Fakekinesis?

[Kazbadan]

TK real? Maybe not...

The famous psi wheel test can be reproduced in ab without using tk powers:


http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Psi%20wheel%20video.html

[beavis]

He didnt put a clear container around the psi wheel. His test was designed for the ease of cheaters.

[Kazbadan]

But do you thinkl that its real (tk)?

Have you ever tried it with success? or seen someone doing it?

anyway, i think that i will train tk for some while and see the results...

[beavis]

That guy's tk is not real because he says it doesnt exist.

Tk is real. I've done it many times in a box where a fan blowing on the box doesnt move the psi wheel inside. Heat would have been blown away, so it cant be explained by rising air currents. I used the tv to test for electric causes, like static electricity or magnetic, and that does move it, but I moved it far enough from the tv that it doesnt affect it, and I can move it from that distance that the tv cant move it.

A few people, after I watched (psychicly, not with my eyes) their attempts at tk, and told them what they were doing wrong, I also saw them do tk.

[Kazbadan]

Have you ever saw someone moving, lets say, a pencil or a coin?

How long does it take to see some results on your training?

[Telos]

This is great food for thought. Thanks, Kaz!

[Kazbadan]

"great food for thought"

I am sorry Telos, what do you mean by that? Are you refering to the link?

Why do you think thats great food?

[Telos]

"Food for thought" is an English figurative expression. It means that I will ruminate about it and put it in the context of other thoughts and try to apply it to my understanding of the world.

I think it's great "food" because I never considered the subtle dynamics of thermal energy in moving things. You see, thermodynamics has somewhat confusing theoretical underpinnings, especially at the quantum level.

Our understanding of the phenomena people currently ascribe to PK might be related to thermodynamics. Beavis, from what I have read from your posts, I think you are underestimating the simultaneously complex and subtle nature of heat.

After all, the creaking and snapping sounds that people hear during the night are commonly attributed to ghosts, but are actually the result of materials expanding and contracting due to changes in temperature. Paranormal phenomena have already been correctly described by heat before. I mean, even the the mysterious nature of the Happy Drinking Bird is understood through thermodynamics. And that looks like magic to me.

[beavis]

Kaz I havent seen others do it, but I've moved bigger things.

Telos

Beavis, from what I have read from your posts, I think you are underestimating the simultaneously complex and subtle nature of heat.

Why can my psi wheel sit in the box for hours (I looked at it a few random times, same position) without moving but start moving when I think it? How can heat make a couch cushon standing up fall over? At least most of my tk, wasnt caused by heat.

[Kazbadan]

Wow! Thats nice to know beavis! It give me more motivation for trainng TK.

Its important to know that kind of things.

So, how long did you think to reach any visible thing? how many times a day/week do you train?

Do you think that psiballs are important for training? I dont know why but i see them as a boring and stupid training because i wont see anything and i cant even have shure that they are real. I mean, its easy to prove (at least to yourself) tk, because you can see coins, pens, etc, moving, but with a psiball you dont see anything.

Why is that people say thet psiballs are real? Who the hell invented them?

Is here any better substitute traing for them?
Sorry for these lot of question, but i am very curious and wanna learn more.

thanks

[beavis]

So, how long did you think to reach any visible thing? how many times a day/week do you train?

2 years ago when I started, it took about 2 weeks to be sure I had really done tk. I suspected I did before but I didnt trust my eyes to see that small of a movement. Since then I've done hours a day some weeks and none others. In the last year, I only do it a few minutes here and there.

Do you think that psiballs are important for training? I dont know why but i see them as a boring and stupid training because i wont see anything and i cant even have shure that they are real. I mean, its easy to prove (at least to yourself) tk, because you can see coins, pens, etc, moving, but with a psiball you dont see anything.

I dont know much about psi balls, but sometimes I can feel energy at my hands, and try to build it up. I'm sure its there. They arent necessary for tk.

But I've found that its more efficient to (instead of closing my hands to make a psi ball) reach my hands out in opposite directions and touch a wider area of energy.

Why is that people say thet psiballs are real? Who the hell invented them?

Who invented electrons? Why are they real? I dont know why, but I do see "balls" of energy sometimes, usually when I make them.

Is here any better substitute traing for them? Sorry for these lot of question, but i am very curious and wanna learn more.

First you need to know when energy is there and the direction it is moving (including nonphysical directions). Then learn to change it, in some random way at least. Then you can start to learn exactly how it reacts to certain thoughts.

[Kazbadan]

thanks! for shure that its very useful as a starting point.

[beavis]

I forgot one.... the first step should be to have experience that says its probably real. Have a person think of 1 of 3 colors and see if you can guess it more than 1/3 of the time. Observe other events that many think are purely random, and guess at them too. Or watch very closely and be sure you did telekinesis. The rest will be easier.

[Kazbadan]

I found a pc program that you can use to influence results.

The problem is that  i dont understand some results on it. The program its always giving me the most higher (and less probable) results or i just didnt understand how it works.