(http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May20104/00000023.jpg)
Taken from commercial airliner over the Gulf of Mexico, oil as far as the eye can see.
I heard something about the Russians and Iranians telling the USA that this has happened to them before and they fixed the leak before enough damage occured to even be reported by the media. Apparently they have suggested a couple methods to the USA but they are ignoring it to profit from the media coverage or something. Money/power trumps morals in the West at this point.
http://pesn.com/2010/05/27/9501657_Gulf_oil_gusher_conspiracy_cover-up/
Wow that is an amazing photo. Just think what will happen if this goes on until Aug. like they keep saying. The hurricane's will bring all that oil right back at us and much farther inland.
I'm legitimately concerned that when I go to the Outer Banks in NC in July that there may be oil in the ocean.
Before I saw that picture I would not have thought that the oil would have reached the eastern coast, I'm not so sure about that now. As a side note: NC? say Hi to my Sis!!!
will do, just email me her address and a picture no more than 3 months old.
:wink: :wink:
:lol:
wonder if the oil is viewable in the ocean with satellites, would be very eye opening for everyone to see just how far the oil has dispersed as I'm 100% sure that picture does the spill no credible justice.
It is.
http://mashable.com/2010/04/30/gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill/
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
awesome
It's so awesome it makes me sick.
Quote from: Chris J. on May 30, 2010, 22:46:00
It's so awesome it makes me sick.
I'll second that... :(
My heart absolutely goes out to all those innocent animals.
~Ryan
If humans were as trees, and lay ever so quiet as they're chopped down, would they be slain so mercilessly?
I remember hearing days ago that the spill had likely already exceeded 40-80 million gallons, which would mean that it was at least three times as big as the Exxon-Valdez spill. And I suppose you could triple that estimate if this goes on into August as they said it might, meaning that as much as 250 million gallons or more could spill out. The well is estimated, last I heard, to be 50 million barrels in volume, which amounts to something like 2 billion gallons of oil. That means BP is admiting that an 8th of this well might well leak out into the gulf by their conservative estimates.
It is difficult to consider what kinds of ecologilcalconsequences will result from a spill of this magnitude.
Quote from: Stillwater on June 01, 2010, 08:02:37
It is difficult to consider what kinds of ecologilcalconsequences will result from a spill of this magnitude.
The gulf of Mexico is screwed... royally screwed.
And this is going to have repercussions globally.
That oil isn't going to stay put.
~Ryan
When Katrina hit, gas prices immediately soared and never came back down. I've been waiting for that again, but (at least around here) gas prices have stayed the same. They don't seem to be talking the economics of this thing. Who's taking the hit? Did I miss something?
Quote from: Stookie on June 01, 2010, 11:26:19
When Katrina hit, gas prices immediately soared and never came back down. I've been waiting for that again, but (at least around here) gas prices have stayed the same. They don't seem to be talking the economics of this thing. Who's taking the hit? Did I miss something?
Hopefully this isn't going to interrupt the SUPPLY lines.
I mean, back during Katrina they had to shut down a bunch of refineries. This caused a massive loss of production, which, obviously caused the price of gas to skyrocket.
This, so far at least, hasn't interrupted the production of gasoline... they're still getting oil from other sources.
THANKFULLY
~Ryan
It wasn't about refineries. I mean, maybe for a little bit. BUt then "they" recognized an opportunity to toy with us a bit.
Gas prices before Katrina were artificially low- I think the industry was trying to avoid scaring people, intending instead to gradually raise them until they were comparable with the actual market value of oil, in line with the rising price of the barrel again. I don't know what the current value of a barrel is, but I have heard many analysts say that the just value of a barrel in the market is now around $100 US, regardless of what they actually go for. I am fairly convinced that we are probably shifting to the down slope of Hubbert's Peak oil curve, as was discussed several years back.
I agree with Xanth on the last comment- the major role the gulf plays is in shipping routes for supertankers. The gulf drilling platforms do provide sizable amounts of oil, but their rates of output are dwarfed by other sources like Venuzuala, Russia, and the Persian Gulf region. Preventing the passage of ships was the main reason I would think Katrina effected gas prices- and once they were raised, the companies chose to profit by keeping them high for a while.
Actually, since gasoline is traded as a separate commodity... it has it's own price separate from oil.
Oil is trading this very second at $72.61 US.
They say that gasoline, per litre (which is how we do it in Canada) should be around the barrel price of oil / 100.
However, right now, our gas prices for unleaded gas is hovering around $1.00 per litre.
I think the litre to gallon conversion is 2.2
~Ryan
QuoteActually, since gasoline is traded as a separate commodity... it has it's own price separate from oil.
Of course- price per barrel crude does not directly pin down the price of gasoline, since other factors such as corporate pricing decicions, fuel to transport, and supply availibility affect the price of gasoline itself, but there is still a strong causal connection between the price of oil and the price of gasoline.
Quote from: Stillwater on June 01, 2010, 15:56:04
Of course- price per barrel crude does not directly pin down the price of gasoline, since other factors such as corporate pricing decicions, fuel to transport, and supply availibility affect the price of gasoline itself, but there is still a strong causal connection between the price of oil and the price of gasoline.
Actually, you'd probably never guess what the MAJOR driving factor in the price of Oil and Gasoline is...
SPECULATION!
We're talking future guesses... people who do the trading speculate what the future value of the commodity is and that raises or lowers the price.
Nice eh?
Up until very recently 6 - 8 years... a barrel of oil generally settled around $25 US. It's only recently that we've seen the price of oil skyrocket.
~Ryan
My speculation is that the oil industry sucks. Bikes rock! Except you have to oil the chain... and tires are petroleum based... dang it. We're stuck.
are you saying we're back to good ole' running?
Most of what we make out of petroleum, though, is only done that way opportunistically, because it is currently the cheaper option. There are other ways of generating plenty of the same organic compounds. Many crops produce oils that are suitable for making synthetic materials out of. Hemp oil is good for making clothing. There is also talk of genetically modifying bacteria to mass produce substances like polyethylene.
We don't have the infrastructure in place to do it now, but when there is a need, I don't forsee there being much difficulty in making the changes.
I wouldn't imagine those synthetics would be as cheap as those made from petroleum, but it is better than nothing :wink:
Quote from: Yin on June 02, 2010, 17:05:35
are you saying we're back to good ole' running?
If you can do it barefoot. The soles of your running shoes are petroleum based.
Quote from: Stillwater on June 02, 2010, 17:49:36
Most of what we make out of petroleum, though, is only done that way opportunistically, because it is currently the cheaper option. There are other ways of generating plenty of the same organic compounds. Many crops produce oils that are suitable for making synthetic materials out of. Hemp oil is good for making clothing. There is also talk of genetically modifying bacteria to mass produce substances like polyethylene.
We don't have the infrastructure in place to do it now, but when there is a need, I don't forsee there being much difficulty in making the changes.
I wouldn't imagine those synthetics would be as cheap as those made from petroleum, but it is better than nothing :wink:
Yeah, I'm sure there are other ways. At a starting point, just finding new means of energy, and slowly working our way off of oil. Even if we can cut back little bits at a time. Maybe if we start now, our grandchildren will reap the benefits. I'm not sure if we will. We need to sacrifice convenient living so they can have it good later. Waiting for something better while we continue the same path ain't workin.
Yes, but as you recognize, motivating people to sacrafice in the present in the interest of the future is generally going against human nature.
Pretty much every political election here in the states will focus on the events of the last few months as the deciding factor of who is better suited to be at the reins, and at the greatest degree of retrospective insight, each party will compare its candidate to the last president from that party. The Democrats are longing for the prosperity of the Clinton years, and the Republicans are the party of Reagan!
Motivating the population with threats that the future will be abysmal never seem to be good enough. The bottom line, it seems, is that the effects of an issue need to be both immediate and keenly felt for the majority of the population to use that issue as guide in voting; otherwise elections come down to one party using a social issue that has no actual potential for being significantly legislated on as their platform.
This oil spill issue for me is the most gut wrenching, horrible, discusting thing I have ever seen in my 45 years of life. I remember the Exxon Valdez spill and all the pictures of the birds soaked in oil. I still cannot watch anything about that because images of those oil soaked birds stay in my head.
This spill is worse, but yet on the news I have yet to see where they show the birds and animals soaked in oil. WHY? people need to need to see the effects of what this is doing. Instead the news talks about what elected officials should or should not do to because it might jeopardise there election possibility's down the road. Absolutely sickening.
Our in sashable need for oil has brought us to this. We are all part of the problem. I believe there is technology for cheap energy. Tessela and HAARP come to mind. Until the need for control, power,and greed are no longer running the world, we probably won't see any thing to replace oil. Even if there was a remote chance that something like could happen we should never have been drilling for oil a mile deep in the ocean.
This strikes me at the core. I dream about it, and think about it all the time. I live in midwest USA, I have only been to the ocean a few times, but I am sick to my stomach to see this happening to our earth. Lets just keep on killing our mother earth so we can keep driving our metal boxes to work to keep the whole system up and running.
Wow... Thats a lot of oil...
Here in Florida where I live (and where the oil is going to) they are showing what is happening in the swamps of Louisiana. Maybe we watch different news?
I blame the Liberal Media. :evil:
hippie scum
Hehehehehehe.. :lol:
I watch the Liberal Media, and they are showing it.
:wink:
are they bitching about all the poor little ocean creatures yet?
they have been about the fish, yes
Quote from: personalreality on June 04, 2010, 15:42:43
are they bitching about all the poor little ocean creatures yet?
If they're not, then I will!!
POOR FISSIES... :(
~Ryan
lol, i may have a rough exterior, but inside i'm weeping for the little ocean creatures.
poor fishies indeed
Don't forget the birds (http://www.google.com/search?q=oil+covered+birds&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=yhy&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=nv&source=univ&tbs=nws:1&tbo=u&ei=dWAJTIKXKcSqlAeih_2LDg&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCsQsQQwAw).
Quote from: Stookie on June 02, 2010, 11:50:15
My speculation is that the oil industry sucks. Bikes rock! Except you have to oil the chain... and tires are petroleum based... dang it. We're stuck.
This site (http://www.lowimpactliving.com/pages/your-impacts/oil2) gives a breakdown of oil usage and its impact on the environment.
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID5738/images/seabird7(1).jpg)
(http://www.shapingyouth.org:8000/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/oil-bird.jpg)
(http://www.inewscatcher.com/timages/b8f62133d52710a6878965d9f0e36700.jpg)
(http://photos.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/090930palin--125432248069089500.jpg) (http://animalrescue.typepad.com/animal_rescue_blog/images/2008/01/12/finished_feeding.jpg)
DRILL BABY DRILL!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/EVOSWEB_013_oiled_bird3.jpg/800px-EVOSWEB_013_oiled_bird3.jpg)
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I'll second that. :cry:
Aw those birds have such unique colour, I love the picture of them taking a nap on the box.
lol
they look so peaceful when they're sleeping don't they?
Yeah.... I guess the last one is sorta cute in a strange way...
But give me some credit!
The poor pelican in the first one is in agony!
Cute in a disgusting sort of way. O_o
I mean, would you say the same thing had those been humans?
Probably not...
Please remember before crude jokes are made, that it's important to know that all life deserves our respect.
~Ryan
I would still make that joke if they were humans.
In fact, I would have been much more cruel if they were humans.
You know I don't like humans. They don't deserve respect.