and work to remove whatever I don't want to be, because I am responsible for my own. If Oazaki's plan was not meant to work, then he would just be inspiration. I know alot, and I can't just let it stay inside me I have to take responsibility for what I know, just as I think everyone else should have done. SO until then if you don't see that much anymore, you'll know why. I'll be planning, and I'll be planning some more and taking action.
I will of course though, post when I feel like it, because I do beleive SOME are reading this, perhaps not like they used to though because so much time has gone and.. nothing.
but w/e, I may not have covered everything and "oh well" if not.
Don't forget there's a month and a half left before the end of 2004. Remember - it's supposed to go from practically invisible, to "holy sh*t!!!!!", all in one quick sweep.
Me, I'm not sure about it. Time will tell, I guess.
Oh and while I remember, the weather is bloody psycho down here. It's normally a little crazy in Melbourne, but lately it's just been totally nutty. Going from raining to sunny to raining to sunny and bloody hot to raining etc. all in the space of one day!!! I'm convinced God is schizo.
Well, QS, at least you are finally doing something for your own future and doing an on-line school.
Maybe next year, you might actually sign up for a real college and start enjoying all that life has to offer. It is a good thing. :D
Well actually Adam I know for a fact that Oazaki's plan will not occur the same way that he specified. Of course, something like it will occur.
This has already begun and has been around even before oazaki made his first posts anywhere.
Later
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Maybe next year, you might actually sign up for a real college and start enjoying all that life has to offer. It is a good thing. :D
As someone who forsees quite a few all-nighters and an ungodly amount of coffee in my future in the next month or so, I say: shush, you. :P
Seriously though QS, I think that's a pretty good plan. The people who sever all ties with the world to sit around and wait for Armageddon are invariably disappointed, and at worst, financially screwed.
'Tis much better to use what the system has to offer to your benefit. Take care of your biological needs without investing too much of yourself in it, and use your accumulated resources to oppose the system from within, while simultaneously building the future of your choice for yourself and others.
Quote'Tis much better to use what the system has to offer to your benefit. Take care of your biological needs without investing too much of yourself in it, and use your accumulated resources to oppose the system from within, while simultaneously building the future of your choice for yourself and others.
exactly
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Noon turns to night as cloud blacks out sun
(China Daily)
Updated: 2004-11-12 08:57
Day turned to night across Shenyang when a freak cloud formation 8,000 metres deep blanketed the northeastern city.
For over half-an-hour noon was as black as midnight. Cars, buses and lorries went someway to breaking up the darkness.
Tremendous lightening flashes accompanied the phenomena, reports the website www.sina.com.cn.
Convergence of two cloud fronts formed the 8,000-metre-thick connective cloud cluster.
With sky and sun effectively blocked out, visibility was reduced to near zero, according to an expert from the provincial capital's meteorological bureau.
The marvellous spectacle was also reported in many other areas of Liaoning Province and lasted for half an hour in some places, he said.
The meteorologist warned that temperatures are likely to plummet in the coming days.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/12/content_390884.htm
^^ Ok, that's just plain f*cking WEIRD.
QuoteWell actually Adam I know for a fact that Oazaki's plan will not occur the same way that he specified. Of course, something like it will occur.
This has already begun and has been around even before oazaki made his first posts anywhere.
Care to share, Follower of the Khuli? I'm interested as to your view of how it's actually going to turn out, as opposed to Oazaki's view. If you don't want to post that in public, shoot me over a PM.
I saw that. There was other reports of mysterious clouds over northeastern US a couple days ago as well.
As for Oazaki's plan not going exactly as predicted, well, that's just the way it has been going. 2004 still seems like the year, but he has failed in the other predictions. But again, the plan was tied to 2004, and so it is *supposed* to occur in 2004.
Here's something about the weather you were talking about Adam: Australia Faces Future Weather Blitz http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=38955&topic=3&showdate=11/16/04
Wonder what you can do eh? There is something called 'cloud busting' that I have successfully tried, and have been good at, for the small clouds I have busted. Go to www.educateyourself.org and you can find some techniques on how to build a cloud buster as well as bust clouds with your own 2 eyes as I've done. And I'm sure some kind of 'prayer' of intention to the universe/nature/all that is as it works through you (it always does) can do something as well. ;)
and more news! :)
To The Conspiracy
Theory Born: clip "The purpose of the armed struggle is to establish a Jewish state in all the territory that will be captured, from the River Euphrates [in Iraq] to the Egyptian River [Nile]."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20041017-102451-5514r
discussion: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=39213&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/16/04&replies=2
Secretary of State Powell Resigns
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50926-2004Nov15.html
Bush Chooses Rice to Replace Powell
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20041116/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_cabinet
New U.S.-Mexico-Canada security plan
would virtually eliminate national borders
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=38771&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=11/15/04&replies=8
A NEW COSMIC PHASE BEGINS DEC 4, 2004
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=33126