OOBEs and Parallel Universes

[Nodecam]

Hi all, this is my first post and I would like to ask a question. Perhaps I should outline my OOBE experiences first. I read the Robert Monroe trilogy of books in the mid 1990s and I bought The Gateway for home tapes. During tape 3 or 4, maybe 5, I got the body (or soul?) vibrations and started to go down and I suppose out of my body, however this scared the living daylights out of me and I haven't been back since. I though I was supposed to go up and out?

Anyway after all those years I have managed to get the courage to try again and my question is this, assuming that there are parallel universes where all your choices are played out and are seemingly timeless, is it possible for me to visit these parallel universes and somehow relive my life again by somehow "possessing" my own body in a parallel universe of, say 1975? I've been doing a lot of reading on the subject of OOBEs and parallel universes and so on and I think it could be possible. Of course it won't be the exact same life as the one I've had for the past 30 years as the choices you make in this other universe will create yet another string of parallel universes. So you can't go back and clean up at the race track or stock market as it is not written in stone.

The idea intrigues me and is beginning to intrigue me even more as I discuss it with close friends, all of which, but one, believe it is impossible. I think if I could manage this, I would really have a great grasp on the nature of reality.

[Scorpyn]

First of all, the direction at which you leave is individual and may differ from time to time. Second, I've recently read some stories about people that had the feeling that they were posessing someone in their experiences, which may perhaps support that theory if it's more closely investigated.

However - parallell universes as explained by you here are not known as far as I know.

[Nodecam]

I believe that's a common theory of parallel worlds. Putting it very simply, I'm driving to work and there are 2 ways to get there, I decide 1 way and then the other, I choose one way and I'm aware of the one, but at that moment of choosing, I have created a parallel world where I am taking the alternate route. This goes on and on with every decision we make and it's tied into quantum physics. At least, that's my layman's understanding of what I've read. It also explains why we can't really foretell the future too well as it's a probable future and we really don't know what future parallel worlds we're looking into. We may look into the one where I've taken route 1 and got killed in a traffic accident or route 2 where I go safely to work.

I think another way of understanding parallel worlds is the theory that some have come up with that everything that can ever happen is happening in a timeless now and time is just a constraint on us in this physical reality. In this view, ourselves of 1975, of 1995 and so on ad nauseaum are still existing and happening. So I want to add the next dimension to it by accessing these parallel universes which are populated by ourselves of the past. The OOBE seems the best (and only way) to get to them at this stage.

Some links are
http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/multiverse.html - this article is what started me thinking along this way, I had it on disk, but lost it during a virus attack
www.probablefuture.com


Gregg Braden writes a bit about it in http://www.greggbraden.com/articles.php3
THE ISAIAH EFFECT

In 1957 a physicist at Princeton, Hugh Everett, III, suggested that for every moment of our lives there are many, many moments, possibilities and outcomes playing out simultaneously and present for every choice in our lives. They are all happening at the same time, though we are not necessarily aware of them. He called these parallel possibilities. Science fiction immediately adopted these ideas, and like so many others, it has not been proved to be a science fact.

In Braden's interpretation of the Isaiah Scroll, when we focus on one of those possibilities out of the many, this becomes our reality. What this implies is that for every moment of catastrophe the prophets see in our future, while they may well be possible consequences of the choices we are making in our lives right now, there are other outcomes just as possible.

Isaiah is very clear when he says that it is just as possible that we are about to enter a time of unprecedented cooperation between nations, and that war will not even be in our vocabulary. The mystery among the scholars has been how could these prophets speaking thousands of years ago see such different possibilities for the same moment in history?

"What I believe, and am calling the Isaiah Effect, is that the ancient prophets were actually adept masters at slipping between those parallel realities. And, they were giving insight to us in this generation as to what they saw as the possibilities in the only words that they had 2500 years ago. They took it one step further and gave us the science of how to determine which of those possibilities played out in our lives. Every time we make the choices that allow us to move into those new possibilities, we experience the Isaiah Effect."



You can also read Dr. Fred Allen Wolf

Parallel Universes:  The Search for Other Worlds
By Fred Alan Wolf
Simon & Shuster 1988 $19.95
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Tattered Cover     Paperback

An attempt to make sense of both quantum physics and general relativity
makes for a new  vision of reality which is parallel universe theory, the
theme of this book by the physicist, Fred  Allen Wolf, who won the
American Book Award for    Taking the Quantum Leap   .  After  
introducing the reader to Schrodinger's cat, Wigner's friend and the EPR
paradox, the author   illustrates the possibilities of quantum physics that
give credence to many themes in  contemporary science fiction.  Wolf
further postulates that black holes and lucid dreaming are  actually
gateways between universes and that time is not definite as we know it now
but  instead fluid so that the future can act upon the past and other pasts are
"out there" waiting  to be discovered.  Wolf sees time existing in a
hologram of parallel universes where one's  viewpoint alters the hologram
and assigns the hologram with probabilities.  Nice features of  this book
include a glossary of terms, notes, bibliography and an index.  Although
parallel  universe theory is not the unifying theory of everything that
Einstein and scientists today seek,  the ideas here are intriguing.  This book
is written for anyone who wants to know more about  physics and the new
paradigm.

People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between
past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
Albert Einstein

[Ben K]

What you are saying makes no sense. If a person travels to different physical universe, the YOU there is also going to have the same concsiousness as the YOU here. What are you planning on doing with the other YOUs concsiousness? Store it in a pickle jar?

How do you know that YOU dont already encompassess all other probables, and the ultimate YOU is what ties these probable realities together.

[Nodecam]

Well, both quantum mechanics and theory of relativity support the existence of parallel universes. The PU theory actually makes believing in paranormal phenomena a bit more plausible and closer to mainstream science and it does the same for alien abductions which are very probably not from this physical universe but a parallel one.

You've heard of the saying, "you create your own reality". Well the PU theory makes it simpler to believe, because the creation of the realities of so many of us would conflict with each other at some point. It would make this saying very silly. Not so if what we really do is create our reality in different PUs.

As for the other selfs in the multiverses, they have a consciousness of their own which is probably united to all of the selfs by a greater sub-conscious. If I were to go back and posses myself in a PU of 30 years ago, say, my consciousness would merge with myself in the PU. Didn't Robert Bruce and others ask, "how do you know the decisions or the self-talk in your head is really yours?". Hinting at the possibility of possession.

Did you ever wonder how you receive warnings about events in the "future" that turn around and actually happen? Did you ever receive information in your dreams where the answers to a problem you were trying to solve were given to you in complete detail? Such things can be explained by parallel lives, and PUs.

The parallel "you" does communicate with you in the life you live here and now as all is simultaneous in the universal realm, where it is always "now". Even this eternal "now" theory hints that the me of the past, present and future exists in a timelessness and therefore, theoretically, able to be accessed. The only way I can think of accessing it is via OOBE.

I also recall Robert Monroe's OOBEs and his visits to PUs.

[MontanaHayseed]

FWIW, a couple thoughts:

1) Where time travel becomes possible, time in effect becomes two dimensional.  Think of it:  Say, every instance that someone revisits the Battle of Gettysburg, if they can act (if not, then the B of G would be presenting as a "read only memory"; and so one would not be going back there as pa participant, but only as in the reading of a very good history book) then the event changes is some way.  That is to say, the event itself keeps changing.. going through an independently emeging time "line".  Events then become "places".  1964 is a place where things  happen, for example, and continue to do so: The New York World's Fair is still open and presumably, still has the feel of the time.

2) Consaciousness really does seem to be water like:  when you smush two pieces of it up against one another they become to some extent co-operative.  So when you go and visit your awareness somewhere, it is reasonable to expect, as a matter of course, a two way flow of "stuff".  Good, bad or nonvalent, things seems to leak from one person to the other. Here are three examples taken from real life.  It is much easier to find oneself thinking complex inteersting thoughts in a region near a large university: it is almost as though the air itself is used to carrying a more complex type of mentation.  I suspect that this is a combination of group consciousness which is very loose and somewhat intermittent, as well as the region being permeated with thought forms.  This is a sort of general example of a "good" effect.  One that was most people would regard as not so favourable is the case of a person who acquired a boot fetish at the same time as one of his friends mysteriously lost interest the very same fetish. It was as though that particular piece of consciousness, whatever it was, was materially transferred from the one being to another.  In a neutral case, I once made love to an egghead science guy type.  For the next several days, I had the most peculair sensation of having this water distortion over my eyes.. there was nothing there, and no real visual effect, but the sensation was unmistakable.  When I realized I was sensing HIS experience of wearing his contact lenses, the effect dimished and gradually faded away.  And lastly, on this, back in college I knew two girls that were close friends to eachother.  Very different types, one was a reserved, circumspect anglophile, while the other emulated Janis Joplin in possibly every way.  One day the two went off on an acid trip together.  When next I saw them,  "Janis" had come into posession of a new diffidence relative to her experiences; they had become something to be mulled over quietly, or not, rather than something to be hypnotized and carried away by.  Her friend, in turn had become shockingly boisterous.  Even some mannerisms, microbehavioral patterns, verbal/language structures seem to have transferred.  Too, I think it is possible for consciousness to relatively seperate, afterall, how many times have we had the experience of duality, feeling somewhat in body but also at a distant place. Seth (Jane Robert's books) has stated that everytime we consider a thing or place we in some measure beging to project energy to that place... the intensity of the intent corresponding to  the intensity of the projection.

All that said, the path to clear things up is the existential one: All there is is you, and the direction you are heading in.   What do you mean to be doing and why?  If you want to be visiting a former or alternative self, just have a reason for doing so.  Remain aware that every action we take has its costs, risks, and surpirse potential as well as whatever rewards we may hope ensue.

all just my opinions and ruminations,
MH