Buhlman - Best Radio Interview(s)

[Pauli2]

Buhlman has given many interviews. Many about the same basic topics, but...

This is probably the best Radio Interview(s) I've heard of Buhlman. He gives
some deeper info, not given in his books or in other interviews I've listened to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRVeg5LgyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfWItx-64h4&feature=related

Interesting, he hypnotizes his course participants for three hours, before he
let them do OBEs. He is a certified hypnotherapist.


See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v0SNa68gKw

[Rudolph]

Thanks for the link/recommend.

For me, it doesn't start getting good till the end of Part III. I agree with his view of Lucid Dreams as not really qualifying as an OBE.

He really gets down to business at the very end. I think most OBE practitioners that frequent these boards have no idea what he is talking about.

[Summerlander]

What I don't understand is how he can allude so confidently to the notion that OOBEs are indicative of the survival of consciousness after physical death. Based on this, I can't take his interpretations at face value, especially when he talks about them as though it's a known fact.

[Rudolph]

What I don't understand is how he can allude so confidently to the notion that OOBEs are indicative of the survival of consciousness after physical death. Based on this, I can't take his interpretations at face value, especially when he talks about them as though it's a known fact.

It is not just OBEs that lead one to that conclusion. OBE + Past Life revelations as well as experiences well beyond simple RTZ and Astral realm limitations.

But, I am not so sure about some of his claims. Like "OBE experience makes you more 'psychic'"
hmmmm... I have had lots of OBEs in the last couple years and especially the last few months, but I am not so sure whether much has happened to my psi quotient.

[faxman]

Is it possible to find this interview in mp3, with all parts joined ?

[Summerlander]

Past Life revelations

You're right Rudolph. It's just that some people jump to conclusions whilst overlooking other possible explanations. On past lives...sure, this explanation could be true...but let's not forget other perspectives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptomnesia

I think Randi pretty much illustrates what I'm trying to say with his first few sentences here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwKkbd2e-c&feature=related

[Pauli2]

Summerlander, perhaps you could move your discussion to a thread more appropriate for your subject?

[Summerlander]

More appropriate? I think it's very relevant and provides a counter-argument for some of the things that Buhlman claims.

[Pauli2]

But Summerlender...

You write a lot, and very little has value.

[Summerlander]

Well, that depends on what sort of value you are looking for. Besides...I could say the same thing about you for including "send it PUL" on your posts like 90% of the time.

More to the topic, I'll will soon post something here which will put Buhlman and all New Agers to shame. I'm just looking for it at the moment...

[Pauli2]

*sends PUL*

[Summerlander]

Pauli2, I couldn't find what I was looking for but I stumbled upon something else which illustrates what I've been saying all along in that we give meaning to things but the reality is that it's just data liable to be interpreted in many many ways. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYPFvk5H7Fw

Are you going to have an intelligent conversation with me about this or are you just going to remain evasive and assert that I have nothing valuable to say?

What have you got say about the split-brain patients argument in the video, for example?

Oh yeah! Here's one on energy for Buhlman...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6dgozJxj34&feature=related

LOL! I like "The Atheist Experience"! I found something even better and more to the point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KsqeCF7k2Q

[Pauli2]

Pauli2...

... are you just going to remain evasive and assert that I have nothing valuable to say?

Exactly!

I'll keep being evasive until you start a more appropriate thread.

Is that clear enough for you?

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Oh, and by the way.

When you've finished the book of yours, if I can get hold of it in Europe
for less than $20, I'll read it and put my review here on the pulse.

[Summerlander]

Exactly!

I'll keep being evasive until you start a more appropriate thread.

Is that clear enough for you?

What is your definition of a more appropriate thread? A thread which holds only that which agrees with you and no contradictions or counterarguments whatsoever? If that is the case, isn't that a bit limiting?

When you've finished the book of yours, if I can get hold of it in Europe
for less than $20, I'll read it and put my review here on the pulse.

I wouldn't even try to get hold of it if I were you. You won't find what your looking for there and you certainly won't like it's content. It is very much unlike the gospel spouted off by Moen and Buhlman.

[Volgerle]

You're right Rudolph. It's just that some people jump to conclusions whilst overlooking other possible explanations. On past lives...sure, this explanation could be true...but let's not forget other perspectives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptomnesia

I think Randi pretty much illustrates what I'm trying to say with his first few sentences here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwKkbd2e-c&feature=related

You quote a highly superstitious man like Randi here in a forum of OPEN-MINDED SPIRITUAL people . My goodness, you've got guts, summerlander. I'm shocked.

As regards cryptomnesia: Well, you can explain away artificially (applying scientism - not science) anything if you want. The question is: Does it make sense or are you even more superstitious to believe in this crypto-crap despite the evidence of facts presented to you?

For me, cryptomnesia does not explain (away) many of the amazing cases of reincarnational memory and partial validations taking place (be it that of children who have it naturally from the start or be it retrieved by persons under hypnosis or in any other altered states, including AP).

It is just one of the standard excuses to reject it and the standard strategy applied by close-minded 'debunkers', 'scoffers' 'sceptics', who are highly superstitious in their materialistic belief systems. Those debunkers never really read the accounts. They also do not have these experiences. Even if they claim they do/have. They lie.

You could genuinely levitate and dissolve youself in the air before Randi without any tricks traceable, and this guy still would call you a fraud - purely out of ideological motivation.

[Rudolph]

You could genuinely levitate and dissolve youself in the air before Randi without any tricks traceable, and this guy still would call you a fraud - purely out of ideological motivation.

This is probably true. 

[Summerlander]

The question is: Does it make sense or are you even more superstitious to believe in this crypto-crap despite the evidence of facts presented to you?

For me, cryptomnesia does not explain (away) many of the amazing cases of reincarnational memory and partial validations taking place (be it that of children who have it naturally from the start or be it retrieved by persons under hypnosis or in any other altered states, including AP).

LOL! It's not a matter of believing in anything. It's a fact that the mind stores more information than you are aware. There is no proof for reincarnation whatsoever either. It's about stating what is a fact and not assuming that something unproven is fact.

I just wonder why people more readily accept this New Age crap and reject other possible and more mundane explanations. Note that cryptomnesia may not necessarily be the explanation but it could be...and it is certainly more viable than astral fairy tales. I suggest you read into cryptomnesia and the 'subconscious storehouse' and consider another angle for looking at the "reincarnation" business...

There is enough evidence out there to support cryptomnesia. One famous case is that of Helen Keller:
http://mnemosynosis.livejournal.com/25066.html

However, there is no evidence to support Buhlman's "energy body" claims, for example. This energy body business could still be an illusory brain concoction. I'm not saying I necessarily believe in this, I'm saying we should still consider such as a possible explanation because the truth is...it hasn't been ruled out. This is why I retain an agnostic stance when looking at phenomena like this and refrain from jumping to unfounded conclusions.

Yes, let's discuss theories, but let's remember that they're just theories. Always question the validity of everything and find things out for yourself. On this honourable precept, although I'm open to many possibilities, I will not admit someone to talk about a conjecture as though it is fact. Thus I allow a degree of scepticism.

Capisce?

[Pauli2]

Please, start your own thread on your own subject.

[Summerlander]

My own subject? This is your subject and as far as I'm concerned, what I've posted is relevant. It's not even an opinion of mine, I'm stating facts. Do you want me to link the dots for you so you can see how it relates? Or do you prefer to believe that people can genuinely levitate and dissolve in the air as Volgerle said?

[Rudolph]

You're right Rudolph. It's just that some people jump to conclusions whilst overlooking other possible explanations. On past lives...sure, this explanation could be true...but let's not forget other perspectives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptomnesia
I think Randi pretty much illustrates what I'm trying to say with his first few sentences here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwKkbd2e-c&feature=related

Cryptomnesia and Randi's presumptuous obstinacy are completely irrelevant to the point I was making about past lives.

Also I think Buhlman has the right to draw conclusions based on his own experience and speak of them freely without having to hem and haw and prevaricate and qualify his comments to suit every type of skeptic out there.

[Summerlander]

Rudolph, I respect your opinions and Buhlman can draw his own conclusions but...so can I and anyone for that matter!!

But, after having OOBEs myself, I am not going to just sit here and say nothing when he is spreading unfounded ideas about the nature of the phenomenon. Presumptuous is he in claiming to know something!

Randi has exposed many frauds and some admitted to it. Therefore, his "obstinacy" is justified. Randi said something about him having an OOBE in the link I posted...I am the one who mentioned cryptomnesia and it is actually very feasible as a possible explanation for so called reincarnation cases.

[Rudolph]

it is actually very feasible as a possible explanation for so called reincarnation cases.

Not for the ones I have experienced.

Buhlman can draw his own conclusions but...so can I and anyone for that matter!!

Great. So now you can write a book and do radio shows.
Just curious... will you qualify every belief oriented comment with a preamble to clarify the difference between reasonable conjecture based on personal experience and "proof"? There are a LOT of people who do not know the difference. (But I think that would get tedious after a while).

[Summerlander]

Do tell me about the reincarnation cases you have experienced. I'm interested.

By the way, I am currently writing a book about OOBEs. It is simply a documented journey detailing my experiences and the thoughts that have gone along with it. I don't claim to know anything that hasn't been proved. I provide possibilities but nothing more. If when the time comes and an agent advises me to spice it up because it's not interesting enough then I'll tell him where to shove it and I'll simply not publish the book. I want my book to be a true account on this phenomenon which includes resultant theories as a bonus. My art will also illustrate the experiences. It will be beautiful, but honest and pragmatic.

[Xanth]

But, after having OOBEs myself, I am not going to just sit here and say nothing when he is spreading unfounded ideas about the nature of the phenomenon. Presumptuous is he in claiming to know something!

While I do, whole fully, agree with that sentiment... but, aren't we also "spreading unfounded ideas about the nature of the phenomenon"? 

Our thoughts and ideas which we come to through experience is really the same as Buhlmans.
We've just come to different conclusions about these things.  That doesn't make us right and him wrong. 

I prefer to just state "my opinion" on how "I" see things... then let others state theirs. 

[Rudolph]

Do tell me about the reincarnation cases you have experienced. I'm interested.

When I was 4 or 5 years old I had two recurring dreams that repeated exactly, like watching a movie. They involved historical detail that no child could know. They were staged about 1000 and 5000 years ago. This was back when we would have maybe just recently acquired a TV and outside of a few LoonyToons only "I Love Lucy" and "Perry Mason" would have been all I could have been exposed to outside of my small reality.

Based on my experiences I agree with much of what Buhlman believes. I couldn't finish reading his books because they were packed with theory and opinion and I was looking for a Textbook more like the M. Raduga obe4u.com work. But overall his work is sound, imho.  

One must learn to project beyond the astral (into mental/causal) and then beyond duality (atmic/buddhic) to understand his viewpoint. I will PM you with a little more personal detail on this.