Regarding Michal_E's question in the Conversation thread:
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Could someone in contact with the zeta or a guide ask if an explaination addressing the shifting of the focus of your consciousness to a higher plane resulting in an AP in the simple way described by the zeta can be made available.
I can tell you of my latest experience... after working for 2 days with few sleep I lay in my bed and 'intuitively' (read: by guidance) did the following: I felt love in my heart, just as it was, then for a few seconds pulled myself together emotionally to feel bad, smaal, afraid and so on, just negative, I could feel and almost see my aura shrinking, and then again opened up and reached for love and it was like WOW... like I had stretched an emotional rubber band which then catapulted me right out of my body.
I don't suggest make feeling negativity a habit, as it's the opposite direction of where to go... it just amplified the effect here. I don't know how to call where I ended up, not RTZ, not conventional astral (where all those creepy things are supposed to be.. lol, never saw them), maybe 4th dimension, I'm not clear about all those different namings... I was in my room, could move things (this didn't reach over to physical though)... I'll do more experiments and let you know if I find something.
Probably the key to the 4th dimension is love and emotions... but I'm not sure about the lock and how to insert the key yet :)
goodnight,
Edi
Does anyone have any information on exactly how the mass deaths will occur? Is there a specific way to avoid death, or will death somehow pick and choose who it comes to?
omg is this like zeta hotline? Can I make a request?
They said they were aware of the content of the forum, so here goes :P
I've had dreams the last two nights about aliens. Weather this is just me filling my head with all of this crap, or it actually relates to these scenarios somehow, is unknown to me. I wonder if Zeta has anything to say on that :/
Also, the zetatalk site claims that actual control of psychokinetic abilities by humans in this round is impossible, and psychokenesis only manifests randomly or is uncontrollably triggered. They then mentioned that Yogis were using simple tricks to imitate PK. I personally find this erronous, since I've myself seen and done PK with friends. Not only that, but what HPB experienced in the far east must have been pretty damn spectacular for her to want to come back and write books like she did about it. So, what's with that?
Zeta also said that all our current concepts of God are off. I wonder if this includes the theosophic and vedic concepts of 'god' so to speak. I can't help but wonder how right or wrong HPB was in her writings.
And finally, I wonder what the zetas have to say about stuff like this (http://www.minitru.org/llf/llf2.html) :/
I'm not saying I buy into this stuff completely :P but I'm curious.
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I'm not saying I buy into this stuff completely :P but I'm curious.
With all due respect to Mayatnik and others I think the jury's still out for me, too, but it's definitely and interesting subject. Before Goingslow was banned, I remember him telling me that the only problem he has with the channelings is that you can channel all sorts of beings from the astral that will tell you all sorts of things. It does, however, fit in with a lot of things I already believe and does seem to add more dimension to the ideas of Sitchin, etc.
Serenity1, you wrote
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These are my personal expereinces and reflect no critisism on any individual on this forum, as I enjoy Astral Pulse and the wealth of knoweledge I've found here.
Sorry but I just had to laugh here :)))
Hey, just because there was some discussion about this lately this doesn't mean everyone has to include a disclaimer of this type.. as long as you're not deliberately attacking someone, feel free and safe to write whatever you care about! [:)]
your questions will be dealt with soon
and sorry tab, I forgot your questions about pk, yogis and their tricks! I'll catch up with that too next time, promised :)
See you,
Edi
no_leaf_clover and tab:
I agree with you 2. Like Mayatnik's first massive post says, the truth shall be known. So if these guys are for real, it will be known eventually. I'll keep my eye on them myself and make up my own mind. The channelling or telepathy is a tool that can be used for good or evil. Lets hope these guys aren't being manipulated by somebody out there. Or maybe someone in the astral is just pulling the biggest paractical joke in interdimensional history.[:D] But it could also be the real thing.
But if someone starts asking you to sell all your stuff and move out makes me wonder. Also all the doomsaying is not to my taste. Thank god I don't like kool aid.[:D] But I do have a pair of Adidas[xx(].
I hope they can come up with more concrete proof before its too late. The posts of the conversations are interesting, but they are not overwhelming evidence. And I do tend to give them the benefit of the doubt because of my own experience.
I was thinking about what you wrote and saw how it tied into a buddhist meditation i recently learned called loving-kindness. In this meditation you elicit the higher feeling loving-kindness through visualization, reflection and using a mantra(loving-kindness). I did this meditation upon going to sleep last night with a little twist steered toward stimulating an AP and got good results. I didnt get out but there was the ol' vibrations, lightness in the limbs and a deeper state of awarness.
During the loving-kindness meditation i tried what you said about pulling together negative feelings and then reaching out of that back to love and felt the loving-kindness and deeper state of awareness multiplied. That method you suggested really seemed to be doing something and it felt more natural to me than some of the other techniques i had been trying.
I think the key here is the transferring to a higher state of consciousness, in both our cases it was love. Ap takes a transferring of the mind to a higher state of consciousness and so does the experience of love so i can see how one would lead to the other.
Thanks for sharing your experience it was very helpful in trying to understand a natural approach to ap.
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Originally posted by Edi
Regarding Michal_E's question in the Conversation thread:
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Could someone in contact with the zeta or a guide ask if an explaination addressing the shifting of the focus of your consciousness to a higher plane resulting in an AP in the simple way described by the zeta can be made available.
I can tell you of my latest experience... after working for 2 days with few sleep I lay in my bed and 'intuitively' (read: by guidance) did the following: I felt love in my heart, just as it was, then for a few seconds pulled myself together emotionally to feel bad, smaal, afraid and so on, just negative, I could feel and almost see my aura shrinking, and then again opened up and reached for love and it was like WOW... like I had stretched an emotional rubber band which then catapulted me right out of my body.
I don't suggest make feeling negativity a habit, as it's the opposite direction of where to go... it just amplified the effect here. I don't know how to call where I ended up, not RTZ, not conventional astral (where all those creepy things are supposed to be.. lol, never saw them), maybe 4th dimension, I'm not clear about all those different namings... I was in my room, could move things (this didn't reach over to physical though)... I'll do more experiments and let you know if I find something.
Probably the key to the 4th dimension is love and emotions... but I'm not sure about the lock and how to insert the key yet :)
goodnight,
Edi
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Michael_E: 1. The leaders of our nations make obtaining money a priority, according to them how much money a nation has or is worth is the main indicator of that nations development. What would be some good alternative priorities for our leaders to set,now, to more accurately measure a nations development?
Z: The way of living of its people would be a possible measure... meaning if they are cared for medically, if everyone has access to enough food and other basic things necessary for living. If all basic requirements are met, one could measure the amount of luxury, free time, culture, science etc., and maybe the amount of conflicts.
I thought this was an interesting answer since i had written a paper last semester on the topic of development and how it is measured which also included some discussion on the implications of defining progress or development in terms of net worth instead of access to basic necessities like: food, health, education. It just seems to make more sense to me to set health, and education and some kind of respect or social conscious as a priority as opposed to getting famous or rich, obtaining money at the expense of others.
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Does anyone have any information on exactly how the mass deaths will occur? Is there a specific way to avoid death, or will death somehow pick and choose who it comes to?
One problem I have with all these supposed alien races speaking about mass deaths is how many people seem to unemotionally accept it.
We the white american middle class like to think the mass deaths will be in other countries and that america will be spared. That somehow all the deaths will be total strangers.
How would you feel if one of these aliens admitted to you that 1 of 3 americans would die and that most of your freinds and family were going to be among the dead? what if they told you that you were to be one of teh dead?
It's funny how so many of us imagine ourselves sitting atop a mountain all safe and content while the rest of humanity perishes in grusome and agonizing ways. Would you by chance be watching your enemies perish? Ahhh yes the joy of watching from afar your enemy dying painfully. hmmmmm, that reminds me, I heard a pastor once talk of how those takin in the rapture would be watching the deaths of those who were unsaved. I wonder what kind of person gets pleasure from watching anothers suffering.
Xander
Xander - I don't like the fact that many people suffer at the times surrounding their deaths. However, it is my personal belief that death itself isn't as bad of a thing as people make it out to be or any 'end' to anything except your physical body and your experiences from it. The people that will die in upcoming events (who knows, maybe I'll die too!) will die more or less for a reason: ignorance. Though some of the deaths may be some pretty bad experiences, it's for the benefit of civilized life on Earth, unless you're one that likes what we've been doing to each other for the past thousands of years, and we have done much worse to ourselves.
I know it may sound heathen to those who aren't used to such things, but I've had lots of family members pass on, and it doesn't take me very long to accept it. There's really no reason for anyone to fret over things like that for any extended period of time in the first place, especially if the events haven't even happened yet! My own death isn't even of much concern to me. I simply want to get some things done before I die, and as long as I'm able to do that, I'm all up for eventual death. What scares me is the thought of never dying.
We just look at things differently, I guess.
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Xander it is my personal belief that death itself isn't bad
It's not that I think death is in itself bad. I'm just annoyed by the level of apathy most people have towards one another.
Xander
Xander, why are you talking like america is the whole world? [:(!] [V]
I'm curious, is this "Mass Death" supposed to mean a true death, a death of energy, when once it happens, there is no way of ascending into the astral, or other afterlife areas?
Because if it isn't, i'm not really bothered. We all gotta die sometime. If, however, I learn that this supposed Mass Death means a death of energy in all levels, than I'm gonn start to worry.
Not that I take any of this literally.
When I was a teenager, I used to play with the pendulum, until I learnt you actually subconciously will it to where you want it to go. So I take all this Zeta stuff with a pinch of salt.
There has been, and always will be, people saying "the end of the world is here! NO, there! Agh!"
If it will truly happen, I beleive we as a human collective will learn of it in our own way.
But, that is just my opinion.
Yep
Rob
Why worry if it's the "ultimate death"...? If it is, you won't be anymore so you won't have any regrets/thoughts/feelings/...
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Originally posted by Mrsix
I'm curious, is this "Mass Death" supposed to mean a true death, a death of energy, when once it happens, there is no way of ascending into the astral, or other afterlife areas?
It will be only a physical death. I don't think consciousness can truly be destroyed, but who's to say? It's possible to avoid dying simply by moving away from any possible hazards once things are obviously going in a bad direction for Earth. Afterwards I'd be ready to see some things that haven't been seen on Earth in millenia [:D]
i think we should all look at this in a positive way, like a beginning rather than an end, b/c i think i can safely say that if the ignorant die and the aware/enlightened live, the majority of the people on this forum would live[:)]...we should definitely just make sure to prepare: enlighten as many people as possible, make escape plans if things go bad in the areas where we live, and definitely watch for signs (in dreams, and in the physical)... i had a few dreams around may/june/july 2003 that i'm convinced have to do with the planet coming... in other words, just be prepared for what is to come, whatever that may be.
-Kristina >^x^<
i suspect that in any apocalypse, the split will be more along the lines of luck more than anything else.
Reading the latest chanelling from Edi, I can only ask more questions.
I recently found out that Atlantis might have actually been a part of South America. A scientist (can't remember his name) made lots of measurements and compared everything to ruins that are found on a dried lake bed in South America and everything matches up perfectly, the place is also rich in Oricalcum, a rare ore of Gold, Copper and Tin. Oricalcum was said to be in Atlantis, in Plato's journals.
Sorry everyone for going over old ground, but who exactly are the Nibiru? Are they the 'baddies'? They don't sound like a happy bunch..
I've typed them in the search, but there's just too much info to look for, so could someone be so kind as to wrap it all up in a brief nutshell???
Thanks [:)]
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Sorry everyone for going over old ground, but who exactly are the Nibiru? Are they the 'baddies'? They don't sound like a happy bunch..
I've typed them in the search, but there's just too much info to look for, so could someone be so kind as to wrap it all up in a brief nutshell???
Nibiru is a Sumerian 'word' meaning something like, as Zecharia Sitchin translates it, 'Planet of Crossing'. Nibiru is a 10th planet in our solar system that has the orbit of a comet and comes around every few thousand years. The Sumerians saw it when it last came around and wrote about it, and they were also in contact with extraterrestrials both from that planet and elsewhere. The Sumerians referred to the beings as the Annunaki, or something like 'those who from Heaven to Earth came'. The beings most described in Sitchin's books are the beings from Nibiru, which I guess you can call the Nibiruans. Sitchin refers to them as the Annunaki, though it may very well have been that 'Annunaki' was just a term used for any extraterrestrial race the Sumerians encountered.
The beings from Nibiru aren't out to get us, though from what I understand they are only being allowed to observe the events that will be coming up that will involve the Zeta, Pleiadians, and etc. because of things they were involved with in the past that concerned the human race. You can get much more detailed information from Sitchin's series of books, the
Earth Chronicles.
Thanks alot, that clears up alot of questions i had...
Ta muchley!!!
What I don't understand is how an alien species so advanced couldnt actually create gold themselves, and instead had to mine it, but there you go...
Rob
Sorry but its impossible for any form of intelligent animal life to survive on Nibiru, only forms of life would be microbal and even THEN its unlikely.
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Sorry but its impossible for any form of intelligent animal life to survive on Nibiru, only forms of life would be microbal and even THEN its unlikely.
Nah. I've heard that a lot, and the truth is that not every planet in the universe that is capable of intelligent life is going to be exactly like Earth. If an Earth-like planet was orbiting at distances like the ones Nibiru does, sure, life as we know it would be very basic there. But with a different atmosphere, different mass, different amounts of thermal energy, etc., life would theoretically be able to survive in such a place, and that is exactly what Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, and texts of other origins are pointing towards.
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What I don't understand is how an alien species so advanced couldnt actually create gold themselves, and instead had to mine it, but there you go...
Actually, they probably weren't as advanced as you may think. Our technology now is probably somewhere in the ball park of where their technology was back then. Give us about 100-200 years on our own (depending how fast breakthroughs in rocket fuel, etc. would come), and we would be right on the tails of where they were back in these biblical times. It was the Zeta who had tech enough racked up to build the Pyramids and other huge structures that we can't rebuild with modern equipment.
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Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
It was the Zeta who had tech enough racked up to build the Pyramids and other huge structures that we can't rebuild with modern equipment.
We could rebuild them with our modern equipment or without it given enough manpower and money and the desire to do it. But today slavery isn't in vogue so it would cost quite a bit of money for all the thousands needed to be employed etc.
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We could rebuild them with our modern equipment or without it given enough manpower and money and the desire to do it. But today slavery isn't in vogue so it would cost quite a bit of money for all the thousands needed to be employed etc.
It
may be technically possible for the whole human race to rebuild them, but practically it is impossible and will never happen. If you don't believe that then we can wait until they are rebuilt exactly as they are now. If
we, in our modern culture that totally blows Ancient Egypt out of the water, would have that much trouble so as to make it impossible for all intents and purposes, you can imagine how much trouble an ancient civilization consisting of only about 1 or 2 million people would have. Also, the methods archaeologists believe the Egyptians used to move the blocks onto the pyramid are quite retarded if you look into it (There are no records on how the pyramids were built, and hence archaeologists can only guess based on what primitive tools the Egyptians may have had. These theorized tools, though theoretically efficient for their size and ease of use, would probably not aid much in the construction of structures of this magnitude. On top of this, how the blocks were set into place as the Pyramids ascend are highly controversial.).
When you take into consideration the great sophistication of the Great Pyramids, and compare to the methods and people that supposively made them, things don't match up....
When dated, the upper half of at least one Great Pyramid was dated approximately 1000 years older than the bottom half. Not only can this be an indication of faulty methods of determining age, it may be an indication that some sort of radiation was once emitted or harness into the Pyramids.
As has been mentioned in a separate post in the Astral Chat section, there are references to both the Pyramids and the Sphinx in a Stela from the era of Khufu, and the source of this information has been successfully dated and deemed authentic. Other than this, there apparently aren't many other references to the Great Pyramids from the Egyptians themselves, besides maybe a passing mention. Sort of strange, since they supposively built them, eh?
And, as you may have already heard, the Pyramids lined up perfectly with Orion's Belt in the year 10,500 BC. This was
much earlier than the dates mainstream archaeology will give you on the dates these Pyramids were built on. Yet, in this year
precisely, the Pyramids match up perfectly with the stars of Orion's Belt.
The two bigger Pyramids also line up with other ancient sites of biblical importance. A mountain that some believe to be the mountain from which Moses received the twelve commandments is hit precisely by the imaginary line one can extend from the two bigger Great Pyramids. From here, it doesn't stop. The line hits precisely on an important ancient Sumerian city, and the exact importance can be gathered from reading Sitchin's books. Through other geometric features, the Pyramids also relate directly into a grid that consists of Jerusalem and a great oracle site sacred to the ancient Greeks, among a couple other important biblical sites that I fail to remember. If you wish to know more about this, or attack it if you must, I suggest you flip through the closing two chapters of Sitchin's
Stairway to Heaven as this does a much better job of explaining than I do, unless you would have me post the chapters on this forum (which I have more or less already done for you, and you can find this in the book reviews section).
Further, the Great Pyramids, aside from being by far the greatest pyramids at Giza, are the only pyramids there free of Egyptian hieroglyphics. The only hieroglyphics found are obvious forgeries made by a frustrated man from merry old England, as is also documented in the posting of sections from Sitchin's second
Earth Chronicles book in the book reviews section.
The statues and monuments honoring pharaohs that can be found about the Great Pyramids should not be surprising. Many pharaohs built minor pyramids, the smaller 'fake' ones that skirt around the bases of the more sophisticated ones. In lack of such pyramids for rulers such as Khufu, a Great Pyramid is associated with Khufu. But in light of all this other evidence, would it not be likely for Khufu to, instead of building his own smaller pyramid, associate his name with a Great Pyramid by adorning it with his statue? Surely he would not have a means of building such considerably larger structures and then not hand them over to his successor, and yet the following pyramids seem to diminish in technology, all except for the other two Great Pyramids, of course. And when and why did three separate Pharaohs decide to collaborate (from the dead it seems!) to make their Pyramids form the pattern of the stars in Orion's Belt, or more impossible, the pattern of stars in Orion's Belt as seen in 10,500 BC?
And, the only corpses that ever came to rest within any of the Great Pyramids came there by forced entries into those pyramids. It is well known that the actual supposed pharaohs of the eras supposed to be those in which the pyramids were built were buried some distance away, and there is no evidence that they were ever implanted into any of the Great Pyramids.
In light of this information, surely along with more that I am currently unaware of, I would like to think most people would at least suspect there to be more that we are not told by mainstream archaeology. I would also like to think that in light of all of this and more, others would catch on and spread the information out of curiousity and wonder, for these things are surely not so easily explained or accounted for as of yet! Whether or not we can rebuild them is trivial. I can tell you it will not happen and I suppose you can determine that much on your own.
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Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
As has been mentioned in a separate post in the Astral Chat section, there are references to both the Pyramids and the Sphinx in a Stela from the era of Khufu, and the source of this information has been successfully dated and deemed authentic.
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Further, the Great Pyramids, aside from being by far the greatest pyramids at Giza, are the only pyramids there free of Egyptian hieroglyphics. The only hieroglyphics found are obvious forgeries made by a frustrated man from merry old England, as is also documented in the posting of sections from Sitchin's second Earth Chronicles book in the book reviews section.
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In lack of such pyramids for rulers such as Khufu, a Great Pyramid is associated with Khufu. But in light of all this other evidence, would it not be likely for Khufu to, instead of building his own smaller pyramid, associate his name with a Great Pyramid by adorning it with his statue?
You may find this linked article of interest, especially this part by Graham Hancock http://www.grahamhancock.com/ (one of the ones who originally followed this forgery theory until he saw with his own eyes proof that there were hieroglyphics (called "Quarry marks" by some) there that could not have been forged;
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id10.html
"While von Däniken sticks to the forgery line, Graham Hancock changed his mind in the light of "new" evidence known to Egyptology since the 19th century. Says Hancock:
"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."
and;
"Hancock sets the record straight about his beliefs about the Pyramid: "For the record I believe that Khufu did build the Great Pyramid - or anyway most of it (perhaps the subterranean chamber and some other rock-hewn parts of the structure may be earlier)."
edit: p.s. the reason he came to this conclusion was because he was shown by an Egyptian official one of these hidden "quarry marks" within these cracks deep within the masonry with the name Khufu written there.
read his statement here: http://www.grahamhancock.com/features/trenches-p4.htm
Some people will believe anything these days [;)]
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"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."
These so-called "cracks" may have been more than they are telling you. Do you know how Vyse went about moving from room to room in the Great Pyramids? He carelessly blasted his way through with dynamite. And he blasted straight through those gargantuan blocks because he had failed to move the ones blocking the original hidden entrance. It may be true that you can't crawl between the blocks and inscribe upon them once they are set in place, but what about when you blow the hell out of a neighboring block? Remember, Vyse was the first one to get his hands on any of these newly-discovered regions of the pyramid, and he was quite frustrated at not being able to find definitive prove of the creator.
The so-called "graffiti" would be Vyse's inscription from the sound of it ("graffiti" as opposed to more professional markings from high Egyptian scribes of the time, as the minor pyramids had, and even those scribes wrote flawlessly). He used a red paint of sorts, and I don't think that sort of paint was found anywhere else in any of the Great Pyramids, or at least where Vyse never went! If there had been, I'm sure they would inform you of it in that nifty little article as one more piece of evidence against Sitchin and others. But they didn't say anything about the distinct red paint being anywhere Vyse never went, and I've never read of any such things, or of any other hieroglyphics at all, being in those three main pyramids (in fact, in an Astral Chat post, someone posted a picture of symbols that were found in a Great Pyramid that appear to have been precisely etched into a higher part of a wall, and are clearly not Egyptian in nature). As for the 'errors' turning out not to be errors at all - how convenient for them! Turns out, Vyse wasn't wrong in his inscription of a basic phrase, but we had gotten the ancient language mixed up! The Egyptian language is still largely an enigma, as are other ancient languages such as Ancient Hebrew, Sumerian, etc. To say that we have the language down now, and didn't have it down before, would only be partially true in the sense that we know maybe a little more about it now than we did then.
That is not to mention that you were apparently unable to come up with anything to dismiss any other points, such as the fact that the three Great Pyramids were somehow collaborated to match the stars of Orion's Belt in exactly 10,500 BC. You say, rather arrogantly in my opinion, that 'some people will believe anything', implying that I am gullible, or maybe that I have no reason to believe what I do, which has kind of provoked me to post again in the manner in which I do so now. I'll also take this opportunity to tell you that I personally don't exactly enjoy most of your posts, whether they pertain to me or anything I happen to care for or not. You seem to like to play the part of the antagonist to me, and apparently rub it others' faces when you proudly think you have outwitted someone.
But either way, if you are so absolute in your beliefs that none of this 'Egyptians never built the Pyramids' crap is true, then why do you simply focus on minor, trivial things such as markings within the Pyramid? The simple fact that the subject is so controversial should be a sign that things aren't as absolute and definite as they seem. On top of that, once again, we have all the astronomical properties of the Great Pyramids that were previously unknown and have yet to be accounted for. Unless you can account for the vast majority or all of the things I listed in my previous post, you are being quite half-as.. -butted in assuming that I have no reason to back up what I claimed earlier. I am not completely set in my ways, and if great evidence was discovered that explained all of these relations between the Great Pyramids, 10,500, Orion's Belt, etc., etc., I would yield to the theory that to me made the most sense. You have yet to yield anything of any significance but rather the opposing argument to a trivial matter of who wrote what inside the Great Pyramids, and even then the argument doesn't exactly look obvious from either side without a sort of bias. It may well be impossible at this point in time to tell who made those scratchy markings in red paint on walls within a Great Pyramid without further investigation (or else a correlation of other, indirectly related but equally-important known facts...), on
only the walls that had not been destroyed in the blasts of TNT, but with all that aside, you still have a bit to discredit before your statement..
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Some people will believe anything these days [;)]
..is justified. I honestly don't even know what you're debating.
Edit: Had to add some smileys. [;)][;)][;)][;)][}:)]
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("graffiti" as opposed to more professional markings from high Egyptian scribes of the time, as the minor pyramids had, and even those scribes wrote flawlessly).
They are Quarry marks made by the stonemasons that were building the Pyramids.
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I'll also take this opportunity to tell you that I personally don't exactly enjoy most of your posts, whether they pertain to me or anything I happen to care for or not. You seem to like to play the part of the antagonist to me, and apparently rub it others' faces when you proudly think you have outwitted someone.
Dear no_leaf,
1. Firstly I apologize for my remark that you are allowing yourself to upset you. I dont think i have "outwitted" anyone, this is not a competition. I am just offering more down to Earth explanations for some of the more outragious claims made in the "New Age" area. And my statement, whether you like it or not, is quite true. Although i agree that the "tone" of my posting style has much to be desired.
2. If you read the articles at the links i gave you will see that the evidence is so overwhelmingly factual against this "forged quarry markings" that i dont feel any more evidence i provide should be needed (and note that it is only Sitchin who came up with this conspiricy theory with no evidence to back up his claims). The hieroglyphics are there, and can be seen within the cracks between the huge blocks that would be impossible to forge. This is
fact not some wishy washy theory.
3. The reason i didnt comment on the other points is because i have no firm opinion either way as to the dating of 10,500 B.C. But since you asked, here is some you can read (as well as the links i already gave that do mention this that you must have missed or not read...);
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id3.html
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Anyway, Hancock and Bauval turned the cosmic clock backwards to align the pyramids with Orion c. 10,500 B.C., which they claim was the date of the lost civilization's entry into Egypt. That time falls within the astrological "Age of Leo," and lo and behold: we have a giant lion, the Sphinx, dating from that same time! What's more, on the equinox of 10,500 B.C., the Sphinx would have stared eastward at its own celestial image while the pyramids reflected the setting of Orion and the Nile mirrored the Milky Way. A very neat and seductive hypothesis.
But, like any new theory, there are many problems. First, there is no evidence that the ancient Egyptians had any constellation called Leo. In fact, the only constellations we know they shared with the modern zodiac were Orion and Draco. Other correlations are unproven. Even if it were true, there is no clear evidence that the Sphinx represented Leo or a lion at all. Robert Temple, for instance, thought the Sphinx resembled a dog more than a lion, since the dog-god Anubis guarded most sacred spaces.
Also, there is no hard evidence that the Egyptians knew about the Precession of the Equinoxes, let alone had the ability to calculate it to fix pyramid positions.
Or here: http://www.luckymojo.com/hancocklecture.html
I am not interested in getting into a big discussion or argument about this really because i feel what i have provided at least shows that some of the theories about the Pyramids out there are, well, not very well thought out ones. If you wish to cling to whatever beliefs you have about them and ignore the evidence then that is fine by me.
I wish you well on your path.
McArthur
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They are Quarry marks made by the stonemasons that were building the Pyramids.
There is no evidence that the stonemasons themselves made the inscriptions. In this ancient culture it would still be unlikely for any hieroglyphics to be hastily and sloppily etched onto block. The task of inscribing hieroglyphics was taken seriously, and your average Egyptian Joe wasn't literate. To this day, Egypt has problems with their literacy rate, which is only around 55%.
I appreciate your respect for my beliefs and I will also respect yours and will not post further unless you'd rather have me do so. I will say, though, that some of the quotes from that web page seem to better support the idea that the Pyramids are not of Egyptian origin unless you like the idea of their mathematical and astronomical significance being strictly coincidental.
Good luck on yours as well and may all be well in the end, for all of us. [:)]
Hello people, not been here for awhile.. moving house... and can I just say that this site is nowhere near 56K modem friendly... heh, anyways...
Arn't we all supposed to be dead now, what with Poleshifts and all? I hope we've all come to accept that it was all a load of poop... well, I have anyway...
Blimey, we'll beleive anything we're told wont we... anyays, hope y'all keeping well..
Rob
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Arn't we all supposed to be dead now, what with Poleshifts and all?
Only if you were one of the people who thought it was coming in May, 2003 or some other recent date. [:)]
Without reading the gargantuan amount of Zeta talk, can I ask a question?
Who are the Zetas?? I am confused because I assumed they were this:
-Lizzies
-Annunaki
-Elohim
-Matrix-Control-System Controllers
-Nephalim 'owners'
-Those who battled against prime-creators of this planet approximately 300,000 years ago to OWN earth.
-Yahweh/Jehovah
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Are the Zetas, the above?
The reason I assume this is because they come from planet 'Zeta' Reticuli in the Orion sector.
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So please, someone fill me in because then I can decide if I should spend my afternoon reading about them IF they are NOT who I think they are.
Well, in these topics, this is the deal with the Zeta:
They aren't lizards. I guess they would qualify as 'Annunaki' in that the Sumerian term means 'Those who from Heaven to Earth came' as translated in Sitchin's work. Elohim, if I remember correctly, is another term for the Jewish God. Wouldn't know anything about 'matrix controllers'. I wouldn't say they 'owned' the nefilim, either. The nefilim was more or less a Hebrew version of the Sumerian 'Annunaki', who were largely not Zeta but from a planet or other large celestial object that is now a part of our solar system as is explained and argued in Sitchin's work. They don't own us, either. They don't bother us for the most part but are trying to guide us in a more aware direction. Going by opinions here, Yahweh was an Annunaki from the celestial body now in our system. Yahweh was (and still is, I suppose) the Sumerian deity Enki.
Thanks for the background.
I think you're right about Annunaki, I seemed to have mixed that up. It probably means Nephalim also.
But I'm getting some odd vibes from this thread. You say they are not lizards? Well, let me rephrase it. Are they 4th Dimensional? If they are, then they are part-physical because 4th Density is 'variable physicality/ethereal' and I think the Zetas are reptilian in their physical composition.
If someone can verify or cancel this out, it would be appreciated.
If they ARE Reptillian and are connected to anything in regards to 'Elohim', the originators of the world religions of monotheism, then they are the 'lizzies'.
If this is so, then any positive comments or actions they take right now only lead to manipulation and their faith-traps.
But maybe I'm mistaken and they aren't the 'lizzies'.
They're at least of the 4th density. I can't remember where exactly they said their race was, but from other things I can remember being channeled, they're at least 4D.
The Zeta are more a kind of the 'Greys' I think. There's a separate topic hanging around here somewhere where Reptilians were channeled by Fuzziwig for a while.
This can't be true. I read the Thiaoouba Prophecy and they said something totally different about who lived on Atlantis and what happened. I'm not saying the TP is the truth, but it's alot more convincining then this imo anyway. I dont like what they said about PK either.:) Sounds so.....'limited'
The Zeta topic could very well be a largely organized joke, no... deception.
Probably best to not take a word from them, unless you meet one personally...
TP is just another Zeta-like scheme, just from another angle. Some info is disinformation, while other details are very useful.
Overall, I label the Zeta material corrupted just like I consider TP corrupted. It is all used to slippery slope eager-minds from being inspired by fine details, and then lead them to believe a conclusion that is carefully encoded.
I think I agree with you there Blackbox...I wonder if there was a whole team of 'good willed' people set on the writing of TP, since even though it might not be a true story, the message that it contains is not far from the truth: that modern people today are too materially oriented, and neglect the spirtual, and how this mix together with some other factors would lead to mass disasters etc.
I guess when reading such things it's indeed best to not make any assumptions, and just filter the useful and trustworthy messages/information from the less likely/wishful thinking.
For all we know, astral projection, telekinesis,energy & aura's are indeed really real, and that's very great already, what's next ;)
And even if those prophet bringers are real, they'd probably like it better if we find stuff out on our own, rather then believing everything they tell with blind trust.
I was expecting you to disagree with me. [:D]
TP reminds me of the Raelian movement. Along with the Zeta discussions and even the 'Michael' mediation that SD does, I believe they are all categorized into the same group of information.
I think their main purpose is to either (a) gain allegiance from mediocre readers or (b) confuse those who read the contrary which when they make their move in the coming years (physically -- diplomatically) they will have some considerable support.
Even though comic book style 'Good' vs 'Evil' doesn't exist in physicality in our reality, the symbology is very true. The super-heros are the ones that can discern between the 'false prophets' and those who are indeed objective-creators. The super-heros are the ones that know, ultimately, that human-beings do not need any assistance evolving. Information is one thing, but assistance from higher-entities is a form of manipulation on their end, even if it seems otherwise in ours. The reason for this is that, in a very complicated way, by effecting OUR actions, they effect quantum reality. History. Whatever interference they do, effects all of the above densities, so any entity that does such a thing instead of flowing with natural universal principles of self-learning/self-sustaining, has motives and agendas that are hidden from humanity. They are hidden mostly because the majority of 3D humans on this planet lack the capacity to understand this correlation/everything is intermingled concept.
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This can't be true. I read the Thiaoouba Prophecy and they said something totally different about who lived on Atlantis and what happened. I'm not saying the TP is the truth, but it's alot more convincining then this imo anyway. I dont like what they said about PK either.:) Sounds so.....'limited'
For me it falls into a grander scheme of things. I wouldn't have even cared about any of this if I hadn't read some of Sitchin's work. It's very convincing as well, though I haven't read TP and wouldn't be able to compare. Sitchin deals with different interpretations and histories of the ancient people and the Bible, exploring a lot of things that confuse scholars to this day and showing how these ancient people were familiar with extraterrestrials and were referring to them as the 'gods' in their 'mythologies'. His work ties around to today because these beings come and go in cycles every few thousand years, and are supposed to be returning within our lifetime.
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I was expecting you to disagree with me. [:D]
so any entity that does such a thing instead of flowing with natural universal principles of self-learning/self-sustaining, has motives and agendas that are hidden from humanity. They are hidden mostly because the majority of 3D humans on this planet lack the capacity to understand this correlation/everything is intermingled concept.
That would be (hypothetically spoken) 'the Zeta's' coming down and offering help to build up humanity right?
About the TP...I'm not so sure they have hidden agenda's whatever...did you actually read the whole thing btw?
Yes I did.
It really mesmerized me, because I resonated with many of the half-truths flustering around in the material.
However I was able to discern to the realization that it was designed, structured, like any good-story to (1) gain your interest, (2) juice you for more half-truths that break down some of the barriers you naturally have with your belief-structures, and then (3) begin to twist it as lead to support for Nephalim/Annunaki archetypes.
Absolute truth comes from an objective-speaker, not one that plays on your emotions and beliefs as to twist you through their ride. However, overall, it is a great read because they put in a lot of knowledge that I believe is correct. Like for example, the Pyramids were used (1) for weather-control to support their agriculture and (2) vast-distance communication.
I personally do not believe Jesus was ever crucified, from my own intuition and the channeled sources I believe are verified (cassiopaeans and Ra).
Michel, the Protagonist, was probably destined in this life-time to do some real great work, and the Nephalim picked him as to pull a 180-turn his purpose around.
Hey can you give out any specific book titles I can possibly Get my hands on?
Any chance I could get to talk to the "Zetas" on AIM? I got some questions I would like to ask on a 1 on 1 basis, due to their personal nature.
I really dont wanna start saying things in public until I get some confirmations with them.
Some books I know of.. I know there are more.
Zecharia Sitchin's 'The Earth Chronicles' Series, which includes starts with the book The 12th Planet.
Bringers of the Dawn by Barbaria Marciniak.
The Orion Prophecy Patrick Geryl and Gino Ratinckx .. An interesting read but extremely pessimistic. Of course it'll be up to you to decide whether or not you think we're coming up on a new age or simply destroying ourselves as a race.
The Orion Mystery by Robert Bauval (has some interesting information but doesn't really get to much to do with extraterrestrials, just some oddities that show problems with modern theories)
I'm sure there are plenty of others; it's just a matter of people posting them.
Any chance I could get to talk to the "Zetas" on AIM? I got some questions I would like to ask on a 1 on 1 basis, due to their personal nature.
I use AIM, and I had to download MSN just so I could talk to Mayatnik and the bunch. I don't get on it much anymore but last I talked to Edi wasn't too terribly long ago and he said Mayatnik still signs on occasionally, so you may still be able to talk to them if you download MSN and find their email addresses, but I'm pretty sure they don't use AIM.
'After the flood, much of the landscape was eroded. A landing base was needed for the Gods. The twin pyramids at Giza in Egypt were built to replicate the twin peaks of the mountain Ararat.
Measurements were taken from the skies. The Gods also used the Pyramids to do ritual work, for magickal ceremonies and initiation rites.
These measurements paralleled the ley lines and magnetic fields of the Earth. There are 365.24 cubits in the pyramid's base. This corresponds exactly to the solar year. The sum of the base diagonals give an approximation of the number of years in a total precession of the equinoxes. (Just short of 26,000). The pyramid's apex corresponds to the north pole, the perimeter is equivalent to the equator, its four plane surfaces accurately represent the four quadrants of the hemisphere.
The exterior of the great pyramids were covered with limestone. They shone in the Sun. (The limestone has been picked off over the centuries). The pyramids served as landing beacons. Inside crystals were placed. The power of the crystals produced a beam that reflected up to the sky. To this day, the electrical current at the apex of the pyramids is so powerful, it has knocked men unconscious. The pyramids also reverberated from the inside to serve as a landing guide. The Gods called them the "lofty houses of eternity."
The pyramids were built in the Age of Leo, according to what was written by the Gods. This is the reason for the Sphynx. The face on the Sphynx was originally that of the Egyptian God, Thoth. Due to rivalry between brothers Thoth and Marduk/Amon Ra, the face was eventually changed to that of Amon Ra'.
As for nibiru, the inhabitants are not grays. They are like large "humans", 7-14 feet tall, muscular, mostly nordic looking, both male and female. They survive by gold in the atmosphere, which ran out, which is why they came to africa, earth, to mine it, and put it into the atmosphere. They first used nephilim/annunaki (the inhabitants of nibiru) but enki, the first annunaki/nephilim on earth later created homo-sapiens in their image. After the mines were finished enki and the nephilim on earth wanted to keep humans and advanced them until they were as gods. Other annunaki wanted to destroy humanity instead because the project was finished. They did, but the humans survived thanks to enki saving a particular man and his family named zuisudria. The Annunaki who were freinds with humanity showed humans everything, civilisation, the arts, sciences, writing, etc. They were worshipped as gods by humans, this happened in sumeria, the cradle of civilisation. The Egyptian Gods were annunaki...Enki is the egyptian God ptah. None of these gods exist on nibiru anymore. They gave humanity too much knowledge and power, and above all let them survive. Because of the caste system they gave leadership over to the other gods which kicked them out of nibiru, they lost the fight because they were outnumbered and they now live on the most beautiful planet in the universe.
As for the zeta, they are grays. They are liars, they are evil. Yes they do tell us we don't know the truth about "God" meaning that the theosophical and vedic theories are wrong, and this is true. The truth is actually very different, I know what it is. PK does exist and they lie about this, this is because they don't want us to have abilites like PK. As for the mass deaths...I know the truth about this as well, how it will happen, if it is a true prediction, etc...and yes, the gods which wanted humanity's destruction and ultimatley still do who kicked the egyptian, babylonian, sumerian, mesopatomian gods out etc are definatley still being worshipped, revered and praised en masse. But of course you can't take any of what I say about the 'truth' more then opinion and I can't encourage you to do so, otherwise I'd get in trouble.
I have my reasons for distrusting the Zetas. I must stress that their words must be taken with a grain of salt. Most likely they are using you (without your knowledge) to advacnce their own adgendas
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