I would like to share my website with everyone interested in exploring our multidimensional universe. Using Out-of-body methods I spent the last forty years investigating the realms which we are likely to encounter during OBEs or will inhabit one day after we die. These were also recorded in the book "Multidimensional Man". The website is designed to give readers and anybody interested a better understanding of our multidimensional reality.
Here you will find guidelines, explanations of the various phenomena, videos, pod casts, links and down-loadable wallpaper inspired by visits into an alternate reality.
I hope you'll enjoy it: http://www.multidimensionalman.com (http://www.multidimensionalman.com)
Thank you MDM!
Looks very nice. I'll have to bookmark it for later. :)
Looks like you've made an awesome site and your articles are very interesting and resonate with truth.
Hallo MDM
Thanx for that link.
I'll check out your website and post back here with some feedback.
Regards 8-)
Grey
Very interesting, thanx very much. I too have bookmarked it and will gradually read it all.
You might wanna correct that spelling mistake on page 1 though (proof to prove).
Not trying to nitpick, it just looks bad thats all :wink:
MDMA in disguise?! Sorry, I just simply couldn't resist :lol:
kind regards,
Paul
The author does a really good job of describing the lower, middle and higher astral planes:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Lowest_Dimension.html
Fascinating stuff
Quote from: MDM on December 18, 2010, 11:30:05
I would like to share my website with everyone interested in exploring our multidimensional universe. Using Out-of-body methods I spent the last forty years investigating the realms which we are likely to encounter during OBEs or will inhabit one day after we die. These were also recorded in the book "Multidimensional Man". The website is designed to give readers and anybody interested a better understanding of our multidimensional reality.
Here you will find guidelines, explanations of the various phenomena, videos, pod casts, links and down-loadable wallpaper inspired by visits into an alternate reality.
I hope you'll enjoy it: http://www.multidimensionalman.com (http://www.multidimensionalman.com)
Very interesting site! The way I see it, "Awareness instead of belief", is when/if someone someone can consistently astral project and it's beyond coincidence. Someone might claim that the person dreamt or hallucinated consistently though. But perhaps there is a way to tell you're definately not hallucinating. Anyway, according to you, is a dream always an astral projection?
Thanks everybody for your feedback. (MDM, by the way, stands for Multidimensional Man not MDMA :-D)
Quote from: View578 on December 20, 2010, 16:29:20
Very interesting site! The way I see it, "Awareness instead of belief", is when/if someone someone can consistently astral project and it's beyond coincidence. Someone might claim that the person dreamt or hallucinated consistently though. But perhaps there is a way to tell you're definitely not hallucinating. Anyway, according to you, is a dream always an astral projection?
The whole subject regarding dreams and hallucination is a complex one. The way I see it is that, if I am out-of-the-body and have full waking consciousness, then this would not be a hallucination or a dream. Though of course, this is a subjective experience. You can dream without having an astral projection though. Then there can be dream or fantasy overlays or projections during an OBE. I arrived at this conclusion when I transitioned from a dream into a lucid dream and found that the dream content disintegrated when I became fully lucid, but the environment where the dream took place did not change much, if at all.
This is worthy of further investigation. I once had an OBE where I was walking through a cartoon town with cartoon characters and I thought to myself, 'this is definitely not right, this must be a dream', until I bumped into two guys, who where cartoonists, who had created the whole scenario in 3d with animated 3d cartoon characters. There was even a 90" cartoon TV set in one of the cartoon shops which played, you guessed it: cartoons. So although it appeared to be a dream it was actually consensus reality for everyone to witness, who happened to stumble past.
The whole subject of dream content, projections etc will be explored in more depth in another chapter on my website. But I am always open to the observations by others.
Any idea when the author plans to update his site with the higher dimensions??
Quote from: MDM on December 21, 2010, 12:16:11
Thanks everybody for your feedback. (MDM, by the way, stands for Multidimensional Man not MDMA :-D)
The whole subject regarding dreams and hallucination is a complex one. The way I see it is that, if I am out-of-the-body and have full waking consciousness, then this would not be a hallucination or a dream. Though of course, this is a subjective experience. You can dream without having an astral projection though. Then there can be dream or fantasy overlays or projections during an OBE. I arrived at this conclusion when I transitioned from a dream into a lucid dream and found that the dream content disintegrated when I became fully lucid, but the environment where the dream took place did not change much, if at all.
This is worthy of further investigation. I once had an OBE where I was walking through a cartoon town with cartoon characters and I thought to myself, 'this is definitely not right, this must be a dream', until I bumped into two guys, who where cartoonists, who had created the whole scenario in 3d with animated 3d cartoon characters. There was even a 90" cartoon TV set in one of the cartoon shops which played, you guessed it: cartoons. So although it appeared to be a dream it was actually consensus reality for everyone to witness, who happened to stumble past.
The whole subject of dream content, projections etc will be explored in more depth in another chapter on my website. But I am always open to the observations by others.
So in other words, if you feel the same basic way that you do normally in your waking state, it pretty much guarantees you that you're astral projecting.
That's interesting, how you mentioned about that cartoon-like portion. If I'm not mistaken, I recall having read that there's no reason for someone to be concerned about demons being on the astral plane, but there might be beast-like entities made from the thoughts of other projectors, or perhaps even by yourself. And then there's the consideration that if there seem to be demon-like entities, they could be from lower planes and might be souls who somehow did not end up deserving to be on a higher plane.
It might be hard to simplify these things because of the many claims you might find in different books. It's nevertheless perhaps interesting to consider though. Makes me wonder what it would be like to actually astral project. Do the thoughts of people on earth have any effect on what goes on, or what exists on the astral plane (if there is one)?
QuoteDo the thoughts of people on earth have any effect on what goes on, or what exists on the astral plane (if there is one)?
In theory, the astral plane is made of all the collective thoughts- all of them. It has also been described as the 'collective consciousness' or 'collective unconscious'.
Quote from: CFTraveler on December 21, 2010, 13:13:56
In theory, the astral plane is made of all the collective thoughts- all of them. It has also been described as the 'collective consciousness' or 'collective unconscious'.
Now this I didnt know.
So basically every thought ever thought of by any human, whether on this planet or any other planet in the universe, has played a part in constructing the astral planes, correct??
Wow, must be a big place then :-o
Quote from: View578 on December 21, 2010, 12:54:55
So in other words, if you feel the same basic way that you do normally in your waking state, it pretty much guarantees you that you're astral projecting.
That's interesting, how you mentioned about that cartoon-like portion. If I'm not mistaken, I recall having read that there's no reason for someone to be concerned about demons being on the astral plane, but there might be beast-like entities made from the thoughts of other projectors, or perhaps even by yourself. And then there's the consideration that if there seem to be demon-like entities, they could be from lower planes and might be souls who somehow did not end up deserving to be on a higher plane.
It might be hard to simplify these things because of the many claims you might find in different books. It's nevertheless perhaps interesting to consider though. Makes me wonder what it would be like to actually astral project. Do the thoughts of people on earth have any effect on what goes on, or what exists on the astral plane (if there is one)?
Yes, I would only record my out-of-body experiences in my diary when they were experienced in full waking consciousness in order to be as reality aware as possible. The super dimensional levels can be very deceptive and confusing to say the least and one can easily be fooled by appearances. It is also important to take note of repeated experiences. I have noticed on forums people report regularly that when they project out of the body their bedroom had changed somewhat. I had the same observation over and over again which I interpreted that the bedroom was actually a super-dimensional counterpart of the physical bedroom and as such contained modifications only thought of, even subconsciously.
This leads me to the next part of your post: demons, beasts etc, which I referred to in my book as artificial entities. They are often apparitions brought about by negative thoughts, vitalized and animated by negative and destructive emotions. They only appear on the very lowest dimensional levels though and only last as long as the emotions sustaining them, but habitual negative emotions can make them a more constant companion for its creator. The opposite is true on the higher levels, there are also artificial entities and they are much more attractive, but not necessarily beneficial. This is a fascinating subject dealt with in my book, but I am preparing an article on this for the website.
And yes, as CFTraveler rightly pointed out, we are all contributors to the astral planes. Our subtle energy bodies are all connected to corresponding dimensions. (see diagram 2 http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Mechanics_of_Out-of-body_travel.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Mechanics_of_Out-of-body_travel.html), which means we contribute to all the astral environments. The only difference between us and the "dead" is that we have an additional dimension (the physical) to function on and only subconsciously function on the other levels.
Curiously our contributions are more abundant on the lower dimensions because we are so obsessed with our vital interests. There is even an abundance of rubbish (literally) in some areas, which I eventually put down to the fact that many of us down hear think a lot of "rubbish", I am sorry to say.
Quote from: Fresco on December 21, 2010, 13:58:57
Now this I didnt know.
So basically every thought ever thought of by any human, whether on this planet or any other planet in the universe, has played a part in constructing the astral planes, correct??
Wow, must be a big place then :-o
'Big place' denotes space, which is a 3-D thing, and nonphysical reality doesn't exactly work that way. ps. that's what the M-Band is and the Akashic Records. The ability to turn all this noise into coherent thoughts/experiences, information.
Quote from: View578 on December 21, 2010, 12:54:55If I'm not mistaken, I recall having read that there's no reason for someone to be concerned about demons being on the astral plane, but there might be beast-like entities made from the thoughts of other projectors, or perhaps even by yourself. And then there's the consideration that if there seem to be demon-like entities, they could be from lower planes and might be souls who somehow did not end up deserving to be on a higher plane.
As far as I know (have experienced) there is no such thing as "demons" as we understand the term (beings of complete evil), and I find myself quite exasperated when people use this heavily emotionally-charged term as it is quite inaccurate and perpetuating of myths. There are unpleasant people in the astral just as in the physical, in varying degrees. I have met people who completely exude and seem to enjoy negativity, they are obviously misguided to some extent but they also seem quite driven by some purpose in their endeavours, which I do not care to understand at this point. In any case as has been mentioned this is a rare occurance only in the lower levels, which aren't terribly fun or interesting compared to the higher ones, in which case the average projector would feel like spending very little time there if they can help it. I'm the type that doesn't want to spend time there, but can't really help it ;) I found that outside of flying around, there's just not much to keep someone occupied in the lower levels. The people there are either too self-involved for polite conversation, or what little they do converse about is very limited and akin to having a conversation with any average person off the street in the physical.
Quote from: CFTraveler on December 21, 2010, 15:31:20
'Big place' denotes space, which is a 3-D thing, and nonphysical reality doesn't exactly work that way. ps. that's what the M-Band is and the Akashic Records. The ability to turn all this noise into coherent thoughts/experiences, information.
Until I have a peek myself into the higher astral planes I dont really know what you're talking about
Then this will give you a clear goal.
I heard they have sports stadiums in astral and even play soccer world cups and olympics, is this true??
Quote from: Fresco on December 21, 2010, 19:03:25
I heard they have sports stadiums in astral and even play soccer world cups and olympics, is this true??
They have anything and everything that anyone has ever thought of. :)
And much, much more >:D
Quote from: AlanRK on December 21, 2010, 20:34:42
And much, much more >:D
I think I know where you're going with that :-D
Hi Jurgen,
very interesting site indeed, bookmarked now. 8-) :-)
One first thing that strikes me: you write about a "wormhole in our brains" that connects us all to the other dimensions. Is that more a metaphorical expression or do you really mean this literally? :? :wink:
Many other theorists talk in their holistic and / or vitalistic models about (nonlocal) 'quantum' fields around our human bodies who are in constant interaction with our body and organs - including of course the brain - but not only the brain. For example, some researchers also found out that the heart plays a vital role in information sharing with the outside environment and even giving info to the brain. In some precognition studies of the Heartmath or IONS institute they found out that the heart "knows" things ahead of time - and ahead of the brain, too.
So, if you still put all the weight on the brain is it still speculation (which still seems logical to me as it is related to the functions of thinking and cognition of our body-vehicle here) or do you have any evidence or conclusions from your experience to support it?
Cheers,
Volker
Quote from: Volgerle on December 22, 2010, 11:38:34
Hi Jurgen,
very interesting site indeed, bookmarked now. 8-) :-)
One first thing that strikes me: you write about a "wormhole in our brains" that connects us all to the other dimensions. Is that more a metaphorical expression or do you really mean this literally? :? :wink:
Many other theorists talk in their holistic and / or vitalistic models about (nonlocal) 'quantum' fields around our human bodies who are in constant interaction with our body and organs - including of course the brain - but not only the brain. For example, some researchers also found out that the heart plays a vital role in information sharing with the outside environment and even giving info to the brain. In some precognition studies of the Heartmath or IONS institute they found out that the heart "knows" things ahead of time - and ahead of the brain, too.
So, if you still put all the weight on the brain is it still speculation (which still seems logical to me as it is related to the functions of thinking and cognition of our body-vehicle here) or do you have any evidence or conclusions from your experience to support it?
Cheers,
Volker
Hi Volker,
Yes the "wormhole" was meant more metaphorically, but according to an article in New Scientist (June 2010) a part within the brain seems to have been identified which is more active during lucid dreaming. I have observed that the energy "funnel" or "cord" can project from various parts of the body, including from the heart, to the astral body.
I also observed that each cell and every atom of our body has a super-dimensional counterpart and is connected to consciousness and intelligence.
From a super-dimensional viewpoint each atom of the universe, including each person is also the center of the universe. Seen from "above" this creates an incredibly complex and beautiful "tapestry" generating intricate pattern not only laterally on one level, but multidimensionally. This explains why we all feel unique and so important, because we are all, paradoxically, the center of the universe. We are also linked to each other and everything in some incredible fashion (more about this in a planned article on the super dimensions).
Yes, it's interesting what you are saying, the heart playing a vital role in information sharing. We know this intuitively through our experience. There are also some interesting studies with regard to transplant patients, who became privy to some of the character traits of the previous organ donors.
Going back to the brain during projection we naturally regard the brain as the key instrument simply because we use it for visualization. Though I would like to hear from people who have used other exit points.
website is the shiznick lol
alot of great info... thanks for sharing.
you know i also noticed that i like websites where people draw out what they see in the astral....this site has a few good 3d pics that were made to show a astral location or entity....theres some on youtube too....anybody know any good sites where maybe theres video or images/drawings trying to replicate what was seen on the astral? i just love looking at them :lol:
Quote from: Xplorer88 on December 26, 2010, 17:33:14
website is the shiznick lol
alot of great info... thanks for sharing.
you know i also noticed that i like websites where people draw out what they see in the astral....this site has a few good 3d pics that were made to show a astral location or entity....theres some on youtube too....anybody know any good sites where maybe theres video or images/drawings trying to replicate what was seen on the astral? i just love looking at them :lol:
Mr MDM has a site www.lightandmagic.co.uk which he says are his artwork inspired by his experiences out of body.
Hi Xplorer,
You can download most of my pictures free as wallpaper. Just go here and click on "Galleries":
http://www.magicfantasyart.com (http://www.magicfantasyart.com)
I hope you'll enjoy the pictures.
Thanks, Jurgen
Quote from: Xplorer88 on December 26, 2010, 17:33:14
you know i also noticed that i like websites where people draw out what they see in the astral....this site has a few good 3d pics that were made to show a astral location or entity....theres some on youtube too....anybody know any good sites where maybe theres video or images/drawings trying to replicate what was seen on the astral? i just love looking at them :lol:
Great website, just bookmarked it :wink:
Jurgen,
I still think your rebuttal of the validity of regression hypnosis reports is a bit too hard. I've read many accounts of life-between-life regressions that do not necessarily contradict APers reports. They also talk of cities, areas, buildings, landscapes and people appearing in bodies (mostly their incarnations, alternating) - although things are more fluid there.
Maybe it is just because in hypnosis you do not see and experience it as directly as like in a projection. Possibly hypnosis "view" is just like looking at it through a blurrying lens or a filter laid upon their perception, that is why they describe more light orbs and energies instead of "solid" sceneries.
We should not forget: in hypnosis you mainly just deal with memories, unlike OBEs when you are actually "there, on-location" - ok... later you also report it as you memorised it, but it is still much more direct. (Although sometimes it is indicated that regression subjects get direct advice from their guides or meet them 'live' to discuss some life issues.)
Moreover, many reports on past lives from these techniques lead to validations.
So I do not think it is really that different at the core. Perception may differ due to a different technique, but the content iteslf surely isn't.
E.g. comparing M. Newton's systematisations and categorical stages / locations in the afterlife (somehow chronologically from homecoming to reintegration to life and learning there and to preparation for further incarnations) for me fits almost perfectly with some descriptions of those locations and 'institutions" (e.g. reception center, rehabilitation center, library) described by Monroe and other of the TMI (mainly said to be "located" in Focus27).
Just my 2 cents.
Volker
I was listening to a radio show about people who suffer from depression and how some are suicidal, and I'm thinking if they knew about astral world after they die they would all kill themselves en masse. Its probably better they dont know
Fresco, although that concern might be valid, judging by my own past experience, when I was depressed, APing was absolutely terrifying and not a place I would wish to be.
Quote from: MDM on December 26, 2010, 19:47:45
Hi Xplorer,
You can download most of my pictures free as wallpaper. Just go here and click on "Galleries":
http://www.magicfantasyart.com (http://www.magicfantasyart.com)
I hope you'll enjoy the pictures.
Thanks, Jurgen
Really cool artwork. very nice!!
You should make more drawings of what aliens look like though
Quote from: Fresco on December 27, 2010, 16:08:24
I was listening to a radio show about people who suffer from depression and how some are suicidal, and I'm thinking if they knew about astral world after they die they would all kill themselves en masse. Its probably better they dont know
Once suicidal people realize that the disposal of their physical body will have no effect on their state of mind after death, they will feel much less inclined to kill themselves. Especially if they realize that their state of mind will have attracted them to an appropriate environment, which is equally gloomy and will still demand them working though the problem which prompted them to end their life in the first place.
This should serve to discourage any would-be suicide. I have personally met a suicide bomber who, after killing himself and many innocent others, found his envisaged "heaven" in direct opposition to his expectation and could serve as a powerful deterrent to anybody planning to end their own life or the lives of others.
Quote from: MDM on December 28, 2010, 07:29:43
I have personally met a suicide bomber who, after killing himself and many innocent others, found his envisaged "heaven" in direct opposition to his expectation and could serve as a powerful deterrent to anybody planning to end their own life or the lives of others
But I thought when people died they would go into the astral plane that most suited their belief system right before they died. And if they believed in 65 virgins right before they suicide bombed some place then thats exactly what they'd wind up with when they died, with 65 virgins
Quote from: Fresco on December 28, 2010, 10:03:34
And if they believed in 65 virgins right before they suicide bombed some place then thats exactly what they'd wind up with when they died, with 65 virgins
No, don't think so. They will end up somewhere, with others of the same belief system, who also believed they would end up with 65 virgins. *dark humor*
Quote from: Pauli2 on December 28, 2010, 10:25:03
No, don't think so. They will end up somewhere, with others of the same belief system, who also believed they would end up with 65 virgins. *dark humor*
And, they'll all be virgins.
:evil:
LOL :-D
:NoY:
I think they will wind up with their 65 virgins, but upon closer inspection they'll be shocked to find out virgins arent real.
They'll be the blow-up version of an astral doll :-P
Quote from: Fresco on December 28, 2010, 11:26:47
I think they will wind up with their 65 virgins, but upon closer inspection they'll be shocked to find out virgins arent real.
They'll be the blow-up version of an astral doll :-P
Actually, and I know CF is joking (halfly :)) I think that's what would happen.
Everyone would perceive everyone else as being their virgins... and try to use them as such. ROFL
Quote from: Fresco on December 28, 2010, 10:03:34
But I thought when people died they would go into the astral plane that most suited their belief system right before they died. And if they believed in 65 virgins right before they suicide bombed some place then thats exactly what they'd wind up with when they died, with 65 virgins
The reality looks totally different. Energies released due to the action of the perpetrator, such as the suffering of their victims, their family etc, all have a bearing on the reality experienced against which their most cherished beliefs have little chance of materializing. Reality has a greater bearing on experience than wishful thinking. I have a detailed report on the afterlife fate of a suicide bomber which I shall publish in due course. All I can say for the moment that it did not turn out at all the way the poor guy imagined his fate would turn out due to his misguided belief. The next dimension is not a world where every wish automatically comes true. There are too many subconscious forces at work and too many levels of reality which have a bearing. It would be wrong to imagine just because we belief in something it will automatically happen. It will not. On the lower levels, which is focused on selfishness and disregard for other forms of consciousness, the creative energies are extremely limited and restricted and instead other forces come to bear.
Quote from: Fresco on December 28, 2010, 10:03:34
But I thought when people died they would go into the astral plane that most suited their belief system right before they died. And if they believed in 65 virgins right before they suicide bombed some place then thats exactly what they'd wind up with when they died, with 65 virgins
Quote from: Pauli2 on December 28, 2010, 10:25:03
No, don't think so. They will end up somewhere, with others of the same belief system, who also believed they would end up with 65 virgins. *dark humor*
Quote from: Fresco on December 28, 2010, 11:26:47
I think they will wind up with their 65 virgins, but upon closer inspection they'll be shocked to find out virgins arent real.
They'll be the blow-up version of an astral doll :-P
Quote from: Xanth on December 28, 2010, 11:49:02
Actually, and I know CF is joking (halfly :)) I think that's what would happen.
Everyone would perceive everyone else as being their virgins... and try to use them as such. ROFL
I know you all might be joking, I can't tell, but I really hope you don't interpret the astral or the afterlife in such a crude, simplistic manner.
On a related note, I do not think suicide bombers actually believe in getting X virgins in the afterlife, this is most likely a myth.
Quote from: AlanRK on December 28, 2010, 13:58:23
I know you all might be joking, I can't tell, but I really hope you don't interpret the astral or the afterlife in such a crude, simplistic manner.
On a related note, I do not think suicide bombers actually believe in getting X virgins in the afterlife, this is most likely a myth.
It depends upon their religious beliefs really.
If they believe that they're gonna get 72 virgins upon their death, I do wholeheartedly believe that's what they're going to get. It's the power of expectation.
BUT... I do want to put it out there that THAT isn't the true afterlife, it's only part of the Belief System Territories. In my opinion at least.
I view the TRUE afterlife starting after you've shed those beliefs (religious or otherwise) that keeps one trapped in the BSTs.
Expectation is not an infallible power. My expectations of the astral have always had to be remodeled or destroyed due to encountering things which I did not previously think was possible or likely. Now, that is me going into the astral intentionally with a semi-open mind. I do not know how someone who has just died might enter it, especially if their state of mind and the circumstances of their death are as convoluted and dramatic as, for example, a suicide bombing. I would think it would be a state comparable to mental illness, and I do not know what happens to mentally ill people when they die. I do think that the state of mind they're in is boundlessly more significant than their expectations.
Quote from: AlanRK on December 28, 2010, 14:29:37
Expectation is not an infallible power. My expectations of the astral have always had to be remodeled or destroyed due to encountering things which I did not previously think was possible or likely. Now, that is me going into the astral intentionally with a semi-open mind. I do not know how someone who has just died might enter it, especially if their state of mind and the circumstances of their death are as convoluted and dramatic as, for example, a suicide bombing. I would think it would be a state comparable to mental illness, and I do not know what happens to mentally ill people when they die. I do think that the state of mind they're in is boundlessly more significant than their expectations.
Thanks you Alan, this is what I found on more than one occasion. The state of mind is paramount. I found that two of my close relatives, one of them my mother (documented in my book), who found themselves in very poor afterlife conditions, due to depression they suffered. This may sound cruel, because they were both of very good character, but this is just the way life is and the afterlife is no different.
thx for the extra sites guys!
appreciate it :-D
Quote from: AlanRK on December 28, 2010, 14:29:37
Expectation is not an infallible power. My expectations of the astral have always had to be remodeled or destroyed due to encountering things which I did not previously think was possible or likely. Now, that is me going into the astral intentionally with a semi-open mind. I do not know how someone who has just died might enter it, especially if their state of mind and the circumstances of their death are as convoluted and dramatic as, for example, a suicide bombing. I would think it would be a state comparable to mental illness, and I do not know what happens to mentally ill people when they die. I do think that the state of mind they're in is boundlessly more significant than their expectations.
Oh definitely, 100%. I'm not contesting that... well really, I'm not contesting anything you've said, I agree with you. :)
It's that very circumstance that will really screw them over... however, their continuing environment and their emotional loop that they get stuck in will be one created from their beliefs + expectations combined with the fact that they're in a massively problematic state of mind to begin with.
Quote from: MDM on December 28, 2010, 12:33:45
The reality looks totally different. Energies released due to the action of the perpetrator, such as the suffering of their victims, their family etc, all have a bearing on the reality experienced against which their most cherished beliefs have little chance of materializing. Reality has a greater bearing on experience than wishful thinking. I have a detailed report on the afterlife fate of a suicide bomber which I shall publish in due course. All I can say for the moment that it did not turn out at all the way the poor guy imagined his fate would turn out due to his misguided belief. The next dimension is not a world where every wish automatically comes true. There are too many subconscious forces at work and too many levels of reality which have a bearing. It would be wrong to imagine just because we belief in something it will automatically happen. It will not. On the lower levels, which is focused on selfishness and disregard for other forms of consciousness, the creative energies are extremely limited and restricted and instead other forces come to bear
This makes the most sense
MDM you should write more captions below the pic like in the dreams album they all have it, that says what you were seeing and what happened etc in the pic. overall though fantastic work!
^^^^yeah, excellent point.
And also describe alien lifeforms more, I find that stuff fascinating
For authenticity's sake I need to point out that my images where inspired by my out-of-body experiences and are not faithful representations of my experiences (this is mentioned in the intro to my website: http://www.magicfantasyart.com (http://www.magicfantasyart.com)
I always start off by trying to depict an environment I have encountered, but the creative process is such that it progresses along different lines during execution. For example nearly all the images in the category "Alien Worlds" were an attempt to capture one visit encountered and reported in my book on page 178 (Another universe, another world) where only image AP037w came somewhat close.
There are some which are better recorded than others in what I saw, but I felt always let down and frustrated by the fact that neither the consciousness nor the feeling of the place could ever be expressed adequately. So I tried to represent the scenes by capturing an atmosphere, using colour and design, rather than being literal and representational. Where I succeeded most in this are images HL029w, HL001w, HL012w, HL014w, HL032w on "Astral Planes" and particularly, imo, Swan Lake (minus the swans).
The top scorer in terms of representational authenticity (75%) is image HL005w (Astral Planes), from the chapter "Settlers on another Planet" (Multidimensional Man)
However, these images are only "fakes" in as much as they express my inability of a faithful representation. The reality is much better than I was able to capture. Please also bear in mind that the creative power of the imagination on the higher dimensional levels can easily turn these "fakes" into reality and as such the images can indeed serve as a blueprint in the creation of a higher dimensional reality.
So I would like to encourage anybody who considers my work attractive enough, to use your favorite image as a wallpaper on your monitor and let me know, next time you astrally project, whether you have been able visit the place. This would confirm that the process works in reverse. :wink:
Good luck, Jurgen
hell yes, I just put 27 as mine!
Quote from: MDM on December 31, 2010, 10:20:39
For authenticity's sake I need to point out that my images where inspired by my out-of-body experiences and are not faithful representations of my experiences (this is mentioned in the intro to my website: http://www.magicfantasyart.com (http://www.magicfantasyart.com)
I always start off by trying to depict an environment I have encountered, but the creative process is such that it progresses along different lines during execution. For example nearly all the images in the category "Alien Worlds" were an attempt to capture one visit encountered and reported in my book on page 178 (Another universe, another world) where only image AP037w came somewhat close.
There are some which are better recorded than others in what I saw, but I felt always let down and frustrated by the fact that neither the consciousness nor the feeling of the place could ever be expressed adequately. So I tried to represent the scenes by capturing an atmosphere, using colour and design, rather than being literal and representational. Where I succeeded most in this are images HL029w, HL001w, HL012w, HL014w, HL032w on "Astral Planes" and particularly, imo, Swan Lake (minus the swans).
The top scorer in terms of representational authenticity (75%) is image HL005w (Astral Planes), from the chapter "Settlers on another Planet" (Multidimensional Man)
However, these images are only "fakes" in as much as they express my inability of a faithful representation. The reality is much better than I was able to capture. Please also bear in mind that the creative power of the imagination on the higher dimensional levels can easily turn these "fakes" into reality and as such the images can indeed serve as a blueprint in the creation of a higher dimensional reality.
So I would like to encourage anybody who considers my work attractive enough, to use your favorite image as a wallpaper on your monitor and let me know, next time you astrally project, whether you have been able visit the place. This would confirm that the process works in reverse. :wink:
Good luck, Jurgen
It would be very interesting to see images of how the astral realm is like (considering there is one). Perhaps focusing on one of these images while using a technique, for instance, can increase the likelihood of astral projection. It can be someone's goal to arrive at what's in an image.
It would also be great to see images of what the life is like on the supposed astral plane. This could be of spirits of humans, animals, or/and even what seem to be aliens to us in this physical universe. Which brings me to a question...
If there is life elsewhere in the Universe besides the humans on earth, wouldn't they end up in the same astral plane as us? Maybe certain ones of those partake in astral projection...
Quote from: View578 on January 02, 2011, 11:22:19
If there is life elsewhere in the Universe besides the humans on earth, wouldn't they end up in the same astral plane as us? Maybe certain ones of those partake in astral projection...
Let's say you are on a physical planet circling a sun in a different galaxy somewhere else in space then this planet would have an astral counterpart, the same as earth, although the odds would be slim that you would bump into those inhabitants, but not impossible. There is more abundance within the higher dimensions than manifests on the physical. We may also have to get used to the idea that our physical universe is not the only one as hypothesized by some cosmologists. I drafted my own model of our multidimensional universe here:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html) which is up for discussion.
We also must not forget that we are dealing with states of consciousness too when contemplating the whole issue of the "Astral Planes".
Quote from: MDM on January 02, 2011, 12:28:14
Let's say you are on a physical planet circling a sun in a different galaxy somewhere else in space then this planet would have an astral counterpart, the same as earth, although the odds would be slim that you would bump into those inhabitants, but not impossible. There is more abundance within the higher dimensions than manifests on the physical. We may also have to get used to the idea that our physical universe is not the only one as hypothesized by some cosmologists. I drafted my own model of our multidimensional universe here:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html) which is up for discussion.
We also must not forget that we are dealing with states of consciousness too when contemplating the whole issue of the "Astral Planes".
I wonder what the inhabitants would be like on these other planets. Do you have any claims about them?
Just to let you know I addressed a few questions on my website under FAQ.
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/FAQ_about_out_of_body_experiences_and_life_after_death.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/FAQ_about_out_of_body_experiences_and_life_after_death.html)
Quote from: Fresco on December 21, 2010, 12:41:58
Any idea when the author plans to update his site with the higher dimensions??
I am working on it, Fresco, but need to do more research.
Thanks, Jurgen
Quote from: MDM on January 03, 2011, 18:16:56
Just to let you know I addressed a few questions on my website under FAQ.
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/FAQ_about_out_of_body_experiences_and_life_after_death.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/FAQ_about_out_of_body_experiences_and_life_after_death.html)
I am working on it, Fresco, but need to do more research.
Thanks, Jurgen
OK, but please post it on this forum when you've updated it.
I'm very interested
Quote from: Fresco on January 03, 2011, 18:28:09
OK, but please post it on this forum when you've updated it.
I have added a description of the higher dimensions or the higher Astral levels, which includes some exerts from my book and journals for illustration purposes. This deals with the characteristics, the environment, inhabitants, alien worlds and akashic records.
I hope it inspires you to visit.
Quote from: MDM on January 07, 2011, 13:00:12
I have added a description of the higher dimensions or the higher Astral levels, which includes some exerts from my book and journals for illustration purposes. This deals with the characteristics, the environment, inhabitants, alien worlds and akashic records.
I hope it inspires you to visit
I'm already inspired. Keep em coming, please Jurgen
BTW you wrote:
QuoteWhat is it like to be "dead"? - The Higher Dimensions - could this be heaven ?
Just FYI and IMO, the higher dimensions go on indefinitely. IOW they go on and on and on and on.
The higher you go, the more beautiful it gets. Except there's no end to it.
This perfectly coincides with the Biblical theory of "eternal life".
If there was an end point, then life wouldnt really be eternal now would it??!!
QuoteIf there was an end point, then life wouldnt really be eternal now would it??!!
Just to throw an idea into the conversation, an end point might just be for 'being' (manifest existence). It's possible that manifest existence has an end point, but life itself does not, being eternal.
ps. I'm not sure of all the biblical ideas of immortality vs. eternity, but my understanding of many bible-based religions is that many of them believe in immortality, not eternity.
I personally prefer eternity to immortality. It's more stable.
Quote from: Fresco on January 07, 2011, 17:06:45
BTW you wrote:
Just FYI and IMO, the higher dimensions go on indefinitely. IOW they go on and on and on and on.
The higher you go, the more beautiful it gets. Except there's no end to it.
This perfectly coincides with the Biblical theory of "eternal life".
If there was an end point, then life wouldnt really be eternal now would it??!!
They do indeed go on, at least much further than we can know and beyond religious belief, philosophical concepts, scientific understanding or human ideas.
Quote from: MDM on December 28, 2010, 07:29:43
Once suicidal people realize that the disposal of their physical body will have no effect on their state of mind after death, they will feel much less inclined to kill themselves. Especially if they realize that their state of mind will have attracted them to an appropriate environment, which is equally gloomy and will still demand them working though the problem which prompted them to end their life in the first place.
This should serve to discourage any would-be suicide. I have personally met a suicide bomber who, after killing himself and many innocent others, found his envisaged "heaven" in direct opposition to his expectation and could serve as a powerful deterrent to anybody planning to end their own life or the lives of others.
Hmm, there's a major karmic difference between someone who suicides to end their own suffering and someone who murder/suicides to achieve a desired afterlife. Also if what you say is true, then the suicidal person will not feel "much less inclined to kill themselves" but feel more trapped, hopeless, and prepared for whatever hell they will experience in the here after. Especially if the quote below is also taken as truth...
Quote from: MDM on December 28, 2010, 15:44:25
Thanks you Alan, this is what I found on more than one occasion. The state of mind is paramount. I found that two of my close relatives, one of them my mother (documented in my book), who found themselves in very poor afterlife conditions, due to depression they suffered. This may sound cruel, because they were both of very good character, but this is just the way life is and the afterlife is no different.
So a depressed person can either kill themselves and end up in a dirty situation... or they can wait it out to spare their family pain, die naturally, and end up in a dirty situation? That doesn't sound right at all. I'm sure mental health (ex. depression) and how death occurs (ex. suicide) are factors in determining where one ends up, but to say that they are the only factors is pretty bold.
As for the way life is... you don't put on your best threads and just expect to get the hot girl at the club. You don't buy a "Get Rich Quick" book and just expect to be a millionaire by next year. These things help, they're factors, but many other things weigh in, ya know? The "do this and get that" mentality exists but applying it to this life doesn't. So how does it apply to the afterlife if not the here and now?
BTW, love your multiverse model and your artwork... will try to project to the astral plane depicted in HL001w within the coming weeks.
Quote from: MDM on January 07, 2011, 18:35:26
They do indeed go on, at least much further than we can know and beyond religious belief, philosophical concepts, scientific understanding or human ideas.
And if I understand it correctly, the depths of lower astral planes also go on and on.
IOW there's no end bottom, it just keeps going lower.
Pretty scary concept...LOL :-P
Quote from: Fresco on January 08, 2011, 14:20:15
And if I understand it correctly, the depths of lower astral planes also go on and on.
IOW there's no end bottom, it just keeps going lower.
Pretty scary concept...LOL :-P
It goes as low as the lowest common denominator of human equivalent.
Quote from: Astral316 on January 08, 2011, 12:02:28
Hmm, there's a major karmic difference between someone who suicides to end their own suffering and someone who murder/suicides to achieve a desired afterlife. Also if what you say is true, then the suicidal person will not feel "much less inclined to kill themselves" but feel more trapped, hopeless, and prepared for whatever hell they will experience in the here after. Especially if the quote below is also taken as truth...
So a depressed person can either kill themselves and end up in a dirty situation... or they can wait it out to spare their family pain, die naturally, and end up in a dirty situation? That doesn't sound right at all. I'm sure mental health (ex. depression) and how death occurs (ex. suicide) are factors in determining where one ends up, but to say that they are the only factors is pretty bold.
Whether in this life or hereafter the suicide will need to deal with his problems and perhaps get help (on either level). The added problem with ending the life is the anguish left behind by those close to him/her. This is often experienced as an additional burden. The environment one finds oneself in is only a reflection of ones state of mind. It can be more or less intense, it depends. There is no moral judgment involved, just the way psychology pans out. Someone who inflicted additional suffering, or Karma as you put it, will have to take the energies he/she unleashed into account as well.
If people suffered from endogenous depression and killed themselves then their state of mind may be different after shedding their bodies and they may experience their situation differently or they may not. Who knows. It all depends on many individual factors. There are no rigid rules.
Quote from: Astral316 on January 08, 2011, 12:02:28
As for the way life is... you don't put on your best threads and just expect to get the hot girl at the club. You don't buy a "Get Rich Quick" book and just expect to be a millionaire by next year. These things help, they're factors, but many other things weigh in, ya know? The "do this and get that" mentality exists but applying it to this life doesn't. So how does it apply to the afterlife if not the here and now?
Quite right. Reality rules. Lots of factors combine to create a certain outcome, no different over there. You may desire wine, but you may only end up with grape juice.
Quote from: Xanth on January 08, 2011, 14:54:37
It goes as low as the lowest common denominator of human equivalent
THAT low, eh??!! :lol:
Quote from: MDM on January 08, 2011, 15:20:47
Whether in this life or hereafter the suicide will need to deal with his problems and perhaps get help (on either level). The added problem with ending the life is the anguish left behind by those close to him/her. This is often experienced as an additional burden. The environment one finds oneself in is only a reflection of ones state of mind. It can be more or less intense, it depends. There is no moral judgment involved, just the way psychology pans out. Someone who inflicted additional suffering, or Karma as you put it, will have to take the energies he/she unleashed into account as well.
If people suffered from endogenous depression and killed themselves then their state of mind may be different after shedding their bodies and they may experience their situation differently or they may not. Who knows. It all depends on many individual factors. There are no rigid rules.
Quite right. Reality rules. Lots of factors combine to create a certain outcome, no different over there. You may desire wine, but you may only end up with grape juice.
Thanks for the clarification. It's no big deal really, just that I have a history of depression so ideas like that can hit close to home. I like to think there is some kind of rehabilitative component to the afterlife, and that you can spiritually progress even if not in a "dense world" like the physical. But I digress...
Quote from: Astral316 on January 09, 2011, 03:16:56
Thanks for the clarification. It's no big deal really, just that I have a history of depression so ideas like that can hit close to home. I like to think there is some kind of rehabilitative component to the afterlife, and that you can spiritually progress even if not in a "dense world" like the physical. But I digress...
I know the feeling, I've been there myself, it's an important part of the growth process. People who have experienced depression often develop a strong sense of compassion.
Quote from: MDM on January 09, 2011, 05:18:42
I know the feeling, I've been there myself, it's an important part of the growth process. People who have experienced depression often develop a strong sense of compassion
And thats
one of the reasons there's so much suffering in the world. People that go through hardships themselves learn not be so judgemental of others who are going through the same (or a similar) suffering.
There's other reason for suffering, but that is one of them
Quote from: Fresco on January 09, 2011, 10:27:47
People that go through hardships themselves learn not be so judgemental of others who are going through the same (or a similar) suffering.
Yes, very often some of the best counsellors and therapists have also experienced great hardships, even mental illness. Some staff in drug clinics have been drug addicts themselves. Some helpers on the next level are no strangers to suffering. You never know where the poor souls, who seem to be rotting on the lowest levels, will be one day. We are all in it together, life that is.
Quote from: MDM on January 09, 2011, 19:07:46
Yes, very often some of the best counsellors and therapists have also experienced great hardships, even mental illness. Some staff in drug clinics have been drug addicts themselves. Some helpers on the next level are no strangers to suffering. You never know where the poor souls, who seem to be rotting on the lowest levels, will be one day. We are all in it together, life that is.
Yup, agreed.
Hey MDM, a question for you. If I'm dreaming and a bunch of people show up in my dream does that mean those people are the real astral version of them, or are they just entities I created in my own mind??
IOW I'm dreaming at 3AM and so are those people, and we just happen to meet up on some astral plane
Quote from: Fresco on January 09, 2011, 21:53:46
Hey MDM, a question for you. If I'm dreaming and a bunch of people show up in my dream does that mean those people are the real astral version of them, or are they just entities I created in my own mind??
IOW I'm dreaming at 3AM and so are those people, and we just happen to meet up on some astral plane
Fresco, we may have to open this up for a wider discussion involving other forum members. My answer to this is, I don't know. It could be the astral bodies of the people, but it could also be your projection. I have in the past met my wife when OOB early in the morning when I knew for sure she was up and about and not dreaming (The astral body tends to cling to the physical body when a person is awake). Though in this case I found on closer inspection that she was somewhat phantom like, a little bit remote or what I call an artificial entity, a projection or thought form. This is often the case when people dream of, or even astrally meet famous film stars or super models (I am sorry to say :-D). They are rarely the real thing (unless you are married to them perhaps). In your case it could be the real thing. If they dreamed also meeting you at 3am in their dream than it is more likely to be real.
There are various other theories to explain this, but I don't know.
^^^ Okay, thats a decent enough explanation
Really nice 3d art you got there MDM.
I don't always enter my OBEs into my diaries unless they offer new information. This was one of them and it demonstrates how placid and adaptable the energy on the next dimensions actually is and how easily it can actually transform a person's shape. This was an OBE that lasted for nearly two hours. Have a look at my latest entry on my website and let us know whether you had similar observations:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Shape_Shifters.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Shape_Shifters.html)
Quote from: MDM on January 17, 2011, 13:51:28
I don't always enter my OBEs into my diaries unless they offer new information. This was one of them and it demonstrates how placid and adaptable the energy on the next dimensions actually is and how easily it can actually transform a person's shape. This was an OBE that lasted for nearly two hours. Have a look at my latest entry on my website and let us know whether you had similar observations:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Shape_Shifters.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Shape_Shifters.html)
I just read it. Its definitely weird, especially for me since I only had 2 OBE's so far and neither we're more than a few feet above my body.
So really I have no clue what most people on these forums are talking about.
Another question for you MDM, have you ever been able to figure out what the meaning of Life is??
I believe we're here for a learning purpose and also to be tested. But the main reason for existence to me is a mystery
The meaning of Life
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Entertainment !. Once you have lived your life and the life after that and the life after that.. until you have lived all of your lives and are a most high angel what will you do? at the end of the end of the end?.
You may choose to start again to reincarnate at the lowest level and do it all over again. Its not a question of faith its more a concept of infinity, if life goes on forever and has always been forever, then not only have you lived your own life before but you have also been your mother and your father and your brother and your dog and a tree and a being from another dimension over and over again for eternity, its not a question of being here to learn because you used to know it anyway. Everybody loves a good movie with action romance hero's monsters etc. because its entertaining and that's all life is, a way to entertain the masses
Quote from: NoY on January 17, 2011, 15:50:19
The meaning of Life
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Entertainment !. Once you have lived your life and the life after that and the life after that.. until you have lived all of your lives and are a most high angel what will you do? at the end of the end of the end?.
You may choose to start again to reincarnate at the lowest level and do it all over again. Its not a question of faith its more a concept of infinity, if life goes on forever and has always been forever, then not only have you lived your own life before but you have also been your mother and your father and your brother and your dog and a tree and a being from another dimension over and over again for eternity, its not a question of being here to learn because you used to know it anyway. Everybody loves a good movie with action romance hero's monsters etc. because its entertaining and that's all life is, a way to entertain the masses
That's a funny analogy... "entertaining the masses" :-D
Now I'm not telling it's not accurate or otherwise it's just funny from a human perspective (at least mine). :-)
Quote from: Fresco on January 17, 2011, 15:26:40
Another question for you MDM, have you ever been able to figure out what the meaning of Life is??
I believe we're here for a learning purpose and also to be tested. But the main reason for existence to me is a mystery
Well I can't say anything that hasn't been said in another words but here goes an analogy I just thought about.. When you go through something really 'bad', 'negative' on life and you survive it, hold your ground and later come to find stability, good values, joy and love... How do you feel when you think that you just went through it all and didn't loose yourself or even more you became a better person?
I would suppose you feel secure, strong, capable and that you know that if any time another storm comes you'll not give up, you'll remain calm, centered, balanced and just deal with it.
Now as pure souls.. without your experience and strength if something perhaps even smaller comes your way.. it would probably be more painful and could consume you much more easily that the things that happen in this plane of existence. This is elementary school. Nothing that happens here has the potential to hurt you more than the things that could do so in the more 'vast' and unlimited dimensions. So guess what? You're learning because you think you're suffering the greatest pain ever as you don't remember who you are and you're still maintaining your integrity in the bigger picture!
There's always the potential for good and bad and we must deal with it so we better learn in a easier way. :)
And of course I also believe that we are here to have a unique experience too, because for us consciousness's of a much higher level this is of course very unique.
I'll also leave Thomas Campbell analogy here as I deeply trust him and resonate with what he shares. There's only three ways to go about existence. You evolve, you stabilize or you devolve. Stabilizing is impossible because change is a constant and that is a fact, every thing changes one time or another, slower or faster. So.. either you evolve and keep evolving, or you devolve and keep devolving until the point where eventually there's nothing left but ego, negativity and you just die. Because you can't sustain your self, you can't create you just self destroy (this last part is my personal conclusion).
I know the question wasn't for me but I just couldn't resist.. such an interesting and complex topic!
Hope this helps. :wink:
Quote from: Fresco on January 17, 2011, 15:26:40
Another question for you MDM, have you ever been able to figure out what the meaning of Life is??
I believe we're here for a learning purpose and also to be tested. But the main reason for existence to me is a mystery
The beauty of your ultimate question is that you'll have to find the answer yourself and when you do, you'll probably won't know how to put it into words.
Along the way we "entertain" ourselves (and learn) by assembling the pieces of an infinite jigsaw puzzle.
Quote from: MDM on January 17, 2011, 18:01:05
The beauty of your ultimate question is that you'll have to find the answer yourself and when you do, you'll probably won't know how to put it into words
Thats probably true.
Care to even begin to put it into words??!
Quote from: Fresco on January 17, 2011, 21:17:05
Thats probably true.
Care to even begin to put it into words??!
Have you noticed my silence Fresco?
That's not because I don't know how to put it into words, but because I don't know the answer. :-)
Quote from: MDM on January 18, 2011, 14:36:56
Have you noticed my silence Fresco?
That's not because I don't know how to put it into words, but because I don't know the answer. :-)
I find your website and posts highly interesting, so please dont take this the wrong way.
But if you dont know the answer than how do you know the meaning of life is too amazing to be put into words??
Quote from: Fresco on January 18, 2011, 16:34:00
I find your website and posts highly interesting, so please dont take this the wrong way.
But if you dont know the answer than how do you know the meaning of life is too amazing to be put into words??
Hi Fresco, are you trying to trick me :-D? There are a lot of things we may experience in the physical reality as well which are hard to put into words, that's why we have poets, musicians and mathematicians.
I was trying to describe it in one of my videos and my book (and I wished I hadn't), but most people who have similar peak experiences will probably agree that there is always something that will have to remain unsaid, simply because it embraces another dimension which is out of the jurisdiction of our three-dimensional brain.
Some people speak quite casually of linking up with their "Higher Self" (or HS for short) as if they are just popping in to see their grand dad or they say they are tuning into the "White Light" as if they are just turning on the desk lamp in their study. I have never experienced anything like that. What I did experience never seemed to come from "myself" or even had anything to do with "me". It was more as if I had been "let in", not because I wanted to be let in, but because it was decided upon by something beyond me. In the process of which everything I considered to be myself was left behind. So there was never a "me" that "saw" this whatever it was. And that "whatever" was so slippery that it refused to be put into the confines of my human understanding.
All anybody can do who has ever had such an encounter with this "whatever" or a similar "peak experience" is to come up with some interpretation of what they experienced. Unfortunately this is often how religions are formed and gurus are created and suddenly we are on the road to arguing about words, conflict, cults, religious authorities, gurus, bigotry and eventually we blow ourselves and others up.
So I'm afraid you'll have to experience it yourself or better allow the experience to happen and then hopefully shut up about it - or not - like me :-).
Greetings MDM. I thoroughly enjoyed looking over the material on your web site. Very enlightening!
I have a question for you if you don't mind. The question is, does Astral travel have any religious connotations associated with it? I'm reading a book where the author is claiming that our mission is to return to God (source) through numerous incarnations where we constantly strive to better our consciousness and make it worthy enough to return to the source. Have you found the same to be true in your travels?
i think god is literally the word good, i don't think you would return to good as its just a word instead i think you walk away from the chaos of the spirit where you were created if you was to return to the creator the spirit you would have to go into the deep. you are the spirits child and its your job to be good for them IE your god or you can just be another facet of them good/bad
:NoY:
Quote from: jub jub on January 19, 2011, 08:38:51
Greetings MDM. I thoroughly enjoyed looking over the material on your web site. Very enlightening!
I have a question for you if you don't mind. The question is, does Astral travel have any religious connotations associated with it? I'm reading a book where the author is claiming that our mission is to return to God (source) through numerous incarnations where we constantly strive to better our consciousness and make it worthy enough to return to the source. Have you found the same to be true in your travels?
Thank you Jub. I am not very good with religion, but with regard to your question, I broadly agree that we are in some sort of feedback loop which will ultimately widen our experience and expand our consciousness until we realize what we are made of. I have had my own past life experiences and I consider reincarnation to be a fact.
Though I am sure that your meditation on the subject to find inspiration and an answer to this question will probably be more rewarding than my opinion.
Quote from: jub jub on January 19, 2011, 08:38:51
Greetings MDM. I thoroughly enjoyed looking over the material on your web site. Very enlightening!
I have a question for you if you don't mind. The question is, does Astral travel have any religious connotations associated with it? I'm reading a book where the author is claiming that our mission is to return to God (source) through numerous incarnations where we constantly strive to better our consciousness and make it worthy enough to return to the source. Have you found the same to be true in your travels?
I believe thats one of the reasons why we were created. Some people call it the "Ascension Process".
Really what you're doing is ascending back to God.
MDM, do you believe in the Ascension Process??
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Good question
Quote from: Lexy on January 20, 2011, 14:01:08
How can you ascend to something you already are? Everything else is illusion.
I guess it's the 12 step process back to the source. As we progress back, we collect data for the further evolution of the source. Even God evolves. It's the nature of how things are. You either evolve or die.
Quote from: Lexy on January 20, 2011, 14:01:08
How can you ascend to something you already are?
Already are what?? :?
Quote from: Fresco on January 20, 2011, 14:25:52
Already are what?? :?
He's saying that we are God. So why would we want to ascend to be with ourselves.
Quote from: jub jub on January 20, 2011, 14:23:43
I guess it's the 12 step process back to the source. As we progress back, we collect data for the further evolution of the source. Even God evolves. It's the nature of how things are. You either evolve or die.
I guess it depends on your perspective of God, but I would think that God is already infinite and perfect. It's us that evolves through that infiniteness. In this case, all there really is to do is realize that you already exist as source, and all separation from it is illusion. I think that's what Lexy was getting at (but correct me if I'm wrong).
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Quote from: jub jub on January 20, 2011, 14:30:17
He's saying that we are God. So why would we want to ascend to be with ourselves.
I think our potential is to become God (or Gods). Even the bible supports this.
But unless he can walk on water, can cure cancer and move mountains I'd say he's probably still just a human, wouldnt you?!
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Quote from: Lexy on January 20, 2011, 17:33:07
Jesus was just a human but he didn't think like one
OK, but what does that have to do with us?
Quote from: Fresco on January 20, 2011, 19:37:54
OK, but what does that have to do with us?
(since you brought up the bible & walking on water, I use this as an example) Jesus said we would be able to do greater things than him. We just have to realize it. It's not something we have to struggle to obtain, we already have this inside of us.
Quote from: Lexy on January 20, 2011, 20:08:35
(since you brought up the bible & walking on water, I use this as an example) Jesus said we would be able to do greater things than him. We just have to realize it. It's not something we have to struggle to obtain, we already have this inside of us
We might have it inside us, but finding it and actually walking on water are 2 completely different things
Quote from: Fresco on January 20, 2011, 20:57:28
We might have it inside us, but finding it and actually walking on water are 2 completely different things
Why can't you walk on water? Because you believe in the illusion that you are just a human being. Why do you believe you are only human? because that is what you experience. Why do you have to have this human experience? Because you to chose to have it. Why would you choose to have this experience? to experience consciousness slowed down in matter; to evolve consciousness. What's the big deal about walking on water? I don't know, there are videos on youtube showing how, you just need some plexiglass.
Quote from: Lexy on January 20, 2011, 22:11:17
Why can't you walk on water? Because you believe in the illusion that you are just a human being
Yeah that must be it then. I'll just undo that illusion and start walking on water.
Thanks for the tip btw
Quote from: Fresco on January 20, 2011, 23:26:40
Yeah that must be it then. I'll just undo that illusion and start walking on water.
You can't undo the illusion. You have to undo your perception to realize the illusion.
Quote from: Stookie on January 21, 2011, 11:33:28
You can't undo the illusion. You have to undo your perception to realize the illusion.
I wasnt being serious Stook, poor attempt at humor I guess.
I really dont know what you guys are talking aboot, and until I project more I will continue to not understand
Wow the stuff he had to say about the afterlife was really interesting. So that's where a lot of people are gonna go. Really intriguing to know! It's good to know also that there's always chances for spiritual development and that no one can really be trapped forever by their problems
This page of this thread made me so proud.... it's bringing back my faith in humanity.
Just to let you know, if you are curious that is, there is now a three-part video of my latest talk about our multidimensional universe, OBEs and Life after death:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Testimony_of_life_after_death_videos.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Testimony_of_life_after_death_videos.html)
MDM, when are you gonna update The Super Dimensions on your website??!
I'm yearning with much anticipation :-)
Quote from: Fresco on February 12, 2011, 20:48:11
MDM, when are you gonna update The Super Dimensions on your website??!
I'm yearning with much anticipation :-)
Finally, after an eventful five months, I finally managed to dig deeper into consciousness and I hope this will widen the discussion. Would be great to hear from people who went into similar territories. Here is the link to my reports (2 pages), appropriately illustrated, I thought, by the Slovenian artist Damir: http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Higher_Mental_Planes_or_Heaven_Worlds.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Higher_Mental_Planes_or_Heaven_Worlds.html)
I hope you'll enjoy it.
Thanks MDM!!!!!! :-)
MDM...
That's brilliant! :-o
I particularly liked this part:
"Any Out-of-Body traveler who managed to look at his physical body from six inches away (without the use of a mirror), perhaps noticing his receding hairline at the top of his head, will find it impossible to be convinced by skeptics that this is all a result of misalignment caused by some chemical action within his brain. Naturally in the same way the traveller will equally accept his Out-of-Body journeys into our multidimensional universe to be just as valid and real, just as independent from the brain, no matter how strange they may appear.
But what if we take this to another level, into the regions of thoughts, can these too be regarded as experiences beyond our physical brain, independent of the chemical processes involved, the serotonins, the body's DMT?
Currently there is no proof, but there is experience. In the end it is not the media which will bring the truth, but our own individual experience and how we interpret it."Also, previously you said:
Quote from: MDM on December 21, 2010, 12:16:11
Thanks everybody for your feedback. (MDM, by the way, stands for Multidimensional Man not MDMA :-D)
The whole subject regarding dreams and hallucination is a complex one. The way I see it is that, if I am out-of-the-body and have full waking consciousness, then this would not be a hallucination or a dream. Though of course, this is a subjective experience. You can dream without having an astral projection though. Then there can be dream or fantasy overlays or projections during an OBE. I arrived at this conclusion when I transitioned from a dream into a lucid dream and found that the dream content disintegrated when I became fully lucid, but the environment where the dream took place did not change much, if at all.
This is worthy of further investigation. I once had an OBE where I was walking through a cartoon town with cartoon characters and I thought to myself, 'this is definitely not right, this must be a dream', until I bumped into two guys, who where cartoonists, who had created the whole scenario in 3d with animated 3d cartoon characters. There was even a 90" cartoon TV set in one of the cartoon shops which played, you guessed it: cartoons. So although it appeared to be a dream it was actually consensus reality for everyone to witness, who happened to stumble past.
The whole subject of dream content, projections etc will be explored in more depth in another chapter on my website. But I am always open to the observations by others.
BINGO! I agree! I noticed this too when I first started. In fact, once lucid, the environment tends to settle down - it is not so vague, volatile or active - almost as if we stop 'hallucinating' within the dreamworld. It's interesting to note that hallucinating in the waking state can give us a distorted perception of the real world, but, once this wears out, the world resumes its appearance as the overlays, or extensions of reality that are unseen by others, disappear.
By the way, the consensus reality idea is quite valid! 8-)
OBEs without OBEs? - Further Explorations of our multidimensional universe using a direct projection method for entering higher states of consciousness and Super Dimensions.
It's been a while, but I thought I'd just inform the group of a new section to the "Super Dimensional" part of my website for discussion. These don't involve traditional OBE methods (sleep paralysis, waking awareness, projection and recall). Its more a question of deep meditation, making use of the Jungean archetypes and, unfortunately, relying to a degree on good luck. This new development made me almost lose interest in Astral projection. This is a powerful state of consciousness which results in a rich harvest of new information and, quite literally, out-of-this-world experiences.
Eventually we will all have to look beyond the Astral levels. The time is right to storm ahead. We are just putting to rest that E=mc2. Scientists have to concede that the existence of higher dimensions are now an inevitability. We have been saying this for years. This should encourage us to storm further ahead, share our findings and inspire each other (and still be critical).
Here is my new section: http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Super_dimensions-consensus_environments.html (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Super_dimensions-consensus_environments.html)
Thanks to all who have been following this thread and posted your comments, Jurgen
PS. I also gave a talk on this subject, but it was before the above new event which can be viewed here if anybody is interested:
http://www.vimeo.com/26993275 (http://www.vimeo.com/26993275)
Thanks all!
BUMP..so I can find this easily when I want to.. :-D
Probably don't post here anymore but I have experienced so much of what is on your website, esp. in regard to 'Presence' and that state of being...It was great to read that. I didn't know anyone could put that into words just so. Thank you.
MDM hasn't stopped by here in a few years, but I'll let him know there's a post here for him. :)