Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I live in the north, so thankfully I'm don't have to put up with this, but my heart goes out to anyone who has to suffer. :| Hopefully this will all be over soon, it embarrasses me that the rest of the world has to see our country like this.
What's the deal anyway?
What's going on?
A policeman shot someone, and then riots started. According to the media this man shot first and is a known criminal, but I seriously doubt that.
Most of the people who are rioting don't really understand why. I think they're feeling the tension, the problems of this world. They realize something is very wrong. They feel things are unfair and not okay, but they can't understand it, you know? That feeling that something is wrong, but you can't quite understand it. For these people, this leads to frustration and anger, and that leads to violence that we see right now. Luckily the violence is only against buildings and not against people. There's also the group element, groups behave in a different way than individual people.
In the end I fear the media and people will only care about stopping this, and I fear they won't think about why it happened. As always they don't try to deal with the problem at it's root, they will only call names at the people involved and tell stories about how the "heroic policemen" have dealt with the situation. Combined with the fear mongering to condition people into giving up their liberties in the name of freedom, democracy and safety of course.
Not that I say what they're doing is ok. It isn't, don't get me wrong. It's terrible, and these people should stop destroying things and scaring/endangering people.
I live in London. Any scumbags come in my house I will kill them. Plain and simple. I think this country has gone soft on crime and these youths are from a generation who think they are untouchable. It's kill or be killed. I will do everything I can in my power to protect my wife and kids. They should bring back the death penalty. Death by hanging for scum like this.
My two cents.
Quote from: BlueHalcyon on August 08, 2011, 18:39:46
Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I live in the north, so thankfully I'm don't have to put up with this, but my heart goes out to anyone who has to suffer. :| Hopefully this will all be over soon, it embarrasses me that the rest of the world has to see our country like this.
your embarrassed about "your" country in this scenario, what about the rest of the world man they have problems of similar nature as well, you no care about that...
if you take that much pride in THAT country and it upsets you looking at it the way it is now for that scenario, prepare for much worst and humilation regarding some areas, it's not a funny matter nor will it be tolerated by anyone for the sympathy those involved will seek...
ps: i love all countrys equally :-)...
good luck
love all
I'm not embarassed. I just want to see the streets of London clean and well rid of these rats. They are vermin because everything they touch turns to fire. The city has just been ransacked and the people have been buttfucked by the looters on national TV. The government are the ones who should be embarassed because they don't give police any leeway. There are rules for the righteous and yet no bonking rules for the rats. Have a look at the news and you will see how the police retreat while the bastards attack.
Quote from: Orion- on August 08, 2011, 19:39:48
Most of the people who are rioting don't really understand why. I think they're feeling the tension, the problems of this world. They realize something is very wrong. They feel things are unfair and not okay, but they can't understand it, you know? That feeling that something is wrong, but you can't quite understand it. For these people, this leads to frustration and anger, and that leads to violence that we see right now. Luckily the violence is only against buildings and not against people. There's also the group element, groups behave in a different way than individual people.
Something is indeed very wrong with the world. Just tonight I was watching my local news (which is a rare occurrence) which talked about the DOW dropping 600 points today. The story that followed was about how 29,000 Somalian children are dieing each day from famine. Are people blind? Do these starving children even know what the stock market is? People are so ignorant to the suffering on this planet.
We have the resources to feed, clothe and house everyone in this world. We have the resources to create heaven on Earth. But our energy is directed towards War and control. It seems people have fallen into a trance to. We live under the illusion that we are separate from our world and we must do everything and anything to support only ourselves and families. I believe we are all interconnected and we humans need to start looking at ourselves as one organism striving to survive on this planet. We hardly even talk about how our actions are effecting our world ecosystem. An organism at war with itself is bound to destroy itself.
At this time I believe chaos may be a good thing. The old world structures need to be torn down - or at least buckled. People who are too comfortable in the West need to be awoken from their trance to see the world how it really is. People need to realize that there is more to life than money and commodities. What do we really need to survive? Food, shelter and each other?
If only people who live outside of america actually know how bad it is here. I'm patient and all, but i really want to see love prosper everywhere. All this hate and negativity is.. horrid.
~astraladdict
Hay c0sm0
good to see ya have feelings in that manner but dont worry all these probs in the world will be erradicated soon as in the way us (human) can take controll of the systems that controlls our way of thinking, the system is designed (unfortunatly) for it to produce energy from emotions we dont like poverty = trauma and war etc all equal energy, the system of energy from emotions has changed but the system that controlls the emotions of life (scripts) has yet to change so therefore the current emotions=energy are still used for the worlds systems (running-world) as noth'n is wasted, we can and have proven the energy can be re/produced-duplicated in the form of energy required to run the worlds systems that normally come from the emotions we dont like we can do this in a week for all...
but it's the scripts, study those dreams man, but when ya learn about dreams (cause and effect) ya soon learn about or where do they come from what induces the dreams (why(study man), but wait theres more then ya got to ask yaself why does it have to be produced in that manner, remember the emotions=energy (why) now think of thought processes (cause and effect) now think of lucid dreams (their cause and effect was/can have) Lucid dreams are just the schooling/understanding of dreams...
it's diffulcult to explain or more importantly except...if ya know about thought processes (words/phrases/process/energy raising etc) as in say for ummm AP/OBe etc as in a pattern/sequence or what they call a build it has on an individual ya can start to except it, now consider for many...
i dont know if ya project/OBe or not but if ya do you should be able to relate to the build pattern of raising energy for oneself, again now think how would it be done to effect many, thinking talking (vica versa-depends) lucid dreaming dreaming are all different states of consciousness and different effects on an individual/many the latter (dreams) more powerful the less awake consciousness awareness (dreams) the more power it has as a part/whole hence the economies (for now), until we in a ful awake conscious state take controll of the systems with full support already factored into from the public given all the facts no ballshlt all facts no-one will complain, put it through any court system, noth'n but full support...
the system is designed so those dont f*** around (controll freaks of peoples minds on a large scale) with shlt they know noth'n about hence the more powerful in a controled way (scripts) towards the world workings as a whole when in a full non-awareness non-conscious sleep...
keep thinking, self help books even AP/OBe teach ya to do the required exercises tasks in morning/evening when ya tired this is when on average ya have more powerfuler generating skills in a different state on consciousness if ya know about what a LD can have on a scenario ya starting to understand...
if ya get'n it remember the fan thing :wink:...
good luck
love all
I'm having trouble following you entirely.
What do you mean by cause and effect in dreams?
What do you mean by scripts?
why do ya think we dream, ya heard people dreamed of winning X-lotto right and bought a ticket and won yeah...i've had a couple of accidents (motorbike) and split seconds of coming around to full consciousness i remembered dreaming it...
99+% of the time when we remember a dream we erase the process of the dream therefore it doesnt take effect in the physical some do take effect (x-lotto for example) depends on one's abilities at that time (time frame) this can happen a number of ways more than likely it was always to happen (schooling) anyway depending on the out come as in it's effect as a part/whole associating this with a big win as it can have a big effect on the economy as a whole...
thats scripts (thoughts/dreams generateing (scripted processes), most people age pending will be shown soon why all things are as they are and to be, hence New World...
ya know ya were able to programme someone with various processes din ya? (big NO NO, here about it on TV soon :-)) (eg: mental attacks=mostly shut down), just like ya can programme yaself with various beliefs/sayings/phrases (some self help books teach this) ya know thats possiable yeah...
all i can do is get ya line of thinking going, thats all man if ya see it ya see it if ya dont ya dont, ya will though as most will see it for what it is soon...
keep studying man...
good luck
love all
Yeah about time some of the strife that happens in the rest of the world comes to the privileged ones doorsteps.
90% of this world is starving or killing each other, and the ones who can make a difference just don't give a damn.
I care. I love. What the f* do you do.
yes people does starving. but if we give them food and medical supplies unfortunately there will be more ppl unless we start to control population. :evil:
These two things are done in combination. As you bring the affluence of people up, the tendency to have bigger families drops, because their education level rises, and they know that limited food needs to be spread more if more people.
Quote from: astralnaut1 on August 09, 2011, 04:13:44
yes people does starving. but if we give them food and medical supplies unfortunately there will be more ppl unless we start to control population. :evil:
population is controlled man, from above, this is a big factor into this New Worlds workings as many say this and that that have no idea of where this World is heading or how (limited knowledge) talk about explosion of growth (fair) but for those few in the know it can and will be controlled/maintained so as "ALL" people will "AGREE" with in a full awake conscious state of how we are going to maintain this without the problems we see today (disease etc), it's really easy just depends on two factors (dont ask) which way it goes, meaning it will be better or be a shlt shlt load better, depends :-)...
@GP
QuoteI care. I love. What the f* do you do
it's hard when ya get to a level man especially when ya want to make a massive dent in these areas at the height of it, ya soon come to a brick wall stopping this progression, it's f***ed (i know man), but if ya smart ya soon learn why it is for what it is and if ya good enough kick up the right dust in the right areas so to speak you soon learn how the worlds work as a whole, and if ya know that and only if ya know that, again kicking up the right dust ya get to play as in the change of it for the better of all but it's up to the individual to walk through the door, no-one else can do it for ya, as it takes ya to the higher consciousness where the knowledge lays so as ya able to use your new found abilities towards it :-)...
what are you doin towards it...
good luck
love all
Quote from: GodsProxy on August 09, 2011, 04:10:48
I care. I love. What the f* do you do.
I'm calling you out dude...
You sit here and troll on these forums all day long.
NOTHING of what you do constitutes Love. You're a fraud as far as I'm concerned.
You're about as far from "love" as this world needs.
(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/memes-want-to-hear-a-joke-about-london.jpg)
^^^ LMAO
No problem Ryan, lets not get personal. Sorry about the implied swear word, Ok?
Let the thread continue.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 09:07:06
I'm calling you out dude...
You sit here and troll on these forums all day long.
NOTHING of what you do constitutes Love. You're a fraud as far as I'm concerned.
You're about as far from "love" as this world needs.
Riots in Manchester now. I hope the idiots get what they deserve.
Ok summer on yours. I'll do the same. We are too close to this mindlessness.
Quote from: Szaxx on August 09, 2011, 15:07:53
Riots in Manchester now. I hope the idiots get what they deserve.
Ok summer on yours. I'll do the same. We are too close to this mindlessness.
Well, it's easy to be sitting on the outside and call them idiots... but think about WHY they're rioting.
Sure you've got your idiots in there causing some of the trouble... but on the whole, people are just *ABSOLUTELY SICK* of the current economic situation.
They're sick of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer... I can see this riot mentality swooping across England, and then spreading. Because people are fed up with working their knuckles to the bone, and getting further behind doing it.
Everywhere you look, people are making less money... yet the cost of living goes up. Each year, people get further and further behind... nobody gets raises anymore. The current state that the world, I'm actually surprised an uprising didn't happen sooner.
I understand that all too well. Being one of the sufferers for too many years. Do I riot? No, so tell me when this mindless group destroy their area how can they whine about no food, no electricity, no law and order, ...
Mob rule never works. The recent cuts don't either.
If you have the answer then tell your local newspaper, be the saviour.
For the most part, I agree...
But every once in a while an uprising has to happen to keep the government in check.
I think what we're witnessing is that check happening.
The riots are just about looting. London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool. It's nothing about the kid that got shot anymore.
Some kid got arrested in my city (Glasgow) for trying to arrange one up here.
Lol Iran has urged our police to act with restraint and stop the violence against the protestors.
Well, it's about many things...
Honestly, I think it's the manifestation of people's frustrations of their reality.
One person was interviewed said it was about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
It's about many things now.
I'll tell you exactly why it's happening. It's about looting. They are mindless thugs! Animals! Many of them are teenagers!! Why are they doing this? Because they know that by law they cannot be touched! The government had this coming a long time. My mum has walked past a group and they were laughing amongst themselves saying that the police are powerless to stop them and that they can take anything they want. F the rules they said.
They have been breaking into people's homes and pulling people out of their cars. They have been mugging people too! Several have been physically assaulted. The law-abiding citizens don't deserve this. Why is it happening? Because the governement said youths can't be touched and the system is too soft on crime! Why is it happening? Because years ago the police killed someone by accident and they got accused of being brutal. Then the government imposed rules for them in that they should be more lenient. Now people want them to be hard again! The police have their hands tied and all they do is tell people to evacuate and they retreat with no weapons (only shields) while the rioters march forth and attack!
You people have no idea what is happening here in London. We are right here in the middle of it! The law-abiding citizens are fearful and can't even go shopping! Now there is a curfew! It's stupid! They should have introduced discipline with these kids ages ago. Now it's too late. The police need to kill a few and then they will stop laughing (as my mum saw them do) and stop what they are doing completely. They need to be afraid. At the moment they are laughing.
There is no justification for what they are doing. Many of the buildings that were destroyed had survived several generations. They are not crying for help. These are planned attacks for profit and they want anarchy! We have, not just adults committing crimes, but also very young children. Why should the people that have worked so hard for their money have it stolen and their businesses trashed? They are not angry. They are laughing at all the destruction and are ecstatic at the fact that they can take what they want without having to worry about the police. They have the weapons! Who in their right mind will have fun destroying a city, incite fear, show off about the public disorder they create, attack people, and steal? They are mindless thugs who deserve their comeuppance.
Our government needs to bring back the death penalty. At the moment, they should get the army involved and warn the rioters to stop or else...- anyone who is seen misbehaving should be shot on the spot!
Quote from: Szaxx on August 09, 2011, 15:56:47
I understand that all too well. Being one of the sufferers for too many years. Do I riot? No, so tell me when this mindless group destroy their area how can they whine about no food, no electricity, no law and order, ...
Mob rule never works. The recent cuts don't either.
If you have the answer then tell your local newspaper, be the saviour.
Exactly! If it was about what they don't have they wouldn't destroy it. They also hide their faces like cowards. Besides...they have everything they want because they are stealing! It is what they have been doing all their lives but never as a pack and never with the phone tech they have. This is unprecedented.
There is always good and bad on both sides of the fence. Violence is never the solution. Pro-peace rallies ftw.
However, the rioters are upset with the current system - and rightly so.
Its the governments fault and the parents of the those mindless C****s, as Summerlander said the teenagers of today haven't been brought up with enough discipline and they feel like they are powerful and can't be touched, I understand and know things need to change but this is not the way mindless violence against innocent people is it right that people me included are barricaded in our homes petrified what could happen throughout the night praying that no trouble comes this way and harms us, my 3 children are fast asleep and like last night I doubt I shall sleep in order to protect my children and home from despicable, disgusting, moronic, evil thugs!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: c0sm0nautt on August 09, 2011, 17:14:09
However, the rioters are upset with the current system - and rightly so.
I wonder if you would say this if they broke into your house. They are not upset with the system. They are laughing at the system that has handicapped/crippled the law-enforcers. As far as I'm concerned, living in London wasn't so bad to the point where a riot like this should happen. I'm not rich. We scrape by. But we are not looting! Anyone who has brains can make a living here in London. The MINDLESS can't and they are taking it out on the innocent!!! Whoever is not happy about the current system should aim to become a politician and try to make a change - NOT BECOME A RIOTER!!!
What they are doing is destroying civilisation here. It is
UNETHICAL! There is nothing right about rioting. These thugs are taking advantage of something so minor that took place: a gangster was shot dead. That's where it all started and now it isn't even about that. It's about taking advantage!! When a man got killed by police by accident years ago and people were shocked...guess what...there was NO RIOT.
Now there are stealing alcohol and trashing everything. Nothing is left intact.
There are groups of men who have decided to fight against the rioters. They are angry at the fact that they have frightened their families! They are heros and have the right to be angry. They are ANGRY and RIGHTLY SO, c0sm0nautt!!
A fearful friend sent a message from their house. On the park there's lots of empty shoe boxes and old trainers being picked up by the police.
The mindless have not heard of DNA yet, but soon will.
Why rob charity shops? Its total nonsense, inexcusable and illogical.
An uprising, hey its mostly kids who have no understanding of the 'real world', unless its all organised somehow. They know they cant be touched by the law, unfortunately for the rest of society.
Well said Szaxx 8-)
Suffice to say, I can definitely understand your anger, Summerlander. 100% justified.
I can also see the other side of the coin too though... and you even pointed out just how broken our system is.
These riots, while definitely NOT condonable... are pointing out the problems rather well. It unfortunate, but on the flip side of things... people keep giving the same type of people power election after election. One could say that the people asked for this.
As I pointed out though, not all of the people rioting are "hoodlums" and "thieves". Some of the actually are upset at the system. It's just too easy to brush them all with a single stroke though. It's quite likely that the only ones being reported upon right now are the kids, but there's probably a lot more out there than that.
In any case, I wish you and everyone else in the area a speedy and safe return to normal life. :/
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 18:16:54
not all of the people rioting are "hoodlums" and "thieves
Are you sure about that because so far I have seen no banners being waved about saying the system is excrement! They are criminals who need to be brought to justice. Period. As I've said before, it is not even about the people who are elected. If you have a brain go to university and study to become a politician so you can make a change in a decent and fair way. What these rioters have done can never be justified and, besides, what is wrong with this country does not have to be pointed out in this way (if it was even the motive behind the attacks but I can assure you it's not). The people can see that the country has been struggling - they don't need criminals destroying their country. All the criminals are doing is proving themselves to be just that! CRIMINALS! We are currently flushing them out. Praise the heros and bonk all of you who try to justify their actions.
You can't fight violence with violence Summerlander. There is a root to the problem if you can get out of the "you vs. them" dichotomy.
Reports of parents looting Argos WITH their children. Now that's f ed.
But it's good to see volunteers starting to help clean up the place. They have one hell of a job. Hats of to them.
anyone know what they are saying is wrong with the system (exactly or their abouts), consciousness is diverse around the world some countrys (as a whole) switched on more than others at a higher (in AREAS) of consciousness, thats why it happen(s) (up riseing) over in the eastern countrys some time ago and of late, as a whole ya can tell their level of consciousness (areas)(complicated), people arent stupid even so-called thugs even have a consciousness that in "ways" is connected (mostly unconsciously) to all just like yours and mine...
good luck
love all
So once again, I raise the point, that yes the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Its happening all over the world, see? Now we get all upset when we see signs and symptoms on our front door step. I'm saying, if we help the developing countries more, there will be less trouble in our own neighborhood, see?
So I'm preaching unconditional love, whats so wrong and threatening about that? Why, in my own thread, do people refuse to discuss responsibly and in such detail, the problems in the world? Why, here, does someone raise the valid point of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, but lambasts me for merely posting and helping and greeting people?
Why does everyone here seem to be so advanced spiritually, but they can't see that the spiritual cries of suffering of those starving in Africa - and I refer once again to the precious, precious children who are going hungry, millions and millions of them - why can't they see that as ether says, the spiritual negative energy of all this bad stuff going on, is coming back to haunt them?
How does the above post constitute "trolling" and prove that I am a fraud? Does anyone think the above post is a fraud?
I constitute a voice on the internet for those who do not have a voice, and believe you me, the people who are starving and suffering almost never get a chance to post in a forum like this.
Love is all there is - you know, I have a low self esteem, and I hate being picked apart by people, but I continue anyway? It makes me cry to think of how helpless people are - and how neglected. I seem to be one of the few, who has taken up this stance, so I know I need to continue, see? No-one else is standing up for the helpless people, the way Jesus did, when he said, Love each other, and by that, he means unconditionally, ok? He didn't say, feed them only if they're worthy, hey?
Does it take until someone you love is hurt, before you will stand up for the poor getting poorer?
Love and all that candy cakes. Love is all that matters. I'll stand up for love, again, and again. No matter how often bullies make me feel less than, no matter how much I'm told to shut up when I bring up the subject of the starving children, and how pathetically torturous it is to starve to death.
Yes I hate being called a "troll" and a "fraud" just for preaching love. I hate it, and I start hating myself. Now just imagine how those children feel, when they can't even get one breadcrumb to eat?
You continue bullying me. I continue answering people with valid answers, detailed answers, and offering logical backup and offering to explain further my posts.
Love is all there is, and love is all that matters. I will preach love until my dying day. And I hope someone has heard me. Because we are showing each other precious little love on this planet.
And that is why there are riots in London.
Because equating spiritual growth with MONEY/POWER/TECHNOLOGY/FOOD/A FULL STOMACH is useless. It's wrong. You don't need money or power to grow spiritually. I can guarantee you that the people you're referring to in "Africa" know and understand Love better than you ever will. You're such a superficial individual Godsproxy I'd NEVER expect you to understand this.
Look beyond the suffering in "Africa"... I bet you anything that more of those families have a much better idea what it means to be Love towards one another than most North American families. Sure, a good portion of them go to bed hungry at night, that doesn't preclude them from spirituality/spiritual growth.
As for you, you're ONLY a voice... a voice that does NOTHING BUT POST ON A FORUM. Do you not understand that? What do you do OFF the forum?
You talk an awful lot about Love... love this, love that... but you don't even have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. You keep using these "poor people" as defense for yourself... what are YOU doing to help them beyond posting here?
You're a troll here because you just don't get it... and the extremely sad part is: YOU NEVER WILL.
Good point Ryan.
YOU DO NOTHING BUT POST IN A FORUM.
You're the troll, see? So who cares. You'll never get it, and you never will.
Ryan, I'm not really talking to you, and the others who say "good point" blah blah.
I post intelligently, with content, and with consideration. I'm not in the least concerned with what you have to say to me, because you clearly have some personal gripe against me.
So its water off a ducks back, and I will ignore your personal flames against me from now on, Ok?
Love is all there is. And I sign my posts however I choose to.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 23:21:46
As for you, you're ONLY a voice... a voice that does NOTHING BUT POST ON A FORUM. Do you not understand that? What do you do OFF the forum?
You talk an awful lot about Love... love this, love that... but you don't even have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. You keep using these "poor people" as defense for yourself... what are YOU doing to help them beyond posting here?
You're a troll here because you just don't get it... and the extremely sad part is: YOU NEVER WILL.
Quote from: GodsProxy on August 09, 2011, 22:43:31
Love is all there is - you know, I have a low self esteem, and I hate being picked apart by people, but I continue anyway?
your on a site where peoples intelligence is higher than that (mostly) of a site based on cars/knitting/sewing ya get the idea of it they are studying the mind man mind=elite of all fields, so therefore they seek information/knowledge, not all see it, those that pick ya apart are just seeking more info on how to go about it, testing ya, show them more...
and yes they see the problem with poverty but what can be done about it ya get to a height and ya hit a brick wall until ya learn something (spoken about in one of my earlier posts on this topic), then and only then can ya make the big dent, maybe ya should share with them or come up with something that can be done to start something on a smaller scale, complicated...ya wont hit no walls their man (Spirituality is a Test man, you gotta open a walk through the doors yaself)...
not all see the L word as the solution (it's hard work) that can solve the problems so therefore ya get the knockers (info seekers mostly) people here are trained in this field (info seekers) of extracting info out of ya hence "picking ya apart"...
being "picked apart" is ya best friend man as it shows something...
good luck
love all
I don't allude to doing anything more than post.
The fact that most of your posts leave people thinking "wtf" speaks for itself. Not to mention that most of your posts are one sided discussions with yourself.... it's very telling.