Soldiers in Iraq know they are fighting and dying for a lie

[devinEentreE]

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/03/soldiers_in_iraq_know_they_are.html

Nearly three-quarters of the American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should withdraw within the next year and 29 percent feel we should get the hell out of the war immediately, a poll of military personnel serving in country reveals.

This jives with emails I've been getting from soldiers over the past several months and it confirms that those serving on the ground in the war don't share the rosy optimism painted by the Bush administration about the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

"Man, this gig has FUBAR written all over it," says a Marine who has served in Iraq for seven months. "Morale is the pits and nobody in our unit thinks we should be here."

The poll, conducted by Zogby International, offers a rare look into the mindset of fighting men and women serving in a war zone. That mindset is, to say the least, reflective of growing American unrest over a war based on false information and outright lies.

Among the findings by Zogby:

Only 23 percent agree with the President's position that we should "stay in Iraq as long as needed."
85 percent of those surveyed felt they were fighting the war "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9-11 attacks," although the 9-11 commission in 2004 found "no credible evidence" that Iraq had cooperated with al-Qaida in the attacks.
68 percent said they believed that the real reason for the war was simply to remove Saddam Hussein from power.
40 percent say the Iraqi insurgency is mostly homegrown, with very little foreign involvement - a direct contradiction of claims by the Bush administration.
55 percent flatly oppose using torture and other harsh interrogation methods on prisoners.
"Ninety-three percent said that removing weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for U.S. troops being there," says John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International. "Instead, that initial rationale went by the wayside and, in the minds of 68% of the troops, the real mission became to remove Saddam Hussein."

In another direct contradiction of stated White House policy, just 24% said that "establishing a democracy that can be a model for the Arab World" was the main or a major reason for the war.

Zogby interviewed the 944 soldiers at various locations throughout Iraq. Three quarters of the troops had served multiple tours and had a longer exposure to the conflict: 26% were on their first tour of duty, 45% were on their second tour, and 29% were in Iraq for a third time or more.

The Pentagon did not cooperate with Zogby in the survey and is trying to downplay the significance of the soldiers' responses but offered conflicting responses. In one released statement, the military brass said the troop comments were not valid because "troops in a combat zone are likely to express negative views of their situation."

Then Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Barry Venable tried a different spin.

"The poll's findings certainly aren't reflective of the attitudes we see displayed by the majority of troops, who are performing in a remarkable manner in a combat situation far from home," Venable said. I asked Venable's office for any polls the military had conducted on troop attitudes and morale and they admitted they had not done any surveys but added that they based their conclusions on reports from "commanders in the field."

Emails received almost daily from soldiers in the field confirm Zogby's findings and say Pentagon claims of success and high morale are, as one National Guardsman said: "Pure unmitigated bovine excrement."

Their emails, and now Zogby's findings, show these men and women who put their lives on the line day in and day out do so for a war they fully know was based on false pretenses and they are fighting and dying for a cause that doesn't exist.

[kiwibonga]

This is kind of sad... The media somehow gives soldiers the impression that they have a voice, but in reality, they signed up for it and have to do everything they're told, even if it results in their death -- protestation is not tolerated.

I really wouldn't like to be in their situation, but here's a piece of advice: If you don't want to die for your country regardless of reason, or if you're afraid of getting killed in action, do not join the army.

[devinEentreE]

war sucks... don't be a soldier unless you understand world politics.

[Leilah]

Better yet, Don't be a soldier untill youv'e read "Civil Disobedience" by Henry David Thoreau.

[Stookie]

The media portrays it this way, but I've heard otherwise from people who have been there. A guy who came into my work about a month ago just got back from Iraq. He said he was driving a Hum-V with his troops and a journalist, who he was supposed to take around and get shots. He said the guy would absolutely not cover any kind of rebuilding or agricultural aide, anything positive. He just wanted destruction. He said he called his higher-up and asked if they could ditch him.

If these jounalists come back with pictures of people helping, they won't be printed and they're soon out of a job. Don't get me wrong, I've been against the war from day one. I just think that what you see in the media is a very small part of the whole.

At the same time, when the media and politics screw with the real reasons for the war, a soldier may end up fighting for something other than what he signed up for.

[Rob]

Interesting point Stookie, the media rarely covers all the necessary sides of an issue as important as this, although if their stats are right they speak for themselves

Leilah:

Better yet, Don't be a soldier untill youv'e read "Civil Disobedience" by Henry David Thoreau.

Dont know that one, will try to get a copy. Also good is "War is a Racket" by Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler.

[Leyla]

Why do young people join the military? To get health care and education. This is why Republicans make sure the public has no national health care, or education benefits.

We are a wealthy nation and there is no excuse why we don't offer these things. You should not have to risk life and limb for basic human necessities.

But then, who Republican use to fight their oil wars, to make wealthy families even wealthier?