a bad experience , wondering why?

[jerri255]

Hi, first of all this is such an awesome site, I never experienced anythink like it. I am new here and this is my first post... just a little about me, I have been having astral travel experiences for 2 years now , at first it terrified me but as I learned about it and got confident I am able to choose where I go although I have never choose to leave the house . Just having fun with it... Actually when I first looked up what I was experiencing I ended up being the only one in another forum that was trying not to have these experiences and to my surprise , people were frustrated because they couldn't ...  I understand why now, lol... I did alot of study on the subject.
At first when this all begun, I would hear this real obnoxious motor like sound and my body would viberate as if every one of my cells were jumping...I woke in such fear and to make it worse I was paralyzed... I have MS and thought oh no!! but it went away in about a minuite if I recall correctly... I was in shock... this was my first experience...
I will share other experiences which get incredibly more exciting but being new , I am not sure where I should be putting these experiences.
The reason I am writing this post is because my last experience terrified me... at the time everything was going really well in my life.. I am 95% of time in peace and contentment so this makes this experience a little more difficult to understand... this is where I am hoping someone here will help me.. Please.. I really don't want to be scared for I know if I am , that is what I will get, a frightful experience.
My experience....
The usual happened where the sensations in my body started... did your leg or foot ever fall to sleep and when you move your leg?,  the sensations  , the pricklies I call them starts. it is sort of like

that , in the way that you can feel every atom or cells dance in your whole body, I then roll out of my bed and before I float off I always go and kiss my 2 sons...I take of feetfirst  sometimes  

and other times Head first , then straight up moving at the speed of light it seems. This experience was Head first..
This time I was not going fast, in fact I felt as if I were being pulled... a couple of seconds later  I felt hands  around my wrist, I felt as though we were face to face but I could only see these hands in my head , the feeling of the hands painted the picture in my head because it was too dark..... I stuggled to let go and became quite scared.. I immediately woke up and felt , wow! Why was that entity trying to pull me??? If it's hands were pretty or felt like a human instead of a monster I would have went with it no problem!
What bothers me is the fact that I wasn't scared anymore!! On my way up I had pleasant thoughts and these hands are felt out of nowhere ... does anyone have any theories or know what may have happened here... I have questioned it over and over and haven't had an experience since, bad or good which now has been over a week.  Thank you, I look forward to hearing replies.. thanks for having me!  Naomi

[CFTraveler]

Hi, first of all this is such an awesome site, I never experienced anythink like it. I am new here and this is my first post... just a little about me, I have been having astral travel experiences for 2 years now , at first it terrified me but as I learned about it and got confident I am able to choose where I go although I have never choose to leave the house . Just having fun with it... Actually when I first looked up what I was experiencing I ended up being the only one in another forum that was trying not to have these experiences and to my surprise , people were frustrated because they couldn't ...  I understand why now, lol... I did alot of study on the subject.

Hi Jerri.

At first when this all begun, I would hear this real obnoxious motor like sound and my body would viberate as if every one of my cells were jumping...I woke in such fear and to make it worse I was paralyzed... I have MS and thought oh no!! but it went away in about a minuite if I recall correctly... I was in shock... this was my first experience...

These are normal separation sensations.  They're known as vibrations, astral noise, and are common when you first start having conscious exits.  When you get used to exiting awake they become less dramatic and sometimes are hardly felt.

The reason I am writing this post is because my last experience terrified me... at the time everything was going really well in my life.. I am 95% of time in peace and contentment so this makes this experience a little more difficult to understand... this is where I am hoping someone here will help me.. Please.. I really don't want to be scared for I know if I am , that is what I will get, a frightful experience.

I can give you one or two theories, and others will add to them, I'm sure.

This time I was not going fast, in fact I felt as if I were being pulled... a couple of seconds later  I felt hands  around my wrist, I felt as though we were face to face but I could only see these hands in my head , the feeling of the hands painted the picture in my head because it was too dark..... I stuggled to let go and became quite scared.. I immediately woke up and felt , wow! Why was that entity trying to pull me??? If it's hands were pretty or felt like a human instead of a monster I would have went with it no problem!

This probably a "Dweller on the Threshold" experience.  They usually try to stop you from projecting, but sometimes those 'forced exits' happen.  I think these are lessons on what to do when you are afraid- a fear lesson.
There are things you can do to stop them, (energy work actually worked for a similar problem I was having, coupled with simple countermeasures) but most probably it's a lesson you have to finish, or deal with, and it'll stop when you are 'done' with it.  I have a feeling you may be done with the fear part of it, but I couldn't really know.

What bothers me is the fact that I wasn't scared anymore!!

This is actually a good thing- if you have overcome the 'fear' lesson, other things will happen that will guide you towards 'what you're supposed to do', so to speak.  And don't worry, a couple of weeks is not long, when it has to do with adjusting and lessons.

[jerri255]

Thank you for your response! So fast! You are right when you say you think I have overcome my fear, I am ready .... and now with this Knowledge I can now do my best..I never heard of a Dweller before but I will look it up after I write this..I am wondering if I should have just went with it because a part of me wanted to but at the same time I wanted this entity to get lost..  I felt for a second I could do this because a while back, I used to have projections that were unguided and I would encounter a shadowy figure, this figure would constantly try and pull me to where ever he wanted me to go and I would always fight it, it was exausting!!! This was when I knew nothing of what was happening... once I gained knowledge and put a protective light around me and prayed , I never encountered this again... I did ask for protection this night and to come to think of it, in real life my sister was coming home after having been away for some time and we never got along as much as I desired .. so maybe in my subconscience I was troubled which made me weaker! I do remember having negative thoughts about it. Anyways I feel I am getting stronger for my sister and I are getting along fine, next time I will confront this thing and tell it to go away and then go my way.. who does he think he is to ruin my beautiful experience?? lol ... I am what they call the Jill of all trades, I was stuck on a project at one point and actually went and met a teacher that showed me how to resolve it!!! Way cool hey?  Thank you for responding!! I am glad you said you were a girl for I thought by the name you were a guy. lol  Everyone thinks I am a guy going by my name as well, I thought the i in jerri would tell the story but oh well, I am a girl too. lol  Have a great day!

[bondgirl3007]

I've had things grab me before. Sometimes, the hand has gripped me so hard, it has hurt! I've actually had to pry the fingers loose. It didn't really scare me, but just kind of left me bewildererd that I could feel pain while out of my body.

[bondgirl3007]

Dweller on the threshold- wikipedia answer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dweller_on_the_threshold

[Greytraveller]

Hi Jerri

I have had a few negative encounters with hostile beings out of body also. It does not happen often yet it does occur now and again. So your concern Is understandable. I see it as a reason to be more cautious than scared. You have the right idea of protecting yourself with a shield of light. Other people use that same technique for protection while out of body and from their accounts it is an effective method.

Stay safe, regards 
Grey

[missym]

Perhaps your interpretation of what happened is what makes this seem like a bad experience?
Maybe whoever grabbed your wrists was not doing so to try to hurt you, but instead lead you somewhere you needed to be? Or help you out of your body? I know it can seem even scarier when you're in the dark and can't see who's there, but just a suggestion.
   

[jerri255]

Thank you so much again for your responses, the last response in particular grabbed my attention the most by Missym ( although all were great) because this evening I was playing it over in my head again , I did get scared and struggled for maybe 3 seconds to get loose but what came back to me was not the actually experience but how I felt afterwards... I actually had wondered if this entity was good and maybe my fear took over and painted these ugly hands..... then in the morning when I woke for the day I had obviously choosen to think that it was a frightening experience all around when in fact I remember now that I choose to forget it and went back to sleep... a couple of years ago when it all started I would be so frightened that I would not even go back to sleep such as this experience....
I felt I was being pulled out of my body, I was on my side and my body felt like led at first and then ever so light and my body ripped through the universe only then to have an incredible sinking feeling coming down as fast as I went up.. it was like swinging to high on a swing and getting butterflies in your stomach...
When I came back down, I thought I was awake and I looked around... I was floating above my bed but laying there as if I were in my bed... being closer to the ceiling gave me the first clue something real strange was going on..... I felt a presence beside me...I looked over and could just barely make out probably the sexiest looking man I had ever seen..I could even make out that he had a beard... He never spoke but I knew his intentions, I tried to move but he was suddenly making love to me... I fought like hell to get him off me and the strangest part is that is was so incredible I would forget to fight, then when I realized again what was going on , I fought him again.. this happened over and over again until finally he gave up and I woke up in the biggest panic and shock I had ever went through... I never told this to anyone ever..... any ideas on this one, lol   and yes I am single and haven't had sex since my marriage broke up over 6 years ago..           I know I am getting personal but I really need answers... Thank you guys.. this is so great.

[CFTraveler]

In this case I'm thinking the Dweller may be an Incubus or Succubus (the reason I'm including both genders is that in some theories they are genderless, and only assume the form of the attractor to the person they have targeted).  If it is an incubus, simple countermeasures and your intent not to have satisfying sex with it (If you know what I mean, wink wink) will make it go away, because their food will not be available, their food being sexual energy.

However, if this dweller is of the 'teaching' variety you will continue to have similar experiences, until you learn to deal with it differently.  Whatever that means.

[omcasey]

I think these things are not anything in particular, but rather a spectrum of possibility that the state of our own mind directs.  This said, I can't help but ask, CF--  how does one identify a being as an incubus or succubus?  Are there signs??

[RisingSon]

Naomi, obviously that man must have been me since he was so devastatingly gorgeous 

OK, kidding aside I understand your discomfort at being touched in the first place regardless of this being's intention.  I was pulled down by a hand into my bed just the other night into another dimension - I don't have to tell you I was very surprised!  The overall feeling I had about the rest of the experience was pretty dark and I suppose that was due to my perception of it rather than anything inherently negative about the experience.  I have been touched on many occasions, usually cold hands pulling on a leg or arm and the classic "sitting on the chest" feeling, but never has anything tried to have sex with me.  I suspect that you need to decide that this being can't hurt you before you can move on. 

Don't feel bad though, just one night after having been pulling through my bed I found myself yelling in my sleep at a presence in the room with me just before waking.  In truth it seemed like a neutral entity, kind of like a shark circling around for a look, but I was so frightened that I screamed at it repeatedly.  My screams eventually woke me up.  Guess I've got some fears to work through myself!

[jerri255]

Thank you CFTraveler,Omcasey and Rising son, so yes I am wondering the difference myself between an Incubus and succubus, are you saying that the sexuality is the difference yet they are genderless so it is a way give them a name ? 
Rising son , you made me laugh, nice to see that we can be down to earth here, no pun intended. This experience happened a long time ago and I have never encountered one like it again and here is what I did. I visualized this man in my mind during meditation , I waited until I felt some kind of presence.. I told him he was never to do that to me again and that he had no right to violate me...  now rather my mind just dealt with it by confronting him or that he may have actually heard me really doesn't matter, it matters that it no longer happened so I would suggest this to someone in a similar experience because it truely worked for me.
Rising son, I also had experiences in the beginning something like yours... one time this dark shadow was trying to enter my body... I never fought so hard in my life, the room was dark , I had a floaty kind of feeling and I felt with all my heart that this thing was demonic... I started praying although I wasn't religious and to my surprise I ended up speaking in tounges!!!!! which was when it left me alone... I stayed up all night literally terrified and even called a friend that travelled at 3:00am for an hour to be with me. This never happened since as well .. you have to remember I didn't know anything about astral travel at that time.
Thanks all for your input!!! I am really learning here and would like to continue learning so I will now go educate myself on the terminology in astral travel..... isn't it also called phasing???or is that something different? Have a great day guys!  Naomi

[CFTraveler]

I think these things are not anything in particular, but rather a spectrum of possibility that the state of our own mind directs.  This said, I can't help but ask, CF--  how does one identify a being as an incubus or succubus?  Are there signs??

An incubus appears as male, a succubus appears as female.  However, the theory goes that these are energetic beings and genderless in the sense of organic beings- they supposedly pick up the images they use from your own mind (i.e. your sexual preference) and use them to provoke an orgasm.  The energy is then absorbed by them, and that's what they 'eat'.
The 'creatures' (for lack of a better term) are not 'evil', that is, their intent is not to hurt, however, like any being, they require energy to exist, and they are usually defeated easily by denying what they need- the energy.

Now, how I have come to separate an incubus/s. from any other type of being is:

These creatures use mostly visuals to provoke the effect.  They don't 'rape' you or anything like that, they just make you sexually excited, and the orgasm is like a reflex.  If you've been preyed on by one you will feel like crap the next day- low energy, exhausted, like you would like to sleep for three more hours.  This kind of feeling.

If there is sexual contact (tactile, such as intercourse) chances are it's not a succubus/incubus- other things like another astral projector or even a very vivid dream is probably what is happening here.  You will usually feel fine afterwards, not drained or extra-tired.


If the sexual encounter is besides the point, that is, there seems to be a lesson attached to an experience, then I would call the event a 'Dweller experience' and leave it at that, because it all depends on what the lesson is.

And that's what I can think of.

[omcasey]

Interesting, thanks for the reply, CF..  This has been coming up alot lately- intense sexual energy, manifesting a man into my arms.  VERY tactile.  The energy bringing this about I feel is not so much physical sexual energy as a re-connection with the full spectrum feeling of my beingness itself.  This said, it does certainly seem to be outpicturing, and getting experienced in very human, physical ways.  It could be my soul is ready, and intent upon manifesting a mate.  If this is true, how kewl! to be privy to the inner processes of it happening.   

[ancient_one]

Jerri
Fear is the main thing to deal with about any of these experiences.  Other beings have been part of my experiences since the beginning.  I think most of my fear was abated though once I started to regularly see and have contact with the others- whoever they are.  Check out the earlier entries of my blog (see signature line) to see the evolution of my experiences once real contact was made.  Not to say I am always at peace with the encounters, but it is usually more to do with feeling bad about them in the same way a child who has done something wrong would fear a being scolded by a parent.   But, I have not seen everything out there, so it is still a good idea to look deeply at each experience before giving in to whoever has happened upon you.  If it turns out you are running from a well meaning entity, they will be patient. If you are running from one of bad intent- you can usually just force the experience to end. 

[jerri255]

Hi, sorry I haven't replied, my computer was sent away for repairs.. I just couldn't wait to get back in here... it really is the most interesting , responsive site I have even been to.
Great replies by the way! There is so much to learn, more than I thought!
I had 2 experiences just the night before and 2 nights before that, both never got far but it confirms that it is fear on my part.. 
My first experience was this ungodly whistle that blew in my ear, it peirced! I managed to get through it for it was brief but loud enough to wake the universe, lol.. I was aware that I was leaving my body because of the tingling sensation I get everytime so I decided to roll over.. I rolled opposite of the way intended and my body started sinking through the bed.. I said  " the hell with this!" and woke up.
My second experience was very brief.. that stupid whistle blew again, it woke me this time.

I seem to be going backwards ... I started so much different.. at least I flew through the universe and ended up on different plaines! Once I landed in a hospital, I glided, (flew) down the white corridor and seen an old lady sitting at  a table.. I made a right turn and then wondered what I looked like and what I could do... so I started fliping in midair in slow motion , enjoying the sensation.. I looked at my body and then boom I was awake! too bad , I wanted to explore so much more.

So I wonder why I am doing it opposite of everyone in here, at least from everything I have read so far... I started out astral travelling and the more I questioned it , the worse I got at it, lol  I guess fear sneaked in there... man I have to stop this fear thing , it is getting annoying especially if you don't even know what the fear is..  I welcome all replies and thanks for the invites to other readings...
 

[ancient_one]

Hi, sorry I haven't replied, my computer was sent away for repairs.. I just couldn't wait to get back in here... it really is the most interesting , responsive site I have even been to.
Great replies by the way! There is so much to learn, more than I thought!
I had 2 experiences just the night before and 2 nights before that, both never got far but it confirms that it is fear on my part.. 
My first experience was this ungodly whistle that blew in my ear, it peirced! I managed to get through it for it was brief but loud enough to wake the universe, lol.. I was aware that I was leaving my body because of the tingling sensation I get everytime so I decided to roll over.. I rolled opposite of the way intended and my body started sinking through the bed.. I said  " the hell with this!" and woke up.
My second experience was very brief.. that stupid whistle blew again, it woke me this time.

I seem to be going backwards ... I started so much different.. at least I flew through the universe and ended up on different plaines! Once I landed in a hospital, I glided, (flew) down the white corridor and seen an old lady sitting at  a table.. I made a right turn and then wondered what I looked like and what I could do... so I started fliping in midair in slow motion , enjoying the sensation.. I looked at my body and then boom I was awake! too bad , I wanted to explore so much more.

So I wonder why I am doing it opposite of everyone in here, at least from everything I have read so far... I started out astral travelling and the more I questioned it , the worse I got at it, lol  I guess fear sneaked in there... man I have to stop this fear thing , it is getting annoying especially if you don't even know what the fear is..  I welcome all replies and thanks for the invites to other readings...
 

Jerri255

Fear and going backwards. . .
Even now at times I feel I am going backwards in all of this.  I think on a certain level of awareness, going OOB and being in that awareness is the most natural feeling sensation there is.  Maybe early on in your experiences you realized that, but at the time you were just going with the flow in a natural way, aware of it but not really conscious of what you may be able to do "out there".  Now that you are trying to control the experience, you have triggered a fear response in another level of your awareness that is trying to tell you to knock it off already.  There is a difference in being aware and being aware of it enough to consciously exist on that level.  When I had my experience in which I confronted my fear, I made a conscious effort to make the switch in how my experiences would continue from that point.  I still back-slide on occasion.  Sometimes it catches me by surprise, and the fear is still there to take over.  At the end of those sessions, I am always a bit perturbed that I lost a chance to experience something other than the fear. 

Whistling noises
And others actually. . . I used to fear in my earlier days that these noises would make me lose my hearing.  And related to that, I used to wonder why no one else could hear that I was in trouble and come to get me away from this noise. 

Ask for help. . .
Your guides may be there to help you.   Once I contacted my own guides, a lot of the more disturbing sounds and sensations started to go away.  It was so much easier after that, and in most experiences I was aware that I was not alone.  And also looking back, I am also aware that these same guides were with me before the confrontation.  I was just choosing to ignore them, or I was not capable of responding prior to the time I did. 

[jerri255]

Hi I am back again, I try and be persistent coming back to the forum but studies, work and being a parent certainly demands more time than I like to give at times, lol. Anyway, it is great to be back... awesome reply "ancient one," your name suits your replies... it was very interesting  to hear that I am going backwards and I believe your explanation was right on the money, it is since I have tried to control the experience.. maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to just let it be and not try.. I feel the same in the way that is feels like second nature such as  when I am being pulled like as magnet pulling me out of my body or when I roll out of my body and bed... I just wish the rest could feel as natural..I am stuck at what the next step is for me because by nature I am  a positive person and before going to sleep I meditate only on good things and feel at peace nodding off... I have absolutely no idea how to deal with the fear if it is not effecting me on this side. How long must I train my subconscienceous to let go of something that I am unsure of. I have learn to focus and deal with problems in every day life and am really content. I couldn't ask for more, I feel complete even if I don't have a mate. I feel I have everything under control...
I do believe it is fear but fear of what ? ( retorical). I have been so tired I haven't had an experience now in 6 nights. Maybe when I start again it will be a new beginning... I am freakin going to do this. Does anyone have any ideas on how to relieve the fear, unknown fear, lol.

[ancient_one]

Jerri255

Well, I am not sure I would suggest totally giving up control in order to combat the fear. It may be more a thing of WHAT type of control you apply and what control you try to give up.  I do not want to be confusing here, but it is a confusing topic.  I am starting to feel like an American Idol judge, suggesting to a contestant what type of song to sing to be the type of singer you already want and know yourself to be on the outside away from the contest.  They are poor judges to try to suggest what the singer contestant probably already knows on a certain level.  And the contestants who try to please the judges by taking their advice end up being criticized because they are not being true to their inner singer when they take the advice.  Those who do well already know the songs to sing that are natural for them, and they would not take the advice of the judges even if it were offered.    

I guess it is about learning to get in contact with that part of you that knows the naturalness of the experience, and allowing that part to have control instead of the part of you that is more in tune to the present physical awareness.  I am not sure how to do that other than to have the experiences and learn to adjust to them as they are happening.  In my blog someplace I talk about getting used to being in the water in a swimming pool before you can learn to swim and before you can just take a plunge into a lake. Maybe it is like that- or it was in a way for me.  I tried by maintaining OOBE awareness through a period of vibrations.  I tried to raise the frequency of the vibrations proving to myself I had that level of control.  I moved an arm out.  Later I moved the other. I moved my legs out. Gradually over time and many experiences I got used to being in the OOBE awareness and maintaining that awareness and control.  It became natural to feel that type of control without the fear I had once associated with the experiences.  Then it became an easy step to tell myself it was OK for me to separate and feel that part of it.

This site has a good resource as well in case you have not found it yet, here is the link.
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html