The "club" that the mighty of this world belong to...
The Illuminati Part 1 of 4 The Illuminati 2005 openyoureyes AIM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2277769151134440252
The_Illuminati Part 2 of 4 The Illuminati (2005) openyoureyes AIM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8738003787116348759
The Illuminati Part 3 of 4 The Illuminati 2005 openyoureyes AIM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7084746579997166056
The Illuminati Part 4 of 4 The Illuminati (2005) openyoureyes AIM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1699115394525569176
I think freemasonry is the key of joining this society.
If they take over the world or anything, officially.
You would at least be safe and powerful if you're a freemason.
Hello Sharp,
They are Freemasons, so you will be joining evil. There are a lot of well meaning people in the first 3 levels of the society who do not know what is going up the ladder. Only those capable of machination and evil are advanced to the higher levels. The rulers of this world are at level 33, yet there is somebody above them who sunctions all they do.
The question is, do you want to be a part of the evil society and therefore part of the bad vibrations, or would you prefer to be more concerned about the spiritual nature of your being and take care to be always in the light, alighned with the most positive cosmic vibrations?
Here is an interview with Aaron Russo who was invited by a Rockefeller to join them at a high level. He refused. A human being should have a soul and noble principles and not to be a materialistic puppet.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/240807_b_aaron.htm
This is an Aaron Russo's film
America: Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
Here is more on these societies
William Cooper Exposes The Illuminati & The Secret Government
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574387786893863155
ILLUMINATI
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1490071466950648473
Angels And Demons Revealed
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9085163575219188334
Conspiracies - The Illuminati - Our Secret Masters
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2080135823382973183
I'd choose evil above good concerning world domination.
Hey, it's the world we're talking about, I wouldn't mind having a slice of the sweetness of that :-D
Hello Sharp,
The world of those guys is not sweat. They worship Satan, and they have to jump when they are told to jump, which also might mean committing a murder and other atrocities. If you would not mind to sell your soul to the devil, then go ahead and do it. We all have a free choice. But just keep in mind that you will pay for it dearly in a karmic terms later on.
Well it's a good thing I don't believe in karma then.
So I COULD get all the pleasures of power and listen to the jibberish the masons talk about.
And not pay for it when I die.
There's a high chance god or satan do not exist anyway.
So I get the best out of all.
How about then just simple human consciouseness?
How will you be able to tell yourself before you die that you helped this world to be a better place and that you did not commit any evil?
Are you the type of a person who experiences no satisfaction from doing the right thing? Have you ever felt an uncoditional love for any other human being than yourself? It does not really sounds like you did.
Hello Sharp,
I invite you to watch this video which will show you how they pull people's strings
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031
You will find in it towards the end a quote by JFK - President Kennedy about them, that they have "a collective death wish for the world."
Look, I believe what they believe is logical.
If I were to die without ever feeling power or feeling that I was part of something great, that would make me unsatisfied.
If I would die without having done anything important, then what's the point of living?
And yes you're right, I do not care about others.
I'm selfish and uncaring.
If this fits your model of "evil", I care not.
I deeply, from my heart, do not believe in evil, doesn't that make me good in some way?
And someone who cares more of others than himself, is more naïve and blinded by the illusion of good and evil than anything else, in my humble opinion.
These people (Illuminati(IF THEY EXIST in the first place)) are intelligent.
Some conspiracy theorists annoy me, just as that russo guy.
He couldve easily joined the society.
But his stupid illusion that THE ILLUMINATI THEMSELVES have learned to the people has blinded HIM!
If D. Rockafellar did say the words: "what do you care about them, look after your family".
He's right, why should he care?
Every human being is the same, either you have 6 billion or 1 billion, it's all the same.
They are going to die one day anyways, like everyone will.
Just as us, we will die one day aswell.
It's this world what it's all about.
The fact is, there are way too many people on earth today.
We could easily live with a couple of billion less.
Would you volunteer then to be exterminated to have less people? Why should it be somebody else and not you? Even when you join them they can kill you as a sacrificial lamb, so you would not talk. Just watch the video above.
They are pretty ruthless, and they really care about nobody. They will not care about you either if that would suit them. don't kid yourself.
There is too much evidence from different and respectful sources coming out that in fact they do exist.
I knew you were going to say that first sentence.
Why me?
Because I choose to.
And don't be ridiculous by saying that I would volunteer myself for that.
Like I said, I care about me and only me, not others.
Anything that will be benificial for me, I choose.
Nobody likes a wiseass melody :roll:
And nobody likes to be exterminated just because somebody else wants to do so...
Ofcourse not, but why should I care.
I dont care what others do.
If someone wants world domination let them
If someone wants to be evil let them
if someone wants to be a wiseass let them
The only person you can control is yourself... so its a waste of energy trying to control others.
Although there are certain intellectually intelligent people who control the world with money...
but the control im talking about is your personal actions... not control via manipulation.
Because you also dont have to play into their little scheme... you could go live in the bush and not have to ever use money. But then again they have manipulated you into taking this action and by inference controlled you.
just a few thoughts.
I'll do what i wanna do and everyone else will do what they wanna do. No problem. Doesnt bother me.
Quote from: Sharpe on September 16, 2007, 18:53:44
Ofcourse not, but why should I care.
Because you are a spiritual being. And because at a spiritual plane we are all one.
The media controls more of you than what's actually you in the first place.
Then don't allow media to control you and reclaim who you really are - a magnificent spiritual being!
Ok this is going way out of hand, there is no "you" if there are no sources that you can copy to form your personality filled with imitations from earlier observations of reality.
Everyone born in the western society views media, everywhere.
You can't dodge all that information.
Some of it will get into your subconscious which will change your personality.
Hello Sharpe,
Yes, I agree, media gets into us, and this is how they intend it. But if you consciously suspend your believe in the messages it is projected, if you question what it is they are feeding you, that would be a good start to starting to reclaim yourself and not to be their puppet.
Also, you might want to consider to start studying some spiritual teachings. A good start might be Adrian's Our Ultimate reality, though you might find some other book on the subject as well.
I would also invite you to watch Michael Tsarion videos I will be posting shortly. They explain where our troubled psyche came from and the need to start repossessing it.
There is nothing better than to have one's self belonging only to yourself! :-)
But what if the illuminati is really a cover story for an even deeper organization that no one on the internet knows about? And if they get found out, there is another secret society they were a front for. Or... the people giving you the information about the illuminati IS the illuminati, and it's all info to throw you off of their real plan. What if... Alex Jones... is really.... the illuminati? Or, just misinformed? Or dead on with his facts, but he doesn't have them all? I trust no one. Either side. Think for yourself and make an educated decision.
Well said Stookie,
One has to make a decision for oneself! One has to reclaim oneself and one's personal judgment faculty! And such documentaries, coming from different independent sources, can help in the process.
Quote from: melody on September 17, 2007, 11:19:20
Hello Sharpe,
Yes, I agree, media gets into us, and this is how they intend it. But if you consciously suspend your believe in the messages it is projected, if you question what it is they are feeding you, that would be a good start to starting to reclaim yourself and not to be their puppet.
Also, you might want to consider to start studying some spiritual teachings. A good start might be Adrian's Our Ultimate reality, though you might find some other book on the subject as well.
I would also invite you to watch Michael Tsarion videos I will be posting shortly. They explain where our troubled psyche came from and the need to start repossessing it.
There is nothing better than to have one's self belonging only to yourself! :-)
Nah, I don't believe in that sorta thing...
You have a free will to believe whatever you wish... Hopefully one day that prerogative would not be programmed out of your psyche... :-)
Hello Sharpe,
It is not really important if you believe this or that...
But it is very important to remember and believe that you are a magnificent spiritual being! And never let anybody to take this believe away from YOU!
If you are a spiritual being why being afraid if someone exterminates your body?
Hello Malganis,
It is not a question of fear. It would be if you joined those societies to safe your skin.
Life was given to us by God because we have a purpose in this life, a mission to fulfill. It is up to us to find this purpose we have and fulfill it. And nobody has a right to be tempering with what is God given to us.
I don't believe I'm a magnificent spiritual being either, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to disagree with everything you say.
But, I believe that I'm merely a tool for something greater.
Not unique in any way (except my DNA), the same organic being as any other human.
"Life was given to us by God because we have a purpose in this life, a mission to fulfill. It is up to us to find this purpose we have and fulfill it. And nobody has a right to be tempering with what is God given to us."
I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous.
So what, if we fullfill it, what do WE get?
He made us just so he can use us as slaves?
Look at it objectively instead of so optimisticly.
If he's so allmighty, why doesn't he do it himself... Jesus Christ...
I believe in some kind of architect, but the idea that god made us (humans) specificly for us to find a "purpose" is preposterous.
We have enough facts on how evolution/psychology works, to disprove the classic god model.
I'm sorry if I offended you, but someone has to shake this out of you.
you know i agree with sharpe about the whole "classic god" model is just rubbish.
As for an architect of some kind? you watch the matrix too much. hahah jk.
nah well I think most people's model of god is the classic one so everyone who disagrees with the classic on automatically disowns the notion of there being a god/architect.
I look at the universe holisticly subsequently I see everything to be a part of the whole as well as containing the whole. "god" is NOT a sentient being with a beard. THAT is definately ridiculous...
I could go so far as to say "god" was the first mind and as he thought so we became.
This fits in with an architect type theory... not the classic god thinks hey i've got a week spare how bout making a planet? yeah that sounds cool...
And I qoute (from myself :P)
And on the 5th day god turned to abraham and he said... I think we've over committed.
Your purpose in life is the same as your talent, which is God, or if you prefer the Source, or the Universe given.
Develope your talent... be it... do it from your Heart.
I agree.
I'd like to add that those who think holisticly tend to live holisticly that is they do what is good for the whole.
Quote from: Sharpe on September 17, 2007, 17:05:53
I don't believe I'm a magnificent spiritual being ...
In that case you are not. It is our believes that determine who we are.
There is even a sayinf "Believe in yourself".
Quote from: Mez on September 16, 2007, 20:33:13
Because you also dont have to play into their little scheme... you could go live in the bush and not have to ever use money.
Hello Mez,
I don't believe you'd be able to hide from them in the bush. They will locate you with the locating devices that pick up body-emitted heat. The same principle as they use to track criminals at night now - the night vision devices, or even some much more sophisticated technology than that.
Quote from: melody on September 17, 2007, 22:44:10
In that case you are not. It is our believes that determine who we are.
There is even a sayinf "Believe in yourself".
You made an error right here, you don't determine what your character is by thought.
Other humans determine who you are and your character by what they say.
If they do not approve your characteristics, you will do the same.
If they do approve, you will continue doing that.
This is social control.
It is your choice to let to be controlled by the opinions of others. It is also your choice to decide not to be controlled in this way and reclaim your full power to be who you want to be.
The choice is yours, and only yours!
I agree with you both here... There's a huge amount of social control but only YOU have the power. Theres a good saying Im always reminded of "There is no such thing as power over, only power within"
and as for hiding in the bush? I was talking about in the most remote area on the planet! I think its in the philipines or something... some places that just havent been explored so who'd look there? :P Either that or I could go hijack one of the pyramids i mean those pharoas dont exactly have a use for them any more they're dead... Who'll think to look for me there? :P haha.
Like, 5 million tourists a year maybe?
I donno, I'm just guessing :-D.
i'll use a disguise :P haha im just being silly anyways...
My family is a masonic family. When my Grandfather died last summer, he even had a masonic funeral...
And he was VERY Christian. My whole family is Christian, except for me. So, I'm gonna try and look at
what you're saying without being offended. Why would you think that the Freemasons are Satanic?
The symbol they wear on their rings are Christian symbols, arn't they? You know what my Grandfather
used to do as a mason? Make fruit baskets and take em to old ladies as gifts. I'm sorry, melody, but I have
a hard time seeing that as Satanic...
Man. All this talk makes me miss my Grandfather.
Oh, and Sharp: Right on man. Even if they are an evil group, I'd join anyways, just for the ring. And that extra protection, just in case they feel like taking over the world. Which, btw, is silly. A group like that can't take over the world. Unless those fruit baskets had nukes in em. :evil:
its only the people at the very top few levels that really know whats going on...
Most local Masonic organizations don't seem up to anything sinister. The one in my community does all kinds of awesome community work. I know that one of the regulations to being a mason is to help philanthropically without any kind of recognition in return. You have to do this to be initiated.
I've read all the conspiracy theories and don't know what to make of them, but I'm not worried about my local chapter.
"To imprison all of society and make a world government, we must help old ladies cross the street!"
Well now that would makes sense. If you were gonna take over the world dont you think you oughta be extremely likeable first? Isnt the rockerfeller family in the freemasons? They're a bunch of seriously evil people...
Hmm. It pisses me off that I won't know the truth in this lifetime.
Quote from: melody on September 16, 2007, 12:25:16
Here is more on these societies
William Cooper Exposes The Illuminati & The Secret Government
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574387786893863155
ILLUMINATI
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1490071466950648473
Angels And Demons Revealed
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-9085163575219188334
Conspiracies - The Illuminati - Our Secret Masters
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2080135823382973183
Has anyone every 'tried' to Astral Project inside of any of these meetings of these people?
Is there an 'Astral Secret Service' of anykind?
I have a friend that tried to Astral Project to see what GWB was doing and he told me he was stopped from some kind of Astral Entity...
How unconvenient for your friend.
The US government has done research into remote viewing. What they've found and how they've used it is unknown.
-AM
It was the military and thats where its used.
I recently watched a documentary on government RV programs, and while the programs were definitely real, they were mostly a cold war tool. The Russians had there own programs and began to release rumors of things, like they had a guy who could stop a goat's heart with his mind. But it was made up to scare the US. So the US would make up lies about what they learned to scare the Russians. They cancelled the RV programs because not only was the cold war cooling down, but they didn't get very good results. The were on about 1 out of 100 tries and could never prove the data found came from RV. They found it was a waste of time for such crappy results.
At least that's what they tell us...
Quote from: Stookie on October 03, 2007, 12:14:08
not only was the cold war cooling down
I know I shouldn't, but the above made me laugh! Did it then become the ice war? :-D :-D
Sorry... my warped sense of humour :wink:
Sarah
Here is a 4 page article on modern day Russian Mind Control research
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/09/mind_reading?currentPage=1
I recently posted this in another thread but it's probably more relevant here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7l6i4w11U
It's JFK basically saying that there is a conspiracy within the government before he was assassinated. I'd say seeings how the President of the United States is saying there is a conspircay means it's more than just paranoia.
-AM
This is a project JFK did not aprove. Was it another reason for his fate?
Operation Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
These two videos by a former freemason and a former illuminati should be seen by anybody who is or has family members involved in those organizations.
Exposing the Illuminati from Within. Part 1 - Bill Schnoebelen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2134284036772812990
Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6968701728290963918
wow wow wow wow wow...just wow...
masons are nothing but a bunch of old men who get together go over innocent "rituals"...stop believing in this masons rule the world conspiracy bovine excrement. i should know...my dad is a past worshipful master...i was going to join but that stuff doesn't interest me...know how i know they are not all powerful? my dad's a painter, my mom is a receptionist, i work in a candy store 12 hrs a week, and my sister goes to college...if you think thats power than something is wrong with you.
Quote from: SnakeDoctor on October 09, 2007, 14:33:44
wow wow wow wow wow...just wow...
masons are nothing but a bunch of old men who get together go over innocent "rituals"...stop believing in this masons rule the world conspiracy bovine excrement. i should know...my dad is a past worshipful master...i was going to join but that stuff doesn't interest me...know how i know they are not all powerful? my dad's a painter, my mom is a receptionist, i work in a candy store 12 hrs a week, and my sister goes to college...if you think thats power than something is wrong with you.
It goes way beyond the Masons. It goes way beyond most people...period. Only a very small sect of people truly pull the strings.
Here are some recent videos...this one is by Aaron Russo: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
This one is very recent also and very well produced: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Make fun all you want....Time is very short. The 'Veri-Chip' is a reality if we let them.
your proof is just a video on the internet....wow, i'm going to go make a video showing i'm immortal and post it all over the internet, guess that means i'm immortal!
Quote from: SnakeDoctor on October 09, 2007, 18:24:24
your proof is just a video on the internet....wow, i'm going to go make a video showing i'm immortal and post it all over the internet, guess that means i'm immortal!
No...just ignorant.
I agree with snake doctor, if anyone actually cares. The masons are harmless. Now MY cult on the other hand... that's a different story. ;-)
Here is a short video with another ex-illuminati disclosing the conspiracy.
Ex-Illuminati Leo Zagami on Jesuits, Zionists & Masons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9gitez0wiM
One has to distinguish between a true religion - believing in the true God, and the institution that professes to manage peoples' religious believes and lives, and that has its own agenda, not the least of which is control and power.
The problem with these 'secret societies' is really that our culture molds us to believe they are fantasies. Hollywood creates films where there are conspiracies to kill the president, high up in the ranks. So we are inclined to think that way. It wouldn't surprise me when any mention of a conspiracy is met with much hesitation from the collective mind. Most people don't really care about a problem if it doesn't effect them in their family home. Look after yourself and your friends and who else matters? Well thats really the attitude that got us to where we are today. Ethics is really the answer to most of our current problems. Those with the power rise above the law, when the mass demands an ethical approach, the power is overthrown, because power itself is unethical.
-AM
Does anyone know if other religions are as suspicious of the Masons, or is it mainly a Christian thing?
Also, does anyone know from experience if the Masons teach members esoteric stuff such as Qabalah or is it for meeting people and making contacts mainly?
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There's nothing to masonry about which you should be suspicious. It's the same type of thing as the old mystery schools that used initiations to begin real teaching. The only problem is the amount of people that don't understand the ceremonies or what they represent.
Going on second-hand knowledge from my grandfather(a 33rd degree Freemason) and another Freemason I know, Freemasonry isn't much more than a social fraternity whose purpose is to uplift the average man as an upstanding citizen of society. There are, of course, "bad potatoes" in the bag, as with any group, especially large, 'secret' ones.
Esoteric systems such as Qabalah and Hermeticism are not stressed bodies of knowledge, but the higher you go, the more 'branches' off to other groups and paths you have, and these may teach such systems. I am a member of a Golden Dawn order, which is probably one of the more prominent 'secret societies' that is focused primarily on esotericism. Funnily enough, the Golden Dawn is rarely included in the category of 'world-dominating secret societies' like the Freemasons or even the Ordo Templi Orientis is.
N.M.
JFK had his view on these societies: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080
OLD DOOD,
"Has anyone every 'tried' to Astral Project inside of any of these meetings of these people?
Is there an 'Astral Secret Service' of anykind?
I have a friend that tried to Astral Project to see what GWB was doing and he told me he was stopped from some kind of Astral Entity..." quoate.
I did not do OB deliberately but I ended up in one of these masonic cermonaries because one of my local GP`s lying through his teeth.. There`s basically an epidemic in the UK and probably the rest of the world for all I know in doctors and
lay practitioners using. Quantum Healing or vibrational med.
(Mind Control) He used some sort of intercom/mind reading machine on me.. But did not realise how sensitivity I was.
I reported him to his colleagues.
But they chose to believe him and closed rank and removed me from the practice while he still plays with them and other patients under the counter.
I tried warning the British Homeopathic butt. sometime ago as a lot of doctors who are homeopaths are using these devices.
Also the GMC and the Healthcare commission (NHS)..
They have not a clue.. The GMC does not want to get involved in so called alternative medicine. Regardless of them doing it under the counter. This basically effects us all these people are breaking healing ethics.. I was talking to someone the other day and he said Why are they doing it seeing its happen not just 3 times, I know what I am talking about.
The only concultion was they must have Munchhausen Syndrome.
Though a lot of people who do healing I find do do it and don`t ask. But when I ask they your tell you.. The answers yes..
But to have doctors who lie. Then continue to play.