2 possibly fool proof technique I've discovered..

[Tom]

How exactly do you keep your feet flat on the wall, parallel to the ground (my walls are perpendicular to the ground), and held up only by friction?

If I put my back flat on the floor, bend my legs, and put my feet flat on the wall so that the weight of my legs presses my feet against the wall (like a board leaning on a wall) will that be close enough?

The second technique is completely unclear to me. How exactly are you suggesting that we follow in your footsteps with this one?

[Zarklon]

sorry I thought I put a lotta detail into it .. lemmi rephrase them both real quick.


Flatfoot techinque:
Sit in a chair , facing the wall .. stick your left or right leg out so that it is straight  out in front of you and your foot is flat up and down in the wall .. perpendicular to your floor just as your wall is to your floor... here is how the diagram should look   ---- (A is the leg) ( B is foot )  (||) is wall..

AAAAAAB||    leg straight to the wall ( leg can be bent a little for comfort , mine was bent slightyly cause it being straight would produce a strain on my kneecap ) .. a little more elevated than that diagram.. foot should be flat on the wall and might help to have shoes on , I dunno.  When your foot feels like it slipped down , you may be in astral .. keep in mind , your upper half should be relaxed , my elbow was kinda on my lapp , I was hunched over , my chin was resting in my hand and I was fallin asleep when I noticed my foot slipping.  

I dunno how else to explain it .. other foot can be wherever it feels comfortable , hell both feet if you want on the wall but I've only had one.. I suggest you do it with just one.  
The leg slipping is the most important thing to aquire , get it so that your shoes make it stick to the wall but not too good.. the more you think it's gonna slip , the more chance of it slipping in astral you have!


Masturbation Techinique:
Just get to the point where you get hypnagogic (dream) imagery and start holding a visualization of you masturbating .. you may not feel anything at the start but let the image get more and more realistic and then when you actually feel it , stop the image and check for paralysis.. from then , its up to you how you get out of your body at that point ..

I just try to get up with the intent on moving my physicla body instead of astral limbs .. keeping that in mind , I perform the act of physically getting up but theres some wierd  way that I focus on moving my astral limbs .. paralysis is a freet ticket to projection for me all the time .. the hardest thing I have though is getting there!


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(Another foot diagram below )

( = is leg )  ( |  is foot  the top "|"  is to show the top of the foot or toes)      ( 0's are the wall ) (....  ignore those )

...........0
.......... |0
=====|0    (Notice leg is not bent , you can bend it slightly and have foot  
.............0     lower than the knee for comfort.. )
.............0
............ 0
............ 0



Top part of your body should just be relaxed , if you can lean your head back in a chair thats cool .. mind was just hunched over and resting my chin on my hand. "The leg slipping is the most important thing to aquire , get it so that your shoes make it stick to the wall but not too good.. the more you think it's gonna slip , the more chance of it slipping in astral you have!"

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[liefmichael]

good post.  when you say 'friction' you mean don't press your foot against the wall to hold it up, just let it sit there and the slight grip your foot has on the wall is the only thing holding your leg up.  as you slip into a deeper state your body will relax and your foot will slip (whether it actually does or you think it does is irrelevant), alerting you to the fact that you are nearly asleep without actually waking you. another thing you can try is to lie down and relax, hold your arm up in the air, and don't do anything but try to go to sleep.  When you reach the right mental state your arm will fall, which can train you to remain concious while falling asleep.
Regarding the second method... yes it works.
However, it usually happens slightly differently.  After exhausting sex (coupla hours maybe) you feel drained and relaxed.  All I have to do is lie down while the heart is still pumping and start to go to sleep and my OBE goes into autopilot mode and happens automatically.
My most consistent method however, is to relax deeply for maybe 20 minutes, without actually straining or trying to project, just relax, shut off your senses, slow your thoughts.  I then roll onto my side, forget all about the OBE and go to sleep.  about 70 - 80% of the time i will project as i am falling asleep, presumably due to the pre-relaxed state i am in.

congrats on the experimentation.  maybe class isnt a good place to practice though?  you'll probably find youll wish you had listened when you are older

lief

[Zarklon]

Ahh yes liefmichael , that was the word I was looking for GRIP! hehe.. I couldnt think of it so I was saying friction.. jeez how stupid I sounded eh?

yea its your foot's grip that you want to be comfortable but not too gripped , I think you need to allow your self to worry about it falling so your subconcious can make you think it fell while you reach mind awake/body asleep or something. I dunno if it works that way but its a good assumption IMHO.

The second technique , thats cool that someone else has verified it .. simply reaching the hypnagogic state and imagining yourself masturbating or yea maybe having sex should actually make you feel liek you are at somepoint in the middle of your mental movie and that lets you know , you have drifted to sleep if you catch it. IF you dont , youll wake up remembering the wet dream you just induced lol.

If anything the first technique should be fool proof. I put almost no effort into it and it worked both times.

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[Leviiathan]

Zarklon: Where did you get that spirit mage image? I want to take a test if there was one, so link me <=D

Sounds like a good technique. I'll try it and give you some feedback. Now, the question is, where would a good place be to test this?

[Jacara]

Re: "masturbation technique" - I think perhaps one key to this is that imagining oneself masturbating is something that one can really put all of one's imagination behind.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>  He wasn't imagining doing it in his physical body, he was imagining it in the course of a dream with his body elsewhere.  It's like what "Rope" and the Yo-yo method are supposed to improve on; formerly the standard method to induce OBE was just to wholeheartedly imagine yourself outside your body, and if you imagined it well enough [using all your senses & concentration] you'd pop out to there.  Well, imagining the feeling of masturbating sure counts as involving the senses, and it's not hard to concentrate on.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>

Re: "spirit mage" image - if you look closely at the bottom of the pic {easy to miss}, he got it at mutedfaith.com.  They have a few quizzes there, the URL of the quiz page is http://www.mutedfaith.com/funny/quiz.htm

[Leftypilot79]

LOL.....the masturbation technique. Truly funny....and at the same time practical. It really is just like ROPE, and its something that EVERY GUY is familar with whether they want to admit it or not. And boys...remember....practice makes perfect. None of this you'll go blind stuff. lol.

aaron

[Zarklon]

heh , I'm glad I'm not getting flame messages for the masturbation technique , I was trying to be as mature as I could posting something like that here hehe.


I know that you can do the flatfoot technique pretty much sitting at your computer chair. I tried it last night but kept getting interrupted by different people coming into my room so I gave up. I had my shoes on and put my foot against my dresser and just got comfortable in the chair while listening to the lyrics of some phill collins music. I really think that you need to be listening to something and thinking about something for it to work , I havent tried it yet while not listening to anything.




--FYI
I got fully body paralysis this morning sleeping through history class. I changed positions and within seconds I was able to get that wierd feeling in my neck and knew I was paralyzed. It was a cool feeling and I was able to sit up in astral but not open my eyes quite yet. I was zapped back into my body shortly after... I went one and a half friggin weeks without an experience like that ,I'm so glad I was able to pull one off again.

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[Zarklon]

I have found these to work on 2 or more occasions after I tried using them purposly... Dont ask me how they work but its intersting to hear my theory heh..


1) Flatfoot technique:
     Sit comfortably in a chair , place your foot flat on a wall so that the only thing holding it up is the friction and make sure that it wont slip off the wall.
If you cant get the mental picture .. just make sure your foot is parallel to the ground and your foot is flat on the wall , held up only by friction.  When you relax , try to have something to listen to , maybe a lecture on tape , music? I dunno what I had was a teacher in class going over a test so I wasnt wanting to fall asleep although I had my foot comfortably on the wall , I was tired , and very aware cause I wasl istening to the test review..
That happened was I began to get very relaxed and I noticed my foot slipped off the wall and when I would think about putting it back up on the wall  , it JUMPED back there instantly .. I thoughti t was wierd but ignored it.. it slipped again .. I was like .. "ok I'll just change positions"  I but both feet on the floot , moved my butt around in the desk and put my head down a bit after I took a quick peek around at the classroom.

When my friend called me name , I opened my eyes , I was back i nthe same position I started in .. foot on the wall and it freaked me out cause the class and writing board had the same stuff on it really. He said I hadnt moved since the beginning of class.

Basically , the marker to let you know that you've fallen asleep while staying awake is .. your foot will feel like its slowly slipping .. I think its cause your subconcious is hoping the friction will keep it up and when you drift to sleep , you become aware that your astral foot started to slip or something cause your constantly having the worry of it slipping in the back of your mind cause theres nothing under it .. its just held flat on the fall from friction.
When you foot slips , you should feel paralysis.. unless it REALLY slipps off the wall or whatever hehe.. in that case , put it back on and check to make sure your not in astral already when you do it.

Let me know how this one goes ..


Technique (2 ) -----This one may seem very wacky cause of the content I'm about to reveal so if your grossed out by hearing other people's sexual stuff , I suggest you not read further. It worked 4 times in one night and I thought someone might be able to develope this to a better techinique.

The Masturbation Technique--- Oddly named ? .. just listen..
I was really tired one night and decided to relax with my breathing and everything in my bed .. I then got a very clear image of me walking outside somewhere and then I began to sit somehwere peacefull and started to masturbate in this dream .. ( I have VERY wierd dreams so this was not surprising lol )  Wierd thing was .. it felt so real and I was aware that I was still in bed imagining it .. I  stopped thinking of it and saw blackness behind my eyes , felt the vibrations from my neck again and experience paralysis .. I got up in astral , look around my room and decided , I better try that technique again but start off relaxing and imagining the masturbation thing again.

I relaxed , breathed , all that .. then began to imagine that I was masturbating .. almost immediately I felt as if I really was .. the feeling is better than actually doing it and I tried to move after I "felt" it  and was paralyzed .. I did this 4 times that night and every time I began to actually FEEL it , I was in a paralyzed state.

I dont know how to explain this one but I could have turned it into a wet dream conciously lol .. maybe this is how  Sexual Tantra goes ??

I later failed this techinque but woke up to an orgasm... so .. if you fail , you still get something good out of it hehehe.



I suggest you guys try the first one since , all I really did was try to fall asleep by listening to my teacher and thought it was aggrivating that my foot was slipping cause I was so comfortable .. only to realize afterwards that it was in astral.. one day a few days down the line , I did it again remembering my past experience and was ready that time to realize I was in astral when my foot slipped and did the NEW energy ways while paralyzed .. jeeeez it made so much vibrations come over my body as I pushed awareness to my neck..


Sorry if I shouldnt have posted my second technique but I warned everyone and its for everyone benefit to try it.. (I'm a guy by the way but maybe it would work for girls too) Good luck , let me know how they go!

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