Cloned Animals - From Where Does Their Consciousness Incarnate?

[Kraven Obscuria]

I just read the following article stating: "The government declared Thursday that food from cloned animals is safe to eat." (Luckily, I am strictly Vegetarian)

This poses the question that if just like humankind, animals are on their own path of consciousness evolution, where does the soul and spirit of a cloned animal come from?

Do you think there is an "over abundance" of animals in the Astral, choosing to incarnate into this type of situation?

article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/12/28/cloned.food.ap/index.html

[Stillwater]

Forgive me, but I don't think I follow- cloning differs from the normal way animals come into the world insofar as it allows humans to determine when and in what form they arrive, but this also occurs to a lesser degree when people selectively breed animals like dogs or cats. It would seem to me that it is the same question as "where do animals souls come from in the first place?", to which I would answer, "probably the same place as those of people".

Perhaps there is a layer to the question or a logical path I do not grasp, sorry.

[Kraven Obscuria]

I agree with what you are saying in how animal souls come from the same place as people.

As you said, cloning is the opposite of the natural way of coming into existence here.  It just seems to confuse me as it seems against the natural order.  Then again if in the Astral everything that has/is/and will happen exists, I am sure this type of incarnation is already accounted for.  It just seems very unnatural whereas perhaps too many animals or cross breeds of, will share the personality attributes of its parent.

Then again, perhaps I am not phrasing my question properly.

[Astir]

I have never seen an animal on the astral...
Now that I think about it, I have only seen very occasionally people take the forms of animals. Never actual animals...unless it is that I cannot see them. Interesting. Perhaps I see them as human.

Oh, and I don't believe the process of coming into existence really matters...it will possess the same something that we all possess. Though their bodies do age twice as fast.

[Nay]

I see/have seen several of my past pets.  I've also seen one cat, several times that has only a tail and eyes.  I always found it funnier than scary. 

[The Present Moment]

Why would it be any different from incarnating into an animal conceived the usual way? Cloning an animal is no different than planting a clipping from a plant; it's a clone, but it's not violating the laws of nature.

[outofbodydude]

This reminds me of the theory some people have that if you clone a human being, they will have no soul.  As if your soul comes from the act of sex.  Thats the most rediculous thing Ive ever heard.  I am not sure exactly how the process goes of consiousness entering a physical form here on earth, but I am sure that if there is a human being born, there will be a soul who enters it, no matter how the physical form is created.  And obviously this goes the same for animals.  Of course, while it may be interesting to be an animal for a short period of time, the human experience is the ultimate experience here on earth, and is the most desired by conscious beings wanting to futher progess spiritually. 

[CFTraveler]

IMO most people get their ideas of what a clone is by what they see on tv in science fiction or comic books.  They don't realize that the only difference between a clone and a twin is that a twin happens in the womb by itself (possibly having something to do with hormones, since twins happen more to women of a certain age) and a clone is done on purpose by a scientist.  So if there is a problem it's purely physical, their souls/spirits would be just as valid as a natural clone (twin.)

[Principle]

This is truely a controversal, and difficult topic to discuss.
However, Referring to the statement "As if your soul comes from the act of sex."

This could be argued... Although, From what we believe the act of sex does not create a soul. (None of us would know this) However, The act of sex creates a Union between two existing souls. (Regardless if it's recreational, or not)

Durning this Union of two Energies, I would imagine the ideal soul is prepared for his journey to the Physical Realm of Existance, If not multiple Energies. (Possibly even, every Sperm holds the link to a certain being located in the Higher Realms of Existance.)

So, How would a soul be selected to incarnate to evolve Spiritually, When conciving this 'baby' animal or person only involves one energy?

(Artifical Insemination still involves both Energies. Although obviously it is not a direction union. As Energy was still used to create the 'Semen' that was provided for the Insemination.)

[outofbodydude]

Experienced astral projectors who claim to have discovered the secrets to Earthly incarnations say that a soul's entry into a body occurs a few months after the child is concieved.  The thought that a human being's energy is needed to create a soul is quite rediculous.  We cannot create souls, only the bodies that our souls reside in during our earthly lives.  First of all, this totally wipes out the idea of reincarnation.  How can you reincarnate when every body is created with a soul attached already?   This does not even allow the cloning principle to hold ground, for no energy is given off through a needle injecting sperm inside an ovary. 

[Principle]

I didn't state that Energy was required to 'Create' a Soul, I am merely saying What if when two Energies establish a Union/Bond (Through Sex), There is a specific link to a certain Being that is meant to be born into that Family, or Situation.

Energy is given off even durning Artifical Insemination, for It took the Energy to create that 'Sperm' that was either donated, or ejaculated for money. (Masturbation = Energy)

If Souls are just randomly placed into Different Families,
then that situation wouldn't be Ideal for their Learning Process and Spiritual Progression.

I understand your point, and It does make sense.
However, I am just trying to maybe give a different approach or view on the subject.

[Stookie]

Theosophy teaches that the astral body is the soul, and species of animals share a "group" astral body or "group soul", yet maintain individual physical and etheric bodies. So in this case the soul of the animal would remain the same whether a clone or not. The differences between clones would be based on the experiences the animals goes through in the physical world.

(That's a theosophical view, not necessarily mine.)