A World Without Money?? Interesting Social System

[PerspectiveShift]

Hey, I thought you guys would like to take a look at this video.

It's a new social system philosophy that removes the need for money (as people are the real changers anyways, not money), and reduces the need for a political structure. These are 2 things that probably cause the majority of problems in the world in my opinion anyway haha!

Michael Tellinger is an interesting guy. He's deep into the non-mainstream subjects about philosophy, where we came from, and spiritual metaphysics. He came up with a fascinating philosophy that is a hybrid between our monetary system and a non-monetary system that I personally think will grow like wildfire once started.

The video is here: https://youtu.be/CV0jC9fvVK0

Let me know what you guys think.

Here's my story of how I came across this which I think is really interesting. I watched a video a few days ago (one of those doom and gloom videos) about "THEM" controlling the world and everyone by manipulating basically everything we see and do. Basically that we are living in the Matrix. And of course, there was no solution suggested in the video, just a presentation of depressing facts.

After watching that I was subconsciously digesting it and over the night an epiphany popped into my head. It was a very large decently constructed thought chunk. And the more I thought about the thought chunk, the more it unravelled itself. It was a thought of a social system without the need of money!

Man, I thought I had it all figured out, and then I start scouring the internet to see if anyone has come across this, and Michael Tellinger conveniently comes into my awareness with the exact plan I had thought of the night before! Except his is more in-depth as he's been perfecting the idea for over a decade. This was the greatest example for me personally of tapping into a frequency. Really cool!!

[LightBeam]

Here is the problem. He started the video with the word "Consensus". Well, that will never be possible with the current human traits and cultural differences. These who mean to take advantage of this system will do so easily. That's why communism failed, because many people do not have high moral standards to do the right thing when no one is watching and no one holds them accountable. Because of negative human traits we need laws and regulations. Only when every person reaches a level of high morality, then the need of these will fall off.

[omcasey]

I love Michael Tellinger, his ideas, work and what he does. I also agree with what Lightbeam has just said. THIS, said, though, I think those like Michael coming out with their ideas, putting them into small-scale direct practice are evidence of the change in consciousness that is afoot. I, myself am charged with such a task, to grow an "unconditional" platform into sustainability. To help show others *that it can be done, and how. No easy task!, but I will tell you thoroughly enlivening. It will keep me busy, certainly, until I pass from this reality.

[Nameless]

I've had thoughts along this line before. Tellinger is looking at an entire town but it can start much smaller as in neighborhoods and villages. Just a few people can start and quite a few have done so. Look into small communities and off-grid homesteads. They can't produce everything for themselves but through sharing they do well and have little need of money.

Corporations are only demons when we allow them to take over. On a small scale they and money are much easier and make for better trade.

The video sounds very sweet but of course it is a simplified version of how this could work. Very few people can produce everything they need and a whole town would have the same problem. They key is producing and using what you have to work with. Say you have rock on your property and I have clay. We can help each other

I could go on and on about this but am in agreement with the concept. The biggest hurdle I see by far is convincing people they simply do not need nearly as much as they think they do.

[PerspectiveShift]

Yeah I think it would be worth a shot.

The setup he has for it is great because we can maintain the Capitalism structures we already have in place while implementing this philosophy to see if it works. It's a great hybrid model. It's not like one way or the other as most systems are setup as like Communism vs Capitalism, or the off-grid hippie societies we see. If people don't want to join they don't have to, but I'm sure there would be investors interested in the idea.

I also think it's fascinating taking money out of the equation eventually as I believe money and the current political structure causes so much suffering. Wars, crime, technological suppression, poverty, homelessness, hunger, environmental issues, inflation/tax abuse, and a million of other causes can usually be traced back to money and the survival of the fittest mentality (rather than the cooperation model that is starting to become more proven).

It's definitely interesting and definitely took a leap for me to wrap my brain around being a Pro-Capitalist type of person. But I think it's a step in the right direction for sure.

[PerspectiveShift]

Here's a good video where Michael goes deeper into the philosophy. He goes into what money is and how it got introduced into society, the flaws in our current systems, and a more detailed outline of the system he has developed since 2005. Very interesting.

https://www.onesmalltown.org/videos-documents?pgid=l0bgyf5j-b036aed3-ca3c-4430-8c4a-2bf82c84d8a0

[Jo'ogn]

To mind comes also the decades old "Venus Project".

Or "Die Fünf Stundenwoche", German: the five hour (working) week" (1989) concept.
http://www.5-stunden-woche.de

[Xanth]

To mind comes also the decades old "Venus Project".

Or "Die Fünf Stundenwoche", German: the five hour (working) week" (1989) concept.
http://www.5-stunden-woche.de

Welcome back Jo'ogn  

I'm a big supporter of people "working" less and enjoying life more.  We have the technology today whereby most people shouldn't have to work anymore and everyone should be living a much better quality of life than we are today.

[Jo'ogn]

I'm a big supporter of people "working" less and enjoying life more.  We have the technology today whereby most people shouldn't have to work anymore and everyone should be living a much better quality of life than we are today.

At least need to work less. Pretty much anywhere on this planet. It's just absurd, how generations of people hang onto these systems of leaders and governance, ruled or rather controlled by the means of this money exchange. It was in a TED talk where a woman spoke about the "Venus Project" and summed it up nicely:

"We think, we are so smart and civilised, yet, we actually pay to live on a planet, that gives us everything for free... and we are in debt."

[Xanth]

"We think, we are so smart and civilised, yet, we actually pay to live on a planet, that gives us everything for free... and we are in debt."

If you really think about it, *everything* "pays" to live on this planet in one way or another.  Sure, animals don't use money... but they have other issues to deal with just to survive.

We humans are the same, but we have the opportunity to be fair with one another - and we choose, as a society, to NOT be fair with each other. 

Hoarding wealth needs to be looked at in the same way as any other hoarding which hurts the individual and society as a whole.  Hoarding wealth is a disease.

[LightBeam]

The current situation demonstrates that humans need to evolve further to eliminate greed, selfishness, violence, etc from their personality traits and increase love, compassion, equality, unity.

[EscapeVelocity]

My 2 cents (oh, there's that money thing, lol)

"The current situation", as LB describes it is correct- It is the Earth Learning System. And it is fraught with all the negative human conditions which she describes- greed, selfishness, violence, etc. All these are sub-conditions of FEAR, which when played out in the theater of Earth, provide us challenges and opportunities to overcome with a positive evolution of Love, Compassion, Understanding, etc.

It can be a very subtle, gentle form of learning; all too often, it is a particularly harsh form of learning.

Corruption at all levels within these aspects is what makes life difficult and unfortunately, corruption is what humanity needs to learn to overcome.

Governments-

For the larger countries, governments have become much too powerful, with bureaucratic elites imposing ever stricter conditions and taxes on the people. Again corruption. Larger countries, or groups of medium size countries can have a balancing and moderating effect on larger scale economies. But once corruption overtakes, the balance is lost and chaos ensues, usually through currency, trade then war.

Money-

It is in its simplest form just a common, efficient form of exchange between one form of service with another. One person grows an abundant crop of potatoes; this is of value to the hungry person, but not to someone who requires an electrician. If I don't have plumbing problems, then a plumber, despite his skill, is of no immediate value to me; same with a brain surgeon. So, it becomes a question of more immediate values of services. An economy that evolves based around relatively fair valuation of services, converting these values to an agreed upon currency is what makes a broader social economy practicable and workable. Money is not the problem, IMO, it is the exploitation and corruption of money. Basing the value of a country's money on an accepted common value such as silver or gold was an agreeable and reasonable exchange condition for two thousand years and more. The creation of "fiat" money or paper money destroyed that necessary connection and allowed independent economies to overinflate their national wealth. This made certain elites hyper wealthy at the expense of the economy of the broader population...again, not a fault of the "idea" of money, but the corruption of the application of the idea.

Like him or not, Churchill was right about some things...to possibly paraphrase slightly-

Capitalism is the worst of all possible systems- Until you consider all the others.

The Western Democracies are gradually falling to Socialist ideas. Soon, the worry will not be about money, it will be just about freedom and then, starvation; but by then, it will be too late.

Again, just my 2 cents, for what it is now worth,

EV

[Adrian]

The current situation demonstrates that humans need to evolve further to eliminate greed, selfishness, violence, etc from their personality traits and increase love, compassion, equality, unity.

This is it exactly. Humanity needs to continue to move, Spiritually, from "service to self" to "service to others" -away from the influence of the ego, towards Oneness with Unconditional Love. This evolutionary process is ongoing.

[LightBeam]

All valid points, EV! It's a tricky thing to exist in such reality where your physical vehicle is exposed to various potential harms. The survival instinct which we have integrated out of necessity kick started all these conflicts. But it's a part of the game we have designed and we have agreed to play, so I am not invalidating the current aspects of Earth's life and human development. Just observing and finding it fascinating how souls have decided to go about learning.

[Xanth]

All valid points, EV! It's a tricky thing to exist in such reality where your physical vehicle is exposed to various potential harms. The survival instinct which we have integrated out of necessity kick started all these conflicts. But it's a part of the game we have designed and we have agreed to play, so I am not invalidating the current aspects of Earth's life and human development. Just observing and finding it fascinating how souls have decided to go about learning.

Honestly speaking?  I don't think I'd have agreed to a game as rigged as this one... LoL

[LightBeam]

Honestly speaking?  I don't think I'd have agreed to a game as rigged as this one... LoL

haha, that is the ENTIRE point. To think that way with all the filters we have imposed and gain such strength to think otherwise as we grow. Only the bravest of souls choose that. Be proud of yourself, all of you 

[Jo'ogn]

Well, according to "spiritual channels"  - such as Elias, Bashar or Seth - this "physical realm" is designed as a place to (foremost) experience. Even though one of its "building blocks" is "Duality" (i.e. good/bad, male/female, worthless/expensive, right/wrong), it's rather a choice in each single moment of our life, than a necessity of "becoming better" or even learning the "the right way"(tm) - of which there shall be none anyway.

Yet, each individual has their preferences and free will! If there is a challenge to master is guess it's paying attention to our own choices and belief systems ("filters"). Which evades me time and again, since I'm one of those "truth-seekers" (a distracting task, if there's no absolute truth to begin with)

And yes, I'd be so up to designing "simplified" Video-Game-like realities, as compared to this µ-managing-health-of-a-some billion-cells-Body (choosing from dozens of "life-style religions" Gluten, fat-free, low-carb, lactose-free or what-have-you) and playing my role in a born-into-a-complex "playing-isn't-paying-so-work-is-what-I'm-saying" society of similarily "distracted" billions of individuals - is kind of a brave challenge...


So, a world without money would mean to "replace" a lot of ingrained mass-belief-systems, auto-pilot-habits, transcending all those fears around getting rid of a money system, that is no longer an efficent means of exchange.

[Suziefish]

interesting point 'video-game-like realities'
cut outs of what might be in a 'pick-your-own' playlist

gotta laugh

true=nothing is new

also true = truth is choice

put those together... the list would be endless : )