Sucide of a "Spiritual" Prodigy

[no_leaf_clover]

1) About hiding depression, i know for my own experience that it is possible. I remember a time when i was having very bad depressions (i had it for years) and some people said to me that i was the opposite of a non-depressive person...i was really good on hidding my problems.

I have a close friend like this. She acts really happy and hyper to sort of cover up being depressed, and you can't tell unless she's really depressed. Then you get those flashes of her real feelings in her face, sort of like the micro-expressions you get from liars.

Budha and Mother Theresa are genius...Isaac Newton was a little crazy.

There are all kinds of geniuses, I'm sure. If you take a psychology course, when you get to IQ and IQ tests, you can see this. There are all kinds of IQ tests, and none of them are very accurate, really, because there are so many ways a human can be productive. There are emotional IQ tests and tests that deal with your mental capacity for numbers, patterns, etc. and I'm sure there are some regions of human capacity for which no tests have yet been devised. So IQ tests are kind of meaningless, especially outside of today's educational system that's math/science-based and determinate mostly on how well you can memorize bits of info.

Maybe a general, all-around 'intelligence' doesn't even exist. I've seen documentaries on TV on the mentally/physically challenged, and they were some of the nicest, happiest people I'd ever seen. And it was genuine, too - you could tell. They weren't bothered by the fact that they were different or made fun of. Maybe we all excell in something unique, and that's part of our experience?

[Kazbadan]

Yes, i agree with you.

And you are correct when speaking about different kinds of genius. Bruce Lee was a genius on his art, and so was Dali, Mozart, myself (yes, iam good at everyting ...kiding), and many others.

Measuring inteligence its a difficult task, you can only have some hints about the inteligence of someone.

For example: sometimes i feel that people are unable to see my real inteligence. I feel that i am far away more inteligent than i can show, but in nowdays people like to put you down just to get themselves up, so they will never recohnize your capacitys (to be honest i dont need it, bur i refered the fact as an example to illustrate my point of view).

If we look wo all kinds of inteligence that we can measure in some way (mathematical inteligence, logical inteligence, spacial int...etc) the most important in my opinion, its the emotional inteligence (i will cal it EI).

Its the possiblity to control and deal in a positive way with your feelings and emotions. That inteligence its the one that dictates the way you react do hard (or good ones) situations in your life.

So, EI its the more important kind of inteligence because people with a high EI can adapt itself to the world much better than other people. They can change for better their lifes and other lifes and they can be happy or free themselves.

[CaCoDeMoN]

So, EI its the more important kind of inteligence because people with a high EI can adapt itself to the world much better than other people. They can change for better their lifes and other lifes and they can be happy or free themselves.

Yes, and also with the higher amount of people with high emotional intelligence, society can be much more advanced and do not fall as easily. Nearly all my friends have high EI...

[CaCoDeMoN]

you can't compare a normal person with einstein, einstein's life is worth 1000000 more than me or any ordinary guy,the genius is a lot more important to the human race than the ordinary guy.

i don't need self help books, i never did =) i just acept the fact when someone is superior to me.

oh keep on topic we're talking about the death of the boy not about me (i hate attention x) )

i admit you're probably going to pwn me at arguments because of your higher IQ.

I think that this doesn't make sense at all. I think that humanity doesn't need geniuses, it needs people who will teach others how to feel and behave like humans, not animals living only to fulfill their primitive desires. Work of Einstein could be done by non-genius people too, only it would take more time, but no one can do more than parents helping their children learn empathy, creativity and helping them create their own, critical point of view.
Science can be useful only when people are ready for it.

[CaCoDeMoN]

And you are correct when speaking about different kinds of genius. Bruce Lee was a genius on his art, and so was Dali, Mozart, myself (yes, iam good at everyting ...kiding), and many others.

Why do people always mention Mozart as genius? He created nice music but nothing more after all...

[Telos]

...what is spiritual about blowing your brains out?

Giving up material existence?

Spirituality is so suspect to this kind of shrewd satire. The only thing you can say is that "oh, well, people usually kill themselves because they're depressed and that depression will carry over blah blah blah blah blah blah."

Maybe people kill themselves because they are pure beings who genuinely despise material existence? I fail to see why this blows over so many people's heads.

Hmm, pun intended!

[Telos]

Some people kill themselves simply because they are bored.

All boredom is boredom for something material, isn't it?

(until you see the carcass)

What makes you think she didn't? Good-looking or bad, a carcass is material, so as a spiritual woman she could not possibly be offended by the sight of a dead body.

You seem to be approaching this with whimsy.

[beavis]

CaCo

humanity doesn't need geniuses, it needs people who will teach others how to feel and behave like humans, not animals living only to fulfill their primitive desires.

Which desires are primitive? All parts of Human brains had the same duration to evolve. Which desire is more primitive? The desire to grab a girl's butt, or the desire to get her drunk enough that she'll let you, or the desire to act like you dont like butts so she'll let you? All the same desire. The last 2 need more intelligence, but the goal is still to grab butts.

You read that and become angry at your human desires. They cant control me! You plan to act more spiritual to avoid that... and you conveniently ignore that choosing to do that was the result of a primitive desire to be unpredictable or to learn.

Work of Einstein could be done by non-genius people too, only it would take more time,

Then, given enough time, a monkey could write as well as you. It makes sense now. You're a jealous monkey!

[Nostic]

...what is spiritual about blowing your brains out?

Giving up material existence?

Spirituality is so suspect to this kind of shrewd satire. The only thing you can say is that "oh, well, people usually kill themselves because they're depressed and that depression will carry over blah blah blah blah blah blah."

Maybe people kill themselves because they are pure beings who genuinely despise material existence? I fail to see why this blows over so many people's heads.

Hmm, pun intended!

I agree that his spirituality may well have caused his death- he may have been desperate to leave the physical world.
But aren't there ways of giving-up material existence other that blowing your head off? One might say, for instance, that the dedicated yogi's highest goal is to kill himself, but not through rash decisions or impulsiveness.

I tend to think that people who kill themselves because of their spirituality are people who were on the brink of a major break-through. When you're [really] desperate to leave the physical world because you NEED to experience something greater, you are faced with only 2 choices- 1- kill yourself physically, or 2- seek the path towards enlightenment.
This guy, IMO did not choose wisely. No judgments though, because if in fact he was feeling desperate, God knows that I can relate.

[beavis]

But aren't there ways of giving-up material existence other that blowing your head off? One might say, for instance, that the dedicated yogi's highest goal is to kill himself, but not through rash decisions or impulsiveness.

If I wanted to smoke weed, I wouldnt protest, write letters to politicians, and wait for it to become legal. That rarely works and takes too long when it does. I'd just ask a friend to find me some and be smoking it in a few days.

You think he should have obeyed the rules, which would have taken decades or longer than his life, but he quickly got what he wanted.

If he could have gained something by staying the extra time is not relevant because you dont know the value of what he traded it for - entering nonphysical places from an earlier time.

[Nostic]

But aren't there ways of giving-up material existence other that blowing your head off? One might say, for instance, that the dedicated yogi's highest goal is to kill himself, but not through rash decisions or impulsiveness.

If I wanted to smoke weed, I wouldnt protest, write letters to politicians, and wait for it to become legal. That rarely works and takes too long when it does. I'd just ask a friend to find me some and be smoking it in a few days.

You think he should have obeyed the rules, which would have taken decades or he might have died of natural causes first, but instead he did it efficiently.

LOL, then keep smokin' your weed bro. If that's the level u want to stay at, it's up to you.

[beavis]

Its not about if I smoke weed or not. Its about finding the most efficient path to your goals.


Of all the types of chemicals in my brain, with their normal amounts, there are trillions of combinations of amounts that are only a little different, and the one that evolved to run from tigers and live in caves... is not the best amounts of chemicals for the things we do today.

Weed acts like a chemical already in brains. Smoking it increases that amount for a few hours.

You, who are not willing to experiment with a sub-optimal system, are on the lower level. Worship Evolution, creator of perfection.

[Nostic]

Its not about if I smoke weed or not. Its about finding the most efficient path to your goals.


Of all the types of chemicals in my brain, with their normal amounts, there are trillions of combinations of amounts that are only a little different, and the one that evolved to run from tigers and live in caves... is not the best amounts of chemicals for the things we do today.

Weed acts like a chemical already in brains. Smoking it increases that amount for a few hours.

You, who are not willing to experiment with a sub-optimal system, are on the lower level. Worship Evolution, creator of perfection.

LOL, then keep smokin' your weed bro. If that's the level u want to stay at, it's up to you.

[edit: I know what you meant beavis, I just don't take it seriously]

[Kazbadan]

Alcohol its good to for reaching niiiice states of existence!

Friends + Party + Drunkness = Feeeeel good!

lol! Ok, i am not saying to do this all the time, but from times to times (every 2 day...    ) its nice.

btw, i think this is not related with the topic...

[beavis]

Nostic I like this level, cause I have a great view of the sober people below.

[CaCoDeMoN]

Which desires are primitive? All parts of Human brains had the same duration to evolve. Which desire is more primitive? The desire to grab a girl's butt, or the desire to get her drunk enough that she'll let you, or the desire to act like you dont like butts so she'll let you? All the same desire. The last 2 need more intelligence, but the goal is still to grab butts.

You read that and become angry at your human desires. They cant control me! You plan to act more spiritual to avoid that... and you conveniently ignore that choosing to do that was the result of a primitive desire to be unpredictable or to learn.

I didn't said that all primitive desires are problems for humanity. This would be typical New Age belief. I think that although most of the primitive desires are needed for the humanity and can be very enjoyable, there are some that cause extreme harm. You should remember that  deep in the subconsciousness there's desire to destroy people of different races/religions, this causes many problems like wars, hate and intolerance. This desire is caused by evolution and exists also in many animals. Other primitive desires can also bring harm when they are uncontrolled.

[Kazbadan]

lol! "thanks" beavis...