M.T. Keshe

[Thread Killer]

If this guy is even 5% real, it will make for an interesting thread.
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/

[Stillwater]

These solutions to world problems through abundance are perhaps well-thought and positive directions of future study, but I am afraid you can't really improve our probelms with technology.

We already have world abundance. We already have enough food to feed 20 billion people, and it is left to rot in grain silos in order to keep up prices, or to absurdly be made into biofuels at a net loss of energy to appease political ignorance.

We have enough energy and materials, provided we invested that energy into building renewable-source infrastructure. There is enough wealth in the world for every single person to live a life-style around what the upper-middle class Americans lead, if it were properly regulated and managed.

The problems of scarcity and human suffering are not due to a lack of abundance, they are due to social-controll and domination of natural resources by companies and governments. Wealth which could be used for serving humanity and the ecostructure is tied up in personal estates, or running cycles through financial institutions, where it can be used to defraud others of the materials and resources they rightfully earned or had as their birthright.

Our problems cannot ultimately be solved by technology, as much as I am an enthusiast- our problems relate to flaws in human nature, and social structures which have allowed us to magnify those flaws into forces of global plunder and build institutions to enslave (yes, today) fellow humans.

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This is what I've tried to stimulate with this post. A thoughtful analysis. Stillwater, it was you and those similar whose thoughts I've tried to solicit. Too good to be true and somewhat naive.

[Stillwater]

kind words 

I would not say entirely naive, because these people seem to want to bring about change, and they are empowering themselves by attempting to acquire the means- taking initiative is seldom naive.

That said, even if we attain abundance, it is abundance for whom, exactly?

About 10 years ago I suggested to my peers that nano-technology was going to bring about a revolution of cheap materials. The others quickly pointed out that the means for production, and therefore price-control would still remain in corporate hands, and therefore they would be the primary beneficiaries, since they would then pay next to nothing for products they can price at whatever the market will tolerate. While I still believe as then it will be a positive thing, I think it is also essential to view these breakthroughs in terms of who will dominate their applications.

Ultimately we need to develop a society based on universal principles of collective-good which dispenses with ideas like pre-emptive aggression, war, justice, and the potential for controll through unlimited personal gain, and institutions which impose unnecessary extrinsic controlls on a person's actions. But I don't think we can have such a world without great suffering first; human nature is retroactive... we tend to improve ourselves only after we come face-to-face with horrors we help create. Living on the brink of nuclear and environmental annihilation is apparently not enough to shock us to action- it really looks like we will not change until we do something truly ghastly, and have no choice but to alter course or cease exsiting. In that sense we are sort of like the Vulcans from Startrek; they were able to form a utopian society based on empathy and logic guiding all things, but only after witnessing the terrible wars their untrained psyches brought them. Lets hope we could only be so lucky...

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I can't see one government issuing a patent, let alone the "public" approval processes that deem a technology safe for consumption. As I see it, governments are antagonistic to the population and are revenue seekers. Taking away revenue streams would be met with a propaganda program online with communism as a threat. This scientist would be met with a rhetorical onslaught not seen in some time IF he were officially recognised at all. Madman. Megalomaniac. Terrorist. Pseudoscientist. Unstubstantiated claims. Again, if he were even officially recognised. Let's watch, shall we?

[Stillwater]

I can't see one government issuing a patent, let alone the "public" approval processes that deem a technology safe for consumption. As I see it, governments are antagonistic to the population and are revenue seekers. Taking away revenue streams would be met with a propaganda program online with communism as a threat.

This is almost word-for-word what Noam Chomsky would say about governments. He tends to view any government at all as inherently domineering, of course he also says industrialist corporations take on many of those same traits.

You would like his writings and ideas I think, if you are not already familiar that is.

[Thread Killer]

Ya, Noam and Howard make your gut burn with anger. It's taken years for me to not take it personally.  I do so enjoy your participation, Stillwater. Many cheers to you. Always a pleasure to read your posts.

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May I also say, as an aside, that my opinion has evolved to the point where I blame shareholders and not so much corporations for our current "situation" Annual stockholder meetings could be a place of adjustment for the world's moral compass, but profit and the status quo rule. Blame the stockholders!

[Volgerle]

Stumbled upon (t)his Foundation by a link on another site now. They seem to offer really world-changing solutions for everything it seems. Maybe too good to be true?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrN99RELqwo

Or is it true?  

His claims are a bit daring. Still he seems convincing and convinced. Here's a recent talk at a university in London:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-HQDCX7RW3c

(Btw, his views on what God is are very interesting, I recommend watching the whole talk/interview, he talks about God from min 17 onwards).

They seem to do some activism now, but I doubt it will have much success:

http://www.keshefoundation.org/introduction/342-important-announcement-by-the-keshe-foundation.html

http://www.keshefoundation.org/images/images%20of%20pdfs/Worldpeaceconferenceandtreaty_ed.pdf

Is it true? Are they true? Is this guy true? Don't know, but I feel urged to say ...Wow! anyway.

Considering the Disclosure events of what Beedekin recently posted and also the Sirius UFO/alien/free-energy movie, it seems we could really enter a time of change ("shift") now.

[Lionheart]

 I like his vision and I'm sure if the World Gov'ts were to sign that Treaty that the next day something extraordinary/extraterrestrial would occur.

But unfortunately, it's not going to happen unless Mr Keshe was to show the the World a undeniable sample display of his technology.

I particularly liked this PDF, where he talks in the third person, like he is a "visitor" that has been observing all along. I agreed with everything he had to say here.
http://www.keshefoundation.org/images/images%20of%20pdfs/Aninsightintothefuture_ed.pdf

But, there is too much money to be made by the War Machine for the World Powers to give it up right now. Five, maybe 10 years down the line, maybe.

I am crossing my fingers though, miracles can happen!